Outside body to lead council campaigns in a bid to "disassociate" them from cost-cutting

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A COUNCIL could bring in an outside body to run campaigns in an attempt to "disassociate" it from cost-cutting measures.

Campaigns to improve Darlington may fail if people believe they are being staged to counter the effects of council budget cuts, according to a report.

Cash-strapped Darlington Borough Council is now considering transferring campaign leadership to a non-council body – such as Keep Britain Tidy - in a bid to “prevent perception by the public that they are being asked to do the council’s job”.

The authority - which needs to save £600,000 on litter reduction and grounds maintenance by 2016 – hopes to save money by running campaigns encouraging local residents and groups to take responsibility for their own community.

A new project will aim to reduce the budget while maintaining or improving the overall appearance of the borough.

Money-saving ideas, potential campaigns and plans around community engagement have been outlined in a project initiation report released ahead of a council meeting on Wednesday, June 18.

The report says: “Transfer of campaign leadership to a non-council body may significantly increase the chances of success of some of these campaigns by disassociating the campaign purpose from the need to reduce council costs.”

It goes onto argue that money-saving efforts may also be hampered by residents choosing to improve non-council land.

The community may wish to look after such areas but “as these areas are not currently maintained it will not generate a saving and will utilise community capacity that could be used elsewhere," it adds.

According to the council's report, plans to engage the community to help maintain public areas underpin the authority’s “stepping-back” approach from “doing everything for people to facilitating change and increasing social responsibility.”

However, a spokeswoman for Darlington Borough Council denied the authority was stepping back.

She said: “The council is not “stepping back” – it is stepping up to the challenges of providing services with a reduced budget.

“The report is part of the process of engaging with members and exploring ways to achieve savings of £600,000 within this service area.”

She added: “As with our other service reviews, there will be a small budget to help fund research and some marketing activity.”

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8:55pm Thu 12 Jun 14

laboursfoe says...

Hang on, how much will the administration of the campaigns cost the council??

Surely the best way of disassociating the community campaigns from cost cutting is to stop petulant councillors laying blame at the door of austerity at every opportunity.

That includes Bill himself who went through a phase of blaming his opposition party for everything under the sun!!
Hang on, how much will the administration of the campaigns cost the council?? Surely the best way of disassociating the community campaigns from cost cutting is to stop petulant councillors laying blame at the door of austerity at every opportunity. That includes Bill himself who went through a phase of blaming his opposition party for everything under the sun!! laboursfoe
  • Score: 15

9:03pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Alan Macnab says...

This is the first I have heard of this and I am a Darlington Councillor. What is going on? I have asked for further information from the Chief Executive.
This is the first I have heard of this and I am a Darlington Councillor. What is going on? I have asked for further information from the Chief Executive. Alan Macnab
  • Score: 20

9:22pm Thu 12 Jun 14

stevegg says...

So let me get this right. Darlington council is going to spend my council tax money to pay an outside agency to deliver the message of austerity cuts as they havent the bottle to do so themselves in the naive hope we will think it isnt them doing it! They love wasting our money and refuse to accept any respnsibility at all. You coulnt make this stuff up!
So let me get this right. Darlington council is going to spend my council tax money to pay an outside agency to deliver the message of austerity cuts as they havent the bottle to do so themselves in the naive hope we will think it isnt them doing it! They love wasting our money and refuse to accept any respnsibility at all. You coulnt make this stuff up! stevegg
  • Score: 45

9:30pm Thu 12 Jun 14

NOTODDEN says...

Is this town going to hell on a handcart with this clearly dysfunctional inept council ? How much could this cost and who in the council is proposing this ?
Is this town going to hell on a handcart with this clearly dysfunctional inept council ? How much could this cost and who in the council is proposing this ? NOTODDEN
  • Score: 22

9:47pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Chocmonster7 says...

This Council really is in a mess. We'd quite happily take over looking after the Bellburn Lane Field area if they just dropped it from the Making & Growing Places Policy Document!
This Council really is in a mess. We'd quite happily take over looking after the Bellburn Lane Field area if they just dropped it from the Making & Growing Places Policy Document! Chocmonster7
  • Score: 11

10:00pm Thu 12 Jun 14

martinjw says...

The report says: “Transfer of campaign leadership to a non-council body may significantly increase the chances of success of some of these campaigns by disassociating the campaign purpose from the need to reduce council costs.”

Are they on drugs!!! if not surely they should be

Thank you DBC I've not had such a good laugh for ages money well spent I say.
The report says: “Transfer of campaign leadership to a non-council body may significantly increase the chances of success of some of these campaigns by disassociating the campaign purpose from the need to reduce council costs.” Are they on drugs!!! if not surely they should be Thank you DBC I've not had such a good laugh for ages money well spent I say. martinjw
  • Score: 14

10:17pm Thu 12 Jun 14

DarloXman says...

I noticed throughout my career that the 'weak and ineffectual' never liked getting their hands dirty - would much rather pay someone else to do the dirty work.

How are they going to save £600,000 by 2016 - when from what I can see they can't be spending that now on maintaining the streets and cutting the grass.

I agree with the majority of the posters above. We are being run by a council who have no ideas, not a clue and just want to blame others for the mess they have created!
I noticed throughout my career that the 'weak and ineffectual' never liked getting their hands dirty - would much rather pay someone else to do the dirty work. How are they going to save £600,000 by 2016 - when from what I can see they can't be spending that now on maintaining the streets and cutting the grass. I agree with the majority of the posters above. We are being run by a council who have no ideas, not a clue and just want to blame others for the mess they have created! DarloXman
  • Score: 22

10:24pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Awake-in-Darlo says...

NOTODDEN wrote:
Is this town going to hell on a handcart with this clearly dysfunctional inept council ? How much could this cost and who in the council is proposing this ?
If so, we know who will be paying for the handcart !
The people of Darlington will never guess who the "outside agency"
represents of course. They must think (hope) we are stupid ! Despair !!!
[quote][p][bold]NOTODDEN[/bold] wrote: Is this town going to hell on a handcart with this clearly dysfunctional inept council ? How much could this cost and who in the council is proposing this ?[/p][/quote]If so, we know who will be paying for the handcart ! The people of Darlington will never guess who the "outside agency" represents of course. They must think (hope) we are stupid ! Despair !!! Awake-in-Darlo
  • Score: 11

11:21pm Thu 12 Jun 14

behonest says...

"The authority - which needs to save £600,000 on litter reduction and grounds maintenance by 2016"

'needs'? Says who? The Council themselves? Why not save it elsewhere, such as spending less on studies to increase traveller sites in the borough? And how many hundreds of thousands of our taxes have they spent buying up a few houses just to accommodate a handful of kids? Okay, the useless Stockton Labour council, but it just shows how hopelessly out of touch our Labour councils are when it comes to spending the high taxes they force us to pay on services that local people actually want.
"The authority - which needs to save £600,000 on litter reduction and grounds maintenance by 2016" 'needs'? Says who? The Council themselves? Why not save it elsewhere, such as spending less on studies to increase traveller sites in the borough? And how many hundreds of thousands of our taxes have they spent buying up a few houses just to accommodate a handful of kids? Okay, the useless Stockton Labour council, but it just shows how hopelessly out of touch our Labour councils are when it comes to spending the high taxes they force us to pay on services that local people actually want. behonest
  • Score: 16

12:49am Fri 13 Jun 14

Spy Boy says...

"How are they going to save £600,000 by 2016 - when from what I can see they can't be spending that now on maintaining the streets and cutting the grass.

Sacking Burns would save this sort of money through to the end of 2016. Problem solved. No charge. She is way overpaid for any good she has ever done at over £200,000 a year with salary, pension, expenses and huge bonus. She refuses to discuss this bonus with the likes of the ratepayers of this town. She is an un-elected and unnecessary drain on resources. Lose her and save all the money you need.

Good to see that they even keep this info from some Councillors. ( Not ) This shows just how devious Bill, Ada and co are. Vote them out. If they keep giving these jobs away, what the hell are they actually doing between coffee breaks and long lunch breaks?
"How are they going to save £600,000 by 2016 - when from what I can see they can't be spending that now on maintaining the streets and cutting the grass. Sacking Burns would save this sort of money through to the end of 2016. Problem solved. No charge. She is way overpaid for any good she has ever done at over £200,000 a year with salary, pension, expenses and huge bonus. She refuses to discuss this bonus with the likes of the ratepayers of this town. She is an un-elected and unnecessary drain on resources. Lose her and save all the money you need. Good to see that they even keep this info from some Councillors. ( Not ) This shows just how devious Bill, Ada and co are. Vote them out. If they keep giving these jobs away, what the hell are they actually doing between coffee breaks and long lunch breaks? Spy Boy
  • Score: 28

7:40am Fri 13 Jun 14

Homshaw1 says...

Alan Macnab wrote:
This is the first I have heard of this and I am a Darlington Councillor. What is going on? I have asked for further information from the Chief Executive.
Darlington has one of the worst run councils it is possible to image yet no one seems capable of opposing them. Why?
[quote][p][bold]Alan Macnab[/bold] wrote: This is the first I have heard of this and I am a Darlington Councillor. What is going on? I have asked for further information from the Chief Executive.[/p][/quote]Darlington has one of the worst run councils it is possible to image yet no one seems capable of opposing them. Why? Homshaw1
  • Score: 24

8:07am Fri 13 Jun 14

oliviaden6 says...

On a totally political front the Labour Party under Blair and Brown nearly brought this country to its knees with its spend spend and borrow borrow, the Labour Councils have continued this trend and are still doing so.As far as Darlington goes i believe Bill and His Buddies should walk away from it now and give the hard pressed residents and businesses a chance before the Borough goes bankrupt, if it not bankrupt already, this council in a word is a sham! What hair brained scheme will they come up with next let us all wait and see.
On a totally political front the Labour Party under Blair and Brown nearly brought this country to its knees with its spend spend and borrow borrow, the Labour Councils have continued this trend and are still doing so.As far as Darlington goes i believe Bill and His Buddies should walk away from it now and give the hard pressed residents and businesses a chance before the Borough goes bankrupt, if it not bankrupt already, this council in a word is a sham! What hair brained scheme will they come up with next let us all wait and see. oliviaden6
  • Score: 6

8:33am Fri 13 Jun 14

MSG says...

Sack Burns and Dixon before they run this town into the ground.
Then vote UKIP to get Labour out or we will just get more of the same left wing spend spend spend crap !
Sack Burns and Dixon before they run this town into the ground. Then vote UKIP to get Labour out or we will just get more of the same left wing spend spend spend crap ! MSG
  • Score: 5

9:13am Fri 13 Jun 14

mikyman says...

This was surly an April Fools joke spoof that someone forgot to send on 1st April.
Obviously they thought better late than never and all the hard pressed rate payers would take it as a bit of fun!
I have never read such a load of rubbish.
Who commissioned it and why?
Perhaps it would concentrate their mind if they had to pay for it out of their own pocket instead of ours.
The old saying' the lunatics are in charge of the asylum' is never more appropriate.

PS I have sent the above as a letter for publishing in the Echo.
Here's hoping,they might have space if non of the mind numbing regulars arn't writing today!
This was surly an April Fools joke spoof that someone forgot to send on 1st April. Obviously they thought better late than never and all the hard pressed rate payers would take it as a bit of fun! I have never read such a load of rubbish. Who commissioned it and why? Perhaps it would concentrate their mind if they had to pay for it out of their own pocket instead of ours. The old saying' the lunatics are in charge of the asylum' is never more appropriate. PS I have sent the above as a letter for publishing in the Echo. Here's hoping,they might have space if non of the mind numbing regulars arn't writing today! mikyman
  • Score: 16

9:52am Fri 13 Jun 14

bambara says...

laboursfoe wrote:
Hang on, how much will the administration of the campaigns cost the council?? Surely the best way of disassociating the community campaigns from cost cutting is to stop petulant councillors laying blame at the door of austerity at every opportunity. That includes Bill himself who went through a phase of blaming his opposition party for everything under the sun!!
What makes you think that it will cost the council a penny?

This is Keep Britain Tidy they are talking about bringing in not ATOS or KPMG.

Perhaps if Tory central government was to spread the cuts evenly between wealthy Tory councils (facing approx 2.5% net cuts) and poorer Labour councils (facing 25% cuts) there would be less need for such initiatives, however good they may be.
[quote][p][bold]laboursfoe[/bold] wrote: Hang on, how much will the administration of the campaigns cost the council?? Surely the best way of disassociating the community campaigns from cost cutting is to stop petulant councillors laying blame at the door of austerity at every opportunity. That includes Bill himself who went through a phase of blaming his opposition party for everything under the sun!![/p][/quote]What makes you think that it will cost the council a penny? This is Keep Britain Tidy they are talking about bringing in not ATOS or KPMG. Perhaps if Tory central government was to spread the cuts evenly between wealthy Tory councils (facing approx 2.5% net cuts) and poorer Labour councils (facing 25% cuts) there would be less need for such initiatives, however good they may be. bambara
  • Score: -17

10:04am Fri 13 Jun 14

bambara says...

Tory central government cuts to funding for Darlington council between 2010 and 2020 are proposed to total 87% of the total central government funding.

A Tory cut of 87% to the budget. Given the % of total funds that central government funding made up in 2010 this amounts to a cut in funding of 50% of the total budget.

Funding cuts for wealthy Tory councils will in the same period total approx 5% of the council budget.

Remember though as Cameron said "We are all in it together"
Tory central government cuts to funding for Darlington council between 2010 and 2020 are proposed to total 87% of the total central government funding. A Tory cut of 87% to the budget. Given the % of total funds that central government funding made up in 2010 this amounts to a cut in funding of 50% of the total budget. Funding cuts for wealthy Tory councils will in the same period total approx 5% of the council budget. Remember though as Cameron said "We are all in it together" bambara
  • Score: -17

10:35am Fri 13 Jun 14

LUSTARD says...

Chocmonster7 wrote:
This Council really is in a mess. We'd quite happily take over looking after the Bellburn Lane Field area if they just dropped it from the Making & Growing Places Policy Document!
making and growing places indeed, was that term part of a primary school competition dreamed up to confuse us
[quote][p][bold]Chocmonster7[/bold] wrote: This Council really is in a mess. We'd quite happily take over looking after the Bellburn Lane Field area if they just dropped it from the Making & Growing Places Policy Document![/p][/quote]making and growing places indeed, was that term part of a primary school competition dreamed up to confuse us LUSTARD
  • Score: 12

10:39am Fri 13 Jun 14

LUSTARD says...

LUSTARD wrote:
Chocmonster7 wrote:
This Council really is in a mess. We'd quite happily take over looking after the Bellburn Lane Field area if they just dropped it from the Making & Growing Places Policy Document!
making and growing places indeed, was that term part of a primary school competition dreamed up to confuse us
yes and no, hippy mindset,,,,, stoned whilst running perhaps the portfolio for children, drinking real ale and falling down laughing uncontrollablly, whilst also being paid a large guaranteed salary.
[quote][p][bold]LUSTARD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chocmonster7[/bold] wrote: This Council really is in a mess. We'd quite happily take over looking after the Bellburn Lane Field area if they just dropped it from the Making & Growing Places Policy Document![/p][/quote]making and growing places indeed, was that term part of a primary school competition dreamed up to confuse us[/p][/quote]yes and no, hippy mindset,,,,, stoned whilst running perhaps the portfolio for children, drinking real ale and falling down laughing uncontrollablly, whilst also being paid a large guaranteed salary. LUSTARD
  • Score: 6

10:41am Fri 13 Jun 14

LUSTARD says...

martinjw wrote:
The report says: “Transfer of campaign leadership to a non-council body may significantly increase the chances of success of some of these campaigns by disassociating the campaign purpose from the need to reduce council costs.”

Are they on drugs!!! if not surely they should be

Thank you DBC I've not had such a good laugh for ages money well spent I say.
well best have the entire lot tested unannounced for any excesses in their system,
[quote][p][bold]martinjw[/bold] wrote: The report says: “Transfer of campaign leadership to a non-council body may significantly increase the chances of success of some of these campaigns by disassociating the campaign purpose from the need to reduce council costs.” Are they on drugs!!! if not surely they should be Thank you DBC I've not had such a good laugh for ages money well spent I say.[/p][/quote]well best have the entire lot tested unannounced for any excesses in their system, LUSTARD
  • Score: 4

10:46am Fri 13 Jun 14

LUSTARD says...

mikyman wrote:
This was surly an April Fools joke spoof that someone forgot to send on 1st April.
Obviously they thought better late than never and all the hard pressed rate payers would take it as a bit of fun!
I have never read such a load of rubbish.
Who commissioned it and why?
Perhaps it would concentrate their mind if they had to pay for it out of their own pocket instead of ours.
The old saying' the lunatics are in charge of the asylum' is never more appropriate.

PS I have sent the above as a letter for publishing in the Echo.
Here's hoping,they might have space if non of the mind numbing regulars arn't writing today!
nope sir, it is at the moment friday the 13th ,,, and its a full moon,
[quote][p][bold]mikyman[/bold] wrote: This was surly an April Fools joke spoof that someone forgot to send on 1st April. Obviously they thought better late than never and all the hard pressed rate payers would take it as a bit of fun! I have never read such a load of rubbish. Who commissioned it and why? Perhaps it would concentrate their mind if they had to pay for it out of their own pocket instead of ours. The old saying' the lunatics are in charge of the asylum' is never more appropriate. PS I have sent the above as a letter for publishing in the Echo. Here's hoping,they might have space if non of the mind numbing regulars arn't writing today![/p][/quote]nope sir, it is at the moment friday the 13th ,,, and its a full moon, LUSTARD
  • Score: 16

10:58am Fri 13 Jun 14

bambara says...

oliviaden6 wrote:
On a totally political front the Labour Party under Blair and Brown nearly brought this country to its knees with its spend spend and borrow borrow, the Labour Councils have continued this trend and are still doing so.As far as Darlington goes i believe Bill and His Buddies should walk away from it now and give the hard pressed residents and businesses a chance before the Borough goes bankrupt, if it not bankrupt already, this council in a word is a sham! What hair brained scheme will they come up with next let us all wait and see.
Labour spent a total of £1.162 Trillion pounds in total bailing out the banks. (Facts from the Guardian data blog)

As a proportion of our overall economy the amount the government spends hasn't changed all that much since the 1950s. It has stayed in the region of 42%-48% of our national income.

2000-2001 Government spending £520bn

2012-2013 Government spending £718bn

So Labour spent approx 2 years of the national budget bailing out the banks. Approx 80% of GDP for an entire year bailing out a private industry.

Good news is it worked, the UK did not go the way of Iceland, or Ireland, or Spain, Portugal, Italy.

The right wing accuses Labour of spend, spend, spend, but the figures show that this was not the case. Labour spent the same portion of GDP as prety much every government before or since. The difference is that Labour had to step in and bail out the banks.
Labour had to step in and resolve a problem caused by a global economic crash that was started by irresponsible lenders in the USA.

Spend and Borrow £1.162 Trillion in bailouts for the banks.
£1.162 Trillion in fixing mistakes made by fat cats in the city.
£1.162 Trillion of mistakes made by posh boy bankers.
[quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: On a totally political front the Labour Party under Blair and Brown nearly brought this country to its knees with its spend spend and borrow borrow, the Labour Councils have continued this trend and are still doing so.As far as Darlington goes i believe Bill and His Buddies should walk away from it now and give the hard pressed residents and businesses a chance before the Borough goes bankrupt, if it not bankrupt already, this council in a word is a sham! What hair brained scheme will they come up with next let us all wait and see.[/p][/quote]Labour spent a total of £1.162 Trillion pounds in total bailing out the banks. (Facts from the Guardian data blog) As a proportion of our overall economy the amount the government spends hasn't changed all that much since the 1950s. It has stayed in the region of 42%-48% of our national income. 2000-2001 Government spending £520bn 2012-2013 Government spending £718bn So Labour spent approx 2 years of the national budget bailing out the banks. Approx 80% of GDP for an entire year bailing out a private industry. Good news is it worked, the UK did not go the way of Iceland, or Ireland, or Spain, Portugal, Italy. The right wing accuses Labour of spend, spend, spend, but the figures show that this was not the case. Labour spent the same portion of GDP as prety much every government before or since. The difference is that Labour had to step in and bail out the banks. Labour had to step in and resolve a problem caused by a global economic crash that was started by irresponsible lenders in the USA. Spend and Borrow £1.162 Trillion in bailouts for the banks. £1.162 Trillion in fixing mistakes made by fat cats in the city. £1.162 Trillion of mistakes made by posh boy bankers. bambara
  • Score: -4

1:07pm Fri 13 Jun 14

oliviaden6 says...

bambara wrote:
oliviaden6 wrote:
On a totally political front the Labour Party under Blair and Brown nearly brought this country to its knees with its spend spend and borrow borrow, the Labour Councils have continued this trend and are still doing so.As far as Darlington goes i believe Bill and His Buddies should walk away from it now and give the hard pressed residents and businesses a chance before the Borough goes bankrupt, if it not bankrupt already, this council in a word is a sham! What hair brained scheme will they come up with next let us all wait and see.
Labour spent a total of £1.162 Trillion pounds in total bailing out the banks. (Facts from the Guardian data blog)

As a proportion of our overall economy the amount the government spends hasn't changed all that much since the 1950s. It has stayed in the region of 42%-48% of our national income.

2000-2001 Government spending £520bn

2012-2013 Government spending £718bn

So Labour spent approx 2 years of the national budget bailing out the banks. Approx 80% of GDP for an entire year bailing out a private industry.

Good news is it worked, the UK did not go the way of Iceland, or Ireland, or Spain, Portugal, Italy.

The right wing accuses Labour of spend, spend, spend, but the figures show that this was not the case. Labour spent the same portion of GDP as prety much every government before or since. The difference is that Labour had to step in and bail out the banks.
Labour had to step in and resolve a problem caused by a global economic crash that was started by irresponsible lenders in the USA.

Spend and Borrow £1.162 Trillion in bailouts for the banks.
£1.162 Trillion in fixing mistakes made by fat cats in the city.
£1.162 Trillion of mistakes made by posh boy bankers.
I knew by my comment the Labour supporters would come crawling out of the wood work to defend the dodgy lot of them??? That said i still stand by my comments and before you go blue i have no political axe to grind either way.
All i will say if Labour were so good at government where did all the monies go and why are we still struggling from massive debts that have been incurred?
thats all from me on the subject bye.
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: On a totally political front the Labour Party under Blair and Brown nearly brought this country to its knees with its spend spend and borrow borrow, the Labour Councils have continued this trend and are still doing so.As far as Darlington goes i believe Bill and His Buddies should walk away from it now and give the hard pressed residents and businesses a chance before the Borough goes bankrupt, if it not bankrupt already, this council in a word is a sham! What hair brained scheme will they come up with next let us all wait and see.[/p][/quote]Labour spent a total of £1.162 Trillion pounds in total bailing out the banks. (Facts from the Guardian data blog) As a proportion of our overall economy the amount the government spends hasn't changed all that much since the 1950s. It has stayed in the region of 42%-48% of our national income. 2000-2001 Government spending £520bn 2012-2013 Government spending £718bn So Labour spent approx 2 years of the national budget bailing out the banks. Approx 80% of GDP for an entire year bailing out a private industry. Good news is it worked, the UK did not go the way of Iceland, or Ireland, or Spain, Portugal, Italy. The right wing accuses Labour of spend, spend, spend, but the figures show that this was not the case. Labour spent the same portion of GDP as prety much every government before or since. The difference is that Labour had to step in and bail out the banks. Labour had to step in and resolve a problem caused by a global economic crash that was started by irresponsible lenders in the USA. Spend and Borrow £1.162 Trillion in bailouts for the banks. £1.162 Trillion in fixing mistakes made by fat cats in the city. £1.162 Trillion of mistakes made by posh boy bankers.[/p][/quote]I knew by my comment the Labour supporters would come crawling out of the wood work to defend the dodgy lot of them??? That said i still stand by my comments and before you go blue i have no political axe to grind either way. All i will say if Labour were so good at government where did all the monies go and why are we still struggling from massive debts that have been incurred? thats all from me on the subject bye. oliviaden6
  • Score: 5

8:20pm Fri 13 Jun 14

K. Richardson says...

I honestly cannot believe what I am I am reading in this article. People of Darlington, you have my sympathy.
I honestly cannot believe what I am I am reading in this article. People of Darlington, you have my sympathy. K. Richardson
  • Score: 15

12:19am Sat 14 Jun 14

Spy Boy says...

I'm a Labour supporter, but I was not happy with Blair at all. He had every opportunity to get the country back onto its feet after Thatcher's wrecking party, but he failed us every time.

On the the subject of this, so called, Labour Council, don't think for one moment they are socialists. They know that to get elected in Darlington they simply need to get a second hand red rosette. Getting elected is the name of the game with these people. Vote them out!
I'm a Labour supporter, but I was not happy with Blair at all. He had every opportunity to get the country back onto its feet after Thatcher's wrecking party, but he failed us every time. On the the subject of this, so called, Labour Council, don't think for one moment they are socialists. They know that to get elected in Darlington they simply need to get a second hand red rosette. Getting elected is the name of the game with these people. Vote them out! Spy Boy
  • Score: 9

9:47am Sat 14 Jun 14

theWorkerScum says...

Good article. What people don't understand is that this happens all the time. I saw something on tv the other day about how the police, they purposely left a cop van in the middle of a protest so that the protesters would vent their anger on that rather than other things. Same kind of principle, that works on most people who will believe the puppet is the perpetrator to such an extent that telling them otherwise is met with hostility.
Good article. What people don't understand is that this happens all the time. I saw something on tv the other day about how the police, they purposely left a cop van in the middle of a protest so that the protesters would vent their anger on that rather than other things. Same kind of principle, that works on most people who will believe the puppet is the perpetrator to such an extent that telling them otherwise is met with hostility. theWorkerScum
  • Score: 0

10:26am Sat 14 Jun 14

LUSTARD says...

Spy Boy wrote:
I'm a Labour supporter, but I was not happy with Blair at all. He had every opportunity to get the country back onto its feet after Thatcher's wrecking party, but he failed us every time.

On the the subject of this, so called, Labour Council, don't think for one moment they are socialists. They know that to get elected in Darlington they simply need to get a second hand red rosette. Getting elected is the name of the game with these people. Vote them out!
velly velly good
[quote][p][bold]Spy Boy[/bold] wrote: I'm a Labour supporter, but I was not happy with Blair at all. He had every opportunity to get the country back onto its feet after Thatcher's wrecking party, but he failed us every time. On the the subject of this, so called, Labour Council, don't think for one moment they are socialists. They know that to get elected in Darlington they simply need to get a second hand red rosette. Getting elected is the name of the game with these people. Vote them out![/p][/quote]velly velly good LUSTARD
  • Score: 6

4:36pm Sat 14 Jun 14

bambara says...

oliviaden6 - "All i will say if Labour were so good at government where did all the monies go and why are we still struggling from massive debts that have been incurred?"

National debt went up under the Tories up until they were ousted in 1997, That then reversed under Labour and by the middle of 2007, Britain had government debt at 35.5% of GDP.
As a result of the global economic crash and the need to bail out the banks this went up to 57% of GDP by middle of 2009 and expanded to 68% by 2011 it had gone up further to 88%.

This rather shows that the money went on bailing out the banks.
£1.162 Trillion as estimated above on bailing out the banks.
TOTAL UK debt is estimated at £1.4 Trillion 2013-14 So out of that total (1.162/1.4) = 83% on bailing out the banks.
oliviaden6 - "All i will say if Labour were so good at government where did all the monies go and why are we still struggling from massive debts that have been incurred?" National debt went up under the Tories up until they were ousted in 1997, That then reversed under Labour and by the middle of 2007, Britain had government debt at 35.5% of GDP. As a result of the global economic crash and the need to bail out the banks this went up to 57% of GDP by middle of 2009 and expanded to 68% by 2011 it had gone up further to 88%. This rather shows that the money went on bailing out the banks. £1.162 Trillion as estimated above on bailing out the banks. TOTAL UK debt is estimated at £1.4 Trillion 2013-14 So out of that total (1.162/1.4) = 83% on bailing out the banks. bambara
  • Score: -3

5:07pm Sat 14 Jun 14

bambara says...

Note that as a comparrison we can compare the UK debt levels with those of the other G7 member countries.

Figures from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development OECD

http://www.oecd-ilib
rary.org/economics/g
overnment-debt_gov-d
ebt-table-en

2010
Canada 89.5%
France 95.7%
Germany 86.2%
Italy 131.1%
Japan 193.3%
USA 94.6%
UK 81.7%

As you can see from the figures above the UK had the lowest Debt ratio of any of the G7 countries at the point when the Tories came to power.

Fgures for 2014
Canada 94.2%
France 115.1%
Germany 83.9%
Italy 147.2%
Japan 229.6%
USA 106.2%
UK 101.7%

So as a result of 4 years of Tory rule so far we have fallen from 1st to 3rd. Both Canada and Germany now have lower levels of debt than the UK, and we are rapidly closing on the USA (the gap was 13% and is now 4.5%)

Up to and including the global econaomic recession and the bail out of the banks the UK had the best debt to GDP ratio of any nation in the G7.

As a result of 4 years of Tory rule, and the strangling of the economy under the austerity measures we are now rapidly falling behind our peers.
Note that as a comparrison we can compare the UK debt levels with those of the other G7 member countries. Figures from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development OECD http://www.oecd-ilib rary.org/economics/g overnment-debt_gov-d ebt-table-en 2010 Canada 89.5% France 95.7% Germany 86.2% Italy 131.1% Japan 193.3% USA 94.6% UK 81.7% As you can see from the figures above the UK had the lowest Debt ratio of any of the G7 countries at the point when the Tories came to power. Fgures for 2014 Canada 94.2% France 115.1% Germany 83.9% Italy 147.2% Japan 229.6% USA 106.2% UK 101.7% So as a result of 4 years of Tory rule so far we have fallen from 1st to 3rd. Both Canada and Germany now have lower levels of debt than the UK, and we are rapidly closing on the USA (the gap was 13% and is now 4.5%) Up to and including the global econaomic recession and the bail out of the banks the UK had the best debt to GDP ratio of any nation in the G7. As a result of 4 years of Tory rule, and the strangling of the economy under the austerity measures we are now rapidly falling behind our peers. bambara
  • Score: -1

5:23pm Sat 14 Jun 14

loan_star says...

bambara wrote:
Note that as a comparrison we can compare the UK debt levels with those of the other G7 member countries.

Figures from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development OECD

http://www.oecd-ilib

rary.org/economics/g

overnment-debt_gov-d

ebt-table-en

2010
Canada 89.5%
France 95.7%
Germany 86.2%
Italy 131.1%
Japan 193.3%
USA 94.6%
UK 81.7%

As you can see from the figures above the UK had the lowest Debt ratio of any of the G7 countries at the point when the Tories came to power.

Fgures for 2014
Canada 94.2%
France 115.1%
Germany 83.9%
Italy 147.2%
Japan 229.6%
USA 106.2%
UK 101.7%

So as a result of 4 years of Tory rule so far we have fallen from 1st to 3rd. Both Canada and Germany now have lower levels of debt than the UK, and we are rapidly closing on the USA (the gap was 13% and is now 4.5%)

Up to and including the global econaomic recession and the bail out of the banks the UK had the best debt to GDP ratio of any nation in the G7.

As a result of 4 years of Tory rule, and the strangling of the economy under the austerity measures we are now rapidly falling behind our peers.
And yet the credit agencies are saying our economy is performing well enough to keep a good rating. Maybe you should consider that Labour and the bankers fouled up our economy that much that it takes time to put right? If Labour hadn't blown all the money on whims and illegal wars there may have been a slush fund kicking around in the time of a financial meltdown.
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: Note that as a comparrison we can compare the UK debt levels with those of the other G7 member countries. Figures from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development OECD http://www.oecd-ilib rary.org/economics/g overnment-debt_gov-d ebt-table-en 2010 Canada 89.5% France 95.7% Germany 86.2% Italy 131.1% Japan 193.3% USA 94.6% UK 81.7% As you can see from the figures above the UK had the lowest Debt ratio of any of the G7 countries at the point when the Tories came to power. Fgures for 2014 Canada 94.2% France 115.1% Germany 83.9% Italy 147.2% Japan 229.6% USA 106.2% UK 101.7% So as a result of 4 years of Tory rule so far we have fallen from 1st to 3rd. Both Canada and Germany now have lower levels of debt than the UK, and we are rapidly closing on the USA (the gap was 13% and is now 4.5%) Up to and including the global econaomic recession and the bail out of the banks the UK had the best debt to GDP ratio of any nation in the G7. As a result of 4 years of Tory rule, and the strangling of the economy under the austerity measures we are now rapidly falling behind our peers.[/p][/quote]And yet the credit agencies are saying our economy is performing well enough to keep a good rating. Maybe you should consider that Labour and the bankers fouled up our economy that much that it takes time to put right? If Labour hadn't blown all the money on whims and illegal wars there may have been a slush fund kicking around in the time of a financial meltdown. loan_star
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Sat 14 Jun 14

mikyman says...

Sorry to spoil your anger Bambara but frankly I'm more interested in the poor
state of leadership in Darlington than comparing us to the world stage.
This council has large reserves of cash,but wont allow them to be spent, instead it tries to make out that all the cuts are the fault of the Govt.
Bill and his merry men have had it too easy for a long while and its now time to question every 'move' they make.
Sorry to spoil your anger Bambara but frankly I'm more interested in the poor state of leadership in Darlington than comparing us to the world stage. This council has large reserves of cash,but wont allow them to be spent, instead it tries to make out that all the cuts are the fault of the Govt. Bill and his merry men have had it too easy for a long while and its now time to question every 'move' they make. mikyman
  • Score: 6

8:44pm Sat 14 Jun 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

bambara wrote:
Note that as a comparrison we can compare the UK debt levels with those of the other G7 member countries.

Figures from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development OECD

http://www.oecd-ilib

rary.org/economics/g

overnment-debt_gov-d

ebt-table-en

2010
Canada 89.5%
France 95.7%
Germany 86.2%
Italy 131.1%
Japan 193.3%
USA 94.6%
UK 81.7%

As you can see from the figures above the UK had the lowest Debt ratio of any of the G7 countries at the point when the Tories came to power.

Fgures for 2014
Canada 94.2%
France 115.1%
Germany 83.9%
Italy 147.2%
Japan 229.6%
USA 106.2%
UK 101.7%

So as a result of 4 years of Tory rule so far we have fallen from 1st to 3rd. Both Canada and Germany now have lower levels of debt than the UK, and we are rapidly closing on the USA (the gap was 13% and is now 4.5%)

Up to and including the global econaomic recession and the bail out of the banks the UK had the best debt to GDP ratio of any nation in the G7.

As a result of 4 years of Tory rule, and the strangling of the economy under the austerity measures we are now rapidly falling behind our peers.
You love quoting these useless figures don't you.

You really think people (a) believe them or (b) give a sh1t.

We see what's going on with our own eyes.
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: Note that as a comparrison we can compare the UK debt levels with those of the other G7 member countries. Figures from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development OECD http://www.oecd-ilib rary.org/economics/g overnment-debt_gov-d ebt-table-en 2010 Canada 89.5% France 95.7% Germany 86.2% Italy 131.1% Japan 193.3% USA 94.6% UK 81.7% As you can see from the figures above the UK had the lowest Debt ratio of any of the G7 countries at the point when the Tories came to power. Fgures for 2014 Canada 94.2% France 115.1% Germany 83.9% Italy 147.2% Japan 229.6% USA 106.2% UK 101.7% So as a result of 4 years of Tory rule so far we have fallen from 1st to 3rd. Both Canada and Germany now have lower levels of debt than the UK, and we are rapidly closing on the USA (the gap was 13% and is now 4.5%) Up to and including the global econaomic recession and the bail out of the banks the UK had the best debt to GDP ratio of any nation in the G7. As a result of 4 years of Tory rule, and the strangling of the economy under the austerity measures we are now rapidly falling behind our peers.[/p][/quote]You love quoting these useless figures don't you. You really think people (a) believe them or (b) give a sh1t. We see what's going on with our own eyes. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Sat 14 Jun 14

loan_star says...

mikyman wrote:
Sorry to spoil your anger Bambara but frankly I'm more interested in the poor
state of leadership in Darlington than comparing us to the world stage.
This council has large reserves of cash,but wont allow them to be spent, instead it tries to make out that all the cuts are the fault of the Govt.
Bill and his merry men have had it too easy for a long while and its now time to question every 'move' they make.
Its the usual council policy of spend it or lose it that gets my gripe. I regularly hear of departments trying to spend their budget on things otherwise the same amount will be reduced from their budget for the following year. How about not spending unnecessary money and save the tax payers money or have that cash go to departments that do need it?
[quote][p][bold]mikyman[/bold] wrote: Sorry to spoil your anger Bambara but frankly I'm more interested in the poor state of leadership in Darlington than comparing us to the world stage. This council has large reserves of cash,but wont allow them to be spent, instead it tries to make out that all the cuts are the fault of the Govt. Bill and his merry men have had it too easy for a long while and its now time to question every 'move' they make.[/p][/quote]Its the usual council policy of spend it or lose it that gets my gripe. I regularly hear of departments trying to spend their budget on things otherwise the same amount will be reduced from their budget for the following year. How about not spending unnecessary money and save the tax payers money or have that cash go to departments that do need it? loan_star
  • Score: 2

10:48pm Sat 14 Jun 14

bambara says...

Well I am aware that the right wing don't believe the figures, they are much happier with right wing blogs and unsubstantiated rumours.

The funny thing is that the figures come from non-political sources, the OECD, ONS, from UCL. They are international studies and government official information.

In 2008 the UK % debt was a clear 20% below that of Germany, that was our slush fund. We had a large amount of flexibility, but the cost of the bank bailouts was massive, it has in effect cost the country the equivalent of 60% of GDP. Sorry, but no government keeps that amount of petty cash laid around.

You can choose to ignore the facts, the figures, the truth, but it will not go away. This was not tax and spend, this was an economy running smoothly and then a huge economic spanner that nobody in the world on either side of the political spectrum saw coming.

The right wing response, is just propaganda, allegations, smears and mud slinging.
Well I am aware that the right wing don't believe the figures, they are much happier with right wing blogs and unsubstantiated rumours. The funny thing is that the figures come from non-political sources, the OECD, ONS, from UCL. They are international studies and government official information. In 2008 the UK % debt was a clear 20% below that of Germany, that was our slush fund. We had a large amount of flexibility, but the cost of the bank bailouts was massive, it has in effect cost the country the equivalent of 60% of GDP. Sorry, but no government keeps that amount of petty cash laid around. You can choose to ignore the facts, the figures, the truth, but it will not go away. This was not tax and spend, this was an economy running smoothly and then a huge economic spanner that nobody in the world on either side of the political spectrum saw coming. The right wing response, is just propaganda, allegations, smears and mud slinging. bambara
  • Score: -3

11:05pm Sat 14 Jun 14

bambara says...

loan_star wrote:
mikyman wrote: Sorry to spoil your anger Bambara but frankly I'm more interested in the poor state of leadership in Darlington than comparing us to the world stage. This council has large reserves of cash,but wont allow them to be spent, instead it tries to make out that all the cuts are the fault of the Govt. Bill and his merry men have had it too easy for a long while and its now time to question every 'move' they make.
Its the usual council policy of spend it or lose it that gets my gripe. I regularly hear of departments trying to spend their budget on things otherwise the same amount will be reduced from their budget for the following year. How about not spending unnecessary money and save the tax payers money or have that cash go to departments that do need it?
You get exactly the same happening in private business as well. A department will rush to spend the budget because if they don't then the bean counters will claw back the money and cut next years budget as well.

To be clear, I don't know if the council leaders in Darlington are particularly good, or particularly bad, but I do know they have a hellishly difficult job on their hands to cut 25% off the budget in 3 years, and to have to plan for a further cut as big again over the next 5.
As has been helpfully highlighted the per capita spend for Darlington 2011-12 came in in the category £930-£1050.
Since that point up to the planned end of 2015 a total cut of approx 25% has been impossed on the council. That cuts the per capita spending levels to circa £750. The lowest category on the map provided is up to £830
Darlington are having to run the budget for a deprived area on a per capita allocation of 90% of what is currently spent by the wealthiest areas. That is 90% of the funding level and out of that 90% they also have to find the money to pay for rent rebates and council tax benefits for those on low incomes to a far higher degree than the wealthy areas do.

Are they struggling to do that? I'd be suprised if they weren't, and it is going to get worse, because they face additional cuts that will reduce that funding to approx 65% of the level of the wealthy councils.

An aging population, a poor population, and the wealthy councils will get half as much again per head of population for services.

You may not like Bill and Ada, but frankly the job they have been given is as close to impossible as I care to think about.
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikyman[/bold] wrote: Sorry to spoil your anger Bambara but frankly I'm more interested in the poor state of leadership in Darlington than comparing us to the world stage. This council has large reserves of cash,but wont allow them to be spent, instead it tries to make out that all the cuts are the fault of the Govt. Bill and his merry men have had it too easy for a long while and its now time to question every 'move' they make.[/p][/quote]Its the usual council policy of spend it or lose it that gets my gripe. I regularly hear of departments trying to spend their budget on things otherwise the same amount will be reduced from their budget for the following year. How about not spending unnecessary money and save the tax payers money or have that cash go to departments that do need it?[/p][/quote]You get exactly the same happening in private business as well. A department will rush to spend the budget because if they don't then the bean counters will claw back the money and cut next years budget as well. To be clear, I don't know if the council leaders in Darlington are particularly good, or particularly bad, but I do know they have a hellishly difficult job on their hands to cut 25% off the budget in 3 years, and to have to plan for a further cut as big again over the next 5. As has been helpfully highlighted the per capita spend for Darlington 2011-12 came in in the category £930-£1050. Since that point up to the planned end of 2015 a total cut of approx 25% has been impossed on the council. That cuts the per capita spending levels to circa £750. The lowest category on the map provided is up to £830 Darlington are having to run the budget for a deprived area on a per capita allocation of 90% of what is currently spent by the wealthiest areas. That is 90% of the funding level and out of that 90% they also have to find the money to pay for rent rebates and council tax benefits for those on low incomes to a far higher degree than the wealthy areas do. Are they struggling to do that? I'd be suprised if they weren't, and it is going to get worse, because they face additional cuts that will reduce that funding to approx 65% of the level of the wealthy councils. An aging population, a poor population, and the wealthy councils will get half as much again per head of population for services. You may not like Bill and Ada, but frankly the job they have been given is as close to impossible as I care to think about. bambara
  • Score: -8

12:26am Sun 15 Jun 14

spragger says...

Stop frigging around, sack the senior team inc. Chief Exec.
No taxpayer will miss 'em
Cut all non jobs, cut overtime & move to a DC pension
This will have a real impact on costs.

No taxpayer to pay for unions reps, all Cllr allowances to be reduced
Stop frigging around, sack the senior team inc. Chief Exec. No taxpayer will miss 'em Cut all non jobs, cut overtime & move to a DC pension This will have a real impact on costs. No taxpayer to pay for unions reps, all Cllr allowances to be reduced spragger
  • Score: 8

12:54pm Sun 15 Jun 14

loan_star says...

bambara wrote:
Well I am aware that the right wing don't believe the figures, they are much happier with right wing blogs and unsubstantiated rumours.

The funny thing is that the figures come from non-political sources, the OECD, ONS, from UCL. They are international studies and government official information.

In 2008 the UK % debt was a clear 20% below that of Germany, that was our slush fund. We had a large amount of flexibility, but the cost of the bank bailouts was massive, it has in effect cost the country the equivalent of 60% of GDP. Sorry, but no government keeps that amount of petty cash laid around.

You can choose to ignore the facts, the figures, the truth, but it will not go away. This was not tax and spend, this was an economy running smoothly and then a huge economic spanner that nobody in the world on either side of the political spectrum saw coming.

The right wing response, is just propaganda, allegations, smears and mud slinging.
"The right wing response, is just propaganda, allegations, smears and mud slinging."
You could say exactly the same about the left wing response too! They all fiddle figures to suit their agenda,
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: Well I am aware that the right wing don't believe the figures, they are much happier with right wing blogs and unsubstantiated rumours. The funny thing is that the figures come from non-political sources, the OECD, ONS, from UCL. They are international studies and government official information. In 2008 the UK % debt was a clear 20% below that of Germany, that was our slush fund. We had a large amount of flexibility, but the cost of the bank bailouts was massive, it has in effect cost the country the equivalent of 60% of GDP. Sorry, but no government keeps that amount of petty cash laid around. You can choose to ignore the facts, the figures, the truth, but it will not go away. This was not tax and spend, this was an economy running smoothly and then a huge economic spanner that nobody in the world on either side of the political spectrum saw coming. The right wing response, is just propaganda, allegations, smears and mud slinging.[/p][/quote]"The right wing response, is just propaganda, allegations, smears and mud slinging." You could say exactly the same about the left wing response too! They all fiddle figures to suit their agenda, loan_star
  • Score: 0

9:38pm Sun 15 Jun 14

bambara says...

So The OECD, ONS, UCL, University of Cambridge, BBC and the Guardian are all now Left Wing organisations are they loan star?

How about YouGov, and the CIA world factbook, I have quoted reports from them as well? I'm sure the Americans will be thrilled to find out that you regard the CIA as a "left wing" organisation.

Every time I quote a new source or a new report I give the link or the information needed to get to it.

I enthusiastically encourage anyone to check those links out and read the reports, analyse the figures for yourselves, and see if you find any errors or omissions in anything I say.
If you find that I have "fiddled" with any of the figures that I quote, then please highlight it. I try very hard to post the details exactly as the source gives them, so I have no issues if anyone wishes to check the accuracy of my transcription of information.

Indeed if anyone has links to other reports or sources which can provide further information on any of the topics, please post. I will be interested to read them (when I get time)
So The OECD, ONS, UCL, University of Cambridge, BBC and the Guardian are all now Left Wing organisations are they loan star? How about YouGov, and the CIA world factbook, I have quoted reports from them as well? I'm sure the Americans will be thrilled to find out that you regard the CIA as a "left wing" organisation. Every time I quote a new source or a new report I give the link or the information needed to get to it. I enthusiastically encourage anyone to check those links out and read the reports, analyse the figures for yourselves, and see if you find any errors or omissions in anything I say. If you find that I have "fiddled" with any of the figures that I quote, then please highlight it. I try very hard to post the details exactly as the source gives them, so I have no issues if anyone wishes to check the accuracy of my transcription of information. Indeed if anyone has links to other reports or sources which can provide further information on any of the topics, please post. I will be interested to read them (when I get time) bambara
  • Score: -2

10:32pm Sun 15 Jun 14

mikyman says...

So,Bambara can you explain how all these august bodies you quote have any interest in the original story reporting on Dbc's botched attempt to save money?
The thought that the CIA were watching the going ons at Dbc gave me a laugh on a Sunday evening.
Would it not be a good idea for contributors to stick to the point with pertinent comments rather than trying to prove how superior and well read they are against us mere mortals.
So,Bambara can you explain how all these august bodies you quote have any interest in the original story reporting on Dbc's botched attempt to save money? The thought that the CIA were watching the going ons at Dbc gave me a laugh on a Sunday evening. Would it not be a good idea for contributors to stick to the point with pertinent comments rather than trying to prove how superior and well read they are against us mere mortals. mikyman
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Mon 16 Jun 14

loan_star says...

bambara wrote:
So The OECD, ONS, UCL, University of Cambridge, BBC and the Guardian are all now Left Wing organisations are they loan star?

How about YouGov, and the CIA world factbook, I have quoted reports from them as well? I'm sure the Americans will be thrilled to find out that you regard the CIA as a "left wing" organisation.

Every time I quote a new source or a new report I give the link or the information needed to get to it.

I enthusiastically encourage anyone to check those links out and read the reports, analyse the figures for yourselves, and see if you find any errors or omissions in anything I say.
If you find that I have "fiddled" with any of the figures that I quote, then please highlight it. I try very hard to post the details exactly as the source gives them, so I have no issues if anyone wishes to check the accuracy of my transcription of information.

Indeed if anyone has links to other reports or sources which can provide further information on any of the topics, please post. I will be interested to read them (when I get time)
Thing is you only quote the figures that suit your argument. Somebody else who probably has the same amount of time on their hands as you, could probably quote some other figures to dispute what you post. The fact is figures can be twisted to suit any argument, both Labour and Tories are guilty of doing so. However you seem to be of the opinion that only the right wing distortion of figures is unacceptable.
[quote][p][bold]bambara[/bold] wrote: So The OECD, ONS, UCL, University of Cambridge, BBC and the Guardian are all now Left Wing organisations are they loan star? How about YouGov, and the CIA world factbook, I have quoted reports from them as well? I'm sure the Americans will be thrilled to find out that you regard the CIA as a "left wing" organisation. Every time I quote a new source or a new report I give the link or the information needed to get to it. I enthusiastically encourage anyone to check those links out and read the reports, analyse the figures for yourselves, and see if you find any errors or omissions in anything I say. If you find that I have "fiddled" with any of the figures that I quote, then please highlight it. I try very hard to post the details exactly as the source gives them, so I have no issues if anyone wishes to check the accuracy of my transcription of information. Indeed if anyone has links to other reports or sources which can provide further information on any of the topics, please post. I will be interested to read them (when I get time)[/p][/quote]Thing is you only quote the figures that suit your argument. Somebody else who probably has the same amount of time on their hands as you, could probably quote some other figures to dispute what you post. The fact is figures can be twisted to suit any argument, both Labour and Tories are guilty of doing so. However you seem to be of the opinion that only the right wing distortion of figures is unacceptable. loan_star
  • Score: 1

3:48pm Mon 16 Jun 14

johnny_p says...

Bambara- can you bring yourself to ever criticise your beloved Labour party or is it all wonderful? It's just black and white to you isn't it?

Going off topic I bet you even love their invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq?
Bambara- can you bring yourself to ever criticise your beloved Labour party or is it all wonderful? It's just black and white to you isn't it? Going off topic I bet you even love their invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq? johnny_p
  • Score: 3

7:43pm Mon 16 Jun 14

bambara says...

I have criticised the Labour party many times, johny. Specifically over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and over the introduction of tuition fees.
I have also highlighted that I am not a member of the Labour party, and simply regard it as the least worst option.

I have even asked people to quote figures and reports which counter those that I have used. I would be very interested to see them, and I have looked for them myself, but I can't find any.

Wouldn't you think that one of the retired right wing posters would be able to master google and find a few reports? After all I can do this, hold down a full time job, and spend time with my wife and family. (currently in a hotel working away from home.)

And joking aside, the CIA world factbook (online) is a good resource for comparing the economies of different countries. Good to see comparitive debt ratios, immigration levels etc...
But apparently I shouldn't use it because the figures are left wing and biased.
I have criticised the Labour party many times, johny. Specifically over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and over the introduction of tuition fees. I have also highlighted that I am not a member of the Labour party, and simply regard it as the least worst option. I have even asked people to quote figures and reports which counter those that I have used. I would be very interested to see them, and I have looked for them myself, but I can't find any. Wouldn't you think that one of the retired right wing posters would be able to master google and find a few reports? After all I can do this, hold down a full time job, and spend time with my wife and family. (currently in a hotel working away from home.) And joking aside, the CIA world factbook (online) is a good resource for comparing the economies of different countries. Good to see comparitive debt ratios, immigration levels etc... But apparently I shouldn't use it because the figures are left wing and biased. bambara
  • Score: 1

8:06pm Mon 16 Jun 14

bambara says...

mikyman wrote:
So,Bambara can you explain how all these august bodies you quote have any interest in the original story reporting on Dbc's botched attempt to save money? The thought that the CIA were watching the going ons at Dbc gave me a laugh on a Sunday evening. Would it not be a good idea for contributors to stick to the point with pertinent comments rather than trying to prove how superior and well read they are against us mere mortals.
The point is they don't have any interest in Dbc, the figures they produce are independant of the political situation. They are quoted because they are a good way of adding context to the situation.

DBC may or may not be making a bad job of cutting costs. The problem is that even if they are making a bad job of it, they are faced with a level of cuts which is simply insane. Darlington is a relatively deprived area, up to 2011-12 as shown by the government spending map DBC spent roughly the same per capita as Penrith and the borders, the Isle of Wight, North Devon, much of the south coast, etc... so it was not spending excessively, it was for instance in a band of per capita spending below that of London (under Boris Johnson Conservative)
Since 2011-12 Darlington has had a 25% cut to it's overall budget impossed on it from central government.
Government plans are that by 2020 that cut will be 50% of the total budget.

Darlington council is responsible for Education, policing, fire, social care (inc elderly, vulnerable kids and the disabled), as well as emptying the bins and cleaning the streets, and all the other services (libraries etc...)

The number of kids in education is going up, and the population is getting older, so they face higher costs. But even with that the Tory central government has decided that they can provide all those services, in a disadvantaged area for half the current cost, and 2/3rd the cost of the current lowest spending authorities.

Darlington don't need Bill and Ada to do that they need Harry Potter, and his chums.
[quote][p][bold]mikyman[/bold] wrote: So,Bambara can you explain how all these august bodies you quote have any interest in the original story reporting on Dbc's botched attempt to save money? The thought that the CIA were watching the going ons at Dbc gave me a laugh on a Sunday evening. Would it not be a good idea for contributors to stick to the point with pertinent comments rather than trying to prove how superior and well read they are against us mere mortals.[/p][/quote]The point is they don't have any interest in Dbc, the figures they produce are independant of the political situation. They are quoted because they are a good way of adding context to the situation. DBC may or may not be making a bad job of cutting costs. The problem is that even if they are making a bad job of it, they are faced with a level of cuts which is simply insane. Darlington is a relatively deprived area, up to 2011-12 as shown by the government spending map DBC spent roughly the same per capita as Penrith and the borders, the Isle of Wight, North Devon, much of the south coast, etc... so it was not spending excessively, it was for instance in a band of per capita spending below that of London (under Boris Johnson Conservative) Since 2011-12 Darlington has had a 25% cut to it's overall budget impossed on it from central government. Government plans are that by 2020 that cut will be 50% of the total budget. Darlington council is responsible for Education, policing, fire, social care (inc elderly, vulnerable kids and the disabled), as well as emptying the bins and cleaning the streets, and all the other services (libraries etc...) The number of kids in education is going up, and the population is getting older, so they face higher costs. But even with that the Tory central government has decided that they can provide all those services, in a disadvantaged area for half the current cost, and 2/3rd the cost of the current lowest spending authorities. Darlington don't need Bill and Ada to do that they need Harry Potter, and his chums. bambara
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10:45pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Homshaw1 says...

Any one visiting neighbouring areas can see Darlington is a lot worse than others faced with the same problems and levels of cuts. Rather than manage the situation they bottle doing what they should do and end up trying to hoodwink the ratepayer with c*** like this.

Darlington Borough council need replacing. Unfortunately the opposition is so inept no other party seems capable of taking advantage of their dire performance
Any one visiting neighbouring areas can see Darlington is a lot worse than others faced with the same problems and levels of cuts. Rather than manage the situation they bottle doing what they should do and end up trying to hoodwink the ratepayer with c*** like this. Darlington Borough council need replacing. Unfortunately the opposition is so inept no other party seems capable of taking advantage of their dire performance Homshaw1
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12:32pm Wed 18 Jun 14

bambara says...

Please provide some facts to back up your statements Homshaw, because at the moment I haven't seen any indication that DBC are any worse than any other council, of whatever political colour.

The only actual substantiated facts I have seen are that the government is imposing huge cuts on them.

Meanwhile have a look at the UK wide figures provided by the taxpayers alliance. Makes interesting reading. Puts all these claims of excessive pay packages in Darlington into context. You can compare the salaries of the Darlington executives with those of other councils.

http://www.taxpayers
alliance.com/thrl201
3.pdf

Shows that the chief executives of all the councils are on very nice salaries, Ada is by no means the highest and by no means the lowest.
Please provide some facts to back up your statements Homshaw, because at the moment I haven't seen any indication that DBC are any worse than any other council, of whatever political colour. The only actual substantiated facts I have seen are that the government is imposing huge cuts on them. Meanwhile have a look at the UK wide figures provided by the taxpayers alliance. Makes interesting reading. Puts all these claims of excessive pay packages in Darlington into context. You can compare the salaries of the Darlington executives with those of other councils. http://www.taxpayers alliance.com/thrl201 3.pdf Shows that the chief executives of all the councils are on very nice salaries, Ada is by no means the highest and by no means the lowest. bambara
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