"We will cover the North-East with cannabis" - pledge of Teesside Cannabis Club founder

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“THE region is getting covered," says the founder of the Teesside Cannabis Club (TCC).

"It’s just a matter of time, from the Angel of the North to Middlesbrough police station.

“We’re not going to back down and we’re not just one voice, we’re hundreds, thousands of voices from all different walks of life – there is no stereotype.

“We want to take cannabis from the top and the bottom, from the dealers who make our streets a nightmare to the pharmaceutical companies working with the government to hold sick people to ransom.”

The campaigner is speaking exclusively to The Northern Echo in a bid to highlight an illegal plot to establish wild cannabis grows at public sites around the North-East.

The Teesside father-of-three founded the organisation following the death of his father from cancer.

His father’s painful struggle and his own battle to control a crippling stomach condition inspired his work to promote the benefits of medicinal cannabis and he is now committed to campaigning for the legalisation and regulation of the class B drug.

His own GP recommended he turn to cannabis after a serious stomach complaint left him taking seven types of prescription drugs a day.

A mild strain of the cannabis taken once a day – enough to ease symptoms but not enough to provide a “head high” – has now replaced a once spiralling reliance on the cocktail of prescription drugs.

He believes it would have also helped his father deal with the pain of terminal lung cancer.

“When you’re caring for a relative with cancer you see what drugs and chemo are doing to them.

“I researched everything I could to try and help him with the pain but after he died I had nothing left to put my knowledge into.

“My way of helping others in my dad’s memory is to make as many people as possible aware of the health benefits of cannabis.”

Together with a disabled man in his 40s and a professional woman of 50, he set up the Teesside Cannabis Club (TCC) which works in conjunction with the lobbying organisation UKCSC (UK Cannabis Social Clubs) to promote the benefits of the plant.

And he is encouraging hundreds of members to support the Feed the Birds movement by setting up wild cannabis grows.

“We don’t condone dealing or selling drugs," he says. "We want people to be able to grow their own without being criminalised and we want it regulated.

“I’ve got 36 convictions for possession of cannabis, I’ve had to deal with drug dealers and I shouldn’t have had to go down this route at all.

“We’re speaking out to say we’re here in the North-East and we’re not going away until the law changes – this is not London, it’s not Manchester but it’s a big place and we can make a difference from here.”

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8:25am Mon 9 Jun 14

laboursfoe says...

“We want to take cannabis from the top and the bottom, from the dealers who make our streets a nightmare to the pharmaceutical companies working with the government to hold sick people to ransom.”

Great to see the claims that cannabis can cause suspicion and paranoia being proved unfounded rubbish here!!!
“We want to take cannabis from the top and the bottom, from the dealers who make our streets a nightmare to the pharmaceutical companies working with the government to hold sick people to ransom.” Great to see the claims that cannabis can cause suspicion and paranoia being proved unfounded rubbish here!!! laboursfoe
  • Score: -34

9:18am Mon 9 Jun 14

AB3 says...

There is only one word to describe laws that punishes sick people for trying to feel better - inhumane

There is one word to describe a law that punishes the very same people thatit was meant to protect - peoplewithout victims - unjust.

There is one word to describe the actions of authorities that raid people's PRIVATE livesd without justification - illegal - under Human Rights legislation.

Change the law
There is only one word to describe laws that punishes sick people for trying to feel better - inhumane There is one word to describe a law that punishes the very same people thatit was meant to protect - peoplewithout victims - unjust. There is one word to describe the actions of authorities that raid people's PRIVATE livesd without justification - illegal - under Human Rights legislation. Change the law AB3
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9:37am Mon 9 Jun 14

Ron Carter-Bonsteel says...

Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go.
Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide.
Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy.
These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs
People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.
Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go. Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide. Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy. These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them. Ron Carter-Bonsteel
  • Score: -37

11:07am Mon 9 Jun 14

Ron Carter-Bonsteel says...

Sorry meant to say cannibas flaming spell checker my apologies.
Sorry meant to say cannibas flaming spell checker my apologies. Ron Carter-Bonsteel
  • Score: -22

11:41am Mon 9 Jun 14

MrBertie says...

Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go.
Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide.
Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy.
These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs
People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.
Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state.

A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up.
[quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go. Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide. Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy. These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.[/p][/quote]Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state. A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up. MrBertie
  • Score: 63

11:55am Mon 9 Jun 14

Robert_ says...

Here we go... its for medicinal purposes... I know tons of dope smokers, theres nothing wrong with any of them. There is a huge difference between campaigning for weed to be made available for medical use and making it available for just everyone who wants it.

Unfortunately I have knows a few heroin addicts too, including family members. Every one of them started out smoking dope. I am NOT saying all dope smokers go on to harder things but it tends to be the springboard for serious drug habits.
Here we go... its for medicinal purposes... I know tons of dope smokers, theres nothing wrong with any of them. There is a huge difference between campaigning for weed to be made available for medical use and making it available for just everyone who wants it. Unfortunately I have knows a few heroin addicts too, including family members. Every one of them started out smoking dope. I am NOT saying all dope smokers go on to harder things but it tends to be the springboard for serious drug habits. Robert_
  • Score: -27

12:02pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Ron Carter-Bonsteel says...

MrBertie wrote:
Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go.
Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide.
Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy.
These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs
People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.
Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state.

A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up.
I have worked in mental health and have seen young and old suffer from severe illness brought on by cannibas use see got it right as I pointed out already. I think you yourself have your priorities mixed up. How many people have been murdered through drug and alcohol abuse? Domestic violence as increased drink and drug driving is on the increase. How will society give children a better education if they are all stoned out of their minds waiting for months for help and support? Hope you don't lose a family member or friend as I have but this is what is good about these forums we can agree to disagree.
[quote][p][bold]MrBertie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go. Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide. Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy. These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.[/p][/quote]Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state. A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up.[/p][/quote]I have worked in mental health and have seen young and old suffer from severe illness brought on by cannibas use see got it right as I pointed out already. I think you yourself have your priorities mixed up. How many people have been murdered through drug and alcohol abuse? Domestic violence as increased drink and drug driving is on the increase. How will society give children a better education if they are all stoned out of their minds waiting for months for help and support? Hope you don't lose a family member or friend as I have but this is what is good about these forums we can agree to disagree. Ron Carter-Bonsteel
  • Score: -16

12:07pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Ron Carter-Bonsteel says...

Robert_ wrote:
Here we go... its for medicinal purposes... I know tons of dope smokers, theres nothing wrong with any of them. There is a huge difference between campaigning for weed to be made available for medical use and making it available for just everyone who wants it.

Unfortunately I have knows a few heroin addicts too, including family members. Every one of them started out smoking dope. I am NOT saying all dope smokers go on to harder things but it tends to be the springboard for serious drug habits.
I agree with you have it for medical reasons but not a free for all
[quote][p][bold]Robert_[/bold] wrote: Here we go... its for medicinal purposes... I know tons of dope smokers, theres nothing wrong with any of them. There is a huge difference between campaigning for weed to be made available for medical use and making it available for just everyone who wants it. Unfortunately I have knows a few heroin addicts too, including family members. Every one of them started out smoking dope. I am NOT saying all dope smokers go on to harder things but it tends to be the springboard for serious drug habits.[/p][/quote]I agree with you have it for medical reasons but not a free for all Ron Carter-Bonsteel
  • Score: -12

1:17pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Copley23 says...

Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
MrBertie wrote:
Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go.
Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide.
Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy.
These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs
People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.
Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state.

A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up.
I have worked in mental health and have seen young and old suffer from severe illness brought on by cannibas use see got it right as I pointed out already. I think you yourself have your priorities mixed up. How many people have been murdered through drug and alcohol abuse? Domestic violence as increased drink and drug driving is on the increase. How will society give children a better education if they are all stoned out of their minds waiting for months for help and support? Hope you don't lose a family member or friend as I have but this is what is good about these forums we can agree to disagree.
No - wrong wrong wrong.

I worked for many years in mental health....and guess what.....it does NOT correlate. Nor has it ever been proved too.

What has been proven however is the correlation between 'addictive personalities' and drug use generally. Big difference. Yes, those with mental health issues may be more vulnerable to external abuse of all kinds...but to say cannabis is the cause is just plain daft. I had service users who were addicted to much much worse and had never met a dealer in their lives!

Pft.
[quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrBertie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go. Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide. Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy. These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.[/p][/quote]Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state. A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up.[/p][/quote]I have worked in mental health and have seen young and old suffer from severe illness brought on by cannibas use see got it right as I pointed out already. I think you yourself have your priorities mixed up. How many people have been murdered through drug and alcohol abuse? Domestic violence as increased drink and drug driving is on the increase. How will society give children a better education if they are all stoned out of their minds waiting for months for help and support? Hope you don't lose a family member or friend as I have but this is what is good about these forums we can agree to disagree.[/p][/quote]No - wrong wrong wrong. I worked for many years in mental health....and guess what.....it does NOT correlate. Nor has it ever been proved too. What has been proven however is the correlation between 'addictive personalities' and drug use generally. Big difference. Yes, those with mental health issues may be more vulnerable to external abuse of all kinds...but to say cannabis is the cause is just plain daft. I had service users who were addicted to much much worse and had never met a dealer in their lives! Pft. Copley23
  • Score: 29

1:41pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Ron Carter-Bonsteel says...

Copley23 wrote:
Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
MrBertie wrote:
Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go.
Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide.
Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy.
These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs
People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.
Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state.

A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up.
I have worked in mental health and have seen young and old suffer from severe illness brought on by cannibas use see got it right as I pointed out already. I think you yourself have your priorities mixed up. How many people have been murdered through drug and alcohol abuse? Domestic violence as increased drink and drug driving is on the increase. How will society give children a better education if they are all stoned out of their minds waiting for months for help and support? Hope you don't lose a family member or friend as I have but this is what is good about these forums we can agree to disagree.
No - wrong wrong wrong.

I worked for many years in mental health....and guess what.....it does NOT correlate. Nor has it ever been proved too.

What has been proven however is the correlation between 'addictive personalities' and drug use generally. Big difference. Yes, those with mental health issues may be more vulnerable to external abuse of all kinds...but to say cannabis is the cause is just plain daft. I had service users who were addicted to much much worse and had never met a dealer in their lives!

Pft.
We will have to agree to disagree I just hope Government never legalise class A drugs or any drugs that bring harm to the user and especially victims like the families of users who have to pick up the pieces it is well known that cannibas is a gateway drug to harder ones. Think people should be more sympathetic to people who have been victims of drug dealers and drug users.
I and my family were targeted by scum who wanted to flood our estate/s with all drugs while you seem to look to the users I look at the victims of them.
And the misery it causes. Look it's all about people's views I respect your views and don't think they are plain daft that's your view but I have been on the other side of the fence and have known countless others who have been victims.
[quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrBertie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go. Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide. Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy. These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.[/p][/quote]Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state. A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up.[/p][/quote]I have worked in mental health and have seen young and old suffer from severe illness brought on by cannibas use see got it right as I pointed out already. I think you yourself have your priorities mixed up. How many people have been murdered through drug and alcohol abuse? Domestic violence as increased drink and drug driving is on the increase. How will society give children a better education if they are all stoned out of their minds waiting for months for help and support? Hope you don't lose a family member or friend as I have but this is what is good about these forums we can agree to disagree.[/p][/quote]No - wrong wrong wrong. I worked for many years in mental health....and guess what.....it does NOT correlate. Nor has it ever been proved too. What has been proven however is the correlation between 'addictive personalities' and drug use generally. Big difference. Yes, those with mental health issues may be more vulnerable to external abuse of all kinds...but to say cannabis is the cause is just plain daft. I had service users who were addicted to much much worse and had never met a dealer in their lives! Pft.[/p][/quote]We will have to agree to disagree I just hope Government never legalise class A drugs or any drugs that bring harm to the user and especially victims like the families of users who have to pick up the pieces it is well known that cannibas is a gateway drug to harder ones. Think people should be more sympathetic to people who have been victims of drug dealers and drug users. I and my family were targeted by scum who wanted to flood our estate/s with all drugs while you seem to look to the users I look at the victims of them. And the misery it causes. Look it's all about people's views I respect your views and don't think they are plain daft that's your view but I have been on the other side of the fence and have known countless others who have been victims. Ron Carter-Bonsteel
  • Score: -24

1:46pm Mon 9 Jun 14

David Lacey says...

Thank you Ron Carter-Bonsteel. A voice of sanity in a world where stupidity seems to prevail.
Thank you Ron Carter-Bonsteel. A voice of sanity in a world where stupidity seems to prevail. David Lacey
  • Score: -22

2:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

MrBertie says...

Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
MrBertie wrote:
Ron Carter-Bonsteel wrote:
Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go.
Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide.
Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy.
These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs
People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.
Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state.

A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up.
I have worked in mental health and have seen young and old suffer from severe illness brought on by cannibas use see got it right as I pointed out already. I think you yourself have your priorities mixed up. How many people have been murdered through drug and alcohol abuse? Domestic violence as increased drink and drug driving is on the increase. How will society give children a better education if they are all stoned out of their minds waiting for months for help and support? Hope you don't lose a family member or friend as I have but this is what is good about these forums we can agree to disagree.
No - wrong wrong wrong.

I worked for many years in mental health....and guess what.....it does NOT correlate. Nor has it ever been proved too.

What has been proven however is the correlation between 'addictive personalities' and drug use generally. Big difference. Yes, those with mental health issues may be more vulnerable to external abuse of all kinds...but to say cannabis is the cause is just plain daft. I had service users who were addicted to much much worse and had never met a dealer in their lives!

Pft.
We will have to agree to disagree I just hope Government never legalise class A drugs or any drugs that bring harm to the user and especially victims like the families of users who have to pick up the pieces it is well known that cannibas is a gateway drug to harder ones. Think people should be more sympathetic to people who have been victims of drug dealers and drug users.
I and my family were targeted by scum who wanted to flood our estate/s with all drugs while you seem to look to the users I look at the victims of them.
And the misery it causes. Look it's all about people's views I respect your views and don't think they are plain daft that's your view but I have been on the other side of the fence and have known countless others who have been victims.
"Everybody knows that cannibas is a gateway drug to harder ones" - You mean, everybody assumes that it's a gateway drug? The dealers who sell cannabis sell all kinds of drugs, and they're going to offer them to you even if you're not interested. It's as simple as turning them down. However with a legal market where cannabis is sold safely in shops, you don't have this problem any more. I assure you that the "gateway drug" myth will dissipate as soon as legalisation happens.
[quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrBertie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ron Carter-Bonsteel[/bold] wrote: Cannibals destroys lives as alcohol does. Mental illnesses is rife within our society we are being swamped by drugs and with alcohol this will be the down fall of this Country. The amount of people being let off with dealing class A drugs is on the rise there is no deterrent in the courts people in our communities report drug dealing the police catch them the courts let them go. Have seen first hand what cannibals does to young people and older ones living on deprived estates for most of my life but see it all over town and Country wide. Dealers are evading capture because of lack of police officers on our streets and the longer these scum get away with it the longer they have to build their criminal empires making them the MR BIGS and they then have the money to be able to hire the best barristers and Justice money can buy. These people are not scared of anyone and will do anything they can to stop people within communities from doing anything about it as I and my family found out the hard way trying to help the community rid our estates of drugs People who have been in this position know what I mean. But I will never give up fighting this disease and will highlight it anyway I can as our young are being used as drug runners to the criminals and they are destroying their lives for the scum who prey on them.[/p][/quote]Cannibals? Assuming you mean cannabis, you realise that legalisation would take the money out of the dealers' hands and put it into the hands of local businesses, and ultimately the UK economy? Colorado has made tens of millions of dollars so far this year from their new medical/recreational cannabis industry, and a lot of this money has been used as funding for schools in the state. A common argument for weed is that we should "think of the children", but if you really want to deny them a better education and a society with less crime, I'm afraid you have your priorities mixed up.[/p][/quote]I have worked in mental health and have seen young and old suffer from severe illness brought on by cannibas use see got it right as I pointed out already. I think you yourself have your priorities mixed up. How many people have been murdered through drug and alcohol abuse? Domestic violence as increased drink and drug driving is on the increase. How will society give children a better education if they are all stoned out of their minds waiting for months for help and support? Hope you don't lose a family member or friend as I have but this is what is good about these forums we can agree to disagree.[/p][/quote]No - wrong wrong wrong. I worked for many years in mental health....and guess what.....it does NOT correlate. Nor has it ever been proved too. What has been proven however is the correlation between 'addictive personalities' and drug use generally. Big difference. Yes, those with mental health issues may be more vulnerable to external abuse of all kinds...but to say cannabis is the cause is just plain daft. I had service users who were addicted to much much worse and had never met a dealer in their lives! Pft.[/p][/quote]We will have to agree to disagree I just hope Government never legalise class A drugs or any drugs that bring harm to the user and especially victims like the families of users who have to pick up the pieces it is well known that cannibas is a gateway drug to harder ones. Think people should be more sympathetic to people who have been victims of drug dealers and drug users. I and my family were targeted by scum who wanted to flood our estate/s with all drugs while you seem to look to the users I look at the victims of them. And the misery it causes. Look it's all about people's views I respect your views and don't think they are plain daft that's your view but I have been on the other side of the fence and have known countless others who have been victims.[/p][/quote]"Everybody knows that cannibas is a gateway drug to harder ones" - You mean, everybody assumes that it's a gateway drug? The dealers who sell cannabis sell all kinds of drugs, and they're going to offer them to you even if you're not interested. It's as simple as turning them down. However with a legal market where cannabis is sold safely in shops, you don't have this problem any more. I assure you that the "gateway drug" myth will dissipate as soon as legalisation happens. MrBertie
  • Score: 34

3:24pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Daisy_Rose says...

I am someone who has only recently been introduced to the idea of how cannabis can be so helpful in alleviating the symptoms of so many health conditions; and, staggeringly, actually cure some cancers. I am not someone who takes things purely upon anecdotal evidence; and I am not someone who has ever smoked cannabis, or taken drugs recreationally. I have done enough research to see how much our image of cannabis has been skewed by old media campaigns dating back as far as the 1930’s, which arguably, had far more to do with political motivation for stopping the use of cannabis than its adverse effects; when prior to that time cannabis was effectively used within a doctors medicinal arsenal to treat various conditions.

I absolutely understand some of the fears mentioned here regarding the use of cannabis as a recreational drug, however, I think many are not really seeing that whether available, or not, those that have a need to escape themselves, or how they feel, will always exist. It is not the drug that is the problem, and, in fact, it seems weed does not, and has not, ever caused any deaths (unlike the most used; and arguably most dangerous drug of them all: alcohol). If regulated, as is now, happening in several states in the USA, it means that the quality of the cannabis is known and not potentially adulterated as it might be, if bought on the street; and, also, hopefully, may stop people taking the ‘legal highs’ which are now so prevalent, where there is no knowledge of what damage they may do.

As a last word, it is really worth looking at what Portugal has done. They have actually decriminalized all drugs (this is not the same as legalised) and made those that have a problem with drugs into a health related problem, which to me makes the most sense. The figures speak for themselves in the 12 years since this policy has been running as it has not seen an increase in drug usage overall (read article here) http://www.spiegel.d
e/international/euro
pe/evaluating-drug-d
ecriminalization-in-
portugal-12-years-la
ter-a-891060-2.html
It truly allows for those who are having a problem with drugs to seek the help they need; and not be persecuted or prosecuted. It means money that keeps people incarcerated and stigmatised can be used in ways that are productive.
I am someone who has only recently been introduced to the idea of how cannabis can be so helpful in alleviating the symptoms of so many health conditions; and, staggeringly, actually cure some cancers. I am not someone who takes things purely upon anecdotal evidence; and I am not someone who has ever smoked cannabis, or taken drugs recreationally. I have done enough research to see how much our image of cannabis has been skewed by old media campaigns dating back as far as the 1930’s, which arguably, had far more to do with political motivation for stopping the use of cannabis than its adverse effects; when prior to that time cannabis was effectively used within a doctors medicinal arsenal to treat various conditions. I absolutely understand some of the fears mentioned here regarding the use of cannabis as a recreational drug, however, I think many are not really seeing that whether available, or not, those that have a need to escape themselves, or how they feel, will always exist. It is not the drug that is the problem, and, in fact, it seems weed does not, and has not, ever caused any deaths (unlike the most used; and arguably most dangerous drug of them all: alcohol). If regulated, as is now, happening in several states in the USA, it means that the quality of the cannabis is known and not potentially adulterated as it might be, if bought on the street; and, also, hopefully, may stop people taking the ‘legal highs’ which are now so prevalent, where there is no knowledge of what damage they may do. As a last word, it is really worth looking at what Portugal has done. They have actually decriminalized all drugs (this is not the same as legalised) and made those that have a problem with drugs into a health related problem, which to me makes the most sense. The figures speak for themselves in the 12 years since this policy has been running as it has not seen an increase in drug usage overall (read article here) http://www.spiegel.d e/international/euro pe/evaluating-drug-d ecriminalization-in- portugal-12-years-la ter-a-891060-2.html It truly allows for those who are having a problem with drugs to seek the help they need; and not be persecuted or prosecuted. It means money that keeps people incarcerated and stigmatised can be used in ways that are productive. Daisy_Rose
  • Score: 32

4:10pm Mon 9 Jun 14

settheworldonfire says...

Daisy_Rose wrote:
I am someone who has only recently been introduced to the idea of how cannabis can be so helpful in alleviating the symptoms of so many health conditions; and, staggeringly, actually cure some cancers. I am not someone who takes things purely upon anecdotal evidence; and I am not someone who has ever smoked cannabis, or taken drugs recreationally. I have done enough research to see how much our image of cannabis has been skewed by old media campaigns dating back as far as the 1930’s, which arguably, had far more to do with political motivation for stopping the use of cannabis than its adverse effects; when prior to that time cannabis was effectively used within a doctors medicinal arsenal to treat various conditions.

I absolutely understand some of the fears mentioned here regarding the use of cannabis as a recreational drug, however, I think many are not really seeing that whether available, or not, those that have a need to escape themselves, or how they feel, will always exist. It is not the drug that is the problem, and, in fact, it seems weed does not, and has not, ever caused any deaths (unlike the most used; and arguably most dangerous drug of them all: alcohol). If regulated, as is now, happening in several states in the USA, it means that the quality of the cannabis is known and not potentially adulterated as it might be, if bought on the street; and, also, hopefully, may stop people taking the ‘legal highs’ which are now so prevalent, where there is no knowledge of what damage they may do.

As a last word, it is really worth looking at what Portugal has done. They have actually decriminalized all drugs (this is not the same as legalised) and made those that have a problem with drugs into a health related problem, which to me makes the most sense. The figures speak for themselves in the 12 years since this policy has been running as it has not seen an increase in drug usage overall (read article here) http://www.spiegel.d

e/international/euro

pe/evaluating-drug-d

ecriminalization-in-

portugal-12-years-la

ter-a-891060-2.html
It truly allows for those who are having a problem with drugs to seek the help they need; and not be persecuted or prosecuted. It means money that keeps people incarcerated and stigmatised can be used in ways that are productive.
DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL.....DRUG DEALING IS ILLEGAL.....KEEP IT LIKE THIS AND HAVE HIGHER SENTENCES FOR DRUG DEALERS AND SUPPLIERS.....DURHAM COUNTY HAS A MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH DRUGS.....THE POLICE NEED TO START ARRESTING DRUGGIES AND GET THEM OFF THE STREETS......DRUGS BLIGHT LIVES AND WHOLE COMMUNITIES......IN FACT LETS GO THE WHOLE WAY....TERMINATE ALL DRUGGIES AND MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE....
SHOUT OVER.....
[quote][p][bold]Daisy_Rose[/bold] wrote: I am someone who has only recently been introduced to the idea of how cannabis can be so helpful in alleviating the symptoms of so many health conditions; and, staggeringly, actually cure some cancers. I am not someone who takes things purely upon anecdotal evidence; and I am not someone who has ever smoked cannabis, or taken drugs recreationally. I have done enough research to see how much our image of cannabis has been skewed by old media campaigns dating back as far as the 1930’s, which arguably, had far more to do with political motivation for stopping the use of cannabis than its adverse effects; when prior to that time cannabis was effectively used within a doctors medicinal arsenal to treat various conditions. I absolutely understand some of the fears mentioned here regarding the use of cannabis as a recreational drug, however, I think many are not really seeing that whether available, or not, those that have a need to escape themselves, or how they feel, will always exist. It is not the drug that is the problem, and, in fact, it seems weed does not, and has not, ever caused any deaths (unlike the most used; and arguably most dangerous drug of them all: alcohol). If regulated, as is now, happening in several states in the USA, it means that the quality of the cannabis is known and not potentially adulterated as it might be, if bought on the street; and, also, hopefully, may stop people taking the ‘legal highs’ which are now so prevalent, where there is no knowledge of what damage they may do. As a last word, it is really worth looking at what Portugal has done. They have actually decriminalized all drugs (this is not the same as legalised) and made those that have a problem with drugs into a health related problem, which to me makes the most sense. The figures speak for themselves in the 12 years since this policy has been running as it has not seen an increase in drug usage overall (read article here) http://www.spiegel.d e/international/euro pe/evaluating-drug-d ecriminalization-in- portugal-12-years-la ter-a-891060-2.html It truly allows for those who are having a problem with drugs to seek the help they need; and not be persecuted or prosecuted. It means money that keeps people incarcerated and stigmatised can be used in ways that are productive.[/p][/quote]DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL.....DRUG DEALING IS ILLEGAL.....KEEP IT LIKE THIS AND HAVE HIGHER SENTENCES FOR DRUG DEALERS AND SUPPLIERS.....DURHAM COUNTY HAS A MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH DRUGS.....THE POLICE NEED TO START ARRESTING DRUGGIES AND GET THEM OFF THE STREETS......DRUGS BLIGHT LIVES AND WHOLE COMMUNITIES......IN FACT LETS GO THE WHOLE WAY....TERMINATE ALL DRUGGIES AND MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.... SHOUT OVER..... settheworldonfire
  • Score: -19

5:03pm Mon 9 Jun 14

yopyop says...

settheworldonfire wrote:
Daisy_Rose wrote:
I am someone who has only recently been introduced to the idea of how cannabis can be so helpful in alleviating the symptoms of so many health conditions; and, staggeringly, actually cure some cancers. I am not someone who takes things purely upon anecdotal evidence; and I am not someone who has ever smoked cannabis, or taken drugs recreationally. I have done enough research to see how much our image of cannabis has been skewed by old media campaigns dating back as far as the 1930’s, which arguably, had far more to do with political motivation for stopping the use of cannabis than its adverse effects; when prior to that time cannabis was effectively used within a doctors medicinal arsenal to treat various conditions.

I absolutely understand some of the fears mentioned here regarding the use of cannabis as a recreational drug, however, I think many are not really seeing that whether available, or not, those that have a need to escape themselves, or how they feel, will always exist. It is not the drug that is the problem, and, in fact, it seems weed does not, and has not, ever caused any deaths (unlike the most used; and arguably most dangerous drug of them all: alcohol). If regulated, as is now, happening in several states in the USA, it means that the quality of the cannabis is known and not potentially adulterated as it might be, if bought on the street; and, also, hopefully, may stop people taking the ‘legal highs’ which are now so prevalent, where there is no knowledge of what damage they may do.

As a last word, it is really worth looking at what Portugal has done. They have actually decriminalized all drugs (this is not the same as legalised) and made those that have a problem with drugs into a health related problem, which to me makes the most sense. The figures speak for themselves in the 12 years since this policy has been running as it has not seen an increase in drug usage overall (read article here) http://www.spiegel.d


e/international/euro


pe/evaluating-drug-d


ecriminalization-in-


portugal-12-years-la


ter-a-891060-2.html
It truly allows for those who are having a problem with drugs to seek the help they need; and not be persecuted or prosecuted. It means money that keeps people incarcerated and stigmatised can be used in ways that are productive.
DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL.....DRUG DEALING IS ILLEGAL.....KEEP IT LIKE THIS AND HAVE HIGHER SENTENCES FOR DRUG DEALERS AND SUPPLIERS.....DURHAM COUNTY HAS A MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH DRUGS.....THE POLICE NEED TO START ARRESTING DRUGGIES AND GET THEM OFF THE STREETS......DRUGS BLIGHT LIVES AND WHOLE COMMUNITIES......IN FACT LETS GO THE WHOLE WAY....TERMINATE ALL DRUGGIES AND MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE....
SHOUT OVER.....
For argument's sake, let us assume that this nonsense is not satire. With you being so righteous we should infer that you are not a hypocrite but a consistent man of fine virtue, a man who would, in the interest of fairness and zero tolerance also cull those that drink alcohol. That would be a large chunk of the population my friend. Millions of people. You and your fellow prohibitionist would be vastly outnumbered, but again for arguments sake, let's assume that you were to succeed, you would face a logistical nightmare in the thereafter. Where would you bury the bodies? Who would be left to bury the bodies? Who would run the country? The leftovers would have to either ship out or increase immigration exponentially! Shipping out would be stupid, why cleanse the land if you have no intention of inhabiting it? The leftovers would have to import people to replace the dead! But the left overs would have to import those who do not drink. The leftovers would have to import.........m-m-m
uslims!
[quote][p][bold]settheworldonfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daisy_Rose[/bold] wrote: I am someone who has only recently been introduced to the idea of how cannabis can be so helpful in alleviating the symptoms of so many health conditions; and, staggeringly, actually cure some cancers. I am not someone who takes things purely upon anecdotal evidence; and I am not someone who has ever smoked cannabis, or taken drugs recreationally. I have done enough research to see how much our image of cannabis has been skewed by old media campaigns dating back as far as the 1930’s, which arguably, had far more to do with political motivation for stopping the use of cannabis than its adverse effects; when prior to that time cannabis was effectively used within a doctors medicinal arsenal to treat various conditions. I absolutely understand some of the fears mentioned here regarding the use of cannabis as a recreational drug, however, I think many are not really seeing that whether available, or not, those that have a need to escape themselves, or how they feel, will always exist. It is not the drug that is the problem, and, in fact, it seems weed does not, and has not, ever caused any deaths (unlike the most used; and arguably most dangerous drug of them all: alcohol). If regulated, as is now, happening in several states in the USA, it means that the quality of the cannabis is known and not potentially adulterated as it might be, if bought on the street; and, also, hopefully, may stop people taking the ‘legal highs’ which are now so prevalent, where there is no knowledge of what damage they may do. As a last word, it is really worth looking at what Portugal has done. They have actually decriminalized all drugs (this is not the same as legalised) and made those that have a problem with drugs into a health related problem, which to me makes the most sense. The figures speak for themselves in the 12 years since this policy has been running as it has not seen an increase in drug usage overall (read article here) http://www.spiegel.d e/international/euro pe/evaluating-drug-d ecriminalization-in- portugal-12-years-la ter-a-891060-2.html It truly allows for those who are having a problem with drugs to seek the help they need; and not be persecuted or prosecuted. It means money that keeps people incarcerated and stigmatised can be used in ways that are productive.[/p][/quote]DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL.....DRUG DEALING IS ILLEGAL.....KEEP IT LIKE THIS AND HAVE HIGHER SENTENCES FOR DRUG DEALERS AND SUPPLIERS.....DURHAM COUNTY HAS A MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH DRUGS.....THE POLICE NEED TO START ARRESTING DRUGGIES AND GET THEM OFF THE STREETS......DRUGS BLIGHT LIVES AND WHOLE COMMUNITIES......IN FACT LETS GO THE WHOLE WAY....TERMINATE ALL DRUGGIES AND MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.... SHOUT OVER.....[/p][/quote]For argument's sake, let us assume that this nonsense is not satire. With you being so righteous we should infer that you are not a hypocrite but a consistent man of fine virtue, a man who would, in the interest of fairness and zero tolerance also cull those that drink alcohol. That would be a large chunk of the population my friend. Millions of people. You and your fellow prohibitionist would be vastly outnumbered, but again for arguments sake, let's assume that you were to succeed, you would face a logistical nightmare in the thereafter. Where would you bury the bodies? Who would be left to bury the bodies? Who would run the country? The leftovers would have to either ship out or increase immigration exponentially! Shipping out would be stupid, why cleanse the land if you have no intention of inhabiting it? The leftovers would have to import people to replace the dead! But the left overs would have to import those who do not drink. The leftovers would have to import.........m-m-m uslims! yopyop
  • Score: 16

9:57pm Mon 9 Jun 14

gramps427 says...

The problem with people taking recreational drugs is similar to that of people and alcohol; they often don't know when to stop! Medical use of any drug is not to be taken lightly; but no one should have to go to drug dealers for help as all drugs are poison to our bodies. As someone who has had to take prescribed medicines for the last 20 years in order to stay alive along with there side effects I find it strange that people willingly take drugs for recreation. Sadly crime follows drug use as desperate people steal in order to buy their next fix; and when they are on the drug their behaviour can lead to more criminal and often dangerous actions such as driving. Action needs to be taken on the medical side to make it more available without the profiteers of the drug companies getting the benefit; but people need to find a safe way to cope with life, drink, drugs and the like will never make things better, only worse!
The problem with people taking recreational drugs is similar to that of people and alcohol; they often don't know when to stop! Medical use of any drug is not to be taken lightly; but no one should have to go to drug dealers for help as all drugs are poison to our bodies. As someone who has had to take prescribed medicines for the last 20 years in order to stay alive along with there side effects I find it strange that people willingly take drugs for recreation. Sadly crime follows drug use as desperate people steal in order to buy their next fix; and when they are on the drug their behaviour can lead to more criminal and often dangerous actions such as driving. Action needs to be taken on the medical side to make it more available without the profiteers of the drug companies getting the benefit; but people need to find a safe way to cope with life, drink, drugs and the like will never make things better, only worse! gramps427
  • Score: 3

10:40pm Mon 9 Jun 14

settheworldonfire says...

yopyop wrote:
settheworldonfire wrote:
Daisy_Rose wrote:
I am someone who has only recently been introduced to the idea of how cannabis can be so helpful in alleviating the symptoms of so many health conditions; and, staggeringly, actually cure some cancers. I am not someone who takes things purely upon anecdotal evidence; and I am not someone who has ever smoked cannabis, or taken drugs recreationally. I have done enough research to see how much our image of cannabis has been skewed by old media campaigns dating back as far as the 1930’s, which arguably, had far more to do with political motivation for stopping the use of cannabis than its adverse effects; when prior to that time cannabis was effectively used within a doctors medicinal arsenal to treat various conditions.

I absolutely understand some of the fears mentioned here regarding the use of cannabis as a recreational drug, however, I think many are not really seeing that whether available, or not, those that have a need to escape themselves, or how they feel, will always exist. It is not the drug that is the problem, and, in fact, it seems weed does not, and has not, ever caused any deaths (unlike the most used; and arguably most dangerous drug of them all: alcohol). If regulated, as is now, happening in several states in the USA, it means that the quality of the cannabis is known and not potentially adulterated as it might be, if bought on the street; and, also, hopefully, may stop people taking the ‘legal highs’ which are now so prevalent, where there is no knowledge of what damage they may do.

As a last word, it is really worth looking at what Portugal has done. They have actually decriminalized all drugs (this is not the same as legalised) and made those that have a problem with drugs into a health related problem, which to me makes the most sense. The figures speak for themselves in the 12 years since this policy has been running as it has not seen an increase in drug usage overall (read article here) http://www.spiegel.d



e/international/euro



pe/evaluating-drug-d



ecriminalization-in-



portugal-12-years-la



ter-a-891060-2.html
It truly allows for those who are having a problem with drugs to seek the help they need; and not be persecuted or prosecuted. It means money that keeps people incarcerated and stigmatised can be used in ways that are productive.
DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL.....DRUG DEALING IS ILLEGAL.....KEEP IT LIKE THIS AND HAVE HIGHER SENTENCES FOR DRUG DEALERS AND SUPPLIERS.....DURHAM COUNTY HAS A MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH DRUGS.....THE POLICE NEED TO START ARRESTING DRUGGIES AND GET THEM OFF THE STREETS......DRUGS BLIGHT LIVES AND WHOLE COMMUNITIES......IN FACT LETS GO THE WHOLE WAY....TERMINATE ALL DRUGGIES AND MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE....
SHOUT OVER.....
For argument's sake, let us assume that this nonsense is not satire. With you being so righteous we should infer that you are not a hypocrite but a consistent man of fine virtue, a man who would, in the interest of fairness and zero tolerance also cull those that drink alcohol. That would be a large chunk of the population my friend. Millions of people. You and your fellow prohibitionist would be vastly outnumbered, but again for arguments sake, let's assume that you were to succeed, you would face a logistical nightmare in the thereafter. Where would you bury the bodies? Who would be left to bury the bodies? Who would run the country? The leftovers would have to either ship out or increase immigration exponentially! Shipping out would be stupid, why cleanse the land if you have no intention of inhabiting it? The leftovers would have to import people to replace the dead! But the left overs would have to import those who do not drink. The leftovers would have to import.........m-m-m

uslims!
KILL THEM ALL WITH LOVE THEN..........DRUGS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU REALLY KNOW.......I DO NOT DRINK ...I DO NOT SWEAR...I DO NOT SMOKE..........BUT LAST NIGHT I LEFT MY CIGGIES IN THE FOOKING WORKING MENS CLUB.......
[quote][p][bold]yopyop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]settheworldonfire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daisy_Rose[/bold] wrote: I am someone who has only recently been introduced to the idea of how cannabis can be so helpful in alleviating the symptoms of so many health conditions; and, staggeringly, actually cure some cancers. I am not someone who takes things purely upon anecdotal evidence; and I am not someone who has ever smoked cannabis, or taken drugs recreationally. I have done enough research to see how much our image of cannabis has been skewed by old media campaigns dating back as far as the 1930’s, which arguably, had far more to do with political motivation for stopping the use of cannabis than its adverse effects; when prior to that time cannabis was effectively used within a doctors medicinal arsenal to treat various conditions. I absolutely understand some of the fears mentioned here regarding the use of cannabis as a recreational drug, however, I think many are not really seeing that whether available, or not, those that have a need to escape themselves, or how they feel, will always exist. It is not the drug that is the problem, and, in fact, it seems weed does not, and has not, ever caused any deaths (unlike the most used; and arguably most dangerous drug of them all: alcohol). If regulated, as is now, happening in several states in the USA, it means that the quality of the cannabis is known and not potentially adulterated as it might be, if bought on the street; and, also, hopefully, may stop people taking the ‘legal highs’ which are now so prevalent, where there is no knowledge of what damage they may do. As a last word, it is really worth looking at what Portugal has done. They have actually decriminalized all drugs (this is not the same as legalised) and made those that have a problem with drugs into a health related problem, which to me makes the most sense. The figures speak for themselves in the 12 years since this policy has been running as it has not seen an increase in drug usage overall (read article here) http://www.spiegel.d e/international/euro pe/evaluating-drug-d ecriminalization-in- portugal-12-years-la ter-a-891060-2.html It truly allows for those who are having a problem with drugs to seek the help they need; and not be persecuted or prosecuted. It means money that keeps people incarcerated and stigmatised can be used in ways that are productive.[/p][/quote]DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL.....DRUG DEALING IS ILLEGAL.....KEEP IT LIKE THIS AND HAVE HIGHER SENTENCES FOR DRUG DEALERS AND SUPPLIERS.....DURHAM COUNTY HAS A MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH DRUGS.....THE POLICE NEED TO START ARRESTING DRUGGIES AND GET THEM OFF THE STREETS......DRUGS BLIGHT LIVES AND WHOLE COMMUNITIES......IN FACT LETS GO THE WHOLE WAY....TERMINATE ALL DRUGGIES AND MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.... SHOUT OVER.....[/p][/quote]For argument's sake, let us assume that this nonsense is not satire. With you being so righteous we should infer that you are not a hypocrite but a consistent man of fine virtue, a man who would, in the interest of fairness and zero tolerance also cull those that drink alcohol. That would be a large chunk of the population my friend. Millions of people. You and your fellow prohibitionist would be vastly outnumbered, but again for arguments sake, let's assume that you were to succeed, you would face a logistical nightmare in the thereafter. Where would you bury the bodies? Who would be left to bury the bodies? Who would run the country? The leftovers would have to either ship out or increase immigration exponentially! Shipping out would be stupid, why cleanse the land if you have no intention of inhabiting it? The leftovers would have to import people to replace the dead! But the left overs would have to import those who do not drink. The leftovers would have to import.........m-m-m uslims![/p][/quote]KILL THEM ALL WITH LOVE THEN..........DRUGS KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU REALLY KNOW.......I DO NOT DRINK ...I DO NOT SWEAR...I DO NOT SMOKE..........BUT LAST NIGHT I LEFT MY CIGGIES IN THE FOOKING WORKING MENS CLUB....... settheworldonfire
  • Score: 2

7:40am Tue 10 Jun 14

somethinginsidesostrong says...

As someone who has model neighbours, until those neighbours hold drink and cannabis parties, then life is hell! Cannabis is a stepping stone for sad unhappy escapists to harder destructive drugs. People would abuse the priviledge of administering cannabis and its healing properties. There are G.P's who have abused their access to all forms of drugs. To boor the British population by planting cannabis widely/randomly, is crass. Access to cannabis purely as medicinal purposes needs to be further assessed without it being exploited by those who are financially/socially ascending and avaricious. You cannot promote a potentially dangerous element (skunk) by force. Is this a Conservative agenda to conspire to bring skunk into the political arena?
As someone who has model neighbours, until those neighbours hold drink and cannabis parties, then life is hell! Cannabis is a stepping stone for sad unhappy escapists to harder destructive drugs. People would abuse the priviledge of administering cannabis and its healing properties. There are G.P's who have abused their access to all forms of drugs. To boor the British population by planting cannabis widely/randomly, is crass. Access to cannabis purely as medicinal purposes needs to be further assessed without it being exploited by those who are financially/socially ascending and avaricious. You cannot promote a potentially dangerous element (skunk) by force. Is this a Conservative agenda to conspire to bring skunk into the political arena? somethinginsidesostrong
  • Score: 0

10:52am Tue 10 Jun 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

I don't understand why anyone wants to willfully poison their body with drugs of any description. And what about driving while under the influence which is already a massive problem and will only get worse.
Only a fool would take this or any other recreational drug!
I don't understand why anyone wants to willfully poison their body with drugs of any description. And what about driving while under the influence which is already a massive problem and will only get worse. Only a fool would take this or any other recreational drug! thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 1

12:22pm Tue 10 Jun 14

bambara says...

This idiot needs to be locked up. Cannabis and other such drugs are a serious threat to developing brains, and can cause psychosis in those with a genetic tendency to it. The risk of cannabis use triggering schitzophrenia is a known problem and detailed on the NHS

"Certain drugs, particularly cannabis, cocaine, LSD or amphetamines, may trigger some symptoms of schizophrenia, especially in people who are susceptible. Using amphetamines or cocaine can lead to psychosis and can cause a relapse in people recovering from an earlier episode.

Three major studies have shown teenagers under 15 who use cannabis regularly, especially ‘skunk’ and other more potent forms of the drug, are up to four times more likely to develop schizophrenia by the age of 26."
This idiot needs to be locked up. Cannabis and other such drugs are a serious threat to developing brains, and can cause psychosis in those with a genetic tendency to it. The risk of cannabis use triggering schitzophrenia is a known problem and detailed on the NHS "Certain drugs, particularly cannabis, cocaine, LSD or amphetamines, may trigger some symptoms of schizophrenia, especially in people who are susceptible. Using amphetamines or cocaine can lead to psychosis and can cause a relapse in people recovering from an earlier episode. Three major studies have shown teenagers under 15 who use cannabis regularly, especially ‘skunk’ and other more potent forms of the drug, are up to four times more likely to develop schizophrenia by the age of 26." bambara
  • Score: 2

12:24pm Tue 10 Jun 14

johnny_p says...

Oh yes! The "medical, pain-relief" angle.

I didn't realise so many people were in pain.
Oh yes! The "medical, pain-relief" angle. I didn't realise so many people were in pain. johnny_p
  • Score: 8

9:41pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Alexander Dowding says...

Robert_ wrote:
Here we go... its for medicinal purposes... I know tons of dope smokers, theres nothing wrong with any of them. There is a huge difference between campaigning for weed to be made available for medical use and making it available for just everyone who wants it.

Unfortunately I have knows a few heroin addicts too, including family members. Every one of them started out smoking dope. I am NOT saying all dope smokers go on to harder things but it tends to be the springboard for serious drug habits.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe there is nothing wrong with them BECAUSE they use cannabis regularly?

All cannabis use can be regarded as medicinal in some way or another.

It's a health tonic too and should be made available for people to take as a daily supplement like multi-vitamins.

Google "endocannabinoid system" - our bodies were specifically designed to utilize cannabinoids whether produced in our own bodies or from the cannabis plant.

Educate yourself
[quote][p][bold]Robert_[/bold] wrote: Here we go... its for medicinal purposes... I know tons of dope smokers, theres nothing wrong with any of them. There is a huge difference between campaigning for weed to be made available for medical use and making it available for just everyone who wants it. Unfortunately I have knows a few heroin addicts too, including family members. Every one of them started out smoking dope. I am NOT saying all dope smokers go on to harder things but it tends to be the springboard for serious drug habits.[/p][/quote]Have you ever stopped to think that maybe there is nothing wrong with them BECAUSE they use cannabis regularly? All cannabis use can be regarded as medicinal in some way or another. It's a health tonic too and should be made available for people to take as a daily supplement like multi-vitamins. Google "endocannabinoid system" - our bodies were specifically designed to utilize cannabinoids whether produced in our own bodies or from the cannabis plant. Educate yourself Alexander Dowding
  • Score: 1

10:12pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Dr Martin says...

johnny_p wrote:
Oh yes! The "medical, pain-relief" angle.

I didn't realise so many people were in pain.
Stoner's will use any illness to justify their filthy habit
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Oh yes! The "medical, pain-relief" angle. I didn't realise so many people were in pain.[/p][/quote]Stoner's will use any illness to justify their filthy habit Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

10:33pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Robert_ says...

Alexander Dowding wrote:
Robert_ wrote:
Here we go... its for medicinal purposes... I know tons of dope smokers, theres nothing wrong with any of them. There is a huge difference between campaigning for weed to be made available for medical use and making it available for just everyone who wants it.

Unfortunately I have knows a few heroin addicts too, including family members. Every one of them started out smoking dope. I am NOT saying all dope smokers go on to harder things but it tends to be the springboard for serious drug habits.
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe there is nothing wrong with them BECAUSE they use cannabis regularly?

All cannabis use can be regarded as medicinal in some way or another.

It's a health tonic too and should be made available for people to take as a daily supplement like multi-vitamins.

Google "endocannabinoi
d system" - our bodies were specifically designed to utilize cannabinoids whether produced in our own bodies or from the cannabis plant.

Educate yourself
Justify your illegal drug taking to yourself all you like. To suggest the people I know, my friends, who take cannabis are being reigned in from being psycho killers because of its magical powers is just offensive. Its funny the ones that have got married and/or had kids tend to pack it in once they have any sort of responsibility in their life. No more wasting time and money in a stoned haze night after night...
[quote][p][bold]Alexander Dowding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Robert_[/bold] wrote: Here we go... its for medicinal purposes... I know tons of dope smokers, theres nothing wrong with any of them. There is a huge difference between campaigning for weed to be made available for medical use and making it available for just everyone who wants it. Unfortunately I have knows a few heroin addicts too, including family members. Every one of them started out smoking dope. I am NOT saying all dope smokers go on to harder things but it tends to be the springboard for serious drug habits.[/p][/quote]Have you ever stopped to think that maybe there is nothing wrong with them BECAUSE they use cannabis regularly? All cannabis use can be regarded as medicinal in some way or another. It's a health tonic too and should be made available for people to take as a daily supplement like multi-vitamins. Google "endocannabinoi d system" - our bodies were specifically designed to utilize cannabinoids whether produced in our own bodies or from the cannabis plant. Educate yourself[/p][/quote]Justify your illegal drug taking to yourself all you like. To suggest the people I know, my friends, who take cannabis are being reigned in from being psycho killers because of its magical powers is just offensive. Its funny the ones that have got married and/or had kids tend to pack it in once they have any sort of responsibility in their life. No more wasting time and money in a stoned haze night after night... Robert_
  • Score: 4

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