"The tide is turning," say the organisers of the region's first pro-cannabis rally as it passes without a single arrest

PRO-LEGALISATION: Cannabis users gather in Redcar. Picture: STUART BOULTON. (8871940)

PRO-LEGALISATION: Cannabis users gather in Redcar. Picture: STUART BOULTON. (8871942)

PRO-LEGALISATION: John Holiday of the Teesside Cannabis Club at the gathering in Redcar. Picture: STUART BOULTON. (8871944)

PRO-LEGALISATION: John Holiday of the Teesside Cannabis Club at the gathering in Redcar. Picture: STUART BOULTON. (8871947)

First published in News by

CAMPAIGNERS fighting to legalise cannabis claim the tide is turning in their favour as the region’s first pro-cannabis rally passed without a single arrest this weekend.

The ‘Beach BBQ Smoke Out’ – held in Redcar – marked the first time an event of its nature has been held openly in the North-East and with full knowledge of the authorities.

Scores of cannabis users turned out on Saturday for the event organised by the Teesside Pro-Cannabis Movement (TPCM) and the Tyne and Wear Cannabis Club as part of their campaign to legalise and regulate the Class B drug for medicinal purposes.

Police presence was minimal throughout and organisers praised Cleveland Police for allowing the event to pass peacefully and without undue intervention.

TPCM’s John Holiday said: “The tide is turning and things are changing – the police have been friendly and genuine and we’ve worked together to make sure things go off with minimal disruption.

“They said they’d act if they saw any offences being committed and that’s fair enough.

“I thought they’d block anything happening and was surprised not to be met with a brick wall.

“It was a choice of trying to fight the establishment or work with them and now my only regret is not working with them sooner.

“When we started this movement, it was guerilla but this is almost stepping into legitimacy – we’ve done this openly and in the public eye.

“We’re educated, peaceful people with something to give back to the community and for every one person saying no to legalising cannabis, there are three saying yes.”

A 47-year-old woman, who travelled from Newcastle to attend the rally, said: “I’ve been smoking cannabis since I was 18 and I’m not a criminal.

“A lot of my friends do but they wouldn’t admit it because they’re afraid to be criminalised or lose their job.

“I’ve got nothing to lose, I’ve lived a useful life, brought my children up and held down a job.

“People should be allowed to come out in the open – there’s nothing bad about coming here and doing this, it’s about freedom and choice.”

Superintendent Ian Coates from Cleveland Police confirmed the force had liaised with organisers to ensure the protest remained peaceful and people were able to express their views.

He said officers were prepared to take appropriate action in light of any offences being committed.

Comments (18)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

8:48pm Sun 3 Aug 14

laboursfoe says...

Except that 47 year old woman is engaging in illegal activity, therefore if caught and prosecuted then she would be a criminal.

Also, she is only 47 and has another 15-18 years as a worker. I presume that if she lost her job as a result of being charged, she would expect the taxpayer to fund her existence??

Do these people live in the real world??? Sounds like an excuse to legalise so they can continue their lifestyle without fear of prosecution.
Except that 47 year old woman is engaging in illegal activity, therefore if caught and prosecuted then she would be a criminal. Also, she is only 47 and has another 15-18 years as a worker. I presume that if she lost her job as a result of being charged, she would expect the taxpayer to fund her existence?? Do these people live in the real world??? Sounds like an excuse to legalise so they can continue their lifestyle without fear of prosecution. laboursfoe
  • Score: 25

1:28am Mon 4 Aug 14

Timhole says...

Yes, these people do live in the real world and that's exactly why we want it legalised. So police can spend their time more effectively arresting people who are actually doing something worthy of calling a crime.

Did you ever think to wonder why cannabis was criminalised in the first place? Please, take the time to educate yourself. The taxpayer is already paying through the nose to support this so called war on drugs. Make cannabis legal and gangs are stripped of their income and innocent users are finally able to live their lives in peace, giving rise to new legitimate job opportunities.
Yes, these people do live in the real world and that's exactly why we want it legalised. So police can spend their time more effectively arresting people who are actually doing something worthy of calling a crime. Did you ever think to wonder why cannabis was criminalised in the first place? Please, take the time to educate yourself. The taxpayer is already paying through the nose to support this so called war on drugs. Make cannabis legal and gangs are stripped of their income and innocent users are finally able to live their lives in peace, giving rise to new legitimate job opportunities. Timhole
  • Score: 35

5:59am Mon 4 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Except that 47 year old woman is engaging in illegal activity, therefore if caught and prosecuted then she would be a criminal.

Also, she is only 47 and has another 15-18 years as a worker. I presume that if she lost her job as a result of being charged, she would expect the taxpayer to fund her existence??

Do these people live in the real world??? Sounds like an excuse to legalise so they can continue their lifestyle without fear of prosecution.
That's a good point laboursfoe
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: Except that 47 year old woman is engaging in illegal activity, therefore if caught and prosecuted then she would be a criminal. Also, she is only 47 and has another 15-18 years as a worker. I presume that if she lost her job as a result of being charged, she would expect the taxpayer to fund her existence?? Do these people live in the real world??? Sounds like an excuse to legalise so they can continue their lifestyle without fear of prosecution.[/p][/quote]That's a good point laboursfoe Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

5:59am Mon 4 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Except that 47 year old woman is engaging in illegal activity, therefore if caught and prosecuted then she would be a criminal.

Also, she is only 47 and has another 15-18 years as a worker. I presume that if she lost her job as a result of being charged, she would expect the taxpayer to fund her existence??

Do these people live in the real world??? Sounds like an excuse to legalise so they can continue their lifestyle without fear of prosecution.
That's a good point laboursfoe
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: Except that 47 year old woman is engaging in illegal activity, therefore if caught and prosecuted then she would be a criminal. Also, she is only 47 and has another 15-18 years as a worker. I presume that if she lost her job as a result of being charged, she would expect the taxpayer to fund her existence?? Do these people live in the real world??? Sounds like an excuse to legalise so they can continue their lifestyle without fear of prosecution.[/p][/quote]That's a good point laboursfoe Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

7:35am Mon 4 Aug 14

Ron Carter-Bonsteel says...

I have no doubt in the future cannibas and Class A drugs will be legalised.
But if people think this will stop the criminals then think again.
We have seen what alcohol does to people and destroyed families then legalising drugs will bring a greater threat to not only families but to society. We see enough drug and drink drivers on our roads can you imagine if cannibas was legalised? This has been shown to effect drivers but that's my opinion and I respect other people's opinions that's what's good about forums like this people can agree to disagree.
So I will except the thumbs down with dignity.
I have no doubt in the future cannibas and Class A drugs will be legalised. But if people think this will stop the criminals then think again. We have seen what alcohol does to people and destroyed families then legalising drugs will bring a greater threat to not only families but to society. We see enough drug and drink drivers on our roads can you imagine if cannibas was legalised? This has been shown to effect drivers but that's my opinion and I respect other people's opinions that's what's good about forums like this people can agree to disagree. So I will except the thumbs down with dignity. Ron Carter-Bonsteel
  • Score: -8

9:11am Mon 4 Aug 14

DaggaMonster says...

Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
I have no doubt in the future cannibas and Class A drugs will be legalised.
But if people think this will stop the criminals then think again.
We have seen what alcohol does to people and destroyed families then legalising drugs will bring a greater threat to not only families but to society. We see enough drug and drink drivers on our roads can you imagine if cannibas was legalised? This has been shown to effect drivers but that's my opinion and I respect other people's opinions that's what's good about forums like this people can agree to disagree.
So I will except the thumbs down with dignity.
I'm glad you have no doubt about the future legalisation of cannabis, there at least we agree. I'm also glad you respect others opinions, there too we can find a meeting of minds. Where I will disagree with you is in your thinking that the legalisation of cannabis will bring some greater threat to society than the threats we face already. Yes, legalisation will almost certainly bring greater use, and yes with greater use comes the possibility, made almost certainty by the frailty of man, of greater abuse.

But that doesn't tell the whole story. First of all, not all cannabis use is or will be abuse, the same as any other recreational drug. Secondly studies, and mountains of anecdotal evidence, have shown that increased access to cannabis will decrease use of other drugs(including the legal ones) in a proportion of people offsetting some potential harm. Also the harms, both physical and social, associated with cannabis(and here I mean the real, hard evidenced harms, not the spurious, fanciful "reefer madness" rubbish spouted by prohibitionists for years) are far less intrusive than the harms we already know are associated with the current legal recreational drugs, not to mention almost all of the currently widely abused prescription drugs available.

Will there be more people driving under the influence of things? Possibly. But that's individual fault not collective. Should we ban alcohol because people drive drunk? Should we ban sky diving because people hit the ground hard?
[quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: I have no doubt in the future cannibas and Class A drugs will be legalised. But if people think this will stop the criminals then think again. We have seen what alcohol does to people and destroyed families then legalising drugs will bring a greater threat to not only families but to society. We see enough drug and drink drivers on our roads can you imagine if cannibas was legalised? This has been shown to effect drivers but that's my opinion and I respect other people's opinions that's what's good about forums like this people can agree to disagree. So I will except the thumbs down with dignity.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you have no doubt about the future legalisation of cannabis, there at least we agree. I'm also glad you respect others opinions, there too we can find a meeting of minds. Where I will disagree with you is in your thinking that the legalisation of cannabis will bring some greater threat to society than the threats we face already. Yes, legalisation will almost certainly bring greater use, and yes with greater use comes the possibility, made almost certainty by the frailty of man, of greater abuse. But that doesn't tell the whole story. First of all, not all cannabis use is or will be abuse, the same as any other recreational drug. Secondly studies, and mountains of anecdotal evidence, have shown that increased access to cannabis will decrease use of other drugs(including the legal ones) in a proportion of people offsetting some potential harm. Also the harms, both physical and social, associated with cannabis(and here I mean the real, hard evidenced harms, not the spurious, fanciful "reefer madness" rubbish spouted by prohibitionists for years) are far less intrusive than the harms we already know are associated with the current legal recreational drugs, not to mention almost all of the currently widely abused prescription drugs available. Will there be more people driving under the influence of things? Possibly. But that's individual fault not collective. Should we ban alcohol because people drive drunk? Should we ban sky diving because people hit the ground hard? DaggaMonster
  • Score: 0

9:23am Mon 4 Aug 14

trevc1 says...

why are people so afraid of this plant? this is debate is so much bigger if you just educate yourselves to the possibility.
how many people want to paying such high prices for petrol at the pump?
a full hemp and cannabis industry would enable us all to be paying less than £1 per litre at the pump again.
it would also mitigate the damamge done by co2 releases in to the atmosphere by the fossil fuel industry as one plant takes in as much co2 in its 12 to 16 week life cycle then a tree does in 20 years.
the industrial, technological and environmental factors of this plant are huge!!
the medicinal value of it is now well established!! the science is undeniable for anyone who cares to look for it.
people often demonise the recreational user yet its a far safer and healthier intoxicant then alcohol or nicotine and has far less of a social impact as proven at the weekend with zero arrests.
its the recreational user who are going to bring this whole debate to the fore because they're the ones that bring the party and the social cohesion to this debate.
how many of you reading this or against the privatisation of the NHS?? we can help with that with effective treatments from everything from an upset stomach to cancer taking the pressure of the NHS and allowing it to restructure to the NHS it has always been, which is a free service for all.
how many of you are against fracking?? in a recent study from america it was noted that only 6% of ameri8can land would be necessary to sustainably farm more than hemp to supply america with all of its natural gas and oil needs. we're a lot smaller than america! if we can start hemp farming, we can kill off fracking!
this debate is so much bigger than people realise. the whole point of the weekend at redcar was to educate people towards these subjects.
we did that with zero arrest, zero complaints and zero ill will from anyone who came to meet us!
before you start subscribing to the reefer madness of old propagated by successive governments, i ask you to put some research in to this subject.
the reasons for prohibition have all been debunked and its time to move forward.
just to finish off, i'm going to leave you with a challenge. morally justify the prohibition for the cure for cancer.
why are people so afraid of this plant? this is debate is so much bigger if you just educate yourselves to the possibility. how many people want to paying such high prices for petrol at the pump? a full hemp and cannabis industry would enable us all to be paying less than £1 per litre at the pump again. it would also mitigate the damamge done by co2 releases in to the atmosphere by the fossil fuel industry as one plant takes in as much co2 in its 12 to 16 week life cycle then a tree does in 20 years. the industrial, technological and environmental factors of this plant are huge!! the medicinal value of it is now well established!! the science is undeniable for anyone who cares to look for it. people often demonise the recreational user yet its a far safer and healthier intoxicant then alcohol or nicotine and has far less of a social impact as proven at the weekend with zero arrests. its the recreational user who are going to bring this whole debate to the fore because they're the ones that bring the party and the social cohesion to this debate. how many of you reading this or against the privatisation of the NHS?? we can help with that with effective treatments from everything from an upset stomach to cancer taking the pressure of the NHS and allowing it to restructure to the NHS it has always been, which is a free service for all. how many of you are against fracking?? in a recent study from america it was noted that only 6% of ameri8can land would be necessary to sustainably farm more than hemp to supply america with all of its natural gas and oil needs. we're a lot smaller than america! if we can start hemp farming, we can kill off fracking! this debate is so much bigger than people realise. the whole point of the weekend at redcar was to educate people towards these subjects. we did that with zero arrest, zero complaints and zero ill will from anyone who came to meet us! before you start subscribing to the reefer madness of old propagated by successive governments, i ask you to put some research in to this subject. the reasons for prohibition have all been debunked and its time to move forward. just to finish off, i'm going to leave you with a challenge. morally justify the prohibition for the cure for cancer. trevc1
  • Score: -1

9:55am Mon 4 Aug 14

Ron Carter-Bonsteel says...

DaggaMonster wrote:
Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
I have no doubt in the future cannibas and Class A drugs will be legalised.
But if people think this will stop the criminals then think again.
We have seen what alcohol does to people and destroyed families then legalising drugs will bring a greater threat to not only families but to society. We see enough drug and drink drivers on our roads can you imagine if cannibas was legalised? This has been shown to effect drivers but that's my opinion and I respect other people's opinions that's what's good about forums like this people can agree to disagree.
So I will except the thumbs down with dignity.
I'm glad you have no doubt about the future legalisation of cannabis, there at least we agree. I'm also glad you respect others opinions, there too we can find a meeting of minds. Where I will disagree with you is in your thinking that the legalisation of cannabis will bring some greater threat to society than the threats we face already. Yes, legalisation will almost certainly bring greater use, and yes with greater use comes the possibility, made almost certainty by the frailty of man, of greater abuse.

But that doesn't tell the whole story. First of all, not all cannabis use is or will be abuse, the same as any other recreational drug. Secondly studies, and mountains of anecdotal evidence, have shown that increased access to cannabis will decrease use of other drugs(including the legal ones) in a proportion of people offsetting some potential harm. Also the harms, both physical and social, associated with cannabis(and here I mean the real, hard evidenced harms, not the spurious, fanciful "reefer madness" rubbish spouted by prohibitionists for years) are far less intrusive than the harms we already know are associated with the current legal recreational drugs, not to mention almost all of the currently widely abused prescription drugs available.

Will there be more people driving under the influence of things? Possibly. But that's individual fault not collective. Should we ban alcohol because people drive drunk? Should we ban sky diving because people hit the ground hard?
cannabis is a hell of a lot stronger than it was years ago and really sky diving is totally different because that person is risking his or her life not anyone else? Look I have never taken any kind of Illegal drugs because I feel I don't need too that's my choice my family and friends are my drug and my love for my children and grandchildren. Education to me is a waste of time because like drink driving no one really takes no notice of the warnings as we see with people who have caused fatal road accidents with drink or drugs in them they can wipe a family out as we have seen many times.
My fight is against criminals who flood our estates with drugs including cannabis ruining young lives and giving them addictions they will sometimes never overcome I have seen it myself on the estates I have lived on and tried to stop it but at a cost to my family and myself.
So people who buy cannabis are buying from criminals who are destroying our communities and supporting Terrorism and serious criminal networks.
If you go down this road why not just give shoplifters the goods free of charge or alcoholics a voucher for their alcohol and so on.
While there is evidence to support cannabis use there will be evidence supporting it to never be legalised.
Like yourself I will never change my mind and just hope you yourself or anyone reading this don't have to suffer like we did just because we seen the damage drugs does and what criminals will do to ply there trade no matter what cost.
[quote][p][bold]DaggaMonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: I have no doubt in the future cannibas and Class A drugs will be legalised. But if people think this will stop the criminals then think again. We have seen what alcohol does to people and destroyed families then legalising drugs will bring a greater threat to not only families but to society. We see enough drug and drink drivers on our roads can you imagine if cannibas was legalised? This has been shown to effect drivers but that's my opinion and I respect other people's opinions that's what's good about forums like this people can agree to disagree. So I will except the thumbs down with dignity.[/p][/quote]I'm glad you have no doubt about the future legalisation of cannabis, there at least we agree. I'm also glad you respect others opinions, there too we can find a meeting of minds. Where I will disagree with you is in your thinking that the legalisation of cannabis will bring some greater threat to society than the threats we face already. Yes, legalisation will almost certainly bring greater use, and yes with greater use comes the possibility, made almost certainty by the frailty of man, of greater abuse. But that doesn't tell the whole story. First of all, not all cannabis use is or will be abuse, the same as any other recreational drug. Secondly studies, and mountains of anecdotal evidence, have shown that increased access to cannabis will decrease use of other drugs(including the legal ones) in a proportion of people offsetting some potential harm. Also the harms, both physical and social, associated with cannabis(and here I mean the real, hard evidenced harms, not the spurious, fanciful "reefer madness" rubbish spouted by prohibitionists for years) are far less intrusive than the harms we already know are associated with the current legal recreational drugs, not to mention almost all of the currently widely abused prescription drugs available. Will there be more people driving under the influence of things? Possibly. But that's individual fault not collective. Should we ban alcohol because people drive drunk? Should we ban sky diving because people hit the ground hard?[/p][/quote]cannabis is a hell of a lot stronger than it was years ago and really sky diving is totally different because that person is risking his or her life not anyone else? Look I have never taken any kind of Illegal drugs because I feel I don't need too that's my choice my family and friends are my drug and my love for my children and grandchildren. Education to me is a waste of time because like drink driving no one really takes no notice of the warnings as we see with people who have caused fatal road accidents with drink or drugs in them they can wipe a family out as we have seen many times. My fight is against criminals who flood our estates with drugs including cannabis ruining young lives and giving them addictions they will sometimes never overcome I have seen it myself on the estates I have lived on and tried to stop it but at a cost to my family and myself. So people who buy cannabis are buying from criminals who are destroying our communities and supporting Terrorism and serious criminal networks. If you go down this road why not just give shoplifters the goods free of charge or alcoholics a voucher for their alcohol and so on. While there is evidence to support cannabis use there will be evidence supporting it to never be legalised. Like yourself I will never change my mind and just hope you yourself or anyone reading this don't have to suffer like we did just because we seen the damage drugs does and what criminals will do to ply there trade no matter what cost. Ron Carter-Bonsteel
  • Score: -14

12:06pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Tempestni says...

Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM.
Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM. Tempestni
  • Score: 13

12:54pm Mon 4 Aug 14

laboursfoe says...

Tempestni wrote:
Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM.
One sure fire way to prove you have no faith in your convictions is to go on the attack.

I won my own company and take home well above £60k per yeAr, I have no agenda apart from to ensure that proper legislation in in place to protect my family and children from the affects of harmful substances such as this.

I welcome the ban on advertising tobacco, alcohol before average children's bedtimes and I certainly welcome the fact that proven mind altering drugs are illegal in this country.

My mother was a Mental Health nurse who often saw direct consequences of repeated Cannabis use.

My Aunt was also a Social Worker who had to deal with people who started out puffing a bit of weed and ended up on harder more dangerous drugs. She saw families ripped apart, children neglected and removed from their siblings to be rehoused in stable families.

Trevc1 however thinks that this is all scaremongering, that this drug can solve half of the monsters worlds problems and even contribute to world peace!!

Just be honest, do you all want to be able to smoke and cultivate the stuff without fear of prosecution??

It's a simple question, and I'll respect your honesty. What I won't respect is wilfully ignoring the issues above that are directly resultant of this drugs use.
[quote][p][bold]Tempestni[/bold] wrote: Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM.[/p][/quote]One sure fire way to prove you have no faith in your convictions is to go on the attack. I won my own company and take home well above £60k per yeAr, I have no agenda apart from to ensure that proper legislation in in place to protect my family and children from the affects of harmful substances such as this. I welcome the ban on advertising tobacco, alcohol before average children's bedtimes and I certainly welcome the fact that proven mind altering drugs are illegal in this country. My mother was a Mental Health nurse who often saw direct consequences of repeated Cannabis use. My Aunt was also a Social Worker who had to deal with people who started out puffing a bit of weed and ended up on harder more dangerous drugs. She saw families ripped apart, children neglected and removed from their siblings to be rehoused in stable families. Trevc1 however thinks that this is all scaremongering, that this drug can solve half of the monsters worlds problems and even contribute to world peace!! Just be honest, do you all want to be able to smoke and cultivate the stuff without fear of prosecution?? It's a simple question, and I'll respect your honesty. What I won't respect is wilfully ignoring the issues above that are directly resultant of this drugs use. laboursfoe
  • Score: 2

2:21pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/life-style/
health-and-families/
health-news/is-this-
the-tobacco-moment-f
or-cannabis-8349054.
html
http://www.independe nt.co.uk/life-style/ health-and-families/ health-news/is-this- the-tobacco-moment-f or-cannabis-8349054. html Dr Martin
  • Score: 1

4:47pm Mon 4 Aug 14

s1nnah says...

Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
I have no doubt in the future cannibas and Class A drugs will be legalised.
But if people think this will stop the criminals then think again.
We have seen what alcohol does to people and destroyed families then legalising drugs will bring a greater threat to not only families but to society. We see enough drug and drink drivers on our roads can you imagine if cannibas was legalised? This has been shown to effect drivers but that's my opinion and I respect other people's opinions that's what's good about forums like this people can agree to disagree.
So I will except the thumbs down with dignity.
seems to be stopping the criminals in colorado. crime is down 10% since legalisation and schools are being funded to the tune of millions with money raised by cannabis sales.

alcohol is not cannabis. Alcohol is a highly toxic drug with NO medical uses apart from as an antiseptic. Again drink drivers get the book thrown at them it should be no different for cannabis user. Of course conclusive studies into driving under the influence as cannabis stays in the system far longer than booze.

but please take a moment to research the effect cannabis is having on the community in colorado and washington. these are the only true reference we have when we look at what the landscape may look like after legalisation
[quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: I have no doubt in the future cannibas and Class A drugs will be legalised. But if people think this will stop the criminals then think again. We have seen what alcohol does to people and destroyed families then legalising drugs will bring a greater threat to not only families but to society. We see enough drug and drink drivers on our roads can you imagine if cannibas was legalised? This has been shown to effect drivers but that's my opinion and I respect other people's opinions that's what's good about forums like this people can agree to disagree. So I will except the thumbs down with dignity.[/p][/quote]seems to be stopping the criminals in colorado. crime is down 10% since legalisation and schools are being funded to the tune of millions with money raised by cannabis sales. alcohol is not cannabis. Alcohol is a highly toxic drug with NO medical uses apart from as an antiseptic. Again drink drivers get the book thrown at them it should be no different for cannabis user. Of course conclusive studies into driving under the influence as cannabis stays in the system far longer than booze. but please take a moment to research the effect cannabis is having on the community in colorado and washington. these are the only true reference we have when we look at what the landscape may look like after legalisation s1nnah
  • Score: -4

10:05pm Mon 4 Aug 14

trevc1 says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Tempestni wrote:
Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM.
One sure fire way to prove you have no faith in your convictions is to go on the attack.

I won my own company and take home well above £60k per yeAr, I have no agenda apart from to ensure that proper legislation in in place to protect my family and children from the affects of harmful substances such as this.

I welcome the ban on advertising tobacco, alcohol before average children's bedtimes and I certainly welcome the fact that proven mind altering drugs are illegal in this country.

My mother was a Mental Health nurse who often saw direct consequences of repeated Cannabis use.

My Aunt was also a Social Worker who had to deal with people who started out puffing a bit of weed and ended up on harder more dangerous drugs. She saw families ripped apart, children neglected and removed from their siblings to be rehoused in stable families.

Trevc1 however thinks that this is all scaremongering, that this drug can solve half of the monsters worlds problems and even contribute to world peace!!

Just be honest, do you all want to be able to smoke and cultivate the stuff without fear of prosecution??

It's a simple question, and I'll respect your honesty. What I won't respect is wilfully ignoring the issues above that are directly resultant of this drugs use.
hey laboursfoe.
we're fighting for much the same thing. we don;t want hardened criminals dealing to our kids either. its them that encourage kids from weed on to other drugs. a properly regulated market would enable a move away from that manner of criminality. right now, the only ID any kid needs has the queens pic on it to score. we want to change that!
yeah i would love to be able to home grow so that i know i'm getting decent stuff without paying through the nose for crap, substandard amounts that's putting money in to the hands of hardened criminals who are the scourge of our streets.
i would love to see the day when home growing is like home brewing.
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tempestni[/bold] wrote: Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM.[/p][/quote]One sure fire way to prove you have no faith in your convictions is to go on the attack. I won my own company and take home well above £60k per yeAr, I have no agenda apart from to ensure that proper legislation in in place to protect my family and children from the affects of harmful substances such as this. I welcome the ban on advertising tobacco, alcohol before average children's bedtimes and I certainly welcome the fact that proven mind altering drugs are illegal in this country. My mother was a Mental Health nurse who often saw direct consequences of repeated Cannabis use. My Aunt was also a Social Worker who had to deal with people who started out puffing a bit of weed and ended up on harder more dangerous drugs. She saw families ripped apart, children neglected and removed from their siblings to be rehoused in stable families. Trevc1 however thinks that this is all scaremongering, that this drug can solve half of the monsters worlds problems and even contribute to world peace!! Just be honest, do you all want to be able to smoke and cultivate the stuff without fear of prosecution?? It's a simple question, and I'll respect your honesty. What I won't respect is wilfully ignoring the issues above that are directly resultant of this drugs use.[/p][/quote]hey laboursfoe. we're fighting for much the same thing. we don;t want hardened criminals dealing to our kids either. its them that encourage kids from weed on to other drugs. a properly regulated market would enable a move away from that manner of criminality. right now, the only ID any kid needs has the queens pic on it to score. we want to change that! yeah i would love to be able to home grow so that i know i'm getting decent stuff without paying through the nose for crap, substandard amounts that's putting money in to the hands of hardened criminals who are the scourge of our streets. i would love to see the day when home growing is like home brewing. trevc1
  • Score: -4

10:16pm Mon 4 Aug 14

laboursfoe says...

trevc1 wrote:
laboursfoe wrote:
Tempestni wrote:
Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM.
One sure fire way to prove you have no faith in your convictions is to go on the attack.

I won my own company and take home well above £60k per yeAr, I have no agenda apart from to ensure that proper legislation in in place to protect my family and children from the affects of harmful substances such as this.

I welcome the ban on advertising tobacco, alcohol before average children's bedtimes and I certainly welcome the fact that proven mind altering drugs are illegal in this country.

My mother was a Mental Health nurse who often saw direct consequences of repeated Cannabis use.

My Aunt was also a Social Worker who had to deal with people who started out puffing a bit of weed and ended up on harder more dangerous drugs. She saw families ripped apart, children neglected and removed from their siblings to be rehoused in stable families.

Trevc1 however thinks that this is all scaremongering, that this drug can solve half of the monsters worlds problems and even contribute to world peace!!

Just be honest, do you all want to be able to smoke and cultivate the stuff without fear of prosecution??

It's a simple question, and I'll respect your honesty. What I won't respect is wilfully ignoring the issues above that are directly resultant of this drugs use.
hey laboursfoe.
we're fighting for much the same thing. we don;t want hardened criminals dealing to our kids either. its them that encourage kids from weed on to other drugs. a properly regulated market would enable a move away from that manner of criminality. right now, the only ID any kid needs has the queens pic on it to score. we want to change that!
yeah i would love to be able to home grow so that i know i'm getting decent stuff without paying through the nose for crap, substandard amounts that's putting money in to the hands of hardened criminals who are the scourge of our streets.
i would love to see the day when home growing is like home brewing.
You have ignored every issue I have raised apart .

This drug is a direct cause of many social and mental problems as I have indicated from first hand accounts by professionals that are forced to pick up the pieces.

You in your last comment have highlighted the distribution only and I can see where you are coming from.

The probl em is when it gets into people's lives, via either a criminal or legitimate avenue, it can cause absolute havoc to the users and more importantly innocents.
[quote][p][bold]trevc1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tempestni[/bold] wrote: Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM.[/p][/quote]One sure fire way to prove you have no faith in your convictions is to go on the attack. I won my own company and take home well above £60k per yeAr, I have no agenda apart from to ensure that proper legislation in in place to protect my family and children from the affects of harmful substances such as this. I welcome the ban on advertising tobacco, alcohol before average children's bedtimes and I certainly welcome the fact that proven mind altering drugs are illegal in this country. My mother was a Mental Health nurse who often saw direct consequences of repeated Cannabis use. My Aunt was also a Social Worker who had to deal with people who started out puffing a bit of weed and ended up on harder more dangerous drugs. She saw families ripped apart, children neglected and removed from their siblings to be rehoused in stable families. Trevc1 however thinks that this is all scaremongering, that this drug can solve half of the monsters worlds problems and even contribute to world peace!! Just be honest, do you all want to be able to smoke and cultivate the stuff without fear of prosecution?? It's a simple question, and I'll respect your honesty. What I won't respect is wilfully ignoring the issues above that are directly resultant of this drugs use.[/p][/quote]hey laboursfoe. we're fighting for much the same thing. we don;t want hardened criminals dealing to our kids either. its them that encourage kids from weed on to other drugs. a properly regulated market would enable a move away from that manner of criminality. right now, the only ID any kid needs has the queens pic on it to score. we want to change that! yeah i would love to be able to home grow so that i know i'm getting decent stuff without paying through the nose for crap, substandard amounts that's putting money in to the hands of hardened criminals who are the scourge of our streets. i would love to see the day when home growing is like home brewing.[/p][/quote]You have ignored every issue I have raised apart . This drug is a direct cause of many social and mental problems as I have indicated from first hand accounts by professionals that are forced to pick up the pieces. You in your last comment have highlighted the distribution only and I can see where you are coming from. The probl em is when it gets into people's lives, via either a criminal or legitimate avenue, it can cause absolute havoc to the users and more importantly innocents. laboursfoe
  • Score: 2

12:38am Tue 5 Aug 14

smokieR says...

casual links are purely that :)

What you are spouting is propaganda against legalisation that started a very long time ago! Infact so long ago the majority don't know why it was made illegal.

It has been used for centuries by people from all walks of life. Sure there may be people that act like di*ks who use it but if you examine those people closely you will find they are di*ks

Yes we all want our personal freedom back! Others may use tobacco or alcohol both of which have been proven to be far more damaging yet we are not allowed to cultivate something that grows so freely.
casual links are purely that :) What you are spouting is propaganda against legalisation that started a very long time ago! Infact so long ago the majority don't know why it was made illegal. It has been used for centuries by people from all walks of life. Sure there may be people that act like di*ks who use it but if you examine those people closely you will find they are di*ks Yes we all want our personal freedom back! Others may use tobacco or alcohol both of which have been proven to be far more damaging yet we are not allowed to cultivate something that grows so freely. smokieR
  • Score: 0

2:42pm Tue 5 Aug 14

trevc1 says...

laboursfoe wrote:
trevc1 wrote:
laboursfoe wrote:
Tempestni wrote:
Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM.
One sure fire way to prove you have no faith in your convictions is to go on the attack.

I won my own company and take home well above £60k per yeAr, I have no agenda apart from to ensure that proper legislation in in place to protect my family and children from the affects of harmful substances such as this.

I welcome the ban on advertising tobacco, alcohol before average children's bedtimes and I certainly welcome the fact that proven mind altering drugs are illegal in this country.

My mother was a Mental Health nurse who often saw direct consequences of repeated Cannabis use.

My Aunt was also a Social Worker who had to deal with people who started out puffing a bit of weed and ended up on harder more dangerous drugs. She saw families ripped apart, children neglected and removed from their siblings to be rehoused in stable families.

Trevc1 however thinks that this is all scaremongering, that this drug can solve half of the monsters worlds problems and even contribute to world peace!!

Just be honest, do you all want to be able to smoke and cultivate the stuff without fear of prosecution??

It's a simple question, and I'll respect your honesty. What I won't respect is wilfully ignoring the issues above that are directly resultant of this drugs use.
hey laboursfoe.
we're fighting for much the same thing. we don;t want hardened criminals dealing to our kids either. its them that encourage kids from weed on to other drugs. a properly regulated market would enable a move away from that manner of criminality. right now, the only ID any kid needs has the queens pic on it to score. we want to change that!
yeah i would love to be able to home grow so that i know i'm getting decent stuff without paying through the nose for crap, substandard amounts that's putting money in to the hands of hardened criminals who are the scourge of our streets.
i would love to see the day when home growing is like home brewing.
You have ignored every issue I have raised apart .

This drug is a direct cause of many social and mental problems as I have indicated from first hand accounts by professionals that are forced to pick up the pieces.

You in your last comment have highlighted the distribution only and I can see where you are coming from.

The probl em is when it gets into people's lives, via either a criminal or legitimate avenue, it can cause absolute havoc to the users and more importantly innocents.
actually mate, and no offence meant here, but you're talking utter crap!
for one thing the mental health issues are now being debunked by british universities.
the social harm is being created because of prohibition laws.
the only reason it messes people lives up is because of the illicit nature imposed by government. the rehab business is huge money! especially for a non addictive substance whose therapeutic value is now undeniable.
the validity of our argument for it as a recreational intoxicant was proved this weekend with zero arrests at our event. how many drink related arrests were made over the weekend though??
i'll tell you what, i'll make you a challenge. please come and view our pages and weigh up the evidence in favour of legalisation compared to what you've been told over the years and make up your own mind. british university studies are destroying every one of your arguments.

https://www.facebook
.com/TyneAndWearCC

https://www.facebook
.com/teessidecc
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trevc1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tempestni[/bold] wrote: Never have I seen so many ignorant, il-informed, scaremongering idiots posting comments, demonizing Cannabis. Probably paid shills working for the alcohol industry, the Home Office or the DM.[/p][/quote]One sure fire way to prove you have no faith in your convictions is to go on the attack. I won my own company and take home well above £60k per yeAr, I have no agenda apart from to ensure that proper legislation in in place to protect my family and children from the affects of harmful substances such as this. I welcome the ban on advertising tobacco, alcohol before average children's bedtimes and I certainly welcome the fact that proven mind altering drugs are illegal in this country. My mother was a Mental Health nurse who often saw direct consequences of repeated Cannabis use. My Aunt was also a Social Worker who had to deal with people who started out puffing a bit of weed and ended up on harder more dangerous drugs. She saw families ripped apart, children neglected and removed from their siblings to be rehoused in stable families. Trevc1 however thinks that this is all scaremongering, that this drug can solve half of the monsters worlds problems and even contribute to world peace!! Just be honest, do you all want to be able to smoke and cultivate the stuff without fear of prosecution?? It's a simple question, and I'll respect your honesty. What I won't respect is wilfully ignoring the issues above that are directly resultant of this drugs use.[/p][/quote]hey laboursfoe. we're fighting for much the same thing. we don;t want hardened criminals dealing to our kids either. its them that encourage kids from weed on to other drugs. a properly regulated market would enable a move away from that manner of criminality. right now, the only ID any kid needs has the queens pic on it to score. we want to change that! yeah i would love to be able to home grow so that i know i'm getting decent stuff without paying through the nose for crap, substandard amounts that's putting money in to the hands of hardened criminals who are the scourge of our streets. i would love to see the day when home growing is like home brewing.[/p][/quote]You have ignored every issue I have raised apart . This drug is a direct cause of many social and mental problems as I have indicated from first hand accounts by professionals that are forced to pick up the pieces. You in your last comment have highlighted the distribution only and I can see where you are coming from. The probl em is when it gets into people's lives, via either a criminal or legitimate avenue, it can cause absolute havoc to the users and more importantly innocents.[/p][/quote]actually mate, and no offence meant here, but you're talking utter crap! for one thing the mental health issues are now being debunked by british universities. the social harm is being created because of prohibition laws. the only reason it messes people lives up is because of the illicit nature imposed by government. the rehab business is huge money! especially for a non addictive substance whose therapeutic value is now undeniable. the validity of our argument for it as a recreational intoxicant was proved this weekend with zero arrests at our event. how many drink related arrests were made over the weekend though?? i'll tell you what, i'll make you a challenge. please come and view our pages and weigh up the evidence in favour of legalisation compared to what you've been told over the years and make up your own mind. british university studies are destroying every one of your arguments. https://www.facebook .com/TyneAndWearCC https://www.facebook .com/teessidecc trevc1
  • Score: -1

1:35am Wed 6 Aug 14

Dr Martin says...

"Yes we all want our personal freedom back! "

Stoners want to be stoned!
"Yes we all want our personal freedom back! " Stoners want to be stoned! Dr Martin
  • Score: 7

3:13pm Thu 7 Aug 14

studio says...

"Ive been smoking cannabis since i was 18 and i`m not a criminal"

The Irony!

Stoners.
"Ive been smoking cannabis since i was 18 and i`m not a criminal" The Irony! Stoners. studio
  • Score: 5

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree