Police called to public meeting over village development proposals as tempers fray

Police called to public meeting over village development proposals as tempers fray

PLANS BACKLASH: Residents from Middleton St George on the green field play area of the village where the parish council have proposed to build upon. Picture: CHRIS BOOTH (8202739)

PLANS BACKLASH: Residents from Middleton St George on the green field play area of the village where the parish council have proposed to build upon. Picture: CHRIS BOOTH (8202737)

First published in News

A GROUP of parents have insisted they will fight proposals to develop shops and a medical centre on their village playing field, following a heated public consultation meeting.

Police were called to defuse an angry situation at a drop-in meeting held in Middleton St George as tempers flared over proposals from the parish council.

A number of residents were particularly upset over the possibility of the loss of the playing field, which they say is a well used facility and vital to the village.

One man, who children have used the playing field for several years, described the plans as ‘lunacy’ and said there were plenty of other places in the village for a medical centre to be built.

Parish chairwoman Doris Jones said “one or two” people at the meeting had behaved in a “yobbish” fashion, but that it would not stop the parish council coming up with a development plan that would benefit the whole village.

The parish council has been working on a legal document, a neighbourhood plan, which outlines acceptable development in the village up to 2025, in the hope of preventing large housing estates being built on local greenfield sites.

The drop-in session on Saturday was the first time the village had been given the chance to see the proposals in full and was intended to give people the opportunity to give their views, positive and negative, on the ideas.

The key element of the proposal is to use part of the playing field to build shops and a medical centre with associated parking, while retaining the play equipment.

Colin Brown, who lives close to the playing field, said a lot of people were upset at the thought of losing the playing field to any type of building.

He said: “This is the last piece of green space in the village. Someone said the field is not well used, but after school and on a weekend it’s full of kids. We don’t need any more shops.

“If we do need a medical centre, why can’t it be built somewhere else? This wouldn’t happen in Hurworth or Sadberge.”

Morris Dulston, who also lives close to the playing field, added: “This village should remain a village with village green. Parades of shops in other places mean anti-social behaviour.”

Councillor Jones said she could understand parents being worried about the loss of the playing field and added: “It is their right to protest that, but the whole point of the meeting was to enable us to consult with residents and hear their views.

“All they had to do was come in, look at the options and give their response but some just wanted to stand and fight. We will not be bullied or kow-towed by the actions of a small minority, we will do what is right for this village.”

Asked if the parish council would press ahead with the proposals, she said: “We will look at the consultation responses and see what people had to say. We won’t be put off by bad behaviour, we will take all views into consideration when we update the plan.”

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7:47pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Catherine Gilsenan says...

This was not a "small minority", but a large representation of villagers who were simply expressing their deep concerns over the way in which the plans have been drawn up. They were not bullying Doris, but expressing how they felt. We will fight the plans. We need to retain the field.
This was not a "small minority", but a large representation of villagers who were simply expressing their deep concerns over the way in which the plans have been drawn up. They were not bullying Doris, but expressing how they felt. We will fight the plans. We need to retain the field. Catherine Gilsenan
  • Score: 35

8:29pm Mon 14 Jul 14

LUSTARD says...

Catherine Gilsenan wrote:
This was not a "small minority", but a large representation of villagers who were simply expressing their deep concerns over the way in which the plans have been drawn up. They were not bullying Doris, but expressing how they felt. We will fight the plans. We need to retain the field.
she says it will not stop her coming up with a developement plan, you can give your views positive or negative, or go complain to a brick wall.
[quote][p][bold]Catherine Gilsenan[/bold] wrote: This was not a "small minority", but a large representation of villagers who were simply expressing their deep concerns over the way in which the plans have been drawn up. They were not bullying Doris, but expressing how they felt. We will fight the plans. We need to retain the field.[/p][/quote]she says it will not stop her coming up with a developement plan, you can give your views positive or negative, or go complain to a brick wall. LUSTARD
  • Score: 25

9:55pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Nev012 says...

The park is used by young children, there is a fantastic tree which older children climb and the field is used to play football by older children and teenagers. Why not build the medical centre at the reservoir where they intend to build a play area (not very smart building a play area near open water!).
The park is used by young children, there is a fantastic tree which older children climb and the field is used to play football by older children and teenagers. Why not build the medical centre at the reservoir where they intend to build a play area (not very smart building a play area near open water!). Nev012
  • Score: 42

9:56pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Byebyedoris! says...

It's about time Doris jones went into retirement! We do not need a councillor who has a distorted view of her residents wants and needs.

So for the record Doris my view is to leave our village alone and if you don't like it, then step down...

You have done nothing for our village what happened to all the promises of raised flower beds on the train station and parking, now we have bollards and cars all on the road parked up.
It's about time Doris jones went into retirement! We do not need a councillor who has a distorted view of her residents wants and needs. So for the record Doris my view is to leave our village alone and if you don't like it, then step down... You have done nothing for our village what happened to all the promises of raised flower beds on the train station and parking, now we have bollards and cars all on the road parked up. Byebyedoris!
  • Score: 44

10:14pm Mon 14 Jul 14

MST1975 says...

It's not really a village anymore, more an overgrown housing estate.
It's not really a village anymore, more an overgrown housing estate. MST1975
  • Score: 34

10:17pm Mon 14 Jul 14

msgresident says...

It really does take a special kind of ineptitude to turn a community united behind the common cause of controlling excessive residential development, into a community so at odds with its elected ‘representatives
.

This was not a public meeting to discuss a strategic decision to close a local school based on the greater good of the wider Local Authority area. This was a public meeting to discuss a Local Development Plan supposedly prepared on our behalf.

Perhaps the Councilors should take this opportunity to reflect on just how badly they have got this wrong. Stirring up the community’s vitriol through such unrelenting arrogance as demonstrated both at the meeting and again in this article, is surely not a constructive way of moving this forward.

If not, then perhaps the Councilors had better understand the process for adopting this piece of policy and its reliance on a public, community referendum. In the face of such overwhelming opposition, pressing ahead with something that is so obviously doomed to fail, calls in to question the judgment of the Councilors and perhaps more importantly their ability to control public money. We won’t forget come election time!
It really does take a special kind of ineptitude to turn a community united behind the common cause of controlling excessive residential development, into a community so at odds with its elected ‘representatives . This was not a public meeting to discuss a strategic decision to close a local school based on the greater good of the wider Local Authority area. This was a public meeting to discuss a Local Development Plan supposedly prepared on our behalf. Perhaps the Councilors should take this opportunity to reflect on just how badly they have got this wrong. Stirring up the community’s vitriol through such unrelenting arrogance as demonstrated both at the meeting and again in this article, is surely not a constructive way of moving this forward. If not, then perhaps the Councilors had better understand the process for adopting this piece of policy and its reliance on a public, community referendum. In the face of such overwhelming opposition, pressing ahead with something that is so obviously doomed to fail, calls in to question the judgment of the Councilors and perhaps more importantly their ability to control public money. We won’t forget come election time! msgresident
  • Score: 46

10:19pm Mon 14 Jul 14

StopScaremongeringCouncillors says...

Disappointed this article is focusing on the very few who responded inappropriately to a very emotive subject rather than the how the majority of village voices are being ignored (sending a questionnaire to 120 people in a village of 5000 people is not representative Doris) sweeping statements such as the park is barely used (again, where is the data for this??? We use it every day, as do many of the other families in the village) to make it appear that it's a required 'investment' when it is simply just another way to line council pockets and the disgraceful use of scaremongering techniques and propoganda of statements such as 'dont agree to this and who knows what you'll get...,'. Its about time the parish council provided transparency to the process they are following (including what they are paying the MD2 consultants and where this is being funded from) and invite and record ALL voices...not just those that fit with and support their pre-determined plans. We, the villagers, are pleading with you to save what is the heart and soul of
our community.
Disappointed this article is focusing on the very few who responded inappropriately to a very emotive subject rather than the how the majority of village voices are being ignored (sending a questionnaire to 120 people in a village of 5000 people is not representative Doris) sweeping statements such as the park is barely used (again, where is the data for this??? We use it every day, as do many of the other families in the village) to make it appear that it's a required 'investment' when it is simply just another way to line council pockets and the disgraceful use of scaremongering techniques and propoganda of statements such as 'dont agree to this and who knows what you'll get...,'. Its about time the parish council provided transparency to the process they are following (including what they are paying the MD2 consultants and where this is being funded from) and invite and record ALL voices...not just those that fit with and support their pre-determined plans. We, the villagers, are pleading with you to save what is the heart and soul of our community. StopScaremongeringCouncillors
  • Score: 40

10:20pm Mon 14 Jul 14

msgresident says...

Ha or Councillors even. Blasted American autocorrect :-)
Ha or Councillors even. Blasted American autocorrect :-) msgresident
  • Score: 1

1:11am Tue 15 Jul 14

rockfordIL says...

Shops? On the works field? My parents had a shop. Remember Madden's? Remember Bowes and Dossas? No one wanted to shop there. Peter Gardners butchers? Two pubs? Havelock and Kilinghall? Two fish and chip shops, Doreen Middleton and Annie Green?
Shops? On the works field? My parents had a shop. Remember Madden's? Remember Bowes and Dossas? No one wanted to shop there. Peter Gardners butchers? Two pubs? Havelock and Kilinghall? Two fish and chip shops, Doreen Middleton and Annie Green? rockfordIL
  • Score: 16

7:01am Tue 15 Jul 14

Theodorepwildebeast says...

Ever tried to get Doris Jones to act on your behalf in her elected capacity?
It doesn't happen.
Ever tried to get Doris Jones to act on your behalf in her elected capacity? It doesn't happen. Theodorepwildebeast
  • Score: 21

8:37am Tue 15 Jul 14

darloboss says...

dithering doris and bumbleing brian never seem to grasp the point just go
dithering doris and bumbleing brian never seem to grasp the point just go darloboss
  • Score: 18

8:39am Tue 15 Jul 14

359282 says...

Does this have anything to do with the possibility of the existing doctors surgery being threatened with closure ? I was in there this week and saw a petition regarding it's threatened closure and movement to darlington
Does this have anything to do with the possibility of the existing doctors surgery being threatened with closure ? I was in there this week and saw a petition regarding it's threatened closure and movement to darlington 359282
  • Score: 8

10:50am Tue 15 Jul 14

cabrown5 says...

Dear Doris, time to take a long hard look in the mirror and realise that its all over. Lunacy is a mild form of describing your attitude towards the village. You may have lived here for 35 years, but that DOES NOT MEAN YOU KNOW what's best. Your problem is and always has been you DO NOT listen. MSG stood up on Saturday and told you what they thought of these proposed plans. How much did it cost to engage the consultants who dreamed this concept up? Where did the money come from? Where do you propose to get the money to do any development. Your council has an inherent culture of poor maintenance at best over the last few years. Compared to Hurworth and Sadberge we are away behind. We have a village shop who have just invested in space and growth for the village and you want to build more shops, what else do we need, none of them would be competitive with Morrisons only down the road, after a year, they close down and become empty and the space is then useless and then vandalised, spray painted and a gathering place for yobs. You want this for the Village centre? You want the hard working people who pay a lot of money to live here and chose to live here especially given the current economic climate we live in to have to put up with that?? Your threat that the surgery might leave the village, for months now it was always planned that the doctors would move to the land off yarm road owned by one of the GP's. Why the sudden change and why the rush? You have not consulted with the community, you have not knocked on doors and basically all you have done now is create a cohesive community against its elected parish council officials who don't seem to know what do for the village. Time for change, please do the honourable thing and scrap this lunacy or the village will stand up and ask you by a majority vote to step down and that would be very shameful for you having served the village for such along time. In life you are sometimes forgotten for the good that one does and never forgotten for the bad that one does. Please don't be remembered for the person who tried to destroy a village by such a stupid idea as this. PS.. If it is really a coffee shop that you crave, there are many other places in the village for a coffee shop. PPS... Do you believe building a children's play area near open water in a quite area is a good thing? If a child drowned as a result of this how would you feel? PPPS, the waste of money you spent on these consultants, would it not have been better to enhance the play area and provide it with the much needed maintenance it requires?
Dear Doris, time to take a long hard look in the mirror and realise that its all over. Lunacy is a mild form of describing your attitude towards the village. You may have lived here for 35 years, but that DOES NOT MEAN YOU KNOW what's best. Your problem is and always has been you DO NOT listen. MSG stood up on Saturday and told you what they thought of these proposed plans. How much did it cost to engage the consultants who dreamed this concept up? Where did the money come from? Where do you propose to get the money to do any development. Your council has an inherent culture of poor maintenance at best over the last few years. Compared to Hurworth and Sadberge we are away behind. We have a village shop who have just invested in space and growth for the village and you want to build more shops, what else do we need, none of them would be competitive with Morrisons only down the road, after a year, they close down and become empty and the space is then useless and then vandalised, spray painted and a gathering place for yobs. You want this for the Village centre? You want the hard working people who pay a lot of money to live here and chose to live here especially given the current economic climate we live in to have to put up with that?? Your threat that the surgery might leave the village, for months now it was always planned that the doctors would move to the land off yarm road owned by one of the GP's. Why the sudden change and why the rush? You have not consulted with the community, you have not knocked on doors and basically all you have done now is create a cohesive community against its elected parish council officials who don't seem to know what do for the village. Time for change, please do the honourable thing and scrap this lunacy or the village will stand up and ask you by a majority vote to step down and that would be very shameful for you having served the village for such along time. In life you are sometimes forgotten for the good that one does and never forgotten for the bad that one does. Please don't be remembered for the person who tried to destroy a village by such a stupid idea as this. PS.. If it is really a coffee shop that you crave, there are many other places in the village for a coffee shop. PPS... Do you believe building a children's play area near open water in a quite area is a good thing? If a child drowned as a result of this how would you feel? PPPS, the waste of money you spent on these consultants, would it not have been better to enhance the play area and provide it with the much needed maintenance it requires? cabrown5
  • Score: 26

11:57am Tue 15 Jul 14

Common5ense says...

What a misleading headline. The Parish Council have proposed the most conversational plans possible. They are not working in the villages best interests and do not seem to have a shred of common sense between them. Its a typical case of MSG vs MOR residents where the later has more influence due to their connections. MOR is the village that needs shops ans amenities so the residents do not place strain on the current MSG facilities, not MSG. The fight to stop the houses in MOR was successful and developers have not appealed, but somehow they have for the development in MSG. 75 houses vs 250 houses is a big difference. It seems they have put more effort in stopping the MOR development than they should have and are now in this situation. Not one suggestion has been made to develop precious MOR. Disgraceful!
What a misleading headline. The Parish Council have proposed the most conversational plans possible. They are not working in the villages best interests and do not seem to have a shred of common sense between them. Its a typical case of MSG vs MOR residents where the later has more influence due to their connections. MOR is the village that needs shops ans amenities so the residents do not place strain on the current MSG facilities, not MSG. The fight to stop the houses in MOR was successful and developers have not appealed, but somehow they have for the development in MSG. 75 houses vs 250 houses is a big difference. It seems they have put more effort in stopping the MOR development than they should have and are now in this situation. Not one suggestion has been made to develop precious MOR. Disgraceful! Common5ense
  • Score: 17

2:08pm Tue 15 Jul 14

StopScaremongeringCouncillors says...

A little humility goes a long way..... time for Doris and others to at least recognise that this process has failed.... to admit that transparency is needed.... to engage and represent the villagers more...and then and only then, begin to forumate a neighbourhood plan that would be welcomed and supported by the majority.
A little humility goes a long way..... time for Doris and others to at least recognise that this process has failed.... to admit that transparency is needed.... to engage and represent the villagers more...and then and only then, begin to forumate a neighbourhood plan that would be welcomed and supported by the majority. StopScaremongeringCouncillors
  • Score: 15

2:23pm Tue 15 Jul 14

StopScaremongeringCouncillors says...

And in addition, I am saddened to read/hear that Doris is 'hitting back' at any one who is not in support of the plans as being 'bullies and demonstrating yobbish behaviour'.... Both my husband and I are in respected professional roles and do not take kindly to insults such as these. Those who disagree have good reason.
And in addition, I am saddened to read/hear that Doris is 'hitting back' at any one who is not in support of the plans as being 'bullies and demonstrating yobbish behaviour'.... Both my husband and I are in respected professional roles and do not take kindly to insults such as these. Those who disagree have good reason. StopScaremongeringCouncillors
  • Score: 24

3:17pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Theodorepwildebeast says...

It's obvious the developers will get their way, as decent kickbacks will obviously be the order of the day. Interesting to know where she's finding the investment for the waterpark and village centre from?
It's obvious the developers will get their way, as decent kickbacks will obviously be the order of the day. Interesting to know where she's finding the investment for the waterpark and village centre from? Theodorepwildebeast
  • Score: 14

3:47pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Gillymott says...

Are you against the proposed development on MSG Village green field?
Please, please sign petition to stop development on the field! See link to petition:

http://chn.ge/1nCHpX
F

RE: Petitioning Doris Jones
Save Middleton St George Village Green Playing Field from Building and Development both now and in the future by Registering it with Fields in Trust (Patron HM Queen Elizabeth)

Thanks one & all....Together we can save our village field!

Cath, Mike & Chris Gilsenan
Are you against the proposed development on MSG Village green field? Please, please sign petition to stop development on the field! See link to petition: http://chn.ge/1nCHpX F RE: Petitioning Doris Jones Save Middleton St George Village Green Playing Field from Building and Development both now and in the future by Registering it with Fields in Trust (Patron HM Queen Elizabeth) Thanks one & all....Together we can save our village field! Cath, Mike & Chris Gilsenan Gillymott
  • Score: 16

6:18pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Pleaselistentous says...

My wife and I attended the meeting and feelings were high, but quite rightly so for such a foolhardy and amateurish way things were presented. The posters suggesting that there are only two options A: the Doris Jones way or B: let developers do anything they want is untrue and misleading. It is the first time I have met Doris Jones as we are fairly new comers to MSG and I was not impressed with her style of communication.
Nothing is gained by building on the only piece of green area as said above "...in the hope of preventing large housing estates being built on local greenfield sites". So we still have the developers looking to build. As others have said shops will turn into a run-down area very quickly, look at any of the small developments of concrete rows of shops in and around the area. The presentation showed a Bakers and Butchers etc. Really, I do wonder at how naïve Doris et al think we are. But if in doubt Doris call those in disagreement a small minority of trouble makers. Please listen to us, we do not want your ideas. Start again.
ps I did not agree with the way it was suggested that in two years time there could be no Medical Surgery if the new build on the green isn't adopted. On speaking to the Practice Manager it is a very long process of applying for funds and it is only one year down a three year route, so not as suggested.
My wife and I attended the meeting and feelings were high, but quite rightly so for such a foolhardy and amateurish way things were presented. The posters suggesting that there are only two options A: the Doris Jones way or B: let developers do anything they want is untrue and misleading. It is the first time I have met Doris Jones as we are fairly new comers to MSG and I was not impressed with her style of communication. Nothing is gained by building on the only piece of green area as said above "...in the hope of preventing large housing estates being built on local greenfield sites". So we still have the developers looking to build. As others have said shops will turn into a run-down area very quickly, look at any of the small developments of concrete rows of shops in and around the area. The presentation showed a Bakers and Butchers etc. Really, I do wonder at how naïve Doris et al think we are. But if in doubt Doris call those in disagreement a small minority of trouble makers. Please listen to us, we do not want your ideas. Start again. ps I did not agree with the way it was suggested that in two years time there could be no Medical Surgery if the new build on the green isn't adopted. On speaking to the Practice Manager it is a very long process of applying for funds and it is only one year down a three year route, so not as suggested. Pleaselistentous
  • Score: 20

11:49pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Catherine Gilsenan says...

StopScaremongeringCo
uncillors
wrote:
Disappointed this article is focusing on the very few who responded inappropriately to a very emotive subject rather than the how the majority of village voices are being ignored (sending a questionnaire to 120 people in a village of 5000 people is not representative Doris) sweeping statements such as the park is barely used (again, where is the data for this??? We use it every day, as do many of the other families in the village) to make it appear that it's a required 'investment' when it is simply just another way to line council pockets and the disgraceful use of scaremongering techniques and propoganda of statements such as 'dont agree to this and who knows what you'll get...,'. Its about time the parish council provided transparency to the process they are following (including what they are paying the MD2 consultants and where this is being funded from) and invite and record ALL voices...not just those that fit with and support their pre-determined plans. We, the villagers, are pleading with you to save what is the heart and soul of
our community.
Just to set the record straight, the original questionnaire was on the back of the Middleton Messenger, posted through every door in the village. Unfortunately, the Parish Council only received 120 replies. But the questions were very vague (more like "What would you like to see in the Village?") and they were, at that time, chiefly in response to the barrage of housing development applications. It was only the start of the process. The questions were not specific enough. However, that said, I do not think that these responses were representative enough to base a consultation on, and then come up with the proposals we have ended up with. It has not been handled correctly at all. MD2 must have been working with the Parish Council for a while to come up with these "polished" plans. They certainly look serious, and definite. If they were only meant to be suggestions to be commented on, they should have looked more like drafts (and not something which must have cost a lot to produce).
[quote][p][bold]StopScaremongeringCo uncillors[/bold] wrote: Disappointed this article is focusing on the very few who responded inappropriately to a very emotive subject rather than the how the majority of village voices are being ignored (sending a questionnaire to 120 people in a village of 5000 people is not representative Doris) sweeping statements such as the park is barely used (again, where is the data for this??? We use it every day, as do many of the other families in the village) to make it appear that it's a required 'investment' when it is simply just another way to line council pockets and the disgraceful use of scaremongering techniques and propoganda of statements such as 'dont agree to this and who knows what you'll get...,'. Its about time the parish council provided transparency to the process they are following (including what they are paying the MD2 consultants and where this is being funded from) and invite and record ALL voices...not just those that fit with and support their pre-determined plans. We, the villagers, are pleading with you to save what is the heart and soul of our community.[/p][/quote]Just to set the record straight, the original questionnaire was on the back of the Middleton Messenger, posted through every door in the village. Unfortunately, the Parish Council only received 120 replies. But the questions were very vague (more like "What would you like to see in the Village?") and they were, at that time, chiefly in response to the barrage of housing development applications. It was only the start of the process. The questions were not specific enough. However, that said, I do not think that these responses were representative enough to base a consultation on, and then come up with the proposals we have ended up with. It has not been handled correctly at all. MD2 must have been working with the Parish Council for a while to come up with these "polished" plans. They certainly look serious, and definite. If they were only meant to be suggestions to be commented on, they should have looked more like drafts (and not something which must have cost a lot to produce). Catherine Gilsenan
  • Score: 6

8:28am Wed 16 Jul 14

Sam9000 says...

Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village.
I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation.
If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are.
Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors.
Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated.
It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!!
The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go?
Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable......
Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village. I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation. If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are. Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors. Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated. It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!! The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go? Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable...... Sam9000
  • Score: -14

10:36am Wed 16 Jul 14

msg expat says...

Sam9000 wrote:
Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village.
I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation.
If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are.
Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors.
Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated.
It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!!
The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go?
Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable......
Sam, the doctors surgery can go on the land that backs onto the railway tracks as has been suggested above. The one site that is crying out to be developed/improved is the Water Park. If we have to have more shops (and that's debatable) then why not put them there? There's space to build in front or beside the Community Centre or better still, flatten the lot and start again and build something that enhances the Water Park.
The country needs more housing and like it or not MSG is in a prime location so you're right to say that development is inevitable, it will happen, but NOT at the expense of a playing field in the heart of the village. There's room to grow on the village outskirts and when that happens the playing field will be an even more cherished facility than it is now.
[quote][p][bold]Sam9000[/bold] wrote: Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village. I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation. If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are. Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors. Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated. It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!! The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go? Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable......[/p][/quote]Sam, the doctors surgery can go on the land that backs onto the railway tracks as has been suggested above. The one site that is crying out to be developed/improved is the Water Park. If we have to have more shops (and that's debatable) then why not put them there? There's space to build in front or beside the Community Centre or better still, flatten the lot and start again and build something that enhances the Water Park. The country needs more housing and like it or not MSG is in a prime location so you're right to say that development is inevitable, it will happen, but NOT at the expense of a playing field in the heart of the village. There's room to grow on the village outskirts and when that happens the playing field will be an even more cherished facility than it is now. msg expat
  • Score: 10

11:21am Wed 16 Jul 14

cabrown5 says...

msg expat wrote:
Sam9000 wrote:
Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village.
I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation.
If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are.
Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors.
Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated.
It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!!
The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go?
Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable......
Sam, the doctors surgery can go on the land that backs onto the railway tracks as has been suggested above. The one site that is crying out to be developed/improved is the Water Park. If we have to have more shops (and that's debatable) then why not put them there? There's space to build in front or beside the Community Centre or better still, flatten the lot and start again and build something that enhances the Water Park.
The country needs more housing and like it or not MSG is in a prime location so you're right to say that development is inevitable, it will happen, but NOT at the expense of a playing field in the heart of the village. There's room to grow on the village outskirts and when that happens the playing field will be an even more cherished facility than it is now.
Sam you don't happen to be in this with Doris do you? Really you want the field flattened and shops and a medical centre built? Do you realise this is not a surgery but a medical centre that will capture and field services for part of east darlington as well, hence the reason for the fancy bus stop on the proposed plans, yeah they want to bus them in and out = more traffic flow and higher risk of road traffic accidents for our existing residents and children? The Field is not used, come on where do you live, it is used every day, redevelop the water park or the land off yarm road but not the village green. Please specify what shops you want that don't exist. Morrisons are down the road and no small shop with a major supermarket only 5 mins away is going to be competitive. I also take insult to the comment small minded people. Are you talking about yourself or the many professional people who live in the village who stood up on Saturday and said no way, please be clear on this?? The Parish Council clearly have small minds if this is the best that they can do. How is it small minded to protect the only piece of green land left in the village centre from having heavy bus traffic on it, a medical centre, shops that will do no business and move a childrens play area to a water park that is secluded from view, has water has a major hazard with a risk of drowning. The idea of a village green playing field is for the community to gather, meet, chat and the let the kids play. I agree from time to time there has been anti social behaviour there, but again this has been mitigated in part by better and more proactive community policing. Fact the parish council quietly sent out flyers that probably most people did not read, Fact they did not knock on doors in the village and this plan and engagement of consultants has been here for some time, what a total waste of money engaging consultants who want to rip up the village green, was that money not better spent on maintenance of the playground and village green? There are other places in the village to rip up and modernise. So please like I said to Doris look hard in the mirror and ask yourself do you want to rip up the playing field for a coffee shop and a Medical Centre, not a surgery? Also ask yourself the question why did the surgery change from Yarm road to the playing field at the last minute? This has been in the planning for a while, whilst most of us agree some things need improved and expanded and lets face it the developers will build on the out skirts, it will happen, but there is only wrong in the decision of the village green, it will end in tears. Why will the developers not build a medical centre and shops as part of their development of the A67, why because no one would buy the houses around them for fear of what everyone is talking about in this post. So why should I a resident of the village for 10 years who lives opposite the green equally want it on my doorstep if a developer doesn't and the council cannot force them. I am more than prepared to travel to Darlington to see a Doctor if need be, so the scaremongering needs to stop. The Parish council have opened a can of worms that is going to be quite hard to put the lid back on, but equally we have now seen a side to the parish council that we don't like. Sometimes Change is a good thing and I believe its coming, we don't need a plan implemented on behalf of the residents but a plan that involves all of the residents in its creation and execution and a better communications strategy from the council to the residents of the village. No the Dictator Approach we have now!!
[quote][p][bold]msg expat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sam9000[/bold] wrote: Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village. I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation. If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are. Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors. Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated. It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!! The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go? Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable......[/p][/quote]Sam, the doctors surgery can go on the land that backs onto the railway tracks as has been suggested above. The one site that is crying out to be developed/improved is the Water Park. If we have to have more shops (and that's debatable) then why not put them there? There's space to build in front or beside the Community Centre or better still, flatten the lot and start again and build something that enhances the Water Park. The country needs more housing and like it or not MSG is in a prime location so you're right to say that development is inevitable, it will happen, but NOT at the expense of a playing field in the heart of the village. There's room to grow on the village outskirts and when that happens the playing field will be an even more cherished facility than it is now.[/p][/quote]Sam you don't happen to be in this with Doris do you? Really you want the field flattened and shops and a medical centre built? Do you realise this is not a surgery but a medical centre that will capture and field services for part of east darlington as well, hence the reason for the fancy bus stop on the proposed plans, yeah they want to bus them in and out = more traffic flow and higher risk of road traffic accidents for our existing residents and children? The Field is not used, come on where do you live, it is used every day, redevelop the water park or the land off yarm road but not the village green. Please specify what shops you want that don't exist. Morrisons are down the road and no small shop with a major supermarket only 5 mins away is going to be competitive. I also take insult to the comment small minded people. Are you talking about yourself or the many professional people who live in the village who stood up on Saturday and said no way, please be clear on this?? The Parish Council clearly have small minds if this is the best that they can do. How is it small minded to protect the only piece of green land left in the village centre from having heavy bus traffic on it, a medical centre, shops that will do no business and move a childrens play area to a water park that is secluded from view, has water has a major hazard with a risk of drowning. The idea of a village green playing field is for the community to gather, meet, chat and the let the kids play. I agree from time to time there has been anti social behaviour there, but again this has been mitigated in part by better and more proactive community policing. Fact the parish council quietly sent out flyers that probably most people did not read, Fact they did not knock on doors in the village and this plan and engagement of consultants has been here for some time, what a total waste of money engaging consultants who want to rip up the village green, was that money not better spent on maintenance of the playground and village green? There are other places in the village to rip up and modernise. So please like I said to Doris look hard in the mirror and ask yourself do you want to rip up the playing field for a coffee shop and a Medical Centre, not a surgery? Also ask yourself the question why did the surgery change from Yarm road to the playing field at the last minute? This has been in the planning for a while, whilst most of us agree some things need improved and expanded and lets face it the developers will build on the out skirts, it will happen, but there is only wrong in the decision of the village green, it will end in tears. Why will the developers not build a medical centre and shops as part of their development of the A67, why because no one would buy the houses around them for fear of what everyone is talking about in this post. So why should I a resident of the village for 10 years who lives opposite the green equally want it on my doorstep if a developer doesn't and the council cannot force them. I am more than prepared to travel to Darlington to see a Doctor if need be, so the scaremongering needs to stop. The Parish council have opened a can of worms that is going to be quite hard to put the lid back on, but equally we have now seen a side to the parish council that we don't like. Sometimes Change is a good thing and I believe its coming, we don't need a plan implemented on behalf of the residents but a plan that involves all of the residents in its creation and execution and a better communications strategy from the council to the residents of the village. No the Dictator Approach we have now!! cabrown5
  • Score: 9

11:42am Wed 16 Jul 14

ianh says...

So the people of MSG have had the audacity to challenge the views of Cllr D Jones. Dont you know that she is always right?
No alternate views are ever worthy of consideration....

The self importance and arrogance of a cllr in post for too long a time.
So the people of MSG have had the audacity to challenge the views of Cllr D Jones. Dont you know that she is always right? No alternate views are ever worthy of consideration.... The self importance and arrogance of a cllr in post for too long a time. ianh
  • Score: 9

12:14pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Common5ense says...

Sam9000 wrote:
Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village.
I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation.
If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are.
Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors.
Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated.
It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!!
The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go?
Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable......
You sound like you live in MOR where this isn't affecting you.

Common sense dictates that locals shops would not survive next to a supermarket 5mins away. A true reflection of a proper democratic voting system for this situation would be to include ONLY those who live in MSG. Send a coherent leaflet through everyone's letterbox to vote on the matter. Make it a simple YES or NO to the shopping development on the playing field.

You will then get a true reflection of the villagers of MSG on the matter

Its not rocket science :)
[quote][p][bold]Sam9000[/bold] wrote: Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village. I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation. If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are. Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors. Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated. It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!! The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go? Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable......[/p][/quote]You sound like you live in MOR where this isn't affecting you. Common sense dictates that locals shops would not survive next to a supermarket 5mins away. A true reflection of a proper democratic voting system for this situation would be to include ONLY those who live in MSG. Send a coherent leaflet through everyone's letterbox to vote on the matter. Make it a simple YES or NO to the shopping development on the playing field. You will then get a true reflection of the villagers of MSG on the matter Its not rocket science :) Common5ense
  • Score: 11

12:45pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Sam9000 says...

Cabrown5 "So why should I a resident of the village for 10 years who lives opposite the green "....that says it all....


Common5ense
"Common sense dictates that locals shops would not survive next to a supermarket 5mins away. A true reflection of a proper democratic voting system for this situation would be to include ONLY those who live in MSG. Send a coherent leaflet through everyone's letterbox to vote on the matter. Make it a simple YES or NO to the shopping development on the playing field",

I partly agree with your comments, however, look at similar villages and communities, butchers, bakeries, coffee shops are slowly coming back, and as everyone gets older surely it must be good to walk to a surgery.
If only life was as simple as yes and no.....if people proposed better, meaningful alternatives presented in the correct manner I am certain they would be listened too.

cabrown 5 also makes some valid points too as regards to alternative positions and again am certain if valid and a competent proposal was put forward it would I have to be considered. But the argument o kids hanging round a shop and increased traffic is not a valid argument as these issues can easily be managed. At the end of the day there is only one issue....no one likes change....!!!!

Anyway Im nipping off back home to Aislaby for my dinner as there isn't a café in MSG...ha ha...
Cabrown5 "So why should I a resident of the village for 10 years who lives opposite the green "....that says it all.... Common5ense "Common sense dictates that locals shops would not survive next to a supermarket 5mins away. A true reflection of a proper democratic voting system for this situation would be to include ONLY those who live in MSG. Send a coherent leaflet through everyone's letterbox to vote on the matter. Make it a simple YES or NO to the shopping development on the playing field", I partly agree with your comments, however, look at similar villages and communities, butchers, bakeries, coffee shops are slowly coming back, and as everyone gets older surely it must be good to walk to a surgery. If only life was as simple as yes and no.....if people proposed better, meaningful alternatives presented in the correct manner I am certain they would be listened too. cabrown 5 also makes some valid points too as regards to alternative positions and again am certain if valid and a competent proposal was put forward it would I have to be considered. But the argument o kids hanging round a shop and increased traffic is not a valid argument as these issues can easily be managed. At the end of the day there is only one issue....no one likes change....!!!! Anyway Im nipping off back home to Aislaby for my dinner as there isn't a café in MSG...ha ha... Sam9000
  • Score: -6

12:45pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Sam9000 says...

Cabrown5 "So why should I a resident of the village for 10 years who lives opposite the green "....that says it all....


Common5ense
"Common sense dictates that locals shops would not survive next to a supermarket 5mins away. A true reflection of a proper democratic voting system for this situation would be to include ONLY those who live in MSG. Send a coherent leaflet through everyone's letterbox to vote on the matter. Make it a simple YES or NO to the shopping development on the playing field",

I partly agree with your comments, however, look at similar villages and communities, butchers, bakeries, coffee shops are slowly coming back, and as everyone gets older surely it must be good to walk to a surgery.
If only life was as simple as yes and no.....if people proposed better, meaningful alternatives presented in the correct manner I am certain they would be listened too.

cabrown 5 also makes some valid points too as regards to alternative positions and again am certain if valid and a competent proposal was put forward it would I have to be considered. But the argument o kids hanging round a shop and increased traffic is not a valid argument as these issues can easily be managed. At the end of the day there is only one issue....no one likes change....!!!!

Anyway Im nipping off back home to Aislaby for my dinner as there isn't a café in MSG...ha ha...
Cabrown5 "So why should I a resident of the village for 10 years who lives opposite the green "....that says it all.... Common5ense "Common sense dictates that locals shops would not survive next to a supermarket 5mins away. A true reflection of a proper democratic voting system for this situation would be to include ONLY those who live in MSG. Send a coherent leaflet through everyone's letterbox to vote on the matter. Make it a simple YES or NO to the shopping development on the playing field", I partly agree with your comments, however, look at similar villages and communities, butchers, bakeries, coffee shops are slowly coming back, and as everyone gets older surely it must be good to walk to a surgery. If only life was as simple as yes and no.....if people proposed better, meaningful alternatives presented in the correct manner I am certain they would be listened too. cabrown 5 also makes some valid points too as regards to alternative positions and again am certain if valid and a competent proposal was put forward it would I have to be considered. But the argument o kids hanging round a shop and increased traffic is not a valid argument as these issues can easily be managed. At the end of the day there is only one issue....no one likes change....!!!! Anyway Im nipping off back home to Aislaby for my dinner as there isn't a café in MSG...ha ha... Sam9000
  • Score: -9

2:01pm Wed 16 Jul 14

cabrown5 says...

Sam9000 wrote:
Cabrown5 "So why should I a resident of the village for 10 years who lives opposite the green "....that says it all....


Common5ense
"Common sense dictates that locals shops would not survive next to a supermarket 5mins away. A true reflection of a proper democratic voting system for this situation would be to include ONLY those who live in MSG. Send a coherent leaflet through everyone's letterbox to vote on the matter. Make it a simple YES or NO to the shopping development on the playing field",

I partly agree with your comments, however, look at similar villages and communities, butchers, bakeries, coffee shops are slowly coming back, and as everyone gets older surely it must be good to walk to a surgery.
If only life was as simple as yes and no.....if people proposed better, meaningful alternatives presented in the correct manner I am certain they would be listened too.

cabrown 5 also makes some valid points too as regards to alternative positions and again am certain if valid and a competent proposal was put forward it would I have to be considered. But the argument o kids hanging round a shop and increased traffic is not a valid argument as these issues can easily be managed. At the end of the day there is only one issue....no one likes change....!!!!

Anyway Im nipping off back home to Aislaby for my dinner as there isn't a café in MSG...ha ha...
Obviously Sam is not very bright and a few sandwiches short of a picnic:-) Everyone accepts change, however you don't seem to have to live with the anti social behaviour on your door step. We have had to put up with the car park for 5 years until they put a lock on the gate, late night raves, drugs, drinking rubbish and that was just the car park until it was locked, then overnight it stopped. Your dam right it will not be built on my door step as it is a village green. if your not an MSG resident then plan yourself a local coffee shop someone else, also you make a point other villages are now coming back, please can you list all the villages and what they have and send us a link to their development plans and how far away are they from major towns etc. Or are you just full of BS like the parish council are. It is not a surgery either its a medical centre and why move it from Yarm road where it was proposed to a village green at the last minute. Your answer? Do you think the people of the village are all stupid?? Kids and Anti Social behaviour around shops not an argument, its a problem up and down the country. Of course this is not on your doorstep so your not affected!! Everyone likes change, I run a business and we embrace change every day, we work all over the world with different cultures, so please do not harp on about change, I was there on Saturday, the majority of the village don't want it on the village green, they do want some things to change and the answer is not easy, but it was a resounding no, because the clandestine approach taken by Doris and her cronies of which you are clearly one is very secretive in nature and stinks of something else. Well the people power will expose what is going on here and the truth will come out, it already has started to emerge!!!. The kids in the primary school would do a far better job designing a village community plan, maybe you should lobby the local school for proposals from the 6 and 7 years old, there would be more sense in this what has been proposed. As I said the village stand united and will fight this, equally its disappointing that Doris doesn't listen. Your thoughts on the waterpark hazard and risk or is it just the coffee shop that concerns you? If your that stuck for coffee I have a spare machine at home you can have!!!:-)
[quote][p][bold]Sam9000[/bold] wrote: Cabrown5 "So why should I a resident of the village for 10 years who lives opposite the green "....that says it all.... Common5ense "Common sense dictates that locals shops would not survive next to a supermarket 5mins away. A true reflection of a proper democratic voting system for this situation would be to include ONLY those who live in MSG. Send a coherent leaflet through everyone's letterbox to vote on the matter. Make it a simple YES or NO to the shopping development on the playing field", I partly agree with your comments, however, look at similar villages and communities, butchers, bakeries, coffee shops are slowly coming back, and as everyone gets older surely it must be good to walk to a surgery. If only life was as simple as yes and no.....if people proposed better, meaningful alternatives presented in the correct manner I am certain they would be listened too. cabrown 5 also makes some valid points too as regards to alternative positions and again am certain if valid and a competent proposal was put forward it would I have to be considered. But the argument o kids hanging round a shop and increased traffic is not a valid argument as these issues can easily be managed. At the end of the day there is only one issue....no one likes change....!!!! Anyway Im nipping off back home to Aislaby for my dinner as there isn't a café in MSG...ha ha...[/p][/quote]Obviously Sam is not very bright and a few sandwiches short of a picnic:-) Everyone accepts change, however you don't seem to have to live with the anti social behaviour on your door step. We have had to put up with the car park for 5 years until they put a lock on the gate, late night raves, drugs, drinking rubbish and that was just the car park until it was locked, then overnight it stopped. Your dam right it will not be built on my door step as it is a village green. if your not an MSG resident then plan yourself a local coffee shop someone else, also you make a point other villages are now coming back, please can you list all the villages and what they have and send us a link to their development plans and how far away are they from major towns etc. Or are you just full of BS like the parish council are. It is not a surgery either its a medical centre and why move it from Yarm road where it was proposed to a village green at the last minute. Your answer? Do you think the people of the village are all stupid?? Kids and Anti Social behaviour around shops not an argument, its a problem up and down the country. Of course this is not on your doorstep so your not affected!! Everyone likes change, I run a business and we embrace change every day, we work all over the world with different cultures, so please do not harp on about change, I was there on Saturday, the majority of the village don't want it on the village green, they do want some things to change and the answer is not easy, but it was a resounding no, because the clandestine approach taken by Doris and her cronies of which you are clearly one is very secretive in nature and stinks of something else. Well the people power will expose what is going on here and the truth will come out, it already has started to emerge!!!. The kids in the primary school would do a far better job designing a village community plan, maybe you should lobby the local school for proposals from the 6 and 7 years old, there would be more sense in this what has been proposed. As I said the village stand united and will fight this, equally its disappointing that Doris doesn't listen. Your thoughts on the waterpark hazard and risk or is it just the coffee shop that concerns you? If your that stuck for coffee I have a spare machine at home you can have!!!:-) cabrown5
  • Score: 10

2:45pm Wed 16 Jul 14

StopScaremongeringCouncillors says...

Sam9000 wrote:
Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village. I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation. If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are. Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors. Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated. It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!! The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go? Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable......
Sam9000 are we talking about the same park here? The one that I take my 2 year old daughter to every day and we enjoy playing in both the play park and the field, along with other parents and children. Perhaps you should take a walk over there before you fabricate the idea that it is run down and unused. Presumably when you are there 'kicking the glass away, removing chewing gum and untangling swings' you are with a child? Would this child prefer to play next to a bus stop and a car park whilst you sit in a coffee shop and sip coffee hoping that no stranger appraoches them before you can drag yourself from your blueberry muffin, they run in to traffic or go under a buss? Id rather untangle a swing (which ive never had to do by the way.... so either you are going in the middle of the night or you are making untrue statements) and stay close to my child performing my duty as a parent to supervise them than hope for the best.... and I tell you what, that proposed sports shop will come in real handy when there's no where safe for them to play! Pah! Oh well, we can all sit in our newly bought tracksuits from the proposed sports shop staring out the window of the coffee shop all day... (presumably Doris really likes the idea of sitting procastinating all day..... not sure she'll get much friendly conversation though....)
[quote][p][bold]Sam9000[/bold] wrote: Surely the whole point of a consultation is to gain everyone's opinion, however there has to be an initial plan. If there wasn't an initial plan nothing would get done in the village. I think it is such a shame that many small minded people are seemingly on a witch hunt, even after everyone has had the opportunity to suggest what they want in the village and contribute toward a consultation. If it wasn't for people like Doris and Brian and the rest of the councillors in Middleton and Sadberge, nothing would get done and the village(s) would both be ruined a lot more than they already are. Does no one understand that there is little choice but to develop MSG, with a UK growing population, towns and villages all over the UK are going to grow to bursting point. Someone, has to try to look at the bigger picture and try to keep it under control and plan ahead for the betterment of the village, that's why we have councillors. Yes it is a shame one of the options is to build on the football pitch, but a small development of a doctors surgery and a couple of shops does make sense, with good design, modern construction, good security the fear of youths would be eliminated. It has to be better than what we have now as every time I go to the play area I have to kick glass off the area, remove chewing gum, untangle the swings, ask youths kicking footballs to play on the field, and the shelters stink of pee and more often than not strewn with cans of lager and cider. The field is rarely used, and if memory served me right there were complaints about people swearing and playing football on it......!!! The Doctors surgery is over capacity and obviously will have to be rebuilt somewhere within the village, as surely no one wants a surgery in Darlington? So where else can it go? Perhaps now the Councillors has every ones attention, the questions should be put to all of the villagers again, perhaps more than 120 people might take more of an interest in the village this time? Bearing in mind some development of a Doctors surgery, perhaps school expansion, and some small shops are inevitable......[/p][/quote]Sam9000 are we talking about the same park here? The one that I take my 2 year old daughter to every day and we enjoy playing in both the play park and the field, along with other parents and children. Perhaps you should take a walk over there before you fabricate the idea that it is run down and unused. Presumably when you are there 'kicking the glass away, removing chewing gum and untangling swings' you are with a child? Would this child prefer to play next to a bus stop and a car park whilst you sit in a coffee shop and sip coffee hoping that no stranger appraoches them before you can drag yourself from your blueberry muffin, they run in to traffic or go under a buss? Id rather untangle a swing (which ive never had to do by the way.... so either you are going in the middle of the night or you are making untrue statements) and stay close to my child performing my duty as a parent to supervise them than hope for the best.... and I tell you what, that proposed sports shop will come in real handy when there's no where safe for them to play! Pah! Oh well, we can all sit in our newly bought tracksuits from the proposed sports shop staring out the window of the coffee shop all day... (presumably Doris really likes the idea of sitting procastinating all day..... not sure she'll get much friendly conversation though....) StopScaremongeringCouncillors
  • Score: 10

2:48pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Sam9000 says...

I think the water park for a play area is a good option, again if this ever went ahead modern designs, security and safety features would have to meet legal requirements. Kids play over there all of the time and have since well before you moved in and before the existing play area arrived and no I don't think anyone has been harmed there yet.

Its not a village green and never has been, the councillors really fought hard to get a FOOTBALL pitch and play area when the houses were built. And subsequently the pitch doesn't get used anymore and the play equipment is dated and used for teenagers to kick a ball in instead of using the pitch.

Listen I am not for or against the development on the green, but I do accept change and things have to move on and develop. I also believe there is a right way and a wrong way to express opinions and suggest new and/or alternative proposals.

There are of course other options...you could move?

If you have a business you should know it is not good to take things personally or be personal, name calling and hurtful remarks, and witch hunts, well, they most probably wont get you anywhere. By focusing your energy through the correct channels it might get you somewhere and you might be able to make a difference.

Anyway I have had my say which everyone is entitled too, and my dinner too, which was particularly flavoursome, and now I am now going to have a little nap.
I think the water park for a play area is a good option, again if this ever went ahead modern designs, security and safety features would have to meet legal requirements. Kids play over there all of the time and have since well before you moved in and before the existing play area arrived and no I don't think anyone has been harmed there yet. Its not a village green and never has been, the councillors really fought hard to get a FOOTBALL pitch and play area when the houses were built. And subsequently the pitch doesn't get used anymore and the play equipment is dated and used for teenagers to kick a ball in instead of using the pitch. Listen I am not for or against the development on the green, but I do accept change and things have to move on and develop. I also believe there is a right way and a wrong way to express opinions and suggest new and/or alternative proposals. There are of course other options...you could move? If you have a business you should know it is not good to take things personally or be personal, name calling and hurtful remarks, and witch hunts, well, they most probably wont get you anywhere. By focusing your energy through the correct channels it might get you somewhere and you might be able to make a difference. Anyway I have had my say which everyone is entitled too, and my dinner too, which was particularly flavoursome, and now I am now going to have a little nap. Sam9000
  • Score: -3

4:36pm Wed 16 Jul 14

cabrown5 says...

Sam9000 wrote:
I think the water park for a play area is a good option, again if this ever went ahead modern designs, security and safety features would have to meet legal requirements. Kids play over there all of the time and have since well before you moved in and before the existing play area arrived and no I don't think anyone has been harmed there yet.

Its not a village green and never has been, the councillors really fought hard to get a FOOTBALL pitch and play area when the houses were built. And subsequently the pitch doesn't get used anymore and the play equipment is dated and used for teenagers to kick a ball in instead of using the pitch.

Listen I am not for or against the development on the green, but I do accept change and things have to move on and develop. I also believe there is a right way and a wrong way to express opinions and suggest new and/or alternative proposals.

There are of course other options...you could move?

If you have a business you should know it is not good to take things personally or be personal, name calling and hurtful remarks, and witch hunts, well, they most probably wont get you anywhere. By focusing your energy through the correct channels it might get you somewhere and you might be able to make a difference.

Anyway I have had my say which everyone is entitled too, and my dinner too, which was particularly flavoursome, and now I am now going to have a little nap.
Sam you are entitled to your opinion to the point that you actually live in the village, if not then you don't have a point or a voice. I am seriously struggling to comprehend in my mind a human being who could support such a stupid idea. (Fact) the Parish Council built a nature trail around the water park, if you go there now you cannot see it as the grass is long. Why? no grass cutting, perfect in Winter when all muddy and no long grass. Great Idea. Do you really think they are going to fence of the water park and lakes sufficiently enough that kids from 6 to 12 will not fall in and potentially struggle with the shock of cold water and drown!! If I as a business owner had to work in that area for excavation works, the method statements and risk assesments we would have to create as a business would be 10ft thick to satisfy the HSE and Planners that and that would just be temporary works, Can you imagine a permanent feature as in a kids play area, that is secluded and increases risk to all. Great idea, lets spend a million more safeguarding it and then a lot on the public liability insurance of it thereafter for the parish council not to maintain it in the future, like the play ground!! My point, a stupid amount of money on consultants who are advising to tear up the village green(football pitch) for a medical centre and bus stop and your coffee shop. The field is for all ages, adults, teenagers, kids and little ones. they stopped playing football because the adults that it was never designed for kept tearing it up and the middleton rangers then couldn't play on it for fear of injury. So now its a Playfield/Village Green. The equipment is dated because your friends would rather pay consultants unnecessary monies than upgrading or maintaining the equipment. It is used everyday by kids in this village. I live in a democracy and sometimes in a democracy you have silly people who say silly things when silly things are proposed, but since you don't live in the village you must have some vested interest in the parish council or the proposed shops or is it your coffee shop? Moving might well be the preferred option if it ever goes ahead which I don't believe it will, better to get out before the house prices in the village depreciate and everyone wants to leave it to the undesirables, great idea, brilliant promotion of the village when all the houses around the field go up for sale at the same time, what a message to send to would be buyers. Why do you think the developers wont build the shops and medical centre in the proposed new developments?????? Lunacy at best and as I say, I struggle to understand the human mentality of people who support this idea, however we do live in a democracy and after all Sam you have an opinion which you have clearly stated here today, so I look forward to you attending the next meeting and standing up and stating to the several hundred people in the room who disagree with it that this is what you want for a non village resident in the best interests of the village that you don't live in. I will buy you any coffee you want if you do that!!! The action group and has already started and its underway, its amazing what community spirit can create in such a short space of time, surveyors, business owners, lawyers, police, nurses and hardworking people all combining their resources to fight this. lets hope we can channel that boisterous spirit of yours in fighting against this rather than for it...... Enjoy your flavoursome dinner, recommend a Starbucks Americano with a touch of chocolate to wash it down!!:-)
[quote][p][bold]Sam9000[/bold] wrote: I think the water park for a play area is a good option, again if this ever went ahead modern designs, security and safety features would have to meet legal requirements. Kids play over there all of the time and have since well before you moved in and before the existing play area arrived and no I don't think anyone has been harmed there yet. Its not a village green and never has been, the councillors really fought hard to get a FOOTBALL pitch and play area when the houses were built. And subsequently the pitch doesn't get used anymore and the play equipment is dated and used for teenagers to kick a ball in instead of using the pitch. Listen I am not for or against the development on the green, but I do accept change and things have to move on and develop. I also believe there is a right way and a wrong way to express opinions and suggest new and/or alternative proposals. There are of course other options...you could move? If you have a business you should know it is not good to take things personally or be personal, name calling and hurtful remarks, and witch hunts, well, they most probably wont get you anywhere. By focusing your energy through the correct channels it might get you somewhere and you might be able to make a difference. Anyway I have had my say which everyone is entitled too, and my dinner too, which was particularly flavoursome, and now I am now going to have a little nap.[/p][/quote]Sam you are entitled to your opinion to the point that you actually live in the village, if not then you don't have a point or a voice. I am seriously struggling to comprehend in my mind a human being who could support such a stupid idea. (Fact) the Parish Council built a nature trail around the water park, if you go there now you cannot see it as the grass is long. Why? no grass cutting, perfect in Winter when all muddy and no long grass. Great Idea. Do you really think they are going to fence of the water park and lakes sufficiently enough that kids from 6 to 12 will not fall in and potentially struggle with the shock of cold water and drown!! If I as a business owner had to work in that area for excavation works, the method statements and risk assesments we would have to create as a business would be 10ft thick to satisfy the HSE and Planners that and that would just be temporary works, Can you imagine a permanent feature as in a kids play area, that is secluded and increases risk to all. Great idea, lets spend a million more safeguarding it and then a lot on the public liability insurance of it thereafter for the parish council not to maintain it in the future, like the play ground!! My point, a stupid amount of money on consultants who are advising to tear up the village green(football pitch) for a medical centre and bus stop and your coffee shop. The field is for all ages, adults, teenagers, kids and little ones. they stopped playing football because the adults that it was never designed for kept tearing it up and the middleton rangers then couldn't play on it for fear of injury. So now its a Playfield/Village Green. The equipment is dated because your friends would rather pay consultants unnecessary monies than upgrading or maintaining the equipment. It is used everyday by kids in this village. I live in a democracy and sometimes in a democracy you have silly people who say silly things when silly things are proposed, but since you don't live in the village you must have some vested interest in the parish council or the proposed shops or is it your coffee shop? Moving might well be the preferred option if it ever goes ahead which I don't believe it will, better to get out before the house prices in the village depreciate and everyone wants to leave it to the undesirables, great idea, brilliant promotion of the village when all the houses around the field go up for sale at the same time, what a message to send to would be buyers. Why do you think the developers wont build the shops and medical centre in the proposed new developments?????? Lunacy at best and as I say, I struggle to understand the human mentality of people who support this idea, however we do live in a democracy and after all Sam you have an opinion which you have clearly stated here today, so I look forward to you attending the next meeting and standing up and stating to the several hundred people in the room who disagree with it that this is what you want for a non village resident in the best interests of the village that you don't live in. I will buy you any coffee you want if you do that!!! The action group and has already started and its underway, its amazing what community spirit can create in such a short space of time, surveyors, business owners, lawyers, police, nurses and hardworking people all combining their resources to fight this. lets hope we can channel that boisterous spirit of yours in fighting against this rather than for it...... Enjoy your flavoursome dinner, recommend a Starbucks Americano with a touch of chocolate to wash it down!!:-) cabrown5
  • Score: 7

5:24pm Wed 16 Jul 14

MSGprofessionalnotayob says...

Just a few points - the development proposed on Middleton Lane was neither in MOR nor MSG it is the buffer zone between the 2 developments. It was controversial for many planning reasons & I don't really understand why Gentoo attempted it.
Neighbourhood Development plans are good in theory and if the process it followed correctly should result in something good for the community.
I don't believe the process has been followed correctly hence the lack of real consultation (not the passive consultation that has been done) has resulted in this god awful farce. Optioneering is key in all good consultation processes - this hasn't been done. The blatant misdirection and scaremongering is incredibly worrying and should have no place in this process.
Yes we will have to fight development in the village but this needs to be as a whole village not one split by this mismanaged exercise.
Currently the process is doomed to failure as it requires a referendum to pass, in its current state it is a waste of money & resources, that will bring out lots of angry nos, positive votes are generally more apathetic = classic failure.
I do not accept that we have to accept more development - this is not an area of high housing need ( those newspaper articles your read they refer generally to the housing shortage in the SE ) and the village has already had a population explosion. The plan should be responding to the communities feeling and strongly opposing development not facilitating it!
For reference the minutes of the parish council are available online and detail how much we pay for things including consultants etc
Just a few points - the development proposed on Middleton Lane was neither in MOR nor MSG it is the buffer zone between the 2 developments. It was controversial for many planning reasons & I don't really understand why Gentoo attempted it. Neighbourhood Development plans are good in theory and if the process it followed correctly should result in something good for the community. I don't believe the process has been followed correctly hence the lack of real consultation (not the passive consultation that has been done) has resulted in this god awful farce. Optioneering is key in all good consultation processes - this hasn't been done. The blatant misdirection and scaremongering is incredibly worrying and should have no place in this process. Yes we will have to fight development in the village but this needs to be as a whole village not one split by this mismanaged exercise. Currently the process is doomed to failure as it requires a referendum to pass, in its current state it is a waste of money & resources, that will bring out lots of angry nos, positive votes are generally more apathetic = classic failure. I do not accept that we have to accept more development - this is not an area of high housing need ( those newspaper articles your read they refer generally to the housing shortage in the SE ) and the village has already had a population explosion. The plan should be responding to the communities feeling and strongly opposing development not facilitating it! For reference the minutes of the parish council are available online and detail how much we pay for things including consultants etc MSGprofessionalnotayob
  • Score: 16

7:25pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Pleaselistentous says...

Please do not let Sam9000 deflect any discussion by being a troll and winding people up. There will always be people who get a kick out of saying something they know will hurt, make you angry and want to retaliate. Examples:
"There are of course other options...you could move?"
"Anyway Im nipping off back home to Aislaby for my dinner as there isn't a café in MSG...ha ha..."
"...there is only one issue....no one likes change....!!!!"
He feeds on reaction, I have dignified his responses by quoting him, but he is now on the ignore list.
Please do not let Sam9000 deflect any discussion by being a troll and winding people up. There will always be people who get a kick out of saying something they know will hurt, make you angry and want to retaliate. Examples: "There are of course other options...you could move?" "Anyway Im nipping off back home to Aislaby for my dinner as there isn't a café in MSG...ha ha..." "...there is only one issue....no one likes change....!!!!" He feeds on reaction, I have dignified his responses by quoting him, but he is now on the ignore list. Pleaselistentous
  • Score: 11

10:08pm Wed 16 Jul 14

playingfield says...

Sam9000, please let me explain a few things to you as you do not appear to understand some concepts in the process of implementing a proposal. The initial consultation should be at the “identify the requirements /need” with all the stakeholders i.e. from the outset not at the “select stage”. This would have alleviated the possible need of the costs of the “pseudo-drawings
and the resulting distrust and anger that has resulted. The parish council have also failed in the handling of disseminating information and providing misleading information.
We also appear to have missed out the “appraise stage” as the only so called option is to build on the playing fields. I would also have hoped that some basic costs have been calculated and that a business plan has been formulated – but who know?. If we follow the trail of the money it will inevitably lead us to the reason why this has been proposed. I think a closer look at the link between the parish council and the doctors may shed a bit more light. That reminds me I need to top up my pension fund!!
Again, you seem to have no grasp of social issues either with your statement of “good security the fear of youths would be eliminated”; they are not animals that have to be tamed.
If I was to construct an area where anti-social behaviour could thrive, the items below would be on my list (not an exhaustive list):
1. Shops – especially fast food (late night opening).
2. Car Park.
3. Bus shelter.
4. Play area.
5. Playing fields – with bushes.
6. Close proximity to the main road.
7. Plenty of escape routes –road and paths.
8. Buildings to hide behind.
9. Remote area – off the beaten track i.e. not in town centre.
10. Lack of police presence, especially after 9pm.
11. Other villages/town close by.

Can you see where I am going with this??

I agree that someone has to look at the bigger picture, but I would suggest it is carried out by people who have the ability to understand the issues and able to provide sensible informed solutions.
Sam9000, please let me explain a few things to you as you do not appear to understand some concepts in the process of implementing a proposal. The initial consultation should be at the “identify the requirements /need” with all the stakeholders i.e. from the outset not at the “select stage”. This would have alleviated the possible need of the costs of the “pseudo-drawings and the resulting distrust and anger that has resulted. The parish council have also failed in the handling of disseminating information and providing misleading information. We also appear to have missed out the “appraise stage” as the only so called option is to build on the playing fields. I would also have hoped that some basic costs have been calculated and that a business plan has been formulated – but who know?. If we follow the trail of the money it will inevitably lead us to the reason why this has been proposed. I think a closer look at the link between the parish council and the doctors may shed a bit more light. That reminds me I need to top up my pension fund!! Again, you seem to have no grasp of social issues either with your statement of “good security the fear of youths would be eliminated”; they are not animals that have to be tamed. If I was to construct an area where anti-social behaviour could thrive, the items below would be on my list (not an exhaustive list): 1. Shops – especially fast food (late night opening). 2. Car Park. 3. Bus shelter. 4. Play area. 5. Playing fields – with bushes. 6. Close proximity to the main road. 7. Plenty of escape routes –road and paths. 8. Buildings to hide behind. 9. Remote area – off the beaten track i.e. not in town centre. 10. Lack of police presence, especially after 9pm. 11. Other villages/town close by. Can you see where I am going with this?? I agree that someone has to look at the bigger picture, but I would suggest it is carried out by people who have the ability to understand the issues and able to provide sensible informed solutions. playingfield
  • Score: 14

5:28pm Thu 17 Jul 14

theartistformallyknownasoutragedofmiltonkeynes says...

As a resident of this once fine village with my life and the lives of many generations of my family spent here i can see the argument from both sides. Reading through the comments there are also historical inaccuracies about what building/field was used for what. The Doctors surgery for example has not always been at Felix House and remains the property of Dr Marshall who wants his home to be private when he retires which is fair enough. I also believe that Doris Jones has the best interests of the village at heart, and remember, the councillors are giving up their time and trying to do what they think is right. It is very easy to criticise but not so easy to come up with viable alternatives. Might i suggest a good turnout of people at the next parish council meeting, keeping it calm and reasonable, to discuss the way forward and find out the best alternative to building a row of shops which i honestly do not think would survive. And before anybody jumps in with the thumbs down and starts accusing me of everything from being "on their side" to shooting JR Ewing the houses in which those with the loudest voices live in were built on fields we played on as kids. Just a thought.
As a resident of this once fine village with my life and the lives of many generations of my family spent here i can see the argument from both sides. Reading through the comments there are also historical inaccuracies about what building/field was used for what. The Doctors surgery for example has not always been at Felix House and remains the property of Dr Marshall who wants his home to be private when he retires which is fair enough. I also believe that Doris Jones has the best interests of the village at heart, and remember, the councillors are giving up their time and trying to do what they think is right. It is very easy to criticise but not so easy to come up with viable alternatives. Might i suggest a good turnout of people at the next parish council meeting, keeping it calm and reasonable, to discuss the way forward and find out the best alternative to building a row of shops which i honestly do not think would survive. And before anybody jumps in with the thumbs down and starts accusing me of everything from being "on their side" to shooting JR Ewing the houses in which those with the loudest voices live in were built on fields we played on as kids. Just a thought. theartistformallyknownasoutragedofmiltonkeynes
  • Score: 0

10:53am Fri 18 Jul 14

playingfield says...

Has any one looked at the possibility of putting the doctors surgery/medical centre at Morton Park? it could complement Woodlands Hospital. I believe there are many units available.
Has any one looked at the possibility of putting the doctors surgery/medical centre at Morton Park? it could complement Woodlands Hospital. I believe there are many units available. playingfield
  • Score: 6

1:52pm Fri 18 Jul 14

msgresident says...

MSGprofessionalnotay
ob: wise words indeed.

It is sometimes difficult to separate the real issues from the noise. The noise which in this case has been unfortunately been created by the Parish Council. That aside for a moment....

The main area of disagreement here is the loss of the existing play area and pitch. I think that it is abundantly clear that the community does not want to see this go. Any new proposals should therefore respect this and focus on how this area can be improved. A real positive to emerge from this debacle is the new sense of ownership and value attached to what is now being called a ‘village green’. It would appear that we do have a heart in the village after all ☺. Beyond improved maintenance there are plenty of things that could be done here, such as improved play facilities for older young people as well as small ones. Changes also don’t have to be physical, a series of village events (think Sadberge) would also work really well along with simple infrastructure to support them. How much difference did a simple gate on it make to people’s lives?

The next point is whether we require any further shops. Perhaps I should rephrase that. The next is point is whether you can convince a developer that there is a strong enough demand for him to put his hand in his pocket and speculate that there is demand for additional retail in the village and build them for you. Would you spend your money on it? What type of tenant/lease would you get? Maybe a small Sainsburys etc at best, but should we really be promoting this at the potential expense of existing, locally owned shops? What is the point of promoting an idea if it will never be delivered?

Talking of delivery, the doctors’ surgery or even better a medical centre? A nice gilt edged 25year NHS lease? Yes please, put me at the front of the queue to build that one! I have no doubt that any developer would as well. Perhaps it could be incorporated into the large resi proposal on the outskirts of the village? I like the Morton Park idea – I can take my children shopping at Morrisons easily enough, I am sure I can take them to the doctors there as well.

Don’t fancy that idea? Well how about flattening the existing community centre that is so unfit for purpose and putting it there along with a new community facility?

Affordable housing? Starter homes? Put it in the plan that it is a requirement for new schemes to incorporate it (and then importantly enforce it!).

My suggestions aren't right or wrong but they are examples of potential options that could be considered.

A final word to MD2 who as a consultant will only have being doing what their Client told them. A Morrisons style clock tower on a teen shelter? Seriously? You had some sympathy up until that point.
MSGprofessionalnotay ob: wise words indeed. It is sometimes difficult to separate the real issues from the noise. The noise which in this case has been unfortunately been created by the Parish Council. That aside for a moment.... The main area of disagreement here is the loss of the existing play area and pitch. I think that it is abundantly clear that the community does not want to see this go. Any new proposals should therefore respect this and focus on how this area can be improved. A real positive to emerge from this debacle is the new sense of ownership and value attached to what is now being called a ‘village green’. It would appear that we do have a heart in the village after all ☺. Beyond improved maintenance there are plenty of things that could be done here, such as improved play facilities for older young people as well as small ones. Changes also don’t have to be physical, a series of village events (think Sadberge) would also work really well along with simple infrastructure to support them. How much difference did a simple gate on it make to people’s lives? The next point is whether we require any further shops. Perhaps I should rephrase that. The next is point is whether you can convince a developer that there is a strong enough demand for him to put his hand in his pocket and speculate that there is demand for additional retail in the village and build them for you. Would you spend your money on it? What type of tenant/lease would you get? Maybe a small Sainsburys etc at best, but should we really be promoting this at the potential expense of existing, locally owned shops? What is the point of promoting an idea if it will never be delivered? Talking of delivery, the doctors’ surgery or even better a medical centre? A nice gilt edged 25year NHS lease? Yes please, put me at the front of the queue to build that one! I have no doubt that any developer would as well. Perhaps it could be incorporated into the large resi proposal on the outskirts of the village? I like the Morton Park idea – I can take my children shopping at Morrisons easily enough, I am sure I can take them to the doctors there as well. Don’t fancy that idea? Well how about flattening the existing community centre that is so unfit for purpose and putting it there along with a new community facility? Affordable housing? Starter homes? Put it in the plan that it is a requirement for new schemes to incorporate it (and then importantly enforce it!). My suggestions aren't right or wrong but they are examples of potential options that could be considered. A final word to MD2 who as a consultant will only have being doing what their Client told them. A Morrisons style clock tower on a teen shelter? Seriously? You had some sympathy up until that point. msgresident
  • Score: 8

2:09pm Mon 21 Jul 14

railwaygrafter says...

More precious green space gobbled up most likely in the name quick money profit. The whole county and country will be one sprawling concrete carpet before long.
More precious green space gobbled up most likely in the name quick money profit. The whole county and country will be one sprawling concrete carpet before long. railwaygrafter
  • Score: 0

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