Anonymous Darlington fly-poster is florist who says business is struggling due to council parking policies

ANGRY TRADER: Rob Metcalfe at his florist shop in Bondgate, Darlington. Picture: ANDY LAMB

ANGRY TRADER: Rob Metcalfe at his florist shop in Bondgate, Darlington. Picture: ANDY LAMB

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A LONG-STANDING trader says council parking policies in Darlington have put his business at risk and left him homeless.

Rob Metcalfe last night (July 3) confessed to putting up posters in the town accusing Darlington Borough Council of discouraging trade and creating a ghost town.

Mr Metcalfe – who runs the Claire Metcalfe florist shop on Bondgate – said he lost his temper after receiving a parking ticket.

He claims an excess of double yellow lines and lack of loading bays have resulted in fewer shoppers and businesses struggling to survive.

Mr Metcalfe revealed that he had been forced to give up his family home as a direct result of customers being driven off by “absurd” parking restrictions.

“I’m not into doing things publicly and I didn’t want to have to say I’m struggling –it’s embarrassing.

“But I have a terrible temper and I’ve lost my house. This is how desperate I am and I’m not alone.

“I’ve been here for 26 years and through three recessions but my regular customers are being put off by getting parking tickets.

“I get tickets for parking illegally but when the loading bays are full and I’m loading up for a funeral I can’t be late or that’d be game over for us.

“I work 100 hours a week and am lucky to break even. A £50 fine might take all my profit that week and if we relied solely on footfall, we’d be bankrupt.

“Bill Dixon might say we’ve got a low rate of vacant shops but I’ve lost my house while he’s making sure I can’t get customers or deliveries into my shop.”

He added: “There’s no reason to have so many yellow lines and so few loading bays, there’s no safety or congestion issues round here.

“My business and my life are going down the pan. The answer is to reverse these parking policies immediately, without bureaucracy or traders like us will not be here long enough to see results.”

Council leader Bill Dixon said: “We’re aware that parking in the borough is an issue but there are still plenty of spaces and loading bays are scattered throughout the town.

“The correct approach would be to come to the council with a constructive plan, all he’s managed to do is get other towns cheering by running this town down.

“I’m not saying the situation is ideal but there will be dialogue and discussions with business owners and we’re talking about what we can do to improve things.

“It’s regrettable when businesses go under but all the council can do is encourage people to come here to shop and in the last few years we have seen a steady increase in shoppers.

“The florist may be particularly hard hit but that maybe something to do with that particular area of trade.”

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7:25am Fri 4 Jul 14

Hunty1 says...

I've never come come across an angry florist, but it takes all sorts! And rightly so, I met a lady the other day who called in to her shop to collect cash for banking and in the five minutes she was in her shop she was ticketed!.
I hope by standing up to this so called bunch of idiots that call themselves leaders of the Council you will help change Darlington's future, sadly in my experience whilst these people are left to their own devices Darlington will never return to its former glorious market town.
Time for young blood with fresh ideas, people who are passionate about a town future and it's residents and rate payers..
I would love to return to Darlington to shop but had three tickets, albeit one they let me off with but DBC you get enough money out of my council tax !
I've never come come across an angry florist, but it takes all sorts! And rightly so, I met a lady the other day who called in to her shop to collect cash for banking and in the five minutes she was in her shop she was ticketed!. I hope by standing up to this so called bunch of idiots that call themselves leaders of the Council you will help change Darlington's future, sadly in my experience whilst these people are left to their own devices Darlington will never return to its former glorious market town. Time for young blood with fresh ideas, people who are passionate about a town future and it's residents and rate payers.. I would love to return to Darlington to shop but had three tickets, albeit one they let me off with but DBC you get enough money out of my council tax ! Hunty1
  • Score: 88

7:34am Fri 4 Jul 14

user name 3 says...

All the council want to do is talk now and waste more time while these businesses go under. Why didn't they talk to businesses BEFORE putting the yellow lines in place or did that need common sense?
All the council want to do is talk now and waste more time while these businesses go under. Why didn't they talk to businesses BEFORE putting the yellow lines in place or did that need common sense? user name 3
  • Score: 78

7:49am Fri 4 Jul 14

Homshaw1 says...

What a condescending moron. Come to the council with ideas.

Build a bus station
Get rid of Bid
Reduce parking charges
Tidy the streets properly
Reopen the toilets

People are telling you what to do. YOU'RE NOT LISTEN because you're too.full of your own importance to listen to other peoples views
What a condescending moron. Come to the council with ideas. Build a bus station Get rid of Bid Reduce parking charges Tidy the streets properly Reopen the toilets People are telling you what to do. YOU'RE NOT LISTEN because you're too.full of your own importance to listen to other peoples views Homshaw1
  • Score: 102

8:00am Fri 4 Jul 14

Davy Crocket says...

I started shopping in Middlesbrough after I received 2 parking tickets in 3 weeks in Darlington. I was putting money into the economy there and was getting punished for it. My advice is go to Middlesbrough ... The council is more pragmatic and forgiving there.
I started shopping in Middlesbrough after I received 2 parking tickets in 3 weeks in Darlington. I was putting money into the economy there and was getting punished for it. My advice is go to Middlesbrough ... The council is more pragmatic and forgiving there. Davy Crocket
  • Score: 58

8:00am Fri 4 Jul 14

Homshaw1 says...

By the way if this development at Scotch Corner goes ahead it will hit the clothing shops in Grange Road. What will replace them?
By the way if this development at Scotch Corner goes ahead it will hit the clothing shops in Grange Road. What will replace them? Homshaw1
  • Score: 45

8:46am Fri 4 Jul 14

Tommermann says...

Homshaw1 you are so right, an utterly condescending pile of platitudes from Bill Dixon. How insulting to respond to Mr Metcalfe's dire issues in such arrogant terms. Many, many alternatives to the ridiculously militant traffic 'control' measures in town HAVE been put forward but they fall on deaf ears. It has to be time for change now or there will be nothing to,come to Darlington for.
Homshaw1 you are so right, an utterly condescending pile of platitudes from Bill Dixon. How insulting to respond to Mr Metcalfe's dire issues in such arrogant terms. Many, many alternatives to the ridiculously militant traffic 'control' measures in town HAVE been put forward but they fall on deaf ears. It has to be time for change now or there will be nothing to,come to Darlington for. Tommermann
  • Score: 60

9:02am Fri 4 Jul 14

Jonn says...

Isn't there a car park right at the back of Metcalfes shop which his customers could use? If you are driving into Darlington specifically to buy flowers at his shop then I seriously doubt you are going to be put off by paying 80p-£1 to park 1 minutes walk from his shop.
Isn't there a loading bay right outside Metcalfes shop, or has it been removed?
Isn't there a car park right at the back of Metcalfes shop which his customers could use? If you are driving into Darlington specifically to buy flowers at his shop then I seriously doubt you are going to be put off by paying 80p-£1 to park 1 minutes walk from his shop. Isn't there a loading bay right outside Metcalfes shop, or has it been removed? Jonn
  • Score: -27

9:17am Fri 4 Jul 14

Bilb0Baggins says...

I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again.
These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly!
I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again. These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly! Bilb0Baggins
  • Score: 53

9:35am Fri 4 Jul 14

durhamchap says...

I am lucky enough to be retired and with my wife regularly drive to towns and cities in the area from Yarm,Northallerton & Richmond to Newcastle, Hexham & Corbridge in the North.Last time I visited Darlington I found it grubby and there was nothing appealing about the shopping area - I don't visit Darlington any more unless I am travelling through to go somewhere else
I am lucky enough to be retired and with my wife regularly drive to towns and cities in the area from Yarm,Northallerton & Richmond to Newcastle, Hexham & Corbridge in the North.Last time I visited Darlington I found it grubby and there was nothing appealing about the shopping area - I don't visit Darlington any more unless I am travelling through to go somewhere else durhamchap
  • Score: 47

9:35am Fri 4 Jul 14

Darloresident says...

So there you have it.. Mr Metcalfe according to Billy boy has only himself to blame for his sad predicament..
Its one thing for us the public to voice concerns over the town centres management but now the traders are starting to turn...
Take heed Bill because if the chorus of disapproval from the good townsfolk of Darlington reach the ears of the national press then you and your gravy train buddies might find your salaries and track records under scrutiny.
Pay cuts for the binmen whilst giving 10 grand increases for the Managers will not go down well in the pages of The Mail and Private Eye..
So there you have it.. Mr Metcalfe according to Billy boy has only himself to blame for his sad predicament.. Its one thing for us the public to voice concerns over the town centres management but now the traders are starting to turn... Take heed Bill because if the chorus of disapproval from the good townsfolk of Darlington reach the ears of the national press then you and your gravy train buddies might find your salaries and track records under scrutiny. Pay cuts for the binmen whilst giving 10 grand increases for the Managers will not go down well in the pages of The Mail and Private Eye.. Darloresident
  • Score: 75

9:40am Fri 4 Jul 14

A ALL WEATHER WORKER says...

Darlington is a dying town centre and has been since they pedestrianised skinnergate and high row the council just dont seem to get it and wont until its to late and all we are left with is charity shops and pound shops......why do you think stockton are trying to regenerate there town centre because they did the same as darlington are doing and now they are paying for it
Darlington is a dying town centre and has been since they pedestrianised skinnergate and high row the council just dont seem to get it and wont until its to late and all we are left with is charity shops and pound shops......why do you think stockton are trying to regenerate there town centre because they did the same as darlington are doing and now they are paying for it A ALL WEATHER WORKER
  • Score: 49

9:46am Fri 4 Jul 14

oliviaden6 says...

If Bill Dixon and his cohorts ever bother to read these comments (which i doubt they do), they would surely act but as has been said over and over again, they are full of self importance and egotistical dopes who have slowly driven this once great and proud community into despair by its lack of leadership and wanton waste. The time has come for the voters of Darlington to get stuck in and oust these failures for the good of us all and especially our town and all of our futures.
If Bill Dixon and his cohorts ever bother to read these comments (which i doubt they do), they would surely act but as has been said over and over again, they are full of self importance and egotistical dopes who have slowly driven this once great and proud community into despair by its lack of leadership and wanton waste. The time has come for the voters of Darlington to get stuck in and oust these failures for the good of us all and especially our town and all of our futures. oliviaden6
  • Score: 55

9:52am Fri 4 Jul 14

OldBiddyFrom Barney says...

Bilb0Baggins wrote:
I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again.
These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly!
Completely agree.
[quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again. These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly![/p][/quote]Completely agree. OldBiddyFrom Barney
  • Score: 30

9:54am Fri 4 Jul 14

Growmat says...

I'm genuinely sorry that a business like this is struggling to make ends meet.
When money is tight perhaps people but fewer flowers?

Metcalf's are fortunate to have a loading bay outside their shop. On the occasions that it was full, was it full of other vehicles loading / unloading or were they parked in the wrong place? Parking enforcement cuts both ways.

I googled florists in Middlesborough and check on street view, the first three had single yellow lines or pay and display outside their shops. No loading bays in sight.

As for going to Middlesborough to shop, the fuel cost of the 32 miles plus round trip is often overlooked.

Also, please spare a thought for shops with ample free parking who are also struggling financially at the moment, because they rarely get a mention in the media! Why is that?
I'm genuinely sorry that a business like this is struggling to make ends meet. When money is tight perhaps people but fewer flowers? Metcalf's are fortunate to have a loading bay outside their shop. On the occasions that it was full, was it full of other vehicles loading / unloading or were they parked in the wrong place? Parking enforcement cuts both ways. I googled florists in Middlesborough and check on street view, the first three had single yellow lines or pay and display outside their shops. No loading bays in sight. As for going to Middlesborough to shop, the fuel cost of the 32 miles plus round trip is often overlooked. Also, please spare a thought for shops with ample free parking who are also struggling financially at the moment, because they rarely get a mention in the media! Why is that? Growmat
  • Score: -5

9:54am Fri 4 Jul 14

Jonn says...

Bilb0Baggins wrote:
I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again.
These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly!
Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.
[quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again. These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly![/p][/quote]Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets. Jonn
  • Score: 4

9:58am Fri 4 Jul 14

Mythought1 says...

I agree there are issues regarding parking in Darlington town centre, however everyone has to move with the times, selling a decorated house plant for £23.00 when the VERY same is in Sainsbury's for £12 isn't going to help your cause. If you provide the quality, people will come. Look at the huge queue outside Taylor's, double yellow lines, no car park.
I agree there are issues regarding parking in Darlington town centre, however everyone has to move with the times, selling a decorated house plant for £23.00 when the VERY same is in Sainsbury's for £12 isn't going to help your cause. If you provide the quality, people will come. Look at the huge queue outside Taylor's, double yellow lines, no car park. Mythought1
  • Score: 32

10:00am Fri 4 Jul 14

Parkin Mad says...

I am sorry Mr Metcalfe is struggling (but aren't we all), blaming parking for all his troubles seems a bit excessive. I can get a bunch of flowers off the internet for a lot less than the prices in his shop and I don't need to leave my front room. As for parking isn't there a car park directly behind his shop???
I am sorry Mr Metcalfe is struggling (but aren't we all), blaming parking for all his troubles seems a bit excessive. I can get a bunch of flowers off the internet for a lot less than the prices in his shop and I don't need to leave my front room. As for parking isn't there a car park directly behind his shop??? Parkin Mad
  • Score: 23

10:02am Fri 4 Jul 14

jabdc5, the land that's still trying to recover from the last tory government. says...

Park where you like and refuse to pay parking tickets. If everyone does it maybe Bullsh*t Bill will start to take some notice.
Park where you like and refuse to pay parking tickets. If everyone does it maybe Bullsh*t Bill will start to take some notice. jabdc5, the land that's still trying to recover from the last tory government.
  • Score: 16

10:03am Fri 4 Jul 14

Bilb0Baggins says...

Jonn wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again.
These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly!
Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.
Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again. These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly![/p][/quote]Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.[/p][/quote]Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this?? Bilb0Baggins
  • Score: 29

10:28am Fri 4 Jul 14

andygib263 says...

Bilb0Baggins wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again.
These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly!
Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.
Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??
You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets?
[quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again. These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly![/p][/quote]Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.[/p][/quote]Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??[/p][/quote]You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets? andygib263
  • Score: -14

10:55am Fri 4 Jul 14

LUSTARD says...

andygib263 wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again.
These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly!
Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.
Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??
You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets?
every building in town has toilets, the public ones in public houses, a lot have signs saying toilets for customer use only, so maybe a clue their, for preference i now use binns at the top of the escalator good for a brekky as well
[quote][p][bold]andygib263[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again. These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly![/p][/quote]Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.[/p][/quote]Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??[/p][/quote]You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets?[/p][/quote]every building in town has toilets, the public ones in public houses, a lot have signs saying toilets for customer use only, so maybe a clue their, for preference i now use binns at the top of the escalator good for a brekky as well LUSTARD
  • Score: 14

10:59am Fri 4 Jul 14

mercian2 says...

Homshaw1 what is your gripe with BID? You do know that they are not apart of the council, they work for the business in darlington town centre. I take it you pay a levy because if you do then i suppose you have a say, Because if you don't then i suppose you can't really complain. I support Rob Metcalfe's cause because something needs to change with the parking in the town.
Homshaw1 what is your gripe with BID? You do know that they are not apart of the council, they work for the business in darlington town centre. I take it you pay a levy because if you do then i suppose you have a say, Because if you don't then i suppose you can't really complain. I support Rob Metcalfe's cause because something needs to change with the parking in the town. mercian2
  • Score: 12

11:16am Fri 4 Jul 14

Bilb0Baggins says...

andygib263 wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again.
These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly!
Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.
Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??
You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets?
Sorry to be pedantic BUT, why when I am visiting Darlington do I feel the need to go in the council run leisure centre when shopping?? What am I going to buy there?
I know Macdonalds/Burger King/local pubs have toilets and I'm sure they will be only too happy if the entire visiting population goes in to use their toilets without purchasing anything.
OR is THAT the grand idea? Encourage those of us who have a modicum of manners and plain decency to be forced to use their toilets and buy something??
[quote][p][bold]andygib263[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again. These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly![/p][/quote]Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.[/p][/quote]Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??[/p][/quote]You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets?[/p][/quote]Sorry to be pedantic BUT, why when I am visiting Darlington do I feel the need to go in the council run leisure centre when shopping?? What am I going to buy there? I know Macdonalds/Burger King/local pubs have toilets and I'm sure they will be only too happy if the entire visiting population goes in to use their toilets without purchasing anything. OR is THAT the grand idea? Encourage those of us who have a modicum of manners and plain decency to be forced to use their toilets and buy something?? Bilb0Baggins
  • Score: 19

11:17am Fri 4 Jul 14

asiot66 says...

I couldn't even tell you the last time I did any shopping in Darlington town centre as it was that long ago even though i live in the town, now i either nip to Aycliffe centre after work as I work in Aycliffe or I will visit teeside park, catterick market or failing that use the internet. And I probably will never shop in the town again whilst these ridiculous parking systems are in place
I couldn't even tell you the last time I did any shopping in Darlington town centre as it was that long ago even though i live in the town, now i either nip to Aycliffe centre after work as I work in Aycliffe or I will visit teeside park, catterick market or failing that use the internet. And I probably will never shop in the town again whilst these ridiculous parking systems are in place asiot66
  • Score: 6

11:41am Fri 4 Jul 14

Homshaw1 says...

mercian2 wrote:
Homshaw1 what is your gripe with BID? You do know that they are not apart of the council, they work for the business in darlington town centre. I take it you pay a levy because if you do then i suppose you have a say, Because if you don't then i suppose you can't really complain. I support Rob Metcalfe's cause because something needs to change with the parking in the town.
BID was implemented by the council and is still heavily involved and a controlling influence in its running. There are minutes of meetings discussing the financial benefit of BID to the council. Many of the things done by BID was previously done and financed by the council in spite of it being promoted as being to finance extra services. It does little to improve the Town Centre or attract shoppers

It is one of the reasons small Town Centre businesses are struggling?

What do you feel BID does for the small shopkeeper in Darlington and do you feel it represents value for money?
[quote][p][bold]mercian2[/bold] wrote: Homshaw1 what is your gripe with BID? You do know that they are not apart of the council, they work for the business in darlington town centre. I take it you pay a levy because if you do then i suppose you have a say, Because if you don't then i suppose you can't really complain. I support Rob Metcalfe's cause because something needs to change with the parking in the town.[/p][/quote]BID was implemented by the council and is still heavily involved and a controlling influence in its running. There are minutes of meetings discussing the financial benefit of BID to the council. Many of the things done by BID was previously done and financed by the council in spite of it being promoted as being to finance extra services. It does little to improve the Town Centre or attract shoppers It is one of the reasons small Town Centre businesses are struggling? What do you feel BID does for the small shopkeeper in Darlington and do you feel it represents value for money? Homshaw1
  • Score: 12

12:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

miketually says...

I think we should have one month where the council traffic wardens are sent out to clamp down on bad parking outside the town centre, such as around schools at the start and end of the day.

For that month, all car parking in and around the centre is free and unrestricted. At the end of the month, we see whether people want the charges back.
I think we should have one month where the council traffic wardens are sent out to clamp down on bad parking outside the town centre, such as around schools at the start and end of the day. For that month, all car parking in and around the centre is free and unrestricted. At the end of the month, we see whether people want the charges back. miketually
  • Score: 16

1:00pm Fri 4 Jul 14

tinbasher says...

well done mate the truth hurts them deeply
well done mate the truth hurts them deeply tinbasher
  • Score: 9

1:06pm Fri 4 Jul 14

cholmes005 says...

A ALL WEATHER WORKER wrote:
Darlington is a dying town centre and has been since they pedestrianised skinnergate and high row the council just dont seem to get it and wont until its to late and all we are left with is charity shops and pound shops......why do you think stockton are trying to regenerate there town centre because they did the same as darlington are doing and now they are paying for it
could not agree more. Since the places you mention have become pedestrianized the middle of town has become quite includeing pubs as well as shops and it don't help the buses not cutting through town. I was in Darlington last week and have to say the land behind queens arcade is becoming a eyesore now and should have been re-developed years ago. the two boarded up nightclubs look terrible. This Land is ideal for a bus station but the council would rather chuck money a daft road re-modelling
[quote][p][bold]A ALL WEATHER WORKER[/bold] wrote: Darlington is a dying town centre and has been since they pedestrianised skinnergate and high row the council just dont seem to get it and wont until its to late and all we are left with is charity shops and pound shops......why do you think stockton are trying to regenerate there town centre because they did the same as darlington are doing and now they are paying for it[/p][/quote]could not agree more. Since the places you mention have become pedestrianized the middle of town has become quite includeing pubs as well as shops and it don't help the buses not cutting through town. I was in Darlington last week and have to say the land behind queens arcade is becoming a eyesore now and should have been re-developed years ago. the two boarded up nightclubs look terrible. This Land is ideal for a bus station but the council would rather chuck money a daft road re-modelling cholmes005
  • Score: 12

1:38pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Pierremontquaker03 says...

I put in a previous comment/post that I shop in Aycliffe (close to where I work) as all the car parks are free - I am fortunate (or unfortunate) to live quite close to Darlington town centre so I can walk in - but I can count on one hand the number of times I have been shopping their this year.
Fair play to Metcalfe's for doing what they are doing - we all know the council is killing this town and lets not go their with their part in the demise of Darlington FC.
PS - I used Metcalfe's for our wedding flowers and they were fantastic - highly recommended!!
I put in a previous comment/post that I shop in Aycliffe (close to where I work) as all the car parks are free - I am fortunate (or unfortunate) to live quite close to Darlington town centre so I can walk in - but I can count on one hand the number of times I have been shopping their this year. Fair play to Metcalfe's for doing what they are doing - we all know the council is killing this town and lets not go their with their part in the demise of Darlington FC. PS - I used Metcalfe's for our wedding flowers and they were fantastic - highly recommended!! Pierremontquaker03
  • Score: 15

1:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Spy Boy says...

“The correct approach would be to come to the council with a constructive plan, all he’s managed to do is get other towns cheering by running this town down."

Now here is a comment I've heard voiced on a number of occasions. What's it all about? It all sounds rather suspicious, especially when it has been mentioned by a number of sources. No doubt someone in the know will eventually be sufficiently disgruntled to spill the beans.
“The correct approach would be to come to the council with a constructive plan, all he’s managed to do is get other towns cheering by running this town down." Now here is a comment I've heard voiced on a number of occasions. What's it all about? It all sounds rather suspicious, especially when it has been mentioned by a number of sources. No doubt someone in the know will eventually be sufficiently disgruntled to spill the beans. Spy Boy
  • Score: -5

1:49pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Spy Boy says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
What a condescending moron. Come to the council with ideas.

Build a bus station
Get rid of Bid
Reduce parking charges
Tidy the streets properly
Reopen the toilets

People are telling you what to do. YOU'RE NOT LISTEN because you're too.full of your own importance to listen to other peoples views
Dead right, though I do feel that they are full of something slightly more manure based than their own self importance, though that too. As a caring, sharing and effective council they are a disgrace. Vote them out.
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: What a condescending moron. Come to the council with ideas. Build a bus station Get rid of Bid Reduce parking charges Tidy the streets properly Reopen the toilets People are telling you what to do. YOU'RE NOT LISTEN because you're too.full of your own importance to listen to other peoples views[/p][/quote]Dead right, though I do feel that they are full of something slightly more manure based than their own self importance, though that too. As a caring, sharing and effective council they are a disgrace. Vote them out. Spy Boy
  • Score: 7

2:05pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Spy Boy says...

oliviaden6 wrote:
If Bill Dixon and his cohorts ever bother to read these comments (which i doubt they do), they would surely act but as has been said over and over again, they are full of self importance and egotistical dopes who have slowly driven this once great and proud community into despair by its lack of leadership and wanton waste. The time has come for the voters of Darlington to get stuck in and oust these failures for the good of us all and especially our town and all of our futures.
Olivia, Dixon and Co mat well read these boards, but they can afford to laugh off all our comments as they feel bullet proof. They pretend to be socialists and wear the red rosette as they know it ensures them a place in the council. The apathy shown by low turnouts at local elections means that they stay in power and get more arrogant every time. They are disgusting individuals and I would not cast one vote their way ever. Tactical voting is required to get them out. Let's do it.
[quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: If Bill Dixon and his cohorts ever bother to read these comments (which i doubt they do), they would surely act but as has been said over and over again, they are full of self importance and egotistical dopes who have slowly driven this once great and proud community into despair by its lack of leadership and wanton waste. The time has come for the voters of Darlington to get stuck in and oust these failures for the good of us all and especially our town and all of our futures.[/p][/quote]Olivia, Dixon and Co mat well read these boards, but they can afford to laugh off all our comments as they feel bullet proof. They pretend to be socialists and wear the red rosette as they know it ensures them a place in the council. The apathy shown by low turnouts at local elections means that they stay in power and get more arrogant every time. They are disgusting individuals and I would not cast one vote their way ever. Tactical voting is required to get them out. Let's do it. Spy Boy
  • Score: 19

2:11pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Homshaw1 says...

miketually wrote:
I think we should have one month where the council traffic wardens are sent out to clamp down on bad parking outside the town centre, such as around schools at the start and end of the day.

For that month, all car parking in and around the centre is free and unrestricted. At the end of the month, we see whether people want the charges back.
May be we should have some fairness in parking enforcement because council workers seem to be exempt from it. A council officer came to see me a little while back regarding a rubbish problem and parked on yellow lines. I frequently see council vans parked in loading bays with the occupants eating sandwiched and reading newspapers and leaving without doing any work. Just last week I saw a council quad bike park outside Taylors while he went for food.

They seem to have exempted themselves from parking rules. It stinks!
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: I think we should have one month where the council traffic wardens are sent out to clamp down on bad parking outside the town centre, such as around schools at the start and end of the day. For that month, all car parking in and around the centre is free and unrestricted. At the end of the month, we see whether people want the charges back.[/p][/quote]May be we should have some fairness in parking enforcement because council workers seem to be exempt from it. A council officer came to see me a little while back regarding a rubbish problem and parked on yellow lines. I frequently see council vans parked in loading bays with the occupants eating sandwiched and reading newspapers and leaving without doing any work. Just last week I saw a council quad bike park outside Taylors while he went for food. They seem to have exempted themselves from parking rules. It stinks! Homshaw1
  • Score: 7

2:11pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Homshaw1 says...

miketually wrote:
I think we should have one month where the council traffic wardens are sent out to clamp down on bad parking outside the town centre, such as around schools at the start and end of the day.

For that month, all car parking in and around the centre is free and unrestricted. At the end of the month, we see whether people want the charges back.
May be we should have some fairness in parking enforcement because council workers seem to be exempt from it. A council officer came to see me a little while back regarding a rubbish problem and parked on yellow lines. I frequently see council vans parked in loading bays with the occupants eating sandwiched and reading newspapers and leaving without doing any work. Just last week I saw a council quad bike park outside Taylors while he went for food.

They seem to have exempted themselves from parking rules. It stinks!
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: I think we should have one month where the council traffic wardens are sent out to clamp down on bad parking outside the town centre, such as around schools at the start and end of the day. For that month, all car parking in and around the centre is free and unrestricted. At the end of the month, we see whether people want the charges back.[/p][/quote]May be we should have some fairness in parking enforcement because council workers seem to be exempt from it. A council officer came to see me a little while back regarding a rubbish problem and parked on yellow lines. I frequently see council vans parked in loading bays with the occupants eating sandwiched and reading newspapers and leaving without doing any work. Just last week I saw a council quad bike park outside Taylors while he went for food. They seem to have exempted themselves from parking rules. It stinks! Homshaw1
  • Score: 1

2:31pm Fri 4 Jul 14

bambara says...

I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it.
Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it.

Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket.
Of course that may be because I don't park illegally.
I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it. Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it. Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket. Of course that may be because I don't park illegally. bambara
  • Score: 12

2:39pm Fri 4 Jul 14

bambara says...

Interesting isn't it how many of those posting negative comments about Darlington and the local council seem to follow those up with advice about how to vote. Anyone would think they had a political motivation for the negative comments in the first place...

Que storm of protest from various right wing posters, accusations about my links to the council (I don't have any), Labour bias (not a member of the labour party and have commented previously about a number of Labour policies I strongly disagree with, and have stated that I regard them as simply the least worst option), and probably my sanity parentage and my unpleasant tendency to post actual facts and links to independant reports to back up my comments.
Interesting isn't it how many of those posting negative comments about Darlington and the local council seem to follow those up with advice about how to vote. Anyone would think they had a political motivation for the negative comments in the first place... Que storm of protest from various right wing posters, accusations about my links to the council (I don't have any), Labour bias (not a member of the labour party and have commented previously about a number of Labour policies I strongly disagree with, and have stated that I regard them as simply the least worst option), and probably my sanity parentage and my unpleasant tendency to post actual facts and links to independant reports to back up my comments. bambara
  • Score: 2

2:41pm Fri 4 Jul 14

andygib263 says...

I've been in the town centre today and on 3 more occasions in the last 4 weeks. Whilst I agree the town appears dirty and needs a good jet washing I had a very pleasant experience each time. Today the town was the busiest I've seen it and long may it continue.

Plus no parking tickets for me
I've been in the town centre today and on 3 more occasions in the last 4 weeks. Whilst I agree the town appears dirty and needs a good jet washing I had a very pleasant experience each time. Today the town was the busiest I've seen it and long may it continue. Plus no parking tickets for me andygib263
  • Score: 8

2:43pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Spy Boy says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
mercian2 wrote:
Homshaw1 what is your gripe with BID? You do know that they are not apart of the council, they work for the business in darlington town centre. I take it you pay a levy because if you do then i suppose you have a say, Because if you don't then i suppose you can't really complain. I support Rob Metcalfe's cause because something needs to change with the parking in the town.
BID was implemented by the council and is still heavily involved and a controlling influence in its running. There are minutes of meetings discussing the financial benefit of BID to the council. Many of the things done by BID was previously done and financed by the council in spite of it being promoted as being to finance extra services. It does little to improve the Town Centre or attract shoppers

It is one of the reasons small Town Centre businesses are struggling?

What do you feel BID does for the small shopkeeper in Darlington and do you feel it represents value for money?
Is it true that one of the council execs trousers twenty grand a year for heading this BiD scheme up? This is what I have heard. Twenty grand out of the pockets of people like Mr Metcalfe who are struggling to provide shops in the town that will bring people in.

If this cash strapped ( Brain strapped more like ) council don't get a bit more user friendly towards the people who pay their inflated wages and the people who would actually shop here, the town is going down the pan very soon, which will leave Bungalow Bill and his posse presiding over the ruins of a once great town.

Heard a great song on Facebook all about a council near you. Check it out.
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercian2[/bold] wrote: Homshaw1 what is your gripe with BID? You do know that they are not apart of the council, they work for the business in darlington town centre. I take it you pay a levy because if you do then i suppose you have a say, Because if you don't then i suppose you can't really complain. I support Rob Metcalfe's cause because something needs to change with the parking in the town.[/p][/quote]BID was implemented by the council and is still heavily involved and a controlling influence in its running. There are minutes of meetings discussing the financial benefit of BID to the council. Many of the things done by BID was previously done and financed by the council in spite of it being promoted as being to finance extra services. It does little to improve the Town Centre or attract shoppers It is one of the reasons small Town Centre businesses are struggling? What do you feel BID does for the small shopkeeper in Darlington and do you feel it represents value for money?[/p][/quote]Is it true that one of the council execs trousers twenty grand a year for heading this BiD scheme up? This is what I have heard. Twenty grand out of the pockets of people like Mr Metcalfe who are struggling to provide shops in the town that will bring people in. If this cash strapped ( Brain strapped more like ) council don't get a bit more user friendly towards the people who pay their inflated wages and the people who would actually shop here, the town is going down the pan very soon, which will leave Bungalow Bill and his posse presiding over the ruins of a once great town. Heard a great song on Facebook all about a council near you. Check it out. Spy Boy
  • Score: 3

3:12pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Awake-in-Darlo says...

If Mr Metcalfe was loading flowers for a funeral, could the person who issued him with a ticket not have used sensible discretion ? Too many jobsworths in this town. Did anyone else hear a news item on BBC radio
re: council officers wages are apparently supposed to be capped at a level (below £140,00 I think.?) less than Cameron and other Gov ministers earn.
Doesn`t Ms Burns pay herself more than that ? I may be wrong but sure have seen huge figures quoted on this site.
If Mr Metcalfe was loading flowers for a funeral, could the person who issued him with a ticket not have used sensible discretion ? Too many jobsworths in this town. Did anyone else hear a news item on BBC radio re: council officers wages are apparently supposed to be capped at a level (below £140,00 I think.?) less than Cameron and other Gov ministers earn. Doesn`t Ms Burns pay herself more than that ? I may be wrong but sure have seen huge figures quoted on this site. Awake-in-Darlo
  • Score: 10

3:16pm Fri 4 Jul 14

settheworldonfire says...

miketually wrote:
I think we should have one month where the council traffic wardens are sent out to clamp down on bad parking outside the town centre, such as around schools at the start and end of the day.

For that month, all car parking in and around the centre is free and unrestricted. At the end of the month, we see whether people want the charges back.
Outside of he church where the pie and keys always park on double yellow lines and never get a parking ticket as the cops and wardens are too scared to ticket them...
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: I think we should have one month where the council traffic wardens are sent out to clamp down on bad parking outside the town centre, such as around schools at the start and end of the day. For that month, all car parking in and around the centre is free and unrestricted. At the end of the month, we see whether people want the charges back.[/p][/quote]Outside of he church where the pie and keys always park on double yellow lines and never get a parking ticket as the cops and wardens are too scared to ticket them... settheworldonfire
  • Score: 6

3:44pm Fri 4 Jul 14

miketually says...

andygib263 wrote:
I've been in the town centre today and on 3 more occasions in the last 4 weeks. Whilst I agree the town appears dirty and needs a good jet washing I had a very pleasant experience each time. Today the town was the busiest I've seen it and long may it continue.

Plus no parking tickets for me
This mirrors our experiences as a family, though we have had two tickets. (One was for overstaying the paid-for period and one for not paying when parking just after five through complete forgetfulness. Both were fair cops, I reckon.)

I know at least one person who never pays and has never been ticketed. He says he'll pay quite happily if ticketed, as he'll have still saved money over not paying :)

Whenever we go into town, we comment that we must be going to a different Darlington to the one inhabited by the people who complain on here.
[quote][p][bold]andygib263[/bold] wrote: I've been in the town centre today and on 3 more occasions in the last 4 weeks. Whilst I agree the town appears dirty and needs a good jet washing I had a very pleasant experience each time. Today the town was the busiest I've seen it and long may it continue. Plus no parking tickets for me[/p][/quote]This mirrors our experiences as a family, though we have had two tickets. (One was for overstaying the paid-for period and one for not paying when parking just after five through complete forgetfulness. Both were fair cops, I reckon.) I know at least one person who never pays and has never been ticketed. He says he'll pay quite happily if ticketed, as he'll have still saved money over not paying :) Whenever we go into town, we comment that we must be going to a different Darlington to the one inhabited by the people who complain on here. miketually
  • Score: 9

4:28pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Homshaw1 says...

miketually wrote:
andygib263 wrote:
I've been in the town centre today and on 3 more occasions in the last 4 weeks. Whilst I agree the town appears dirty and needs a good jet washing I had a very pleasant experience each time. Today the town was the busiest I've seen it and long may it continue.

Plus no parking tickets for me
This mirrors our experiences as a family, though we have had two tickets. (One was for overstaying the paid-for period and one for not paying when parking just after five through complete forgetfulness. Both were fair cops, I reckon.)

I know at least one person who never pays and has never been ticketed. He says he'll pay quite happily if ticketed, as he'll have still saved money over not paying :)

Whenever we go into town, we comment that we must be going to a different Darlington to the one inhabited by the people who complain on here.
Do you get an invite to the council Christmas party?
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andygib263[/bold] wrote: I've been in the town centre today and on 3 more occasions in the last 4 weeks. Whilst I agree the town appears dirty and needs a good jet washing I had a very pleasant experience each time. Today the town was the busiest I've seen it and long may it continue. Plus no parking tickets for me[/p][/quote]This mirrors our experiences as a family, though we have had two tickets. (One was for overstaying the paid-for period and one for not paying when parking just after five through complete forgetfulness. Both were fair cops, I reckon.) I know at least one person who never pays and has never been ticketed. He says he'll pay quite happily if ticketed, as he'll have still saved money over not paying :) Whenever we go into town, we comment that we must be going to a different Darlington to the one inhabited by the people who complain on here.[/p][/quote]Do you get an invite to the council Christmas party? Homshaw1
  • Score: -10

4:35pm Fri 4 Jul 14

joedarlo45 says...

They very keen to issue tickets.....but maybe the powers up above could tell them to give a 10 minute period, before giving out a ticket???
Seem to remember a while back, that the council had around 20 wardens...I wonder if anyone or the Echo could tell us the exact number they employ, as if it is around 20..... It seems excessive
They very keen to issue tickets.....but maybe the powers up above could tell them to give a 10 minute period, before giving out a ticket??? Seem to remember a while back, that the council had around 20 wardens...I wonder if anyone or the Echo could tell us the exact number they employ, as if it is around 20..... It seems excessive joedarlo45
  • Score: 6

4:39pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Jonn says...

Bilb0Baggins wrote:
andygib263 wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again.
These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly!
Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.
Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??
You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets?
Sorry to be pedantic BUT, why when I am visiting Darlington do I feel the need to go in the council run leisure centre when shopping?? What am I going to buy there?
I know Macdonalds/Burger King/local pubs have toilets and I'm sure they will be only too happy if the entire visiting population goes in to use their toilets without purchasing anything.
OR is THAT the grand idea? Encourage those of us who have a modicum of manners and plain decency to be forced to use their toilets and buy something??
Yes, you are being pedantic. You said you stopped coming to Darlington because they closed a toilet! Really?
Why would you have to buy something from the Council run Leisure centre before using the toilet? The market toilets were Council run but you didn't have to buy something from the market before using the toilets. Did you buy something from the Cornmill before attempting to use their toilets?
[quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andygib263[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again. These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly![/p][/quote]Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.[/p][/quote]Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??[/p][/quote]You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets?[/p][/quote]Sorry to be pedantic BUT, why when I am visiting Darlington do I feel the need to go in the council run leisure centre when shopping?? What am I going to buy there? I know Macdonalds/Burger King/local pubs have toilets and I'm sure they will be only too happy if the entire visiting population goes in to use their toilets without purchasing anything. OR is THAT the grand idea? Encourage those of us who have a modicum of manners and plain decency to be forced to use their toilets and buy something??[/p][/quote]Yes, you are being pedantic. You said you stopped coming to Darlington because they closed a toilet! Really? Why would you have to buy something from the Council run Leisure centre before using the toilet? The market toilets were Council run but you didn't have to buy something from the market before using the toilets. Did you buy something from the Cornmill before attempting to use their toilets? Jonn
  • Score: -3

4:44pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Jonn says...

andygib263 wrote:
I've been in the town centre today and on 3 more occasions in the last 4 weeks. Whilst I agree the town appears dirty and needs a good jet washing I had a very pleasant experience each time. Today the town was the busiest I've seen it and long may it continue.

Plus no parking tickets for me
You probably didn't get a ticket because you parked in a proper car park and not on double yellow lines. Easy isn't it.
[quote][p][bold]andygib263[/bold] wrote: I've been in the town centre today and on 3 more occasions in the last 4 weeks. Whilst I agree the town appears dirty and needs a good jet washing I had a very pleasant experience each time. Today the town was the busiest I've seen it and long may it continue. Plus no parking tickets for me[/p][/quote]You probably didn't get a ticket because you parked in a proper car park and not on double yellow lines. Easy isn't it. Jonn
  • Score: 17

5:09pm Fri 4 Jul 14

RealLivin says...

Good old bill stated some where else that wardens are supposed to take 10 minutes to issues tickets, so if you are literally away for less than that and can prove it challenge the ticket. I personally think that every business/shop should have loading, delivery space available to them as close to there premises as possible, but not all need curb side access. It would be interesting if some one can devise a way to differentiate (cost effectively) between the lazy gits who wont walk anywhere and hog every available space close to shops and business from those genuinely trying to collect or delivery goods to large or heavy to carry across town from the car parks. As Bambara says if you have a grievance get you phone out and take pictures it amazing what happens when you publish these or use them in your defense.
Good old bill stated some where else that wardens are supposed to take 10 minutes to issues tickets, so if you are literally away for less than that and can prove it challenge the ticket. I personally think that every business/shop should have loading, delivery space available to them as close to there premises as possible, but not all need curb side access. It would be interesting if some one can devise a way to differentiate (cost effectively) between the lazy gits who wont walk anywhere and hog every available space close to shops and business from those genuinely trying to collect or delivery goods to large or heavy to carry across town from the car parks. As Bambara says if you have a grievance get you phone out and take pictures it amazing what happens when you publish these or use them in your defense. RealLivin
  • Score: 7

5:22pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Lancelot says...

"The correct approach would be to come to the council with a constructive plan"

Isn't that what the ratepayers pay their rates for, for the Council to run the town properly, or is it just to give Counsellors excessive amounts of money in expenses for destroying businesses?
"The correct approach would be to come to the council with a constructive plan" Isn't that what the ratepayers pay their rates for, for the Council to run the town properly, or is it just to give Counsellors excessive amounts of money in expenses for destroying businesses? Lancelot
  • Score: 10

5:41pm Fri 4 Jul 14

spragger says...

When they are finished come to the new Catterick Camp Development & the Scotch Corner Designer village
All with on site & free parking.
Its across the border and in a Labour Free Zone
Where people have choice, the local government is unobtrusive & not stalinist

Darlington's loss is Richmondshire's gain.
Keep on voting socialist Darlington
When they are finished come to the new Catterick Camp Development & the Scotch Corner Designer village All with on site & free parking. Its across the border and in a Labour Free Zone Where people have choice, the local government is unobtrusive & not stalinist Darlington's loss is Richmondshire's gain. Keep on voting socialist Darlington spragger
  • Score: 9

8:45pm Fri 4 Jul 14

SS says...

I may sound harsh, but is this not just a sign of the times??? I don't disagree that the parking situation has got something to do with it, but isn't it just that more and more people are choosing to order flowers from the internet. There is a massive car park right at the back of the shop for anyone who needs to park there. I have never had a problem parking in Darlington, there are loads of spaces. I do understand about the loading bay situation. Maybe the council could offer a permit like they do for residents parking?? Maybe the business owner should look into their web profile?? However, I do think that the quotes from Bill Dixon are unbelievably patronising.......
I may sound harsh, but is this not just a sign of the times??? I don't disagree that the parking situation has got something to do with it, but isn't it just that more and more people are choosing to order flowers from the internet. There is a massive car park right at the back of the shop for anyone who needs to park there. I have never had a problem parking in Darlington, there are loads of spaces. I do understand about the loading bay situation. Maybe the council could offer a permit like they do for residents parking?? Maybe the business owner should look into their web profile?? However, I do think that the quotes from Bill Dixon are unbelievably patronising....... SS
  • Score: 6

10:22pm Fri 4 Jul 14

loan_star says...

SS wrote:
I may sound harsh, but is this not just a sign of the times??? I don't disagree that the parking situation has got something to do with it, but isn't it just that more and more people are choosing to order flowers from the internet. There is a massive car park right at the back of the shop for anyone who needs to park there. I have never had a problem parking in Darlington, there are loads of spaces. I do understand about the loading bay situation. Maybe the council could offer a permit like they do for residents parking?? Maybe the business owner should look into their web profile?? However, I do think that the quotes from Bill Dixon are unbelievably patronising.......
The problem with permits is that DBC are charging people to park outside their business or home, something that should not be the case. If the permits were free (covered by the business rates or council tax of the whole town) then it wouldn't be so bad. Its disgusting that people should be charged to park outside their own home, especially when some of these houses are in the less affluent parts of town.
[quote][p][bold]SS[/bold] wrote: I may sound harsh, but is this not just a sign of the times??? I don't disagree that the parking situation has got something to do with it, but isn't it just that more and more people are choosing to order flowers from the internet. There is a massive car park right at the back of the shop for anyone who needs to park there. I have never had a problem parking in Darlington, there are loads of spaces. I do understand about the loading bay situation. Maybe the council could offer a permit like they do for residents parking?? Maybe the business owner should look into their web profile?? However, I do think that the quotes from Bill Dixon are unbelievably patronising.......[/p][/quote]The problem with permits is that DBC are charging people to park outside their business or home, something that should not be the case. If the permits were free (covered by the business rates or council tax of the whole town) then it wouldn't be so bad. Its disgusting that people should be charged to park outside their own home, especially when some of these houses are in the less affluent parts of town. loan_star
  • Score: 5

10:43pm Fri 4 Jul 14

HSC says...

Davy Crocket wrote:
I started shopping in Middlesbrough after I received 2 parking tickets in 3 weeks in Darlington. I was putting money into the economy there and was getting punished for it. My advice is go to Middlesbrough ... The council is more pragmatic and forgiving there.
Or just pay for a parking ticket!
[quote][p][bold]Davy Crocket[/bold] wrote: I started shopping in Middlesbrough after I received 2 parking tickets in 3 weeks in Darlington. I was putting money into the economy there and was getting punished for it. My advice is go to Middlesbrough ... The council is more pragmatic and forgiving there.[/p][/quote]Or just pay for a parking ticket! HSC
  • Score: 1

11:37pm Fri 4 Jul 14

FlyPoster says...

SS wrote:
I may sound harsh, but is this not just a sign of the times??? I don't disagree that the parking situation has got something to do with it, but isn't it just that more and more people are choosing to order flowers from the internet. There is a massive car park right at the back of the shop for anyone who needs to park there. I have never had a problem parking in Darlington, there are loads of spaces. I do understand about the loading bay situation. Maybe the council could offer a permit like they do for residents parking?? Maybe the business owner should look into their web profile?? However, I do think that the quotes from Bill Dixon are unbelievably patronising.......
SS you are totally correct about shopping trends changing, there is more competition etc. The whole reason I did this was to get all the other businesses to say something. When there's a recession or swings in shopping trends, shop takings for businesses affected will change accordingly.. I've been experiencing this for 30 years, it's normal.
The effect of pedestrianisation was sudden and affected ALL businesses,
The affects of making the majority of the town illegal to park on and ruthlessly enforcing it had an immediate affect on EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS in the town centre. The drop in footfall has been very dramatic and quick. If the internet was turned off and I was the only florist in town I would be experiencing exactly the same problem. I know I have a lot of very very loyal customers, many have become friends, mostly because we're honest and down to earth, if it was an industry problem why have the three shops next to me already had enough and gone. I will just relocate to a customer friendly location if we can't get something done quickly,
[quote][p][bold]SS[/bold] wrote: I may sound harsh, but is this not just a sign of the times??? I don't disagree that the parking situation has got something to do with it, but isn't it just that more and more people are choosing to order flowers from the internet. There is a massive car park right at the back of the shop for anyone who needs to park there. I have never had a problem parking in Darlington, there are loads of spaces. I do understand about the loading bay situation. Maybe the council could offer a permit like they do for residents parking?? Maybe the business owner should look into their web profile?? However, I do think that the quotes from Bill Dixon are unbelievably patronising.......[/p][/quote]SS you are totally correct about shopping trends changing, there is more competition etc. The whole reason I did this was to get all the other businesses to say something. When there's a recession or swings in shopping trends, shop takings for businesses affected will change accordingly.. I've been experiencing this for 30 years, it's normal. The effect of pedestrianisation was sudden and affected ALL businesses, The affects of making the majority of the town illegal to park on and ruthlessly enforcing it had an immediate affect on EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS in the town centre. The drop in footfall has been very dramatic and quick. If the internet was turned off and I was the only florist in town I would be experiencing exactly the same problem. I know I have a lot of very very loyal customers, many have become friends, mostly because we're honest and down to earth, if it was an industry problem why have the three shops next to me already had enough and gone. I will just relocate to a customer friendly location if we can't get something done quickly, FlyPoster
  • Score: 8

1:21am Sat 5 Jul 14

FlyPoster says...

Sorry SS this is Rob, you're totally correct about the web etc but we are still really busy , we have to be just to break even, the footfall and walk in trade was basically our wages if you like, after we'd paid the staff and other bills, it dropped dramatically and immediately because of the crackdown on parking, we are very much not alone but most people are too embarrassed to speak out. That's why I'm glad you noticed BILLS arrogance and contempt. The paper article is not exactly misquoting me but some of it maybe gives the wrong impression. It's not Joanna's fault, I could have filled the whole paper. I do have anger problems when dealing with idiots like Bill and being constantly prevented from running my business by the very people I pay a lot of money to for the supposed benefit of a town centre shop.. ...I mentioned losing my house to demonstrate the serious situation but mostly to show the other businesses that I was prepared to tell everything and lose my pride and dignity so all they had to do was stand up and say " I agree" and then we might get somewhere. Moving on, the article focused on my personal problems more than the issues I was using them to highlight. Again, Joanna is great, I haven't been misquoted, I gave her pages of ramble, she only had a few lines of space. Joanna knows what will get printed where and how quickly, and also what will grab the most attention which is exactly what I wanted from her and the article. To get me on the front page was a far better result than I had hoped for so I am extremely grateful to Joanna. Earlier in the week Beryl made an impassioned plea to the council , asking for help and saying we were all struggling, she's been lobbying him since the town make over. He's that arrogant and used to ignoring pleas of help and reversal of his wreck less decisions, she got a completely jibberish reply that could have been for any question, off a spokesperson, there was no big debate or gossip, I'd been avoiding Joanna all week hoping something would happen before I needed to reveal my personal life, not because I care what people think of me, I don't, I know I'm hardworking honest, trustworthy and have empathy for everybody, so if others judge me on what they read or rumours and gossip i really don't care. That said, I'm a private person, I really was not looking forward to what I'd decided I needed to do.
Me and my problems aren't the issue, parking isn't the issue, parking was the straw that broke the camels back, the issue is we have absolutely no say in how any OF OUR MONEY is being spent on OUR TOWN, we've all complained, pleaded, begged with no response at all. Since the town revamp every decision has affected our livlihoods, some very dramatically . We have no doubt we can have a successful florist wherever we relocate, if it was just floristry , we'd just shut, quietly! To prove my point, Bill has shown he has no desire to reverse his decision, and that he has arrogance and incompetence in abundance. To prove this was my only aim I'm now going back to being a florist..........the
res something in the pipeline, that if it works out, will give us all, business and customers a way to stand up as an individual in a way you're comfortable with, but let these idiots know that we are all together. I HAVENT GIVEN UP, BUT BILL HAS SHOWN CLEARLY NOW HE IS NOT GOING TO ACT ON AN ELOQUENT PLEA CORRECTLY CHANNELED, AND AS AN INDIVIDUAL HE WILL HAPPILY TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE YOURE JUST BAD AT BUSINESS, ONLY YOU ARE COMPLAINING, EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING GREAT.
All Town centre businesses, especially those around me (getting less quickly) know that the council are fully aware and Bills put down was purely to protect himself and make me look bad, luckily this must be obvious to most and back up isn't required (phew!!)
If this hasn't encouraged you people to stand up for yourselves I'm relocating as I have no inclination to spend the next ten years protesting, then hearing silence. Quite a few of you have already spoken, some very quickly and I'm eternally grateful as it makes making a huge tit of myself less embarrassing. You don't need to scream it from the rooftops, there's defo no group hugs, meetings, and **** . This isn't my idea, it's not my protest, nobody leads anybody else but we will be heard and you can do it in a way you're comfortable with but gains maximum impact and attention. You can privately tell me you're standing up if you wish, or tell me you're earning and decent profit so why bother. It's your life,
I know many of you may think my actions were rather mental, I think they were, if we just stand up for ourselves together there's no need to do it again.
I'm back to being Floweryrob and going down to funky town as from now ,it's more fun,
If you people keep standing up, and nothing has changed within a week or so we will hopefully know if the mad professors idea is possible,
To stand up for yourself go here or message.
https://m.facebook.c
om/story.php?story_f
bid=789282331104454&
id=185683474797679
Sorry SS this is Rob, you're totally correct about the web etc but we are still really busy , we have to be just to break even, the footfall and walk in trade was basically our wages if you like, after we'd paid the staff and other bills, it dropped dramatically and immediately because of the crackdown on parking, we are very much not alone but most people are too embarrassed to speak out. That's why I'm glad you noticed BILLS arrogance and contempt. The paper article is not exactly misquoting me but some of it maybe gives the wrong impression. It's not Joanna's fault, I could have filled the whole paper. I do have anger problems when dealing with idiots like Bill and being constantly prevented from running my business by the very people I pay a lot of money to for the supposed benefit of a town centre shop.. ...I mentioned losing my house to demonstrate the serious situation but mostly to show the other businesses that I was prepared to tell everything and lose my pride and dignity so all they had to do was stand up and say " I agree" and then we might get somewhere. Moving on, the article focused on my personal problems more than the issues I was using them to highlight. Again, Joanna is great, I haven't been misquoted, I gave her pages of ramble, she only had a few lines of space. Joanna knows what will get printed where and how quickly, and also what will grab the most attention which is exactly what I wanted from her and the article. To get me on the front page was a far better result than I had hoped for so I am extremely grateful to Joanna. Earlier in the week Beryl made an impassioned plea to the council , asking for help and saying we were all struggling, she's been lobbying him since the town make over. He's that arrogant and used to ignoring pleas of help and reversal of his wreck less decisions, she got a completely jibberish reply that could have been for any question, off a spokesperson, there was no big debate or gossip, I'd been avoiding Joanna all week hoping something would happen before I needed to reveal my personal life, not because I care what people think of me, I don't, I know I'm hardworking honest, trustworthy and have empathy for everybody, so if others judge me on what they read or rumours and gossip i really don't care. That said, I'm a private person, I really was not looking forward to what I'd decided I needed to do. Me and my problems aren't the issue, parking isn't the issue, parking was the straw that broke the camels back, the issue is we have absolutely no say in how any OF OUR MONEY is being spent on OUR TOWN, we've all complained, pleaded, begged with no response at all. Since the town revamp every decision has affected our livlihoods, some very dramatically . We have no doubt we can have a successful florist wherever we relocate, if it was just floristry , we'd just shut, quietly! To prove my point, Bill has shown he has no desire to reverse his decision, and that he has arrogance and incompetence in abundance. To prove this was my only aim I'm now going back to being a florist..........the res something in the pipeline, that if it works out, will give us all, business and customers a way to stand up as an individual in a way you're comfortable with, but let these idiots know that we are all together. I HAVENT GIVEN UP, BUT BILL HAS SHOWN CLEARLY NOW HE IS NOT GOING TO ACT ON AN ELOQUENT PLEA CORRECTLY CHANNELED, AND AS AN INDIVIDUAL HE WILL HAPPILY TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE YOURE JUST BAD AT BUSINESS, ONLY YOU ARE COMPLAINING, EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING GREAT. All Town centre businesses, especially those around me (getting less quickly) know that the council are fully aware and Bills put down was purely to protect himself and make me look bad, luckily this must be obvious to most and back up isn't required (phew!!) If this hasn't encouraged you people to stand up for yourselves I'm relocating as I have no inclination to spend the next ten years protesting, then hearing silence. Quite a few of you have already spoken, some very quickly and I'm eternally grateful as it makes making a huge tit of myself less embarrassing. You don't need to scream it from the rooftops, there's defo no group hugs, meetings, and **** . This isn't my idea, it's not my protest, nobody leads anybody else but we will be heard and you can do it in a way you're comfortable with but gains maximum impact and attention. You can privately tell me you're standing up if you wish, or tell me you're earning and decent profit so why bother. It's your life, I know many of you may think my actions were rather mental, I think they were, if we just stand up for ourselves together there's no need to do it again. I'm back to being Floweryrob and going down to funky town as from now ,it's more fun, If you people keep standing up, and nothing has changed within a week or so we will hopefully know if the mad professors idea is possible, To stand up for yourself go here or message. https://m.facebook.c om/story.php?story_f bid=789282331104454& id=185683474797679 FlyPoster
  • Score: 14

8:59am Sat 5 Jul 14

mikyman says...

Every one who complains about this council and its weird ways knows what to do - vote them out!
We need a strong opposition in Darlo,but where is it?
Conservatives,: a weak badly managed party ,not holding this council to account
Lib Dems; who?
Independents ; who? gone to sleep.
UKIP; could be a force to be reckoned with,even amongst labour voters.Just need to get their act together in this town.
Labour councillors; stop blindly playing follow my leader and get a spine.Stand up to some of these mad schemes.
Lets work to change the political face of Darlo next May and bring some pride back to this town!
Every one who complains about this council and its weird ways knows what to do - vote them out! We need a strong opposition in Darlo,but where is it? Conservatives,: a weak badly managed party ,not holding this council to account Lib Dems; who? Independents ; who? gone to sleep. UKIP; could be a force to be reckoned with,even amongst labour voters.Just need to get their act together in this town. Labour councillors; stop blindly playing follow my leader and get a spine.Stand up to some of these mad schemes. Lets work to change the political face of Darlo next May and bring some pride back to this town! mikyman
  • Score: 5

10:09am Sat 5 Jul 14

andygib263 says...

loan_star wrote:
SS wrote:
I may sound harsh, but is this not just a sign of the times??? I don't disagree that the parking situation has got something to do with it, but isn't it just that more and more people are choosing to order flowers from the internet. There is a massive car park right at the back of the shop for anyone who needs to park there. I have never had a problem parking in Darlington, there are loads of spaces. I do understand about the loading bay situation. Maybe the council could offer a permit like they do for residents parking?? Maybe the business owner should look into their web profile?? However, I do think that the quotes from Bill Dixon are unbelievably patronising.......
The problem with permits is that DBC are charging people to park outside their business or home, something that should not be the case. If the permits were free (covered by the business rates or council tax of the whole town) then it wouldn't be so bad. Its disgusting that people should be charged to park outside their own home, especially when some of these houses are in the less affluent parts of town.
You don't own the road outside your house unless you have a garden/drive.
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SS[/bold] wrote: I may sound harsh, but is this not just a sign of the times??? I don't disagree that the parking situation has got something to do with it, but isn't it just that more and more people are choosing to order flowers from the internet. There is a massive car park right at the back of the shop for anyone who needs to park there. I have never had a problem parking in Darlington, there are loads of spaces. I do understand about the loading bay situation. Maybe the council could offer a permit like they do for residents parking?? Maybe the business owner should look into their web profile?? However, I do think that the quotes from Bill Dixon are unbelievably patronising.......[/p][/quote]The problem with permits is that DBC are charging people to park outside their business or home, something that should not be the case. If the permits were free (covered by the business rates or council tax of the whole town) then it wouldn't be so bad. Its disgusting that people should be charged to park outside their own home, especially when some of these houses are in the less affluent parts of town.[/p][/quote]You don't own the road outside your house unless you have a garden/drive. andygib263
  • Score: 0

11:00am Sat 5 Jul 14

Waysuepet says...

I received a parking fine for having a tyre outside of the bay. The parking spot was against a barrier and was only just the regulation size required by law. Because it was against a barrier it didn't have the room a normal bay would have as the passenger door couldn't swing slightly into the neighbouring bay. If I had parked within the lines my aged mother could not get out of the car. I appealed the ticket as I argued a parent with small children would need to get their children out of the car, leave them unattended whilst they parked within the lines. The ticket was revoked but it certainly put me off going to Darlington.
I received a parking fine for having a tyre outside of the bay. The parking spot was against a barrier and was only just the regulation size required by law. Because it was against a barrier it didn't have the room a normal bay would have as the passenger door couldn't swing slightly into the neighbouring bay. If I had parked within the lines my aged mother could not get out of the car. I appealed the ticket as I argued a parent with small children would need to get their children out of the car, leave them unattended whilst they parked within the lines. The ticket was revoked but it certainly put me off going to Darlington. Waysuepet
  • Score: 1

3:00pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Jaime2505 says...

I run a privately owned business in the town centre and agree that parking charges are an issue, I have had a few tickets when parking in the 30 minute bays in the market square where I have called in to work to pick something up and not got back out as quickly a intended due to talking to customers however, I also used to work in finance at the council and if they didn't charge for parking then your council tax would have to increase. The money has to come from somewhere and surely it better that charges apply to those directly using the car parks rather than everyone in the whole town having to pay more council tax. I don't think parking charges are the issue it is the parking fines due to a lack of free short stay/loading areas which are a problem.
I run a privately owned business in the town centre and agree that parking charges are an issue, I have had a few tickets when parking in the 30 minute bays in the market square where I have called in to work to pick something up and not got back out as quickly a intended due to talking to customers however, I also used to work in finance at the council and if they didn't charge for parking then your council tax would have to increase. The money has to come from somewhere and surely it better that charges apply to those directly using the car parks rather than everyone in the whole town having to pay more council tax. I don't think parking charges are the issue it is the parking fines due to a lack of free short stay/loading areas which are a problem. Jaime2505
  • Score: 9

4:12pm Sat 5 Jul 14

FlyPoster says...

Spy Boy wrote:
“The correct approach would be to come to the council with a constructive plan, all he’s managed to do is get other towns cheering by running this town down."

Now here is a comment I've heard voiced on a number of occasions. What's it all about? It all sounds rather suspicious, especially when it has been mentioned by a number of sources. No doubt someone in the know will eventually be sufficiently disgruntled to spill the beans.
Spy boy, Beryl Guru had been approaching Bill Dixon since pedestrianisation in the correct manner. The majority of the businesses in Skinnergate publicly begged him to re-open the road, THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME, MY SHOP,MY PARKING. THE WHOLE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS THAT WE ARE ALL SUFFERING BUT BILL DIXONS EXTREME ARROGANCE WILL NOT ALLOW HIM TO ADMIT HIS DECISIONS HAVE WRECKED THIS TOWN AND HIS REFUSAL TO EVEN LISTEN!
The fact that people think my house plant selection is to blame does not faze me. The majority of intelligent people can clearly see that the reason I did this was to create a high impact response and alert as many people as possible. The fact people are commenting , even if they are critiquing me instead of the issue proves my plan worked. People are talking about more now than in the last decade, that's the only way to change this town. For people with low intelligence, if it was my shop only as Bill is stating, why have my 3 neighbours already given up and gone???
Dumb
[quote][p][bold]Spy Boy[/bold] wrote: “The correct approach would be to come to the council with a constructive plan, all he’s managed to do is get other towns cheering by running this town down." Now here is a comment I've heard voiced on a number of occasions. What's it all about? It all sounds rather suspicious, especially when it has been mentioned by a number of sources. No doubt someone in the know will eventually be sufficiently disgruntled to spill the beans.[/p][/quote]Spy boy, Beryl Guru had been approaching Bill Dixon since pedestrianisation in the correct manner. The majority of the businesses in Skinnergate publicly begged him to re-open the road, THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME, MY SHOP,MY PARKING. THE WHOLE POINT I WAS MAKING WAS THAT WE ARE ALL SUFFERING BUT BILL DIXONS EXTREME ARROGANCE WILL NOT ALLOW HIM TO ADMIT HIS DECISIONS HAVE WRECKED THIS TOWN AND HIS REFUSAL TO EVEN LISTEN! The fact that people think my house plant selection is to blame does not faze me. The majority of intelligent people can clearly see that the reason I did this was to create a high impact response and alert as many people as possible. The fact people are commenting , even if they are critiquing me instead of the issue proves my plan worked. People are talking about more now than in the last decade, that's the only way to change this town. For people with low intelligence, if it was my shop only as Bill is stating, why have my 3 neighbours already given up and gone??? Dumb FlyPoster
  • Score: 5

4:17pm Sat 5 Jul 14

FlyPoster says...

Awake-in-Darlo wrote:
If Mr Metcalfe was loading flowers for a funeral, could the person who issued him with a ticket not have used sensible discretion ? Too many jobsworths in this town. Did anyone else hear a news item on BBC radio
re: council officers wages are apparently supposed to be capped at a level (below £140,00 I think.?) less than Cameron and other Gov ministers earn.
Doesn`t Ms Burns pay herself more than that ? I may be wrong but sure have seen huge figures quoted on this site.
Yeh he could, this is what inadvertently turned me militant, all the other wardens would have moved the people in the loading bay sat watching. I complained about his manner, couple of days later he gave me another when trying to get into my own private space that every time I leave, is filled by somebody just nipping to the bank who has nowhere to park. These are just my issues, the whole town has many easily solved issues.
[quote][p][bold]Awake-in-Darlo[/bold] wrote: If Mr Metcalfe was loading flowers for a funeral, could the person who issued him with a ticket not have used sensible discretion ? Too many jobsworths in this town. Did anyone else hear a news item on BBC radio re: council officers wages are apparently supposed to be capped at a level (below £140,00 I think.?) less than Cameron and other Gov ministers earn. Doesn`t Ms Burns pay herself more than that ? I may be wrong but sure have seen huge figures quoted on this site.[/p][/quote]Yeh he could, this is what inadvertently turned me militant, all the other wardens would have moved the people in the loading bay sat watching. I complained about his manner, couple of days later he gave me another when trying to get into my own private space that every time I leave, is filled by somebody just nipping to the bank who has nowhere to park. These are just my issues, the whole town has many easily solved issues. FlyPoster
  • Score: 4

7:18pm Sat 5 Jul 14

FlyPoster says...

bambara wrote:
I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it.
Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it.

Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket.
Of course that may be because I don't park illegally.
Have you got Bill Dixons glasses on, you are entitled to your opinion. If you read the whole problem you'd realise that bill has made all the places that were legal..... Illegal.......so if many times a day I need access that was available and safer for 26 years previous........my only choice is park illegally....or miss a 40yr old ladies funeral, who sadly passed early, and the flowers were the last thing her children would be giving her.Now unlike Bill I have empathy. This is a daily frustration and the reason THE THREE SHOPS NEXT TO ME HAVE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH AND GONE!
ANYBODY LISTENING TO BILL AND THINKING ITS ONLY MY INDUSTRY SHOULD PERHAPS WONDER WHY IM VERY QUICKLY BEING ABANDONED. HE'll be saying next that they were all making too much profit so they left. AGAIN LETS NOT FOCUS ON MY ISSUES ,LIKE I KEEP SAYING ALL PREVIOUS CORRECT CHANNEL APPROACHES HAVENT EVEN HAD A RESPONSE, LET ALONE A MEETING AND MOST DEFINATELY NO ACTION.
I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED MY PROBLEMS IN A WAY I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PURELY TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CAN BE LISTENED TO. Obviosly the people I confided this in had an agenda I didn't know about so are unable to confirm my plan, it doesn't bother me as even when people don't understand it's not about me, it's more publicity that bill is unfit for purpose. So thank you x Rob
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it. Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it. Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket. Of course that may be because I don't park illegally.[/p][/quote]Have you got Bill Dixons glasses on, you are entitled to your opinion. If you read the whole problem you'd realise that bill has made all the places that were legal..... Illegal.......so if many times a day I need access that was available and safer for 26 years previous........my only choice is park illegally....or miss a 40yr old ladies funeral, who sadly passed early, and the flowers were the last thing her children would be giving her.Now unlike Bill I have empathy. This is a daily frustration and the reason THE THREE SHOPS NEXT TO ME HAVE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH AND GONE! ANYBODY LISTENING TO BILL AND THINKING ITS ONLY MY INDUSTRY SHOULD PERHAPS WONDER WHY IM VERY QUICKLY BEING ABANDONED. HE'll be saying next that they were all making too much profit so they left. AGAIN LETS NOT FOCUS ON MY ISSUES ,LIKE I KEEP SAYING ALL PREVIOUS CORRECT CHANNEL APPROACHES HAVENT EVEN HAD A RESPONSE, LET ALONE A MEETING AND MOST DEFINATELY NO ACTION. I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED MY PROBLEMS IN A WAY I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PURELY TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CAN BE LISTENED TO. Obviosly the people I confided this in had an agenda I didn't know about so are unable to confirm my plan, it doesn't bother me as even when people don't understand it's not about me, it's more publicity that bill is unfit for purpose. So thank you x Rob FlyPoster
  • Score: 4

7:23pm Sat 5 Jul 14

FlyPoster says...

Awake-in-Darlo wrote:
If Mr Metcalfe was loading flowers for a funeral, could the person who issued him with a ticket not have used sensible discretion ? Too many jobsworths in this town. Did anyone else hear a news item on BBC radio
re: council officers wages are apparently supposed to be capped at a level (below £140,00 I think.?) less than Cameron and other Gov ministers earn.
Doesn`t Ms Burns pay herself more than that ? I may be wrong but sure have seen huge figures quoted on this site.
Most wardens yes, this one no... The people he has given tickets to has people cringing.....frail, disabled,....he doesn't care ... he has Bill Dixons empathy level but doesn't pretend to,,,so really he is actually a much better person than Bill.....
[quote][p][bold]Awake-in-Darlo[/bold] wrote: If Mr Metcalfe was loading flowers for a funeral, could the person who issued him with a ticket not have used sensible discretion ? Too many jobsworths in this town. Did anyone else hear a news item on BBC radio re: council officers wages are apparently supposed to be capped at a level (below £140,00 I think.?) less than Cameron and other Gov ministers earn. Doesn`t Ms Burns pay herself more than that ? I may be wrong but sure have seen huge figures quoted on this site.[/p][/quote]Most wardens yes, this one no... The people he has given tickets to has people cringing.....frail, disabled,....he doesn't care ... he has Bill Dixons empathy level but doesn't pretend to,,,so really he is actually a much better person than Bill..... FlyPoster
  • Score: 3

11:51pm Sat 5 Jul 14

bambara says...

FlyPoster wrote:
bambara wrote:
I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it.
Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it.

Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket.
Of course that may be because I don't park illegally.
Have you got Bill Dixons glasses on, you are entitled to your opinion. If you read the whole problem you'd realise that bill has made all the places that were legal..... Illegal.......so if many times a day I need access that was available and safer for 26 years previous........my only choice is park illegally....or miss a 40yr old ladies funeral, who sadly passed early, and the flowers were the last thing her children would be giving her.Now unlike Bill I have empathy. This is a daily frustration and the reason THE THREE SHOPS NEXT TO ME HAVE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH AND GONE!
ANYBODY LISTENING TO BILL AND THINKING ITS ONLY MY INDUSTRY SHOULD PERHAPS WONDER WHY IM VERY QUICKLY BEING ABANDONED. HE'll be saying next that they were all making too much profit so they left. AGAIN LETS NOT FOCUS ON MY ISSUES ,LIKE I KEEP SAYING ALL PREVIOUS CORRECT CHANNEL APPROACHES HAVENT EVEN HAD A RESPONSE, LET ALONE A MEETING AND MOST DEFINATELY NO ACTION.
I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED MY PROBLEMS IN A WAY I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PURELY TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CAN BE LISTENED TO. Obviosly the people I confided this in had an agenda I didn't know about so are unable to confirm my plan, it doesn't bother me as even when people don't understand it's not about me, it's more publicity that bill is unfit for purpose. So thank you x Rob
You know what Flyboy I had a certain amount of sympathy for your situation until that little rant.

Easy option for you, move out. Go on vote with your feet if you are not happy, but don't sit there in the same spot for 26 years and expect that the world won't change.
You complain that other people are parking in your reserved spot and then complain that you get a ticket when you park illegally. Well guess what, it's not just the customers that the wardens are there to stop when they park illegally. If you can't get parked close then park further away and use a trolley to move the stuff to your van, and if you can't do that and it is a problem for you, then move. The world has changed, the amount of traffic has increased and our roads are more crowded. You have been in the same location for 26 years and the world has changed around you.
The town has changed but you haven't.
The world has changed but you haven't.

It's not about bill, it's about you.
[quote][p][bold]FlyPoster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it. Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it. Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket. Of course that may be because I don't park illegally.[/p][/quote]Have you got Bill Dixons glasses on, you are entitled to your opinion. If you read the whole problem you'd realise that bill has made all the places that were legal..... Illegal.......so if many times a day I need access that was available and safer for 26 years previous........my only choice is park illegally....or miss a 40yr old ladies funeral, who sadly passed early, and the flowers were the last thing her children would be giving her.Now unlike Bill I have empathy. This is a daily frustration and the reason THE THREE SHOPS NEXT TO ME HAVE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH AND GONE! ANYBODY LISTENING TO BILL AND THINKING ITS ONLY MY INDUSTRY SHOULD PERHAPS WONDER WHY IM VERY QUICKLY BEING ABANDONED. HE'll be saying next that they were all making too much profit so they left. AGAIN LETS NOT FOCUS ON MY ISSUES ,LIKE I KEEP SAYING ALL PREVIOUS CORRECT CHANNEL APPROACHES HAVENT EVEN HAD A RESPONSE, LET ALONE A MEETING AND MOST DEFINATELY NO ACTION. I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED MY PROBLEMS IN A WAY I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PURELY TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CAN BE LISTENED TO. Obviosly the people I confided this in had an agenda I didn't know about so are unable to confirm my plan, it doesn't bother me as even when people don't understand it's not about me, it's more publicity that bill is unfit for purpose. So thank you x Rob[/p][/quote]You know what Flyboy I had a certain amount of sympathy for your situation until that little rant. Easy option for you, move out. Go on vote with your feet if you are not happy, but don't sit there in the same spot for 26 years and expect that the world won't change. You complain that other people are parking in your reserved spot and then complain that you get a ticket when you park illegally. Well guess what, it's not just the customers that the wardens are there to stop when they park illegally. If you can't get parked close then park further away and use a trolley to move the stuff to your van, and if you can't do that and it is a problem for you, then move. The world has changed, the amount of traffic has increased and our roads are more crowded. You have been in the same location for 26 years and the world has changed around you. The town has changed but you haven't. The world has changed but you haven't. It's not about bill, it's about you. bambara
  • Score: -9

10:36am Sun 6 Jul 14

DarloXman says...

bambara wrote:
FlyPoster wrote:
bambara wrote:
I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it.
Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it.

Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket.
Of course that may be because I don't park illegally.
Have you got Bill Dixons glasses on, you are entitled to your opinion. If you read the whole problem you'd realise that bill has made all the places that were legal..... Illegal.......so if many times a day I need access that was available and safer for 26 years previous........my only choice is park illegally....or miss a 40yr old ladies funeral, who sadly passed early, and the flowers were the last thing her children would be giving her.Now unlike Bill I have empathy. This is a daily frustration and the reason THE THREE SHOPS NEXT TO ME HAVE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH AND GONE!
ANYBODY LISTENING TO BILL AND THINKING ITS ONLY MY INDUSTRY SHOULD PERHAPS WONDER WHY IM VERY QUICKLY BEING ABANDONED. HE'll be saying next that they were all making too much profit so they left. AGAIN LETS NOT FOCUS ON MY ISSUES ,LIKE I KEEP SAYING ALL PREVIOUS CORRECT CHANNEL APPROACHES HAVENT EVEN HAD A RESPONSE, LET ALONE A MEETING AND MOST DEFINATELY NO ACTION.
I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED MY PROBLEMS IN A WAY I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PURELY TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CAN BE LISTENED TO. Obviosly the people I confided this in had an agenda I didn't know about so are unable to confirm my plan, it doesn't bother me as even when people don't understand it's not about me, it's more publicity that bill is unfit for purpose. So thank you x Rob
You know what Flyboy I had a certain amount of sympathy for your situation until that little rant.

Easy option for you, move out. Go on vote with your feet if you are not happy, but don't sit there in the same spot for 26 years and expect that the world won't change.
You complain that other people are parking in your reserved spot and then complain that you get a ticket when you park illegally. Well guess what, it's not just the customers that the wardens are there to stop when they park illegally. If you can't get parked close then park further away and use a trolley to move the stuff to your van, and if you can't do that and it is a problem for you, then move. The world has changed, the amount of traffic has increased and our roads are more crowded. You have been in the same location for 26 years and the world has changed around you.
The town has changed but you haven't.
The world has changed but you haven't.

It's not about bill, it's about you.
If everyone had the attitude that you suggest - give up and move out - then Darlington truly will be dead! Everyone has a right to fight for what they believe is right - I'm sure this business will have many loyal, regular customers who will be inconvenienced if they move out of Darlington - hence there are reasons to try and stay!

It's interesting you say "The world has changed but you haven't" - I will remind you of that next time you produce statistics from the 1970's!

Good luck with your battle Flyposter - you can see from the responses on this page and on your Facebook account that most people in Darlington are with you. I will have a look in your shop next time I'm in Darlo - which unfortunately for the reasons highlighted above is not very often now!
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FlyPoster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it. Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it. Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket. Of course that may be because I don't park illegally.[/p][/quote]Have you got Bill Dixons glasses on, you are entitled to your opinion. If you read the whole problem you'd realise that bill has made all the places that were legal..... Illegal.......so if many times a day I need access that was available and safer for 26 years previous........my only choice is park illegally....or miss a 40yr old ladies funeral, who sadly passed early, and the flowers were the last thing her children would be giving her.Now unlike Bill I have empathy. This is a daily frustration and the reason THE THREE SHOPS NEXT TO ME HAVE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH AND GONE! ANYBODY LISTENING TO BILL AND THINKING ITS ONLY MY INDUSTRY SHOULD PERHAPS WONDER WHY IM VERY QUICKLY BEING ABANDONED. HE'll be saying next that they were all making too much profit so they left. AGAIN LETS NOT FOCUS ON MY ISSUES ,LIKE I KEEP SAYING ALL PREVIOUS CORRECT CHANNEL APPROACHES HAVENT EVEN HAD A RESPONSE, LET ALONE A MEETING AND MOST DEFINATELY NO ACTION. I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED MY PROBLEMS IN A WAY I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PURELY TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CAN BE LISTENED TO. Obviosly the people I confided this in had an agenda I didn't know about so are unable to confirm my plan, it doesn't bother me as even when people don't understand it's not about me, it's more publicity that bill is unfit for purpose. So thank you x Rob[/p][/quote]You know what Flyboy I had a certain amount of sympathy for your situation until that little rant. Easy option for you, move out. Go on vote with your feet if you are not happy, but don't sit there in the same spot for 26 years and expect that the world won't change. You complain that other people are parking in your reserved spot and then complain that you get a ticket when you park illegally. Well guess what, it's not just the customers that the wardens are there to stop when they park illegally. If you can't get parked close then park further away and use a trolley to move the stuff to your van, and if you can't do that and it is a problem for you, then move. The world has changed, the amount of traffic has increased and our roads are more crowded. You have been in the same location for 26 years and the world has changed around you. The town has changed but you haven't. The world has changed but you haven't. It's not about bill, it's about you.[/p][/quote]If everyone had the attitude that you suggest - give up and move out - then Darlington truly will be dead! Everyone has a right to fight for what they believe is right - I'm sure this business will have many loyal, regular customers who will be inconvenienced if they move out of Darlington - hence there are reasons to try and stay! It's interesting you say "The world has changed but you haven't" - I will remind you of that next time you produce statistics from the 1970's! Good luck with your battle Flyposter - you can see from the responses on this page and on your Facebook account that most people in Darlington are with you. I will have a look in your shop next time I'm in Darlo - which unfortunately for the reasons highlighted above is not very often now! DarloXman
  • Score: 10

12:31pm Sun 6 Jul 14

loan_star says...

What annoys me is quite often you have cars parked in loading bays so they can visit the bank or nip to a shop. I once had to deliver a load of boxes to the Imperial Centre and pulled up outside and had a car parked in the small loading bay. I had no choice but to park half my van in the loading bay and the other half overlapping a taxi rank twice the size of the loading bay, there were no taxis there at the time or when I returned so at no time was I stopping a taxi from using the rank. When I had dropped the last of the boxes off I came back to find a ticket on the van and no warden in sight. I appealed the ticket and had back up from the customer that I had been delivering, the appeal was turned down.
How would the wardens feel if they were told they had to leave there ticketing machine back in the town hall and have to return there to pick it up every time they had to issue a ticket? Yet they expect delivery drivers to have to park well away from where they are delivering/collectin
g from if there is no "legal" space to park in.
What annoys me is quite often you have cars parked in loading bays so they can visit the bank or nip to a shop. I once had to deliver a load of boxes to the Imperial Centre and pulled up outside and had a car parked in the small loading bay. I had no choice but to park half my van in the loading bay and the other half overlapping a taxi rank twice the size of the loading bay, there were no taxis there at the time or when I returned so at no time was I stopping a taxi from using the rank. When I had dropped the last of the boxes off I came back to find a ticket on the van and no warden in sight. I appealed the ticket and had back up from the customer that I had been delivering, the appeal was turned down. How would the wardens feel if they were told they had to leave there ticketing machine back in the town hall and have to return there to pick it up every time they had to issue a ticket? Yet they expect delivery drivers to have to park well away from where they are delivering/collectin g from if there is no "legal" space to park in. loan_star
  • Score: 5

7:02pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Homshaw1 says...

The high cost of parking and BID is primarily a fund raising exercise by a council that can not manage it's finances. It only became an issue when central government cut back on grants.

It's a shame hard working businesses that have been in existence for many years seem to be suffering so badly because of it.
The high cost of parking and BID is primarily a fund raising exercise by a council that can not manage it's finances. It only became an issue when central government cut back on grants. It's a shame hard working businesses that have been in existence for many years seem to be suffering so badly because of it. Homshaw1
  • Score: 6

8:18am Mon 7 Jul 14

Jonn says...

I'm not sure what Mr Metcalfe is asking for here.
Is he losing custom because his customers can't park outside his door?
There is a car park directly behind his premises, a 30 second walk, which costs £1. If his customers are driving specifically to visit him, surely they can use this car park? Surely, rather than lose business, maybe he could offer to pay the £1 for his customers to park and collect?
As far a him loading and unloading, there is a bay right outside his shop. If it is occupied by others sometimes, maybe he should have an alternative plan such as parking behind his shop and using a trolley to transport goods.
Darlington town centre is quite small, if free parking was offered in the centre any car park would be quickly swamped and congestion would be alot worse.
I'm not sure what Mr Metcalfe is asking for here. Is he losing custom because his customers can't park outside his door? There is a car park directly behind his premises, a 30 second walk, which costs £1. If his customers are driving specifically to visit him, surely they can use this car park? Surely, rather than lose business, maybe he could offer to pay the £1 for his customers to park and collect? As far a him loading and unloading, there is a bay right outside his shop. If it is occupied by others sometimes, maybe he should have an alternative plan such as parking behind his shop and using a trolley to transport goods. Darlington town centre is quite small, if free parking was offered in the centre any car park would be quickly swamped and congestion would be alot worse. Jonn
  • Score: 11

7:36pm Mon 7 Jul 14

LUSTARD says...

you should publish how much your rent is and how much the council demands in rates, let the public know how much they are robbing you of and they dont even own the building, then people might understand a bit better, beileve me the public know nothing at all about costs.
you should publish how much your rent is and how much the council demands in rates, let the public know how much they are robbing you of and they dont even own the building, then people might understand a bit better, beileve me the public know nothing at all about costs. LUSTARD
  • Score: 6

11:21am Tue 8 Jul 14

LUSTARD says...

Darloresident wrote:
So there you have it.. Mr Metcalfe according to Billy boy has only himself to blame for his sad predicament..
Its one thing for us the public to voice concerns over the town centres management but now the traders are starting to turn...
Take heed Bill because if the chorus of disapproval from the good townsfolk of Darlington reach the ears of the national press then you and your gravy train buddies might find your salaries and track records under scrutiny.
Pay cuts for the binmen whilst giving 10 grand increases for the Managers will not go down well in the pages of The Mail and Private Eye..
beryl and bill in the pages of private eye, crikey
[quote][p][bold]Darloresident[/bold] wrote: So there you have it.. Mr Metcalfe according to Billy boy has only himself to blame for his sad predicament.. Its one thing for us the public to voice concerns over the town centres management but now the traders are starting to turn... Take heed Bill because if the chorus of disapproval from the good townsfolk of Darlington reach the ears of the national press then you and your gravy train buddies might find your salaries and track records under scrutiny. Pay cuts for the binmen whilst giving 10 grand increases for the Managers will not go down well in the pages of The Mail and Private Eye..[/p][/quote]beryl and bill in the pages of private eye, crikey LUSTARD
  • Score: 4

11:24am Tue 8 Jul 14

LUSTARD says...

Bilb0Baggins wrote:
andygib263 wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Bilb0Baggins wrote:
I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again.
These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly!
Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.
Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??
You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets?
Sorry to be pedantic BUT, why when I am visiting Darlington do I feel the need to go in the council run leisure centre when shopping?? What am I going to buy there?
I know Macdonalds/Burger King/local pubs have toilets and I'm sure they will be only too happy if the entire visiting population goes in to use their toilets without purchasing anything.
OR is THAT the grand idea? Encourage those of us who have a modicum of manners and plain decency to be forced to use their toilets and buy something??
are pennies dropping
[quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andygib263[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bilb0Baggins[/bold] wrote: I stopped going to Darlington when they closed the public toilets. Don't quite know what they expect you to do, unless you're supposed to rush to the Cornmill but I've done that and they have been closed as well. Not very shopper friendly now Darlington. I assume they just want you to come for an hour then naff off back home again. These superstores and retail parks take away a lot of trade from town centres but at least they are user friendly![/p][/quote]Dolphin Centre toilets? 30 seconds walk from the market toilets.[/p][/quote]Not being a resident of Darlington, how am I supposed to know of this??[/p][/quote]You can't work out that the large council run leisure complex which can be clearly seen from the market would not offer toilets?[/p][/quote]Sorry to be pedantic BUT, why when I am visiting Darlington do I feel the need to go in the council run leisure centre when shopping?? What am I going to buy there? I know Macdonalds/Burger King/local pubs have toilets and I'm sure they will be only too happy if the entire visiting population goes in to use their toilets without purchasing anything. OR is THAT the grand idea? Encourage those of us who have a modicum of manners and plain decency to be forced to use their toilets and buy something??[/p][/quote]are pennies dropping LUSTARD
  • Score: 1

3:53pm Tue 8 Jul 14

TomSimpson says...

Lived and worked in Darlington all of my life and visit the town centre on a regular basis - never had one parking ticket.

I have visited many other towns and cities in the area, most of which I have had to pay for parking - again never had a ticket.

If you leave your car on double yellows or in a car park with no ticket - then expect to get fined, don't blame the council because you've been caught.

And for the florists claim that there is no congestion in that area he must be completely oblivious to the entire street practically being blocked off whenever that huge lorry from Holland parked up outside his shop for what I assume are their deliveries.
Lived and worked in Darlington all of my life and visit the town centre on a regular basis - never had one parking ticket. I have visited many other towns and cities in the area, most of which I have had to pay for parking - again never had a ticket. If you leave your car on double yellows or in a car park with no ticket - then expect to get fined, don't blame the council because you've been caught. And for the florists claim that there is no congestion in that area he must be completely oblivious to the entire street practically being blocked off whenever that huge lorry from Holland parked up outside his shop for what I assume are their deliveries. TomSimpson
  • Score: 4

8:18pm Tue 8 Jul 14

bambara says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
The high cost of parking and BID is primarily a fund raising exercise by a council that can not manage it's finances. It only became an issue when central government cut back on grants. It's a shame hard working businesses that have been in existence for many years seem to be suffering so badly because of it.
Cut back on grants doesn't do the action justice. They slashed the councils total budget by 25% in 3 years. 25% of the total council budget cut, but they still have to pay for all the stuff that isn't an option to cut. Social care for old folk, education, police, fire service, waste collection. They still have to all be paid for, but with only 75% of the money to spend. So yes they will have trouble managing finances. Even the Tory councils who are having far lower cuts imposed on them are struggling.
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: The high cost of parking and BID is primarily a fund raising exercise by a council that can not manage it's finances. It only became an issue when central government cut back on grants. It's a shame hard working businesses that have been in existence for many years seem to be suffering so badly because of it.[/p][/quote]Cut back on grants doesn't do the action justice. They slashed the councils total budget by 25% in 3 years. 25% of the total council budget cut, but they still have to pay for all the stuff that isn't an option to cut. Social care for old folk, education, police, fire service, waste collection. They still have to all be paid for, but with only 75% of the money to spend. So yes they will have trouble managing finances. Even the Tory councils who are having far lower cuts imposed on them are struggling. bambara
  • Score: 1

9:13pm Tue 8 Jul 14

bambara says...

DarloXman wrote:
bambara wrote:
FlyPoster wrote:
bambara wrote: I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it. Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it. Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket. Of course that may be because I don't park illegally.
Have you got Bill Dixons glasses on, you are entitled to your opinion. If you read the whole problem you'd realise that bill has made all the places that were legal..... Illegal.......so if many times a day I need access that was available and safer for 26 years previous........my only choice is park illegally....or miss a 40yr old ladies funeral, who sadly passed early, and the flowers were the last thing her children would be giving her.Now unlike Bill I have empathy. This is a daily frustration and the reason THE THREE SHOPS NEXT TO ME HAVE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH AND GONE! ANYBODY LISTENING TO BILL AND THINKING ITS ONLY MY INDUSTRY SHOULD PERHAPS WONDER WHY IM VERY QUICKLY BEING ABANDONED. HE'll be saying next that they were all making too much profit so they left. AGAIN LETS NOT FOCUS ON MY ISSUES ,LIKE I KEEP SAYING ALL PREVIOUS CORRECT CHANNEL APPROACHES HAVENT EVEN HAD A RESPONSE, LET ALONE A MEETING AND MOST DEFINATELY NO ACTION. I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED MY PROBLEMS IN A WAY I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PURELY TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CAN BE LISTENED TO. Obviosly the people I confided this in had an agenda I didn't know about so are unable to confirm my plan, it doesn't bother me as even when people don't understand it's not about me, it's more publicity that bill is unfit for purpose. So thank you x Rob
You know what Flyboy I had a certain amount of sympathy for your situation until that little rant. Easy option for you, move out. Go on vote with your feet if you are not happy, but don't sit there in the same spot for 26 years and expect that the world won't change. You complain that other people are parking in your reserved spot and then complain that you get a ticket when you park illegally. Well guess what, it's not just the customers that the wardens are there to stop when they park illegally. If you can't get parked close then park further away and use a trolley to move the stuff to your van, and if you can't do that and it is a problem for you, then move. The world has changed, the amount of traffic has increased and our roads are more crowded. You have been in the same location for 26 years and the world has changed around you. The town has changed but you haven't. The world has changed but you haven't. It's not about bill, it's about you.
If everyone had the attitude that you suggest - give up and move out - then Darlington truly will be dead! Everyone has a right to fight for what they believe is right - I'm sure this business will have many loyal, regular customers who will be inconvenienced if they move out of Darlington - hence there are reasons to try and stay! It's interesting you say "The world has changed but you haven't" - I will remind you of that next time you produce statistics from the 1970's! Good luck with your battle Flyposter - you can see from the responses on this page and on your Facebook account that most people in Darlington are with you. I will have a look in your shop next time I'm in Darlo - which unfortunately for the reasons highlighted above is not very often now!
No it would just be different.
Different people would move in to fill the gaps.

Have a look at Durham or Boro, both of them have pedestrianised areas. Those areas are not devoid of shops, on the contrary they are busy.

If Rob really can't cope with carrying his flowers to the car park and can't get himself a little industrial unit or something on those lines out of town to do the preparation of his big orders, then he needs to find a location where he has the appropriate level of access. He can't just assume that the roads and access to his shop won't change in over a quarter of a century, or blame the council when they do.
He has the option to move to alternative premises within Darlington, in an area which isn't pedestrianised and does not have problems with parking. Perhaps a shop which has it's own off street parking at the rear.
He has the option of making some fairly easy changes that would resolve his issues, but he has chosen not to do so.
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FlyPoster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: I hear this accusation all the time, but in a generation when every man in the street has a mobile phone which is capable of taking pictures or indeed video I have not seen a single person take a snap or post a clip to prove it. Go on do it. Post the proof and call on the council to act on it. Because you know what I have never seen it myself, and in all the years I lived in Darlington, studied in Darlington and worked in Darlington in all the years recently of travelling to Darlington (last time was earlier this week) I have never once had a parking ticket. Of course that may be because I don't park illegally.[/p][/quote]Have you got Bill Dixons glasses on, you are entitled to your opinion. If you read the whole problem you'd realise that bill has made all the places that were legal..... Illegal.......so if many times a day I need access that was available and safer for 26 years previous........my only choice is park illegally....or miss a 40yr old ladies funeral, who sadly passed early, and the flowers were the last thing her children would be giving her.Now unlike Bill I have empathy. This is a daily frustration and the reason THE THREE SHOPS NEXT TO ME HAVE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH AND GONE! ANYBODY LISTENING TO BILL AND THINKING ITS ONLY MY INDUSTRY SHOULD PERHAPS WONDER WHY IM VERY QUICKLY BEING ABANDONED. HE'll be saying next that they were all making too much profit so they left. AGAIN LETS NOT FOCUS ON MY ISSUES ,LIKE I KEEP SAYING ALL PREVIOUS CORRECT CHANNEL APPROACHES HAVENT EVEN HAD A RESPONSE, LET ALONE A MEETING AND MOST DEFINATELY NO ACTION. I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED MY PROBLEMS IN A WAY I HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PURELY TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CAN BE LISTENED TO. Obviosly the people I confided this in had an agenda I didn't know about so are unable to confirm my plan, it doesn't bother me as even when people don't understand it's not about me, it's more publicity that bill is unfit for purpose. So thank you x Rob[/p][/quote]You know what Flyboy I had a certain amount of sympathy for your situation until that little rant. Easy option for you, move out. Go on vote with your feet if you are not happy, but don't sit there in the same spot for 26 years and expect that the world won't change. You complain that other people are parking in your reserved spot and then complain that you get a ticket when you park illegally. Well guess what, it's not just the customers that the wardens are there to stop when they park illegally. If you can't get parked close then park further away and use a trolley to move the stuff to your van, and if you can't do that and it is a problem for you, then move. The world has changed, the amount of traffic has increased and our roads are more crowded. You have been in the same location for 26 years and the world has changed around you. The town has changed but you haven't. The world has changed but you haven't. It's not about bill, it's about you.[/p][/quote]If everyone had the attitude that you suggest - give up and move out - then Darlington truly will be dead! Everyone has a right to fight for what they believe is right - I'm sure this business will have many loyal, regular customers who will be inconvenienced if they move out of Darlington - hence there are reasons to try and stay! It's interesting you say "The world has changed but you haven't" - I will remind you of that next time you produce statistics from the 1970's! Good luck with your battle Flyposter - you can see from the responses on this page and on your Facebook account that most people in Darlington are with you. I will have a look in your shop next time I'm in Darlo - which unfortunately for the reasons highlighted above is not very often now![/p][/quote]No it would just be different. Different people would move in to fill the gaps. Have a look at Durham or Boro, both of them have pedestrianised areas. Those areas are not devoid of shops, on the contrary they are busy. If Rob really can't cope with carrying his flowers to the car park and can't get himself a little industrial unit or something on those lines out of town to do the preparation of his big orders, then he needs to find a location where he has the appropriate level of access. He can't just assume that the roads and access to his shop won't change in over a quarter of a century, or blame the council when they do. He has the option to move to alternative premises within Darlington, in an area which isn't pedestrianised and does not have problems with parking. Perhaps a shop which has it's own off street parking at the rear. He has the option of making some fairly easy changes that would resolve his issues, but he has chosen not to do so. bambara
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11:14am Wed 9 Jul 14

Jonn says...

Opposite Bondgate Church, there is a car park that charges 50p an hour. This is 1 minutes walk from Metcalfes florist.
Mr Metcalfe could easily make his customers (who drive specifically to visit him) aware that this car park exists and maybe even offer to refund his customers the 50p when they come into his shop, rather than lose his business.
Opposite Bondgate Church, there is a car park that charges 50p an hour. This is 1 minutes walk from Metcalfes florist. Mr Metcalfe could easily make his customers (who drive specifically to visit him) aware that this car park exists and maybe even offer to refund his customers the 50p when they come into his shop, rather than lose his business. Jonn
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1:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

kristal27 says...

Another business going down the pan and has to blame someone -so blame parking in darlo -i don't live in Darlo any more -but if i want to come shopping i don't go somewhere else -i still come in moan about the parking but pay -it doesn't put me off except maybe i might go in on a sunday for cheaper parking instead of a Saturday. he got a fine because he didn't have a ticket on his car nd of. perhaps if the council gave traders a badge they could display in their car for unloading and loading this would help? otherwise - do what us dregs have to do and cough up mate!
Another business going down the pan and has to blame someone -so blame parking in darlo -i don't live in Darlo any more -but if i want to come shopping i don't go somewhere else -i still come in moan about the parking but pay -it doesn't put me off except maybe i might go in on a sunday for cheaper parking instead of a Saturday. he got a fine because he didn't have a ticket on his car nd of. perhaps if the council gave traders a badge they could display in their car for unloading and loading this would help? otherwise - do what us dregs have to do and cough up mate! kristal27
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9:03am Thu 24 Jul 14

Anon1961 says...

Agree with one of the comments above. The people whinging and moaning on this site must go shopping in a different town to me. The town on a Saturday afternoon always seems busy to me. Granted, I probably do quite a bit of shopping online these days (like the majority of people i suspect).

The council bashing seems a bit silly to me also. DBC must be one of the biggest employers in the borough. Presumably, the majority all live in the town, all pay their own Council Tax, in all likelihood recieve less than the average national annual salary and yet the good hard work they do, gets slagged off by people on here. I think if I were a shop trader in this town, i'd think a bit more about the customer service that gets portrayed on here . . . and if I worked for DBC I would pick and choose the shops and traders I did business with.

Incidently, I parked in Commercial Street car park a couple of months ago (purchased a valid ticket) and visited Metcalfe's shop to buy some flowers for my partner's birthday. No exaggeration but they had wilted and died in 2 days. I can honestly say, I've bought longer lasting and cheaper flowers from Morrisons.


Ohh and I've never had a parking fine either.
Agree with one of the comments above. The people whinging and moaning on this site must go shopping in a different town to me. The town on a Saturday afternoon always seems busy to me. Granted, I probably do quite a bit of shopping online these days (like the majority of people i suspect). The council bashing seems a bit silly to me also. DBC must be one of the biggest employers in the borough. Presumably, the majority all live in the town, all pay their own Council Tax, in all likelihood recieve less than the average national annual salary and yet the good hard work they do, gets slagged off by people on here. I think if I were a shop trader in this town, i'd think a bit more about the customer service that gets portrayed on here . . . and if I worked for DBC I would pick and choose the shops and traders I did business with. Incidently, I parked in Commercial Street car park a couple of months ago (purchased a valid ticket) and visited Metcalfe's shop to buy some flowers for my partner's birthday. No exaggeration but they had wilted and died in 2 days. I can honestly say, I've bought longer lasting and cheaper flowers from Morrisons. Ohh and I've never had a parking fine either. Anon1961
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