Mother hits out at council bus policy that leaves her daughter facing a three mile walk to school

SCHOOL ROUTE: A graphic showing the route Abigail Robinson would have to take if she walked to school

SCHOOL ROUTE: A graphic showing the route Abigail Robinson would have to take if she walked to school

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THE mother of an 11-year-old girl has attacked a council policy which means her daughter faces a walk of almost six miles to school and back each day.

Linda Robinson said Darlington Borough Council was prioritising the safety of some children over others after her daughter was turned down for a place on its school bus because her family did not meet eligibility criteria.

Schoolgirl Abigail will start her first year at Carmel College next month and had hoped to secure a place on the school bus, as her older siblings did.

But a change in the council’s policy means the free bus is now open only to children who live more than three miles from school and who receive free school meals or maximum family tax credits.

Abigail, who lives in High Grange, in Faverdale, does not meet those criteria, meaning she is expected to make her own way to school 2.8 miles away.

Darlington Borough Council said the decisions about bus provision were made in line with national policy.

The council also offers a limited number of paid bus places, which the Robinsons applied for, but were told there were no spaces for Abigail.

Mrs Robinson said the policy compromised her daughter’s safety and asked why some 11-year-olds were deemed fine to walk long distances to school while others from the same estate were provided with a bus.

She said: “We are a Catholic family so we want Abigail to go to Carmel. We applied for the bus and were willing to pay, but we were told that she wasn’t eligible and there was no space for her.

“I’ve no problem with the fact that some children get a place on the bus because their families need a bit of extra help, but if the council is going to provide buses for some children, they should be providing them for everyone.

“The thought of Abigail walking all that way to school, crossing the busy junctions in Cockerton in winter frightens me.”

Mrs Robinson said Abigail will be dropped off and picked up at school, at least until she is older.

A spokeswoman for Darlington Borough Council said: “Regrettably, we are not able to offer free transport to Abigail as her circumstances do not meet the criteria outlined in the national guideline policy.

“Unfortunately, at this moment in time, there is not a paid seat available for Abigail from September 2014. If this changes then the situation will be reviewed.”

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9:11am Tue 5 Aug 14

RealLivin says...

While 3 mile is nothing to walk to school and many of us older ones walked much further, in this day and age will the council be liable when perverts start targeting kids walking to school on their own where they used to be in large group at bus stops. All the parents I know whose kids are going up in September are having to pay for the bus £100 per child per term which is about £1 per day, if parents are paying then I think the council need to make sure enough seats are available, childrens safety first, but then again if Carmel want pupils from all the Darlington catholic schools they should be stumping up some funds as well it after all the Catholic church is one of the richest organisations in the world, they should be helping out not letting themselves live in luxury while some child has to negotiate cold, wet weather in the dark winter months with perverts every where.
While 3 mile is nothing to walk to school and many of us older ones walked much further, in this day and age will the council be liable when perverts start targeting kids walking to school on their own where they used to be in large group at bus stops. All the parents I know whose kids are going up in September are having to pay for the bus £100 per child per term which is about £1 per day, if parents are paying then I think the council need to make sure enough seats are available, childrens safety first, but then again if Carmel want pupils from all the Darlington catholic schools they should be stumping up some funds as well it after all the Catholic church is one of the richest organisations in the world, they should be helping out not letting themselves live in luxury while some child has to negotiate cold, wet weather in the dark winter months with perverts every where. RealLivin
  • Score: 54

9:28am Tue 5 Aug 14

cupid stunt says...

if she had been a refugee then a seat would have been available
if she had been a refugee then a seat would have been available cupid stunt
  • Score: -14

9:56am Tue 5 Aug 14

Homshaw1 says...

There has to be distance limit of some sort. However a lot of people need to work and I would be worried about an 11 year old making that journey.

What I have a real problem with is a free bus being laid on for students whose parents are on benefits and the children of hard working people being put to the bottom of the queue and left to fend for themselves.

Does it pay to work?
There has to be distance limit of some sort. However a lot of people need to work and I would be worried about an 11 year old making that journey. What I have a real problem with is a free bus being laid on for students whose parents are on benefits and the children of hard working people being put to the bottom of the queue and left to fend for themselves. Does it pay to work? Homshaw1
  • Score: 70

10:17am Tue 5 Aug 14

belladarlo says...

The council seem to forget the kids are carrying heavy books, p.e kits, cookery etc.....even most hardworking families cannot afford £7+ per week per child if they are lucky enough to get a place...it's going to be a real struggle if my 2 do not get a free place.
The council seem to forget the kids are carrying heavy books, p.e kits, cookery etc.....even most hardworking families cannot afford £7+ per week per child if they are lucky enough to get a place...it's going to be a real struggle if my 2 do not get a free place. belladarlo
  • Score: 11

10:45am Tue 5 Aug 14

don king says...

I'm only 164 metres short of the catchment and I still cannot get a free bus pass for my daughter! And she has 4.2 miles to walk!!!!
I'm only 164 metres short of the catchment and I still cannot get a free bus pass for my daughter! And she has 4.2 miles to walk!!!! don king
  • Score: 24

11:28am Tue 5 Aug 14

behonest says...

Darlington Labour Council has reduced resources, and so they have to hit local people with the highest possible council tax increase. Every year, of course.

The Labour Councils budgets, and the services the council provides, have obviously reduced considerably in recent years (if you believe what they say). Therefore, the range of responsibilities of the Chief Executive and other executives must have also reduced considerably.

However, despite this reduction, the Labour council wants to maintain the unbelievably high salaries of the Chief Executive, etc, that local people have to pay for. So the Labour Council has to reduce spending on other things, like our bus services, and they will make our 11 year-old kids walk 6 miles a day to get to school.

Let's just accept the priorities of our Labour council, and keeping voting Labour. As ever.
Darlington Labour Council has reduced resources, and so they have to hit local people with the highest possible council tax increase. Every year, of course. The Labour Councils budgets, and the services the council provides, have obviously reduced considerably in recent years (if you believe what they say). Therefore, the range of responsibilities of the Chief Executive and other executives must have also reduced considerably. However, despite this reduction, the Labour council wants to maintain the unbelievably high salaries of the Chief Executive, etc, that local people have to pay for. So the Labour Council has to reduce spending on other things, like our bus services, and they will make our 11 year-old kids walk 6 miles a day to get to school. Let's just accept the priorities of our Labour council, and keeping voting Labour. As ever. behonest
  • Score: 16

12:20pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Homshaw1 says...

Front Line services in Darlington are really very poor. This is a big problem for the parents and dangerous for the children
Front Line services in Darlington are really very poor. This is a big problem for the parents and dangerous for the children Homshaw1
  • Score: 15

1:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

DP20 says...

I think the school should stump up some cash, and it doesn't what you say to DBC they don't listen to you because they have us over a barrel, god forbid anything happened to any child who has to walk to school I can see Puffin Billys comment "unfortunate however we have a policy blah blah blah" all a loaf of tosh and hot air, they have no concern for our children or the residents as long as they keep lining their pockets and enjoying their useless pet projects on the eve lasting gravy train, so glad u moved away our services are so much better and we see our council workers daily, hey but that's good old DBC increase council tax and reduce your services
I think the school should stump up some cash, and it doesn't what you say to DBC they don't listen to you because they have us over a barrel, god forbid anything happened to any child who has to walk to school I can see Puffin Billys comment "unfortunate however we have a policy blah blah blah" all a loaf of tosh and hot air, they have no concern for our children or the residents as long as they keep lining their pockets and enjoying their useless pet projects on the eve lasting gravy train, so glad u moved away our services are so much better and we see our council workers daily, hey but that's good old DBC increase council tax and reduce your services DP20
  • Score: -1

1:22pm Tue 5 Aug 14

BMD says...

It seems every Darlington taxi arrives at the Education Village (Haughton School) on a school morning.

But the Labour council only provide this service if the parents cant get out of bed or if they have to sign-on.
It seems every Darlington taxi arrives at the Education Village (Haughton School) on a school morning. But the Labour council only provide this service if the parents cant get out of bed or if they have to sign-on. BMD
  • Score: 18

1:36pm Tue 5 Aug 14

AMB_Gkar says...

So you picked a school, not your local one and now you want the local taxpayer to pick up the tab? I walked to my infant/junior/second
ay school. Perhaps the RC Church should pick up the tab, have a word with them.
So you picked a school, not your local one and now you want the local taxpayer to pick up the tab? I walked to my infant/junior/second ay school. Perhaps the RC Church should pick up the tab, have a word with them. AMB_Gkar
  • Score: 54

1:39pm Tue 5 Aug 14

bones26 says...

oh stop bloody moaning you wanted your child to go to that school you knew the cicumstances beforehand .my son either walked or biked to hummersknott and back from oakfield lodge brinkburn road just about every school day for 5yrs and he didnt moan on as much as you lot are .she can get a bus to cockerton and walk from there .i know plenty of others who walk it and dont moan .will she be complaining when she is going to cockerton on lunch times to go to the shops ,i doubt it .get on with it like others do
oh stop bloody moaning you wanted your child to go to that school you knew the cicumstances beforehand .my son either walked or biked to hummersknott and back from oakfield lodge brinkburn road just about every school day for 5yrs and he didnt moan on as much as you lot are .she can get a bus to cockerton and walk from there .i know plenty of others who walk it and dont moan .will she be complaining when she is going to cockerton on lunch times to go to the shops ,i doubt it .get on with it like others do bones26
  • Score: 70

1:46pm Tue 5 Aug 14

maw.si says...

belladarlo wrote:
The council seem to forget the kids are carrying heavy books, p.e kits, cookery etc.....even most hardworking families cannot afford £7+ per week per child if they are lucky enough to get a place...it's going to be a real struggle if my 2 do not get a free place.
almost every family in uk can afford £7 a week, Do you smoke?, Drink alcohol? pay a monthly tv subscription?, . Im guessing yes to one of these, so by stopping just one you would have the extra money needed. But like a lot of "struggling" families, they want the benefits but are not prepared to make sacrifices.
[quote][p][bold]belladarlo[/bold] wrote: The council seem to forget the kids are carrying heavy books, p.e kits, cookery etc.....even most hardworking families cannot afford £7+ per week per child if they are lucky enough to get a place...it's going to be a real struggle if my 2 do not get a free place.[/p][/quote]almost every family in uk can afford £7 a week, Do you smoke?, Drink alcohol? pay a monthly tv subscription?, . Im guessing yes to one of these, so by stopping just one you would have the extra money needed. But like a lot of "struggling" families, they want the benefits but are not prepared to make sacrifices. maw.si
  • Score: 25

1:55pm Tue 5 Aug 14

maw.si says...

bones26 wrote:
oh stop bloody moaning you wanted your child to go to that school you knew the cicumstances beforehand .my son either walked or biked to hummersknott and back from oakfield lodge brinkburn road just about every school day for 5yrs and he didnt moan on as much as you lot are .she can get a bus to cockerton and walk from there .i know plenty of others who walk it and dont moan .will she be complaining when she is going to cockerton on lunch times to go to the shops ,i doubt it .get on with it like others do
Well said bones26.im surprised any kids go to school nowadays, moaning about school being to far away,most kids wont walk anywhere and a lot of parents are the same, when I was growing my parents didn't drive and we walked everywhere, we live in a soft society in 2014 and its only going to
get worse.
[quote][p][bold]bones26[/bold] wrote: oh stop bloody moaning you wanted your child to go to that school you knew the cicumstances beforehand .my son either walked or biked to hummersknott and back from oakfield lodge brinkburn road just about every school day for 5yrs and he didnt moan on as much as you lot are .she can get a bus to cockerton and walk from there .i know plenty of others who walk it and dont moan .will she be complaining when she is going to cockerton on lunch times to go to the shops ,i doubt it .get on with it like others do[/p][/quote]Well said bones26.im surprised any kids go to school nowadays, moaning about school being to far away,most kids wont walk anywhere and a lot of parents are the same, when I was growing my parents didn't drive and we walked everywhere, we live in a soft society in 2014 and its only going to get worse. maw.si
  • Score: 38

2:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

maw.si says...

DP20 wrote:
I think the school should stump up some cash, and it doesn't what you say to DBC they don't listen to you because they have us over a barrel, god forbid anything happened to any child who has to walk to school I can see Puffin Billys comment "unfortunate however we have a policy blah blah blah" all a loaf of tosh and hot air, they have no concern for our children or the residents as long as they keep lining their pockets and enjoying their useless pet projects on the eve lasting gravy train, so glad u moved away our services are so much better and we see our council workers daily, hey but that's good old DBC increase council tax and reduce your services
even though the council are useless in Darlington since when is it there responsibility to make sure children get to school, If parents are worried about there childs safety walk them to school then walk them home at end of school. And before anyone starts moaning about working and not being able to take them or pick them up from school, remember you have to qualify for the bus through free school meals or high tax credits which means either you don't work or you work part time.
[quote][p][bold]DP20[/bold] wrote: I think the school should stump up some cash, and it doesn't what you say to DBC they don't listen to you because they have us over a barrel, god forbid anything happened to any child who has to walk to school I can see Puffin Billys comment "unfortunate however we have a policy blah blah blah" all a loaf of tosh and hot air, they have no concern for our children or the residents as long as they keep lining their pockets and enjoying their useless pet projects on the eve lasting gravy train, so glad u moved away our services are so much better and we see our council workers daily, hey but that's good old DBC increase council tax and reduce your services[/p][/quote]even though the council are useless in Darlington since when is it there responsibility to make sure children get to school, If parents are worried about there childs safety walk them to school then walk them home at end of school. And before anyone starts moaning about working and not being able to take them or pick them up from school, remember you have to qualify for the bus through free school meals or high tax credits which means either you don't work or you work part time. maw.si
  • Score: 24

2:28pm Tue 5 Aug 14

harry2 says...

BMD wrote:
It seems every Darlington taxi arrives at the Education Village (Haughton School) on a school morning.

But the Labour council only provide this service if the parents cant get out of bed or if they have to sign-on.
These are probably with the kids from the special needs section.

My son and my freinds 2 daughters all went to the education village and got no help with transport
[quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: It seems every Darlington taxi arrives at the Education Village (Haughton School) on a school morning. But the Labour council only provide this service if the parents cant get out of bed or if they have to sign-on.[/p][/quote]These are probably with the kids from the special needs section. My son and my freinds 2 daughters all went to the education village and got no help with transport harry2
  • Score: 16

3:08pm Tue 5 Aug 14

sarahd says...

I am kind of in the same boat except I haven't expected the council to arrange transport for my children.

We live out in sticks, 5 miles from the nearest school. One of only 3 buses that go near (1/2 mile away) my house is at 8.30 am which is when my children have to be in school by but I chose to live here so I accepted that I would have to take them to school and collect them(cannot walk due to the isolated country roads). I love where I live but if I was in a position where I couldn't take my children then I would move closer.

I'm not having a go at this parent but why live there if you knew that is what school your child would be going to. If you cannot afford a house close by there are ones around the newlands/holmlands road area which will be around the same price as yours. You may like your house/area but if it is that important, you would do it.
I am kind of in the same boat except I haven't expected the council to arrange transport for my children. We live out in sticks, 5 miles from the nearest school. One of only 3 buses that go near (1/2 mile away) my house is at 8.30 am which is when my children have to be in school by but I chose to live here so I accepted that I would have to take them to school and collect them(cannot walk due to the isolated country roads). I love where I live but if I was in a position where I couldn't take my children then I would move closer. I'm not having a go at this parent but why live there if you knew that is what school your child would be going to. If you cannot afford a house close by there are ones around the newlands/holmlands road area which will be around the same price as yours. You may like your house/area but if it is that important, you would do it. sarahd
  • Score: 25

4:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Munchkin2503 says...

A few people seem to be missing the point here - its not about walking or not walking, paying or not paying, choosing schools closer to home etc - its about services being provided for some and not others. Its about providing services to all or non. Its about common sense - why is it deemed appropriate to provide transport to a child who lives a few doors away and not to another - why is the safety and need for one child different to that of another when circumstances are idenfical - allocation of school transoort has become a lottery.
As for the personal comments made, I would say you do not know the family and are therefore not qualified to comment in that manner.
Its acutally very plain and simple - either offer the service to all - or non at all.
A few people seem to be missing the point here - its not about walking or not walking, paying or not paying, choosing schools closer to home etc - its about services being provided for some and not others. Its about providing services to all or non. Its about common sense - why is it deemed appropriate to provide transport to a child who lives a few doors away and not to another - why is the safety and need for one child different to that of another when circumstances are idenfical - allocation of school transoort has become a lottery. As for the personal comments made, I would say you do not know the family and are therefore not qualified to comment in that manner. Its acutally very plain and simple - either offer the service to all - or non at all. Munchkin2503
  • Score: 8

4:52pm Tue 5 Aug 14

sarahd says...

I get that, munchkin, but it happens across the board-free school meals, free uniform, free trips etc for children from families with low income. Nothing we can do to change that and unfortunately we have to accept it. Its not right but that's the way it is
I get that, munchkin, but it happens across the board-free school meals, free uniform, free trips etc for children from families with low income. Nothing we can do to change that and unfortunately we have to accept it. Its not right but that's the way it is sarahd
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Tue 5 Aug 14

JJ2000 says...

Providing services to all = Complaints about who picks up the tab.
Pulling services to all = Complaints that money should be spent to provide services that no one wants to pay for.

As a taxpayer I expect my deductions to benefit the young, the old and whoever is in need in-between. There should be services available for this child and all children to get to and from school safely.
Yes I walked a similar distance back in the 80's when I went to school, but there was far less traffic on the roads then and I still managed to get knocked over and hospitalised, although it was entirely my fault.

I suppose the biggest problem is that current tax loopholes have drastically reduced the income taken from the biggest firms and everyone else has to pay their share in full and still lose out. This is then compounded with foolish trustees playing with their ego and wasting cash left right and center of pet projects that fail to deliver and then pass the loss onto the taxpayer.

When elections roll up I hope, and I mean really, really hope that people make the effort to turn up and make their voice heard.
Providing services to all = Complaints about who picks up the tab. Pulling services to all = Complaints that money should be spent to provide services that no one wants to pay for. As a taxpayer I expect my deductions to benefit the young, the old and whoever is in need in-between. There should be services available for this child and all children to get to and from school safely. Yes I walked a similar distance back in the 80's when I went to school, but there was far less traffic on the roads then and I still managed to get knocked over and hospitalised, although it was entirely my fault. I suppose the biggest problem is that current tax loopholes have drastically reduced the income taken from the biggest firms and everyone else has to pay their share in full and still lose out. This is then compounded with foolish trustees playing with their ego and wasting cash left right and center of pet projects that fail to deliver and then pass the loss onto the taxpayer. When elections roll up I hope, and I mean really, really hope that people make the effort to turn up and make their voice heard. JJ2000
  • Score: 3

6:16pm Tue 5 Aug 14

jandarlo says...

you chose this school, it wasnt forced upon you. any issues with travel to and from it then get the catholic church to subsidise the travel costs rather than the council tax payers in this town!
you chose this school, it wasnt forced upon you. any issues with travel to and from it then get the catholic church to subsidise the travel costs rather than the council tax payers in this town! jandarlo
  • Score: 25

6:27pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Voice-of-reality says...

Cycle. Perfectly reasonable route. At least she may keep fit. Failing that convert to Anglicanism.
Cycle. Perfectly reasonable route. At least she may keep fit. Failing that convert to Anglicanism. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 22

7:04pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Risk555 says...

On a similar subject it is truely staggering the amount of money our fabulous local authority DCC hemorrhage in the form of taxi fees to ensure kids (and more gallingly, the scroates of society/problem children) can get transport to schools & centres of differing sorts.
On a similar subject it is truely staggering the amount of money our fabulous local authority DCC hemorrhage in the form of taxi fees to ensure kids (and more gallingly, the scroates of society/problem children) can get transport to schools & centres of differing sorts. Risk555
  • Score: -1

8:57pm Tue 5 Aug 14

joeninety says...

What ever happened to children attending their closest school, hence within reasonable walking distance. If parents choose to send their children to a school further away then it is up to them to get them there and back. That includes all circumstances. Why should the tax payer pick up the tabs for getting them to schools across town.
Either move or make your own arrangements.
What ever happened to children attending their closest school, hence within reasonable walking distance. If parents choose to send their children to a school further away then it is up to them to get them there and back. That includes all circumstances. Why should the tax payer pick up the tabs for getting them to schools across town. Either move or make your own arrangements. joeninety
  • Score: 24

9:40pm Tue 5 Aug 14

SPEEDQUATTRO says...

Every year the same moaning. "My little girl/boy has to travel 2.8 miles"etc, etc. Sorry, but you chose the school (do you really attend Mass every week?) and you knew the rules, so hard luck, no bus. I see every day kids criss crossing the town to get to the school their parents chose, for whatever reason. Why should we pay to pamper to the whims of these people? Send the kids to the nearest school and be done with it, or pay yourself. Watch out for this time next year for this story coming round again.
Every year the same moaning. "My little girl/boy has to travel 2.8 miles"etc, etc. Sorry, but you chose the school (do you really attend Mass every week?) and you knew the rules, so hard luck, no bus. I see every day kids criss crossing the town to get to the school their parents chose, for whatever reason. Why should we pay to pamper to the whims of these people? Send the kids to the nearest school and be done with it, or pay yourself. Watch out for this time next year for this story coming round again. SPEEDQUATTRO
  • Score: 24

10:06pm Tue 5 Aug 14

spragger says...

Get a bike?
Get a bike? spragger
  • Score: 16

11:20pm Tue 5 Aug 14

asiot66 says...

3 mile isn't really a great trip and in most circumstances i would say just get on with it but for an 11 year old girl do it alone (assuming) seems harsh
3 mile isn't really a great trip and in most circumstances i would say just get on with it but for an 11 year old girl do it alone (assuming) seems harsh asiot66
  • Score: 2

12:18am Wed 6 Aug 14

MWatts says...

Christ almighty. Is the country really in that much of a state we don't trust our kids of SENIOR school age to CROSS A ROAD?
Christ almighty. Is the country really in that much of a state we don't trust our kids of SENIOR school age to CROSS A ROAD? MWatts
  • Score: 17

1:13am Wed 6 Aug 14

pandorica says...

My son has to walk there and back to Hummersknott Academy from West Auckland Road every day and its just short of the 3 miles for free transport. I understand to some extent why she is angry, in my sons case the school starts at 08.30am everyday. Although he likes the walk as he classes it as good exercise which it is when your walking 30 miles a week, what concerns me is the free bus to both Carmel and Hummersknott goes past my house there and back every day. The bus is not over subscribed as I always see plenty of spaces. I also think the free school bus from Skerne Park to Hummersknott is a kick in the teeth to other pupils who have to walk some distance everyday. Just because it is linked to the school does not mean a free bus should be provided, but it is, and its is only a short walk down Carmel Road to get to either school from there.

Yes all the older generation will say the kids have got it easy these days, but West Auckland Road is such a bust road, the girl is just 11, and these days its not the parents choice which school your children are allocated, but The Council, or church. My first choice was Carmel but we were refused because we were not Catholic. never mind the fact its the closest school in my geographical location, and in every other instance this is how they apply the requirments for a places in schools going on the nearest to school getting offered a place, that is accept if your religion does not suit the school, then they can discriminate you and offer the place to immigrants children who have just moved to this country, yet still get a place!!! Yes I went off on a tangent there, but its still the truth.

I agree with the concerns of the mother, especially when the bus goes past here every day. I mean come on its a long way in the winter mornings/nights for youngsters to be walking, especially when the snow arrives. I think some sense should be applied here, instead of those who make these decisions being pedantic.
My son has to walk there and back to Hummersknott Academy from West Auckland Road every day and its just short of the 3 miles for free transport. I understand to some extent why she is angry, in my sons case the school starts at 08.30am everyday. Although he likes the walk as he classes it as good exercise which it is when your walking 30 miles a week, what concerns me is the free bus to both Carmel and Hummersknott goes past my house there and back every day. The bus is not over subscribed as I always see plenty of spaces. I also think the free school bus from Skerne Park to Hummersknott is a kick in the teeth to other pupils who have to walk some distance everyday. Just because it is linked to the school does not mean a free bus should be provided, but it is, and its is only a short walk down Carmel Road to get to either school from there. Yes all the older generation will say the kids have got it easy these days, but West Auckland Road is such a bust road, the girl is just 11, and these days its not the parents choice which school your children are allocated, but The Council, or church. My first choice was Carmel but we were refused because we were not Catholic. never mind the fact its the closest school in my geographical location, and in every other instance this is how they apply the requirments for a places in schools going on the nearest to school getting offered a place, that is accept if your religion does not suit the school, then they can discriminate you and offer the place to immigrants children who have just moved to this country, yet still get a place!!! Yes I went off on a tangent there, but its still the truth. I agree with the concerns of the mother, especially when the bus goes past here every day. I mean come on its a long way in the winter mornings/nights for youngsters to be walking, especially when the snow arrives. I think some sense should be applied here, instead of those who make these decisions being pedantic. pandorica
  • Score: -3

1:19am Wed 6 Aug 14

pandorica says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
There has to be distance limit of some sort. However a lot of people need to work and I would be worried about an 11 year old making that journey.

What I have a real problem with is a free bus being laid on for students whose parents are on benefits and the children of hard working people being put to the bottom of the queue and left to fend for themselves.

Does it pay to work?
Just to correct you here, it makes not difference if you are on benefits or not, if you live less than the councils school transport policy, then your child will not be elegeible for transport. So please lets not bring this up again. I have worked all my life but was ill recently and on long term sick due to spending unexpected times in hospital. I was then heavily reliant on benefits during this period, and let me assure you, my son was not given all the help and everything for free. I really resent your remarks to be honest. I ended up being nursed by the people I work with nursing others. I am not a dole scrounger, but life throws things at you to test us and we are all open to this. Just makes me so angry when you jump on the we work and get nothing, and people on dole get everything, BECAUSE I DO NOT!!
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: There has to be distance limit of some sort. However a lot of people need to work and I would be worried about an 11 year old making that journey. What I have a real problem with is a free bus being laid on for students whose parents are on benefits and the children of hard working people being put to the bottom of the queue and left to fend for themselves. Does it pay to work?[/p][/quote]Just to correct you here, it makes not difference if you are on benefits or not, if you live less than the councils school transport policy, then your child will not be elegeible for transport. So please lets not bring this up again. I have worked all my life but was ill recently and on long term sick due to spending unexpected times in hospital. I was then heavily reliant on benefits during this period, and let me assure you, my son was not given all the help and everything for free. I really resent your remarks to be honest. I ended up being nursed by the people I work with nursing others. I am not a dole scrounger, but life throws things at you to test us and we are all open to this. Just makes me so angry when you jump on the we work and get nothing, and people on dole get everything, BECAUSE I DO NOT!! pandorica
  • Score: 14

1:27am Wed 6 Aug 14

pandorica says...

sarahd wrote:
I get that, munchkin, but it happens across the board-free school meals, free uniform, free trips etc for children from families with low income. Nothing we can do to change that and unfortunately we have to accept it. Its not right but that's the way it is
Hi Sarah, just to correct you, school trips are not free for those on low income and neither is the uniform. I have learnt a lot being ill this last year. Although I would never look down my nose to those worse off, people perceptions about benefit claimants are off way off the mark. I am lucky in that I know I will be back at work soon after having this last year of hell. But it sure makes you realise what a load of tosh some people talk, free trips, free uniforms, free buses lol!! I no not, I have paid for everything whilst claiming benefit, and my son walks to school!!
[quote][p][bold]sarahd[/bold] wrote: I get that, munchkin, but it happens across the board-free school meals, free uniform, free trips etc for children from families with low income. Nothing we can do to change that and unfortunately we have to accept it. Its not right but that's the way it is[/p][/quote]Hi Sarah, just to correct you, school trips are not free for those on low income and neither is the uniform. I have learnt a lot being ill this last year. Although I would never look down my nose to those worse off, people perceptions about benefit claimants are off way off the mark. I am lucky in that I know I will be back at work soon after having this last year of hell. But it sure makes you realise what a load of tosh some people talk, free trips, free uniforms, free buses lol!! I no not, I have paid for everything whilst claiming benefit, and my son walks to school!! pandorica
  • Score: 17

6:04am Wed 6 Aug 14

BMD says...

harry2 wrote:
BMD wrote: It seems every Darlington taxi arrives at the Education Village (Haughton School) on a school morning. But the Labour council only provide this service if the parents cant get out of bed or if they have to sign-on.
These are probably with the kids from the special needs section. My son and my freinds 2 daughters all went to the education village and got no help with transport
The kids with special needs arrive in a fully equipped bus with wheelchair access.

The kids that arrive in taxis are never escorted by a carers or parents and the taxi is paid for by the council. - Work that one out when you pay your council tax.
[quote][p][bold]harry2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: It seems every Darlington taxi arrives at the Education Village (Haughton School) on a school morning. But the Labour council only provide this service if the parents cant get out of bed or if they have to sign-on.[/p][/quote]These are probably with the kids from the special needs section. My son and my freinds 2 daughters all went to the education village and got no help with transport[/p][/quote]The kids with special needs arrive in a fully equipped bus with wheelchair access. The kids that arrive in taxis are never escorted by a carers or parents and the taxi is paid for by the council. - Work that one out when you pay your council tax. BMD
  • Score: 0

7:43am Wed 6 Aug 14

foss says...

"Mrs Robinson said Abigail will be dropped off and picked up at school, at least until she is older."

So what's the problem then? She's not walking after all, is she?
"Mrs Robinson said Abigail will be dropped off and picked up at school, at least until she is older." So what's the problem then? She's not walking after all, is she? foss
  • Score: 19

8:17am Wed 6 Aug 14

Equity1 says...

What do you really expect from a local authority who on the Day of a a loved Ones Funeral send a council tax bill because the situation changed due to a bereavement.Understa
nd fully this is the situation - but on the day of the funeral ! No Respect and No Compassion !
Should be ashamed but will not be.
What do you really expect from a local authority who on the Day of a a loved Ones Funeral send a council tax bill because the situation changed due to a bereavement.Understa nd fully this is the situation - but on the day of the funeral ! No Respect and No Compassion ! Should be ashamed but will not be. Equity1
  • Score: -10

9:01am Wed 6 Aug 14

Munchkin2503 says...

I expected a mixed reaction to the story and its good to see a healthy debate ...
The distance is not the point, the weather is not the point, who does and does not claim benefits is not the point, whether or not I can take her myself is not the point. If you knew the route you woild think twice about allowing any child to do this - through a wood and at one point over 8 lanes of traffic at peek times - so at just 11 years old, no I would not allow her to walk or bike it - I am a reponsible parent. On top of this just last night we were been warned in Darlington about a man in car trying to lure young children - we do not live in the society we did 20/30/40 years ago.
This is about equlity of services - there are other young people on the street who live .2 of a mile further away and have a seat. We are wiilling to pay for this.
I work full time and pay tax, my husband is a local business man and employer who all contribute to the economy - I pay my tax so everyone can have access to sercvices when they need them, just as I do - and I am willing to pay extra to see her to school and back safely, and yes of course I will make arrangements to do that myself.
The point is the school bus service has become a lottery that gambles with our childrens saferty to save a few pounds.
Of course its not the councils responsinilty to get my child to school - but by the same logic its not their responsinikty to get any child to school other than those with additional needs. Instead, they are picking and choosing based on a set of illogical guidelines. I am not looking for a solution here, but its something I feel strongly about and wanted to draw attention to.
I expected a mixed reaction to the story and its good to see a healthy debate ... The distance is not the point, the weather is not the point, who does and does not claim benefits is not the point, whether or not I can take her myself is not the point. If you knew the route you woild think twice about allowing any child to do this - through a wood and at one point over 8 lanes of traffic at peek times - so at just 11 years old, no I would not allow her to walk or bike it - I am a reponsible parent. On top of this just last night we were been warned in Darlington about a man in car trying to lure young children - we do not live in the society we did 20/30/40 years ago. This is about equlity of services - there are other young people on the street who live .2 of a mile further away and have a seat. We are wiilling to pay for this. I work full time and pay tax, my husband is a local business man and employer who all contribute to the economy - I pay my tax so everyone can have access to sercvices when they need them, just as I do - and I am willing to pay extra to see her to school and back safely, and yes of course I will make arrangements to do that myself. The point is the school bus service has become a lottery that gambles with our childrens saferty to save a few pounds. Of course its not the councils responsinilty to get my child to school - but by the same logic its not their responsinikty to get any child to school other than those with additional needs. Instead, they are picking and choosing based on a set of illogical guidelines. I am not looking for a solution here, but its something I feel strongly about and wanted to draw attention to. Munchkin2503
  • Score: 4

9:19am Wed 6 Aug 14

don king says...

As I said im in the catchment for school transport to st aidens from MSG, but they do not provide transport to st aidens from MSG
All kids from MSG have always attended Hurworth
I am 164 metres further away from Hurworth than st aidens, therefore do not get free transport!
But if I had chosen st aidens they would provide transport as in a taxi!
I just find it strange that in the last 40 years plus transport has always been provided free to Hurworth from MSG as we are 4.2miles away
Although st aidens is 4.1miles away!
And just to make a point there is no way my daughter of 11 years is walking to Hurworth from MSG!
As I said im in the catchment for school transport to st aidens from MSG, but they do not provide transport to st aidens from MSG All kids from MSG have always attended Hurworth I am 164 metres further away from Hurworth than st aidens, therefore do not get free transport! But if I had chosen st aidens they would provide transport as in a taxi! I just find it strange that in the last 40 years plus transport has always been provided free to Hurworth from MSG as we are 4.2miles away Although st aidens is 4.1miles away! And just to make a point there is no way my daughter of 11 years is walking to Hurworth from MSG! don king
  • Score: 2

10:10am Wed 6 Aug 14

benthompson says...

My problem with your complaint is that the route you are planning to use is the car route not the walking route. Which would be out of High Grange,
cross West Auckland road at the traffic lights, walk to the path / old railway line to Crossfields, cross Bates Avenue (Lollypop ladies), down Stooperdale Avenue (Lollypop ladies), across Cockerton Green (Lollypop Ladies again) then up Swaledale Avenue before entering Carmel (via the other entrance) on Clare Avenue....

While I wouldn't want to walk down West Auckland Road during rush hour two minutes on Google Maps knocks a mile off the route
My problem with your complaint is that the route you are planning to use is the car route not the walking route. Which would be out of High Grange, cross West Auckland road at the traffic lights, walk to the path / old railway line to Crossfields, cross Bates Avenue (Lollypop ladies), down Stooperdale Avenue (Lollypop ladies), across Cockerton Green (Lollypop Ladies again) then up Swaledale Avenue before entering Carmel (via the other entrance) on Clare Avenue.... While I wouldn't want to walk down West Auckland Road during rush hour two minutes on Google Maps knocks a mile off the route benthompson
  • Score: 6

11:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

Parent012 says...

What I don't understand is that children of parents who don't work get a place on the bus, yet surely these are the parents who are able to walk their children to school- not having to be at work during school hours. Just think of all the free places on the bus if non working parents were made to walk their children to school.
What I don't understand is that children of parents who don't work get a place on the bus, yet surely these are the parents who are able to walk their children to school- not having to be at work during school hours. Just think of all the free places on the bus if non working parents were made to walk their children to school. Parent012
  • Score: 7

12:14pm Wed 6 Aug 14

theWorkerScum says...

Its simply discrimination against children whose parents that work. Everything is upside down in the world. Parents who don't work who could take their kids to school have their kids looked after, Parents who work outside the town and can't drop their kids off at school have no help. Can't believe how people don't find it ridiculous, how you get nothing if your parents work. The system is completely bonkers its not as if parents who work give their kids all their salary per month, lucky enough if you have any leftover to pay for more hidden costs to get your child safely to school. Oh yeah that's right we walked to school in the 60's so it's fine, we also had world wars in the past and slavery and worked children in the pit. (speak sense this isn't the 60s).
Its simply discrimination against children whose parents that work. Everything is upside down in the world. Parents who don't work who could take their kids to school have their kids looked after, Parents who work outside the town and can't drop their kids off at school have no help. Can't believe how people don't find it ridiculous, how you get nothing if your parents work. The system is completely bonkers its not as if parents who work give their kids all their salary per month, lucky enough if you have any leftover to pay for more hidden costs to get your child safely to school. Oh yeah that's right we walked to school in the 60's so it's fine, we also had world wars in the past and slavery and worked children in the pit. (speak sense this isn't the 60s). theWorkerScum
  • Score: 3

12:48pm Wed 6 Aug 14

D. Hop says...

While all this debate is going on, I cant help think of the amount of parents who specifically Christen their children Catholic for the sole reason of getting them into this school (I know many). Families who never visit church and haven't a religious bone in their body. Personally it disgusts me. If you're truly Catholic then fine, but you choose to send your child here knowing all the pros and cons. I think the travel is a small sacrifice if you're guaranteeing your child a place in the best school in the town.
While all this debate is going on, I cant help think of the amount of parents who specifically Christen their children Catholic for the sole reason of getting them into this school (I know many). Families who never visit church and haven't a religious bone in their body. Personally it disgusts me. If you're truly Catholic then fine, but you choose to send your child here knowing all the pros and cons. I think the travel is a small sacrifice if you're guaranteeing your child a place in the best school in the town. D. Hop
  • Score: 5

1:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

AMB_Gkar says...

Yeah 30 years ago there were no cars on roads, nor any criminals . Oh wait there was, Any road can be busy at rush hour, also funny how a lot of cars vanish at this time of year...a bit odd...Even me at 11 new how to cross a road,

You chose a school a distance away from and you dont qualify for transport. Why dont you find out if another child in your area goes to the school by being driven there and offer to pay for petrol money.
Yeah 30 years ago there were no cars on roads, nor any criminals . Oh wait there was, Any road can be busy at rush hour, also funny how a lot of cars vanish at this time of year...a bit odd...Even me at 11 new how to cross a road, You chose a school a distance away from and you dont qualify for transport. Why dont you find out if another child in your area goes to the school by being driven there and offer to pay for petrol money. AMB_Gkar
  • Score: 4

1:55pm Wed 6 Aug 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

What's wrong with walking? Kids are so molly coddled these days it's pathetic.
What's wrong with walking? Kids are so molly coddled these days it's pathetic. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Wed 6 Aug 14

settheworldonfire says...

pandorica wrote:
sarahd wrote:
I get that, munchkin, but it happens across the board-free school meals, free uniform, free trips etc for children from families with low income. Nothing we can do to change that and unfortunately we have to accept it. Its not right but that's the way it is
Hi Sarah, just to correct you, school trips are not free for those on low income and neither is the uniform. I have learnt a lot being ill this last year. Although I would never look down my nose to those worse off, people perceptions about benefit claimants are off way off the mark. I am lucky in that I know I will be back at work soon after having this last year of hell. But it sure makes you realise what a load of tosh some people talk, free trips, free uniforms, free buses lol!! I no not, I have paid for everything whilst claiming benefit, and my son walks to school!!
You are totally wrong...I have mates on benefits who laugh every time i moan about them getting free things...YES THEY GET FREE MEALS...FREE TRANSPORT...FREE SCHOOL UNIFORMS ...AND SHOES...PLUS FREE SCHOOL TRIPS WHICH WE HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TOWARDS...maybe you were not trying as hard as those dole wallers... plus WE WORK **** HARD FOR A LIVING....
[quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarahd[/bold] wrote: I get that, munchkin, but it happens across the board-free school meals, free uniform, free trips etc for children from families with low income. Nothing we can do to change that and unfortunately we have to accept it. Its not right but that's the way it is[/p][/quote]Hi Sarah, just to correct you, school trips are not free for those on low income and neither is the uniform. I have learnt a lot being ill this last year. Although I would never look down my nose to those worse off, people perceptions about benefit claimants are off way off the mark. I am lucky in that I know I will be back at work soon after having this last year of hell. But it sure makes you realise what a load of tosh some people talk, free trips, free uniforms, free buses lol!! I no not, I have paid for everything whilst claiming benefit, and my son walks to school!![/p][/quote]You are totally wrong...I have mates on benefits who laugh every time i moan about them getting free things...YES THEY GET FREE MEALS...FREE TRANSPORT...FREE SCHOOL UNIFORMS ...AND SHOES...PLUS FREE SCHOOL TRIPS WHICH WE HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TOWARDS...maybe you were not trying as hard as those dole wallers... plus WE WORK **** HARD FOR A LIVING.... settheworldonfire
  • Score: -6

2:53pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Awake-in-Darlo says...

foss wrote:
"Mrs Robinson said Abigail will be dropped off and picked up at school, at least until she is older."

So what's the problem then? She's not walking after all, is she?
Agree, why all the fuss ? The article clearly says that the family will be able to drop the girl at school. Some of the people who ualify for the assisted travel pass may well not have a car.
[quote][p][bold]foss[/bold] wrote: "Mrs Robinson said Abigail will be dropped off and picked up at school, at least until she is older." So what's the problem then? She's not walking after all, is she?[/p][/quote]Agree, why all the fuss ? The article clearly says that the family will be able to drop the girl at school. Some of the people who ualify for the assisted travel pass may well not have a car. Awake-in-Darlo
  • Score: 3

4:12pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Gems99 says...

AMB_Gkar wrote:
So you picked a school, not your local one and now you want the local taxpayer to pick up the tab? I walked to my infant/junior/second

ay school. Perhaps the RC Church should pick up the tab, have a word with them.
She's offered to pay for her daughter,, but bus is full. Read facts first. Fool
[quote][p][bold]AMB_Gkar[/bold] wrote: So you picked a school, not your local one and now you want the local taxpayer to pick up the tab? I walked to my infant/junior/second ay school. Perhaps the RC Church should pick up the tab, have a word with them.[/p][/quote]She's offered to pay for her daughter,, but bus is full. Read facts first. Fool Gems99
  • Score: -1

4:48pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Mike2012 says...

Surely the Vatican can sell 1 or 2 paintings and then offer buses for all of 'their own'??

Munchkin, did the pope ever get back to you?
Surely the Vatican can sell 1 or 2 paintings and then offer buses for all of 'their own'?? Munchkin, did the pope ever get back to you? Mike2012
  • Score: 0

4:56pm Wed 6 Aug 14

George1965 says...

Ahh poor little girl. Mummy will have to take you to her choice of school. Tough. It's not exactly far now is it. Walk it.
As the brainwashing Catholic Church is so rich, maybe ask them for a contribution. Or god or Allah or whoever forbid go to the local school. Or is it not good enough for your daughter?

In all seriousness , it's your daughter I feel sorry for. What's the betting she gets picked on at school because mummy ran to the press.
Ahh poor little girl. Mummy will have to take you to her choice of school. Tough. It's not exactly far now is it. Walk it. As the brainwashing Catholic Church is so rich, maybe ask them for a contribution. Or god or Allah or whoever forbid go to the local school. Or is it not good enough for your daughter? In all seriousness , it's your daughter I feel sorry for. What's the betting she gets picked on at school because mummy ran to the press. George1965
  • Score: 5

7:57pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Byebyedoris! says...

I think your all pathetic, if she let her child walk the distance and something happened you would all be saying she is irresponsible! I know the people involved and the train she can drop her daughter off is due to her asking her employer to adjust her hours. You are all missing the point it's about equality should be the same rule for all regardless of background
I think your all pathetic, if she let her child walk the distance and something happened you would all be saying she is irresponsible! I know the people involved and the train she can drop her daughter off is due to her asking her employer to adjust her hours. You are all missing the point it's about equality should be the same rule for all regardless of background Byebyedoris!
  • Score: -4

8:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

spragger says...

One wonders what has happened to 11 yr olds in the last few year
Helicopter parenting leaves them self entitled & skill less
One wonders what has happened to 11 yr olds in the last few year Helicopter parenting leaves them self entitled & skill less spragger
  • Score: 6

10:34pm Wed 6 Aug 14

onlinereader says...

Free buses!!! sorry, but you all pick your children's school knowing how far away the school is. We never got free bus passes as a child and money was far tighter then.... so when the money ran out, we walked.
Free buses!!! sorry, but you all pick your children's school knowing how far away the school is. We never got free bus passes as a child and money was far tighter then.... so when the money ran out, we walked. onlinereader
  • Score: 5

12:34am Thu 7 Aug 14

pandorica says...

Parent012 wrote:
What I don't understand is that children of parents who don't work get a place on the bus, yet surely these are the parents who are able to walk their children to school- not having to be at work during school hours. Just think of all the free places on the bus if non working parents were made to walk their children to school.
Oh the ignorance. Really? Children of parents who don't work get a place on the bus?????? REALLY????


NOT!!!!!!

Read the above comments. Pathetic excuse to look don your nose at those on benefits. Only hope you never have to depend on them, and believe me we are all at risk at some point in our lives needing help. Do your research before you make comments as this on here. And yes I am on benefits, Sickness benefit due to my lung giving up suddenly. And yes I worked until then and am unable to now because I cannot breathe. And NO my son DOES NOT GET A SPACE ON THE BUS, HE HAS TO WALK, NOR DOES HE GET ANYTHING ELSE FREE, I BUY IT!!!! Now change the record as im getting p&Sed off with the same old we work to fund their drink/smoking lifestyles etc etc. I don't do either!!!
[quote][p][bold]Parent012[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is that children of parents who don't work get a place on the bus, yet surely these are the parents who are able to walk their children to school- not having to be at work during school hours. Just think of all the free places on the bus if non working parents were made to walk their children to school.[/p][/quote]Oh the ignorance. Really? Children of parents who don't work get a place on the bus?????? REALLY???? NOT!!!!!! Read the above comments. Pathetic excuse to look don your nose at those on benefits. Only hope you never have to depend on them, and believe me we are all at risk at some point in our lives needing help. Do your research before you make comments as this on here. And yes I am on benefits, Sickness benefit due to my lung giving up suddenly. And yes I worked until then and am unable to now because I cannot breathe. And NO my son DOES NOT GET A SPACE ON THE BUS, HE HAS TO WALK, NOR DOES HE GET ANYTHING ELSE FREE, I BUY IT!!!! Now change the record as im getting p&Sed off with the same old we work to fund their drink/smoking lifestyles etc etc. I don't do either!!! pandorica
  • Score: 4

12:45am Thu 7 Aug 14

pandorica says...

benthompson wrote:
My problem with your complaint is that the route you are planning to use is the car route not the walking route. Which would be out of High Grange,
cross West Auckland road at the traffic lights, walk to the path / old railway line to Crossfields, cross Bates Avenue (Lollypop ladies), down Stooperdale Avenue (Lollypop ladies), across Cockerton Green (Lollypop Ladies again) then up Swaledale Avenue before entering Carmel (via the other entrance) on Clare Avenue....

While I wouldn't want to walk down West Auckland Road during rush hour two minutes on Google Maps knocks a mile off the route
This is absurd going this way and quite frankly dangerous going up the old railway line path into Crossfields. Honestly, it is not the point. The girl is 11 years old. Are you a parent? would you be happy if this was your daughter? Its absurd, especially when the mum has even said she would pay for a seat. I know their not full as I see them every day go past my house. Be it on the councils and the schools head should anything happen because of these stupid policys.
[quote][p][bold]benthompson[/bold] wrote: My problem with your complaint is that the route you are planning to use is the car route not the walking route. Which would be out of High Grange, cross West Auckland road at the traffic lights, walk to the path / old railway line to Crossfields, cross Bates Avenue (Lollypop ladies), down Stooperdale Avenue (Lollypop ladies), across Cockerton Green (Lollypop Ladies again) then up Swaledale Avenue before entering Carmel (via the other entrance) on Clare Avenue.... While I wouldn't want to walk down West Auckland Road during rush hour two minutes on Google Maps knocks a mile off the route[/p][/quote]This is absurd going this way and quite frankly dangerous going up the old railway line path into Crossfields. Honestly, it is not the point. The girl is 11 years old. Are you a parent? would you be happy if this was your daughter? Its absurd, especially when the mum has even said she would pay for a seat. I know their not full as I see them every day go past my house. Be it on the councils and the schools head should anything happen because of these stupid policys. pandorica
  • Score: -6

12:54am Thu 7 Aug 14

pandorica says...

theWorkerScum wrote:
Its simply discrimination against children whose parents that work. Everything is upside down in the world. Parents who don't work who could take their kids to school have their kids looked after, Parents who work outside the town and can't drop their kids off at school have no help. Can't believe how people don't find it ridiculous, how you get nothing if your parents work. The system is completely bonkers its not as if parents who work give their kids all their salary per month, lucky enough if you have any leftover to pay for more hidden costs to get your child safely to school. Oh yeah that's right we walked to school in the 60's so it's fine, we also had world wars in the past and slavery and worked children in the pit. (speak sense this isn't the 60s).
its discrimination alright when now this debate has turned again on those parents on Benefits apparently get everything, when indeed the original post was about the qualifying distance being met meaning she did not qualify for a place on the bus. Tell you what, lets swap for the day then see if you think the same way. Educate yourself on the matter. But this is what happens when people are like sheep and follow the crowd. Blame everything on Dole scroungers. Hmmm. Afterall we brought the country to its knees. We are lining our own pockets whilst ripping the innocent off. I better stop, do not wish to be banned for speaking my mind. Spent 5 years at university to be categorised as a dole scrounger, a parent who doesn't have to pay for anything, pftttt.
[quote][p][bold]theWorkerScum[/bold] wrote: Its simply discrimination against children whose parents that work. Everything is upside down in the world. Parents who don't work who could take their kids to school have their kids looked after, Parents who work outside the town and can't drop their kids off at school have no help. Can't believe how people don't find it ridiculous, how you get nothing if your parents work. The system is completely bonkers its not as if parents who work give their kids all their salary per month, lucky enough if you have any leftover to pay for more hidden costs to get your child safely to school. Oh yeah that's right we walked to school in the 60's so it's fine, we also had world wars in the past and slavery and worked children in the pit. (speak sense this isn't the 60s).[/p][/quote]its discrimination alright when now this debate has turned again on those parents on Benefits apparently get everything, when indeed the original post was about the qualifying distance being met meaning she did not qualify for a place on the bus. Tell you what, lets swap for the day then see if you think the same way. Educate yourself on the matter. But this is what happens when people are like sheep and follow the crowd. Blame everything on Dole scroungers. Hmmm. Afterall we brought the country to its knees. We are lining our own pockets whilst ripping the innocent off. I better stop, do not wish to be banned for speaking my mind. Spent 5 years at university to be categorised as a dole scrounger, a parent who doesn't have to pay for anything, pftttt. pandorica
  • Score: 2

1:03am Thu 7 Aug 14

pandorica says...

settheworldonfire wrote:
pandorica wrote:
sarahd wrote:
I get that, munchkin, but it happens across the board-free school meals, free uniform, free trips etc for children from families with low income. Nothing we can do to change that and unfortunately we have to accept it. Its not right but that's the way it is
Hi Sarah, just to correct you, school trips are not free for those on low income and neither is the uniform. I have learnt a lot being ill this last year. Although I would never look down my nose to those worse off, people perceptions about benefit claimants are off way off the mark. I am lucky in that I know I will be back at work soon after having this last year of hell. But it sure makes you realise what a load of tosh some people talk, free trips, free uniforms, free buses lol!! I no not, I have paid for everything whilst claiming benefit, and my son walks to school!!
You are totally wrong...I have mates on benefits who laugh every time i moan about them getting free things...YES THEY GET FREE MEALS...FREE TRANSPORT...FREE SCHOOL UNIFORMS ...AND SHOES...PLUS FREE SCHOOL TRIPS WHICH WE HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TOWARDS...maybe you were not trying as hard as those dole wallers... plus WE WORK **** HARD FOR A LIVING....
There laughing because you fall for the same crap. AND I CAN TELL YOU IT IS CRAP. I HAVE PAID FOR MY SONS UNIFORMS, SCHOOL TRIPS, SHOES, AD SPENDING MONEY, OOH AND HE WALKS. EDUCATE YOUR SELF.

Change the record, I left school then spent 5 years at college, then another 5 years at university, then worked since then paying my way whilst bringing up a family. Its only this last year my circumstances changed when I was unable to work due collapsing. I had no choice but claim benefit as I was not able to work. So I can honestly say your talking crap. I know because im living it. I do mot smoke, do not drink, do not out the house, and every penny o have is spent paying for my kids and my house. I do not expect everyone else to pay my way. So please don't tarr me with the same brush that you label all benefit claimants with. Perhaps next time you should think before you speak and go research a few things.
[quote][p][bold]settheworldonfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarahd[/bold] wrote: I get that, munchkin, but it happens across the board-free school meals, free uniform, free trips etc for children from families with low income. Nothing we can do to change that and unfortunately we have to accept it. Its not right but that's the way it is[/p][/quote]Hi Sarah, just to correct you, school trips are not free for those on low income and neither is the uniform. I have learnt a lot being ill this last year. Although I would never look down my nose to those worse off, people perceptions about benefit claimants are off way off the mark. I am lucky in that I know I will be back at work soon after having this last year of hell. But it sure makes you realise what a load of tosh some people talk, free trips, free uniforms, free buses lol!! I no not, I have paid for everything whilst claiming benefit, and my son walks to school!![/p][/quote]You are totally wrong...I have mates on benefits who laugh every time i moan about them getting free things...YES THEY GET FREE MEALS...FREE TRANSPORT...FREE SCHOOL UNIFORMS ...AND SHOES...PLUS FREE SCHOOL TRIPS WHICH WE HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TOWARDS...maybe you were not trying as hard as those dole wallers... plus WE WORK **** HARD FOR A LIVING....[/p][/quote]There laughing because you fall for the same crap. AND I CAN TELL YOU IT IS CRAP. I HAVE PAID FOR MY SONS UNIFORMS, SCHOOL TRIPS, SHOES, AD SPENDING MONEY, OOH AND HE WALKS. EDUCATE YOUR SELF. Change the record, I left school then spent 5 years at college, then another 5 years at university, then worked since then paying my way whilst bringing up a family. Its only this last year my circumstances changed when I was unable to work due collapsing. I had no choice but claim benefit as I was not able to work. So I can honestly say your talking crap. I know because im living it. I do mot smoke, do not drink, do not out the house, and every penny o have is spent paying for my kids and my house. I do not expect everyone else to pay my way. So please don't tarr me with the same brush that you label all benefit claimants with. Perhaps next time you should think before you speak and go research a few things. pandorica
  • Score: 8

1:59am Thu 7 Aug 14

Red rose lad says...

jandarlo wrote:
you chose this school, it wasnt forced upon you. any issues with travel to and from it then get the catholic church to subsidise the travel costs rather than the council tax payers in this town!
It may be a nice gesture if the Catholic church did contribute to the travel costs and keeping kids safe. It could be seen as penance for failing to act when turning a blind eye to pervert priests in their midst over many decades.
[quote][p][bold]jandarlo[/bold] wrote: you chose this school, it wasnt forced upon you. any issues with travel to and from it then get the catholic church to subsidise the travel costs rather than the council tax payers in this town![/p][/quote]It may be a nice gesture if the Catholic church did contribute to the travel costs and keeping kids safe. It could be seen as penance for failing to act when turning a blind eye to pervert priests in their midst over many decades. Red rose lad
  • Score: 6

7:03am Thu 7 Aug 14

benthompson says...

pandorica wrote:
benthompson wrote:
My problem with your complaint is that the route you are planning to use is the car route not the walking route. Which would be out of High Grange,
cross West Auckland road at the traffic lights, walk to the path / old railway line to Crossfields, cross Bates Avenue (Lollypop ladies), down Stooperdale Avenue (Lollypop ladies), across Cockerton Green (Lollypop Ladies again) then up Swaledale Avenue before entering Carmel (via the other entrance) on Clare Avenue....

While I wouldn't want to walk down West Auckland Road during rush hour two minutes on Google Maps knocks a mile off the route
This is absurd going this way and quite frankly dangerous going up the old railway line path into Crossfields. Honestly, it is not the point. The girl is 11 years old. Are you a parent? would you be happy if this was your daughter? Its absurd, especially when the mum has even said she would pay for a seat. I know their not full as I see them every day go past my house. Be it on the councils and the schools head should anything happen because of these stupid policys.
That path has the front door of houses on it now. I take it you haven't walked down that path for years.

The route I suggest is the exact route children from High Grange walk to get to DSMS combined at the logical point by the exact route my children and their friends walk to Carmel on most days.

As for the buses having empty spaces on afternoons they often are as various activities keep many children in school beyond the end of day...
[quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benthompson[/bold] wrote: My problem with your complaint is that the route you are planning to use is the car route not the walking route. Which would be out of High Grange, cross West Auckland road at the traffic lights, walk to the path / old railway line to Crossfields, cross Bates Avenue (Lollypop ladies), down Stooperdale Avenue (Lollypop ladies), across Cockerton Green (Lollypop Ladies again) then up Swaledale Avenue before entering Carmel (via the other entrance) on Clare Avenue.... While I wouldn't want to walk down West Auckland Road during rush hour two minutes on Google Maps knocks a mile off the route[/p][/quote]This is absurd going this way and quite frankly dangerous going up the old railway line path into Crossfields. Honestly, it is not the point. The girl is 11 years old. Are you a parent? would you be happy if this was your daughter? Its absurd, especially when the mum has even said she would pay for a seat. I know their not full as I see them every day go past my house. Be it on the councils and the schools head should anything happen because of these stupid policys.[/p][/quote]That path has the front door of houses on it now. I take it you haven't walked down that path for years. The route I suggest is the exact route children from High Grange walk to get to DSMS combined at the logical point by the exact route my children and their friends walk to Carmel on most days. As for the buses having empty spaces on afternoons they often are as various activities keep many children in school beyond the end of day... benthompson
  • Score: 7

10:10am Thu 7 Aug 14

theWorkerScum says...

pandorica wrote:
theWorkerScum wrote:
Its simply discrimination against children whose parents that work. Everything is upside down in the world. Parents who don't work who could take their kids to school have their kids looked after, Parents who work outside the town and can't drop their kids off at school have no help. Can't believe how people don't find it ridiculous, how you get nothing if your parents work. The system is completely bonkers its not as if parents who work give their kids all their salary per month, lucky enough if you have any leftover to pay for more hidden costs to get your child safely to school. Oh yeah that's right we walked to school in the 60's so it's fine, we also had world wars in the past and slavery and worked children in the pit. (speak sense this isn't the 60s).
its discrimination alright when now this debate has turned again on those parents on Benefits apparently get everything, when indeed the original post was about the qualifying distance being met meaning she did not qualify for a place on the bus. Tell you what, lets swap for the day then see if you think the same way. Educate yourself on the matter. But this is what happens when people are like sheep and follow the crowd. Blame everything on Dole scroungers. Hmmm. Afterall we brought the country to its knees. We are lining our own pockets whilst ripping the innocent off. I better stop, do not wish to be banned for speaking my mind. Spent 5 years at university to be categorised as a dole scrounger, a parent who doesn't have to pay for anything, pftttt.
But if we swapped nothing would change I'd have a job within 24 hours and you'd be fired in 24 hours so stop feeling sorry for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]pandorica[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theWorkerScum[/bold] wrote: Its simply discrimination against children whose parents that work. Everything is upside down in the world. Parents who don't work who could take their kids to school have their kids looked after, Parents who work outside the town and can't drop their kids off at school have no help. Can't believe how people don't find it ridiculous, how you get nothing if your parents work. The system is completely bonkers its not as if parents who work give their kids all their salary per month, lucky enough if you have any leftover to pay for more hidden costs to get your child safely to school. Oh yeah that's right we walked to school in the 60's so it's fine, we also had world wars in the past and slavery and worked children in the pit. (speak sense this isn't the 60s).[/p][/quote]its discrimination alright when now this debate has turned again on those parents on Benefits apparently get everything, when indeed the original post was about the qualifying distance being met meaning she did not qualify for a place on the bus. Tell you what, lets swap for the day then see if you think the same way. Educate yourself on the matter. But this is what happens when people are like sheep and follow the crowd. Blame everything on Dole scroungers. Hmmm. Afterall we brought the country to its knees. We are lining our own pockets whilst ripping the innocent off. I better stop, do not wish to be banned for speaking my mind. Spent 5 years at university to be categorised as a dole scrounger, a parent who doesn't have to pay for anything, pftttt.[/p][/quote]But if we swapped nothing would change I'd have a job within 24 hours and you'd be fired in 24 hours so stop feeling sorry for yourself. theWorkerScum
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Mike2012 says...

Red rose lad wrote:
jandarlo wrote:
you chose this school, it wasnt forced upon you. any issues with travel to and from it then get the catholic church to subsidise the travel costs rather than the council tax payers in this town!
It may be a nice gesture if the Catholic church did contribute to the travel costs and keeping kids safe. It could be seen as penance for failing to act when turning a blind eye to pervert priests in their midst over many decades.
Excellent post!.... And fair point!
[quote][p][bold]Red rose lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jandarlo[/bold] wrote: you chose this school, it wasnt forced upon you. any issues with travel to and from it then get the catholic church to subsidise the travel costs rather than the council tax payers in this town![/p][/quote]It may be a nice gesture if the Catholic church did contribute to the travel costs and keeping kids safe. It could be seen as penance for failing to act when turning a blind eye to pervert priests in their midst over many decades.[/p][/quote]Excellent post!.... And fair point! Mike2012
  • Score: 6

11:35am Fri 8 Aug 14

Traser says...

Carmel was originally a voluntary-aided school. Part of its budget was 'top sliced' by Darlington Council and went to pay for central services eg school transport.

Greedy Carmel RC College then converted to an academy so that it would retain that top sliced money. ie the decision was based on 'getting more money for Carmel RC College'.

So now, Carmel College and the public expect the council to pay out for school transport? NO!

As Carmel opted out of the local authority's school of familes for its 'independent' life as an academy then the duty to provide transport for its students falls to it!

Alternatively, if Ms Robinson considers the walking journey to school to be too dangerous then she can apply for her precious daughter to go to a school nearer her home!
Carmel was originally a voluntary-aided school. Part of its budget was 'top sliced' by Darlington Council and went to pay for central services eg school transport. Greedy Carmel RC College then converted to an academy so that it would retain that top sliced money. ie the decision was based on 'getting more money for Carmel RC College'. So now, Carmel College and the public expect the council to pay out for school transport? NO! As Carmel opted out of the local authority's school of familes for its 'independent' life as an academy then the duty to provide transport for its students falls to it! Alternatively, if Ms Robinson considers the walking journey to school to be too dangerous then she can apply for her precious daughter to go to a school nearer her home! Traser
  • Score: 4

1:08pm Fri 8 Aug 14

AMB_Gkar says...

Good post Traser...try reading that GEMS99....fool. So if Carmel has opted out of DBC....provide your own transport
Good post Traser...try reading that GEMS99....fool. So if Carmel has opted out of DBC....provide your own transport AMB_Gkar
  • Score: 2

8:59am Sat 9 Aug 14

Munchkin2503 says...

Traser wrote:
Carmel was originally a voluntary-aided school. Part of its budget was 'top sliced' by Darlington Council and went to pay for central services eg school transport.

Greedy Carmel RC College then converted to an academy so that it would retain that top sliced money. ie the decision was based on 'getting more money for Carmel RC College'.

So now, Carmel College and the public expect the council to pay out for school transport? NO!

As Carmel opted out of the local authority's school of familes for its 'independent' life as an academy then the duty to provide transport for its students falls to it!

Alternatively, if Ms Robinson considers the walking journey to school to be too dangerous then she can apply for her precious daughter to go to a school nearer her home!
Your very mis informed - the council have a statutory obligation to provide school transport to children with SEN and those on certain benefits - this is a small number of pupils - they 'sell' the remaining seats to Carmel, however they retain the decision making in how the seats are allocated. So carmel pays and passes some of that cost to the parents - I have no issue with this.
Also, carmel is my nearest school bar one that is also a 2 mile walkin route and altho closer the route is along the aptly named 'Black path'.
We did attend information meetings at the school and were advised transport was available that we could pay for (not an issue) - so we are taken off gaurd.
As for my daughter being precious, isnt every child??
[quote][p][bold]Traser[/bold] wrote: Carmel was originally a voluntary-aided school. Part of its budget was 'top sliced' by Darlington Council and went to pay for central services eg school transport. Greedy Carmel RC College then converted to an academy so that it would retain that top sliced money. ie the decision was based on 'getting more money for Carmel RC College'. So now, Carmel College and the public expect the council to pay out for school transport? NO! As Carmel opted out of the local authority's school of familes for its 'independent' life as an academy then the duty to provide transport for its students falls to it! Alternatively, if Ms Robinson considers the walking journey to school to be too dangerous then she can apply for her precious daughter to go to a school nearer her home![/p][/quote]Your very mis informed - the council have a statutory obligation to provide school transport to children with SEN and those on certain benefits - this is a small number of pupils - they 'sell' the remaining seats to Carmel, however they retain the decision making in how the seats are allocated. So carmel pays and passes some of that cost to the parents - I have no issue with this. Also, carmel is my nearest school bar one that is also a 2 mile walkin route and altho closer the route is along the aptly named 'Black path'. We did attend information meetings at the school and were advised transport was available that we could pay for (not an issue) - so we are taken off gaurd. As for my daughter being precious, isnt every child?? Munchkin2503
  • Score: -2

4:28pm Sat 9 Aug 14

ronno72 says...

THE 16A SERVICE GOES TO THE SCHOOL AND TAKES THEM HOME IT IS RUN BY SCARLET BAND AND APPEARS TO BE WELL USED BY FARE PAYING SCHOOL CHILDREN
THE 16A SERVICE GOES TO THE SCHOOL AND TAKES THEM HOME IT IS RUN BY SCARLET BAND AND APPEARS TO BE WELL USED BY FARE PAYING SCHOOL CHILDREN ronno72
  • Score: 4

6:06pm Sun 10 Aug 14

pensioner2 says...

You havn't really shown the best route to the school anyway. If she walks up West Auckland Road as far as Prior Street there is a lollipop lady who can see her across West Auckland Road, so if she crosses there and down Prior Street- past the catholic junior school, then crosses with another lollipop lady at Cockerton Green she can then go across, where the new flats are, that used to be a home for the elderly-past cockerton garage- and through the cut to Staindrop Road, where there is yet another lollipop lady to see her safely across Staindrop Road. From there its straight up Swaledale Avenue- along with the many Carmel school kids that already go that way, to Nunnery Lane, a short walk along Claire Avenue and then directly into school the back way (the "alley" opposite the post box at the Hillclose Avenue junction) which is what lots of kids already seem to do. When my wife was young she had to walk all the way from Skerne Park to Eastbourne Comprehensive- no free buses then (and they didn't go to Hummersknott either). People are always complaining these days about kids not getting enough exercise, well this is her chance to do so. She won't be short of fellow school companions walking that route, plenty of them already do.
You havn't really shown the best route to the school anyway. If she walks up West Auckland Road as far as Prior Street there is a lollipop lady who can see her across West Auckland Road, so if she crosses there and down Prior Street- past the catholic junior school, then crosses with another lollipop lady at Cockerton Green she can then go across, where the new flats are, that used to be a home for the elderly-past cockerton garage- and through the cut to Staindrop Road, where there is yet another lollipop lady to see her safely across Staindrop Road. From there its straight up Swaledale Avenue- along with the many Carmel school kids that already go that way, to Nunnery Lane, a short walk along Claire Avenue and then directly into school the back way (the "alley" opposite the post box at the Hillclose Avenue junction) which is what lots of kids already seem to do. When my wife was young she had to walk all the way from Skerne Park to Eastbourne Comprehensive- no free buses then (and they didn't go to Hummersknott either). People are always complaining these days about kids not getting enough exercise, well this is her chance to do so. She won't be short of fellow school companions walking that route, plenty of them already do. pensioner2
  • Score: 3

6:45pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Voice-of-reality says...

Of course all of these problems are solved if one sends one son or daughter to boarding school. Then one merely has arrange travel four times a term. Efficient, cost effective, and an excellent education. The choice is clear.
Of course all of these problems are solved if one sends one son or daughter to boarding school. Then one merely has arrange travel four times a term. Efficient, cost effective, and an excellent education. The choice is clear. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 5

2:46pm Mon 11 Aug 14

max2420 says...

Is it communism? Everyone has to pay for own expenses. We must say NO as taxpayers for funding someones free travel, benefits from our taxes
Is it communism? Everyone has to pay for own expenses. We must say NO as taxpayers for funding someones free travel, benefits from our taxes max2420
  • Score: 3

3:42pm Mon 11 Aug 14

boysibandit says...

If you don't mind paying walk her to a public bus route and put het on it even go with her it's better than walking
If you don't mind paying walk her to a public bus route and put het on it even go with her it's better than walking boysibandit
  • Score: 1

3:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

BreastBoner says...

BMD wrote:
harry2 wrote:
BMD wrote: It seems every Darlington taxi arrives at the Education Village (Haughton School) on a school morning. But the Labour council only provide this service if the parents cant get out of bed or if they have to sign-on.
These are probably with the kids from the special needs section. My son and my freinds 2 daughters all went to the education village and got no help with transport
The kids with special needs arrive in a fully equipped bus with wheelchair access.

The kids that arrive in taxis are never escorted by a carers or parents and the taxi is paid for by the council. - Work that one out when you pay your council tax.
How do you know that the taxis are paid for by the Council. If I sent my kid in a taxi to that school and paid for it out of my own pocket, how would you know who paid the fare?
[quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harry2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: It seems every Darlington taxi arrives at the Education Village (Haughton School) on a school morning. But the Labour council only provide this service if the parents cant get out of bed or if they have to sign-on.[/p][/quote]These are probably with the kids from the special needs section. My son and my freinds 2 daughters all went to the education village and got no help with transport[/p][/quote]The kids with special needs arrive in a fully equipped bus with wheelchair access. The kids that arrive in taxis are never escorted by a carers or parents and the taxi is paid for by the council. - Work that one out when you pay your council tax.[/p][/quote]How do you know that the taxis are paid for by the Council. If I sent my kid in a taxi to that school and paid for it out of my own pocket, how would you know who paid the fare? BreastBoner
  • Score: 1

7:05pm Mon 11 Aug 14

darloboss says...

move house
move house darloboss
  • Score: 2

10:49pm Mon 11 Aug 14

lovedarlo says...

Why can`t she buy a arriva bus pass £5 80 and get the service 19 which goes in to the town centre and the same bus changes to service 3 which will take her to nunnery lane a very short walk to carmel school , plenty of other kids do that from west park . WHY can`t she
Why can`t she buy a arriva bus pass £5 80 and get the service 19 which goes in to the town centre and the same bus changes to service 3 which will take her to nunnery lane a very short walk to carmel school , plenty of other kids do that from west park . WHY can`t she lovedarlo
  • Score: 1

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