Council leader justifies 1.94 per cent council tax increase for Darlington

Darlington and Stockton Times: Darlington Borough Council leader Bill Dixon Darlington Borough Council leader Bill Dixon

THE leader of Darlington Borough Council has given his reasons for increasing council tax by 1.94 per cent for the coming year, arguing that the authority has been penalised for keeping rates low for years.

Councillor Bill Dixon said his Labour group had produced a medium term financial plan (MTFP) that would protect the services people in Darlington held most dear, while also providing an ‘exit strategy’ for facilities and services the council could no longer afford to provide.

The opposition Conservative group voted against the council tax increase, with some abstentions, and argued that the MTFP was ‘unsustainable’ and full of financial risk.

The council tax increase of 1.94 per cent, which was passed with a majority vote of Labour and Liberal Democrat councillors, was just under the two per cent cap imposed by the Government unless a local referendum was held.

In his opening speech to the full council meeting, Coun Dixon argued that those local authorities that had been frugal by keeping council tax rates low during the boom years were being ‘shafted’ by the two per cent cap.

He said: “The whole system is flawed. The Government has never held a referendum when it wanted to increase VAT or income tax.

“If we charged the same for council tax as the highest precepting authorities in the North East we would have an extra £4m to £6m in our budget.

“Because we kept rates low, we are able to generate less with a two per cent increase than those authorities who already have a higher rate and are able to keep their position.

“Local government needs to ensure its financial basis is strong. The Government could have given us more time to do this [make budget cuts] rather than this slash and burn.”

A number of Conservative councillors spoke generally against the medium term financial plan and refused to support the measures within it, although none addressed the council tax increase specifically.

Tory councillor Alan Coultas said: “The immediate priority is to produce an MTFP beyond one which feels very much like wishful thinking and not a hard-headed operational plan showing clearly how targets are going to be achieved.”

Comments (57)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

1:30pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth.

It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.
Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth. It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire. Homshaw1
  • Score: 41

1:41pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Mistake says...

I think people would be less hostile towards Tax increases and service cuts if Bill would show a little of this "all in it together spirit" the cuts should start at the top with the overpaid and under worked executives before the axe falls on services and rate payers.

As it stands the people of Darlington only see their tax payments disappear as there is little sign of the services it's supposed to pay for. It reeks of mismanagement and "us vs them" at the top.
I think people would be less hostile towards Tax increases and service cuts if Bill would show a little of this "all in it together spirit" the cuts should start at the top with the overpaid and under worked executives before the axe falls on services and rate payers. As it stands the people of Darlington only see their tax payments disappear as there is little sign of the services it's supposed to pay for. It reeks of mismanagement and "us vs them" at the top. Mistake
  • Score: 32

2:24pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Darloresident says...

Puffing Billy will go down in history as the worst leader this town has ever had.He is as I have said many times before a one trick pony.. less money coming in means to him cutting services.He is clueless as to how better manage the money and resources he has..Overstaffed, overpaid and inefficient on the one hand (central town hall office and admin staff)) and understaffed, underpaid struggling to cope on the other (front line services in the community)
He couldn't run a bath never mind a once proud town that is Darlington.
For gods sake man do us all a favour and resign so someone else can have a go..
Puffing Billy will go down in history as the worst leader this town has ever had.He is as I have said many times before a one trick pony.. less money coming in means to him cutting services.He is clueless as to how better manage the money and resources he has..Overstaffed, overpaid and inefficient on the one hand (central town hall office and admin staff)) and understaffed, underpaid struggling to cope on the other (front line services in the community) He couldn't run a bath never mind a once proud town that is Darlington. For gods sake man do us all a favour and resign so someone else can have a go.. Darloresident
  • Score: 36

3:29pm Fri 28 Feb 14

behonest says...

Bill Dixon said: “The whole system is flawed. The Government has never held a referendum when it wanted to increase VAT or income tax."

This is worrying. In other words, the Labour council would like to hit local people with even higher tax rises than they are already about to, and are frustrated by central government stopping them from doing so.

This Labour hypocrisy is disgraceful. They tell us we're facing a 'cost of living crisis' due to the Tories, but then they want to hammer us with the extra cost of massive council tax rises.
Bill Dixon said: “The whole system is flawed. The Government has never held a referendum when it wanted to increase VAT or income tax." This is worrying. In other words, the Labour council would like to hit local people with even higher tax rises than they are already about to, and are frustrated by central government stopping them from doing so. This Labour hypocrisy is disgraceful. They tell us we're facing a 'cost of living crisis' due to the Tories, but then they want to hammer us with the extra cost of massive council tax rises. behonest
  • Score: 26

3:43pm Fri 28 Feb 14

miketually says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth.

It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.
I know we don't like facts on here, but:

"Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards"

In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045.
In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919.

- Source: https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/publicatio
ns/council-tax-level
s-set-by-local-autho
rities-in-england-20
13-to-2014

So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards.
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth. It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.[/p][/quote]I know we don't like facts on here, but: "Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards" In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045. In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919. - Source: https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/council-tax-level s-set-by-local-autho rities-in-england-20 13-to-2014 So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards. miketually
  • Score: -9

3:46pm Fri 28 Feb 14

BMD says...

Bill Dixon and his Labour Lap-Dogs can put the Council Tax above 2%, but they would face a referendum.

The Labour Councillor’s don’t want to face a referendum they could lose, so the front line staff are the “cannon fodder” for their waste and squandering, whilst the Councillors and executives are still reaping the high rewards.
Bill Dixon and his Labour Lap-Dogs can put the Council Tax above 2%, but they would face a referendum. The Labour Councillor’s don’t want to face a referendum they could lose, so the front line staff are the “cannon fodder” for their waste and squandering, whilst the Councillors and executives are still reaping the high rewards. BMD
  • Score: 16

3:48pm Fri 28 Feb 14

miketually says...

If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.
If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day. miketually
  • Score: -3

4:08pm Fri 28 Feb 14

behonest says...

miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth.

It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.
I know we don't like facts on here, but:

"Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards"

In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045.
In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919.

- Source: https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/publicatio

ns/council-tax-level

s-set-by-local-autho

rities-in-england-20

13-to-2014

So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards.
Facts are facts, but your selective quoting of them is questionable.

Everyone knows that the Band D council tax rate is the one quoted for national comparison purposes, alongside the 'average per dwelling' that you chose.

Darlington Band D council tax for 2013/14 was £1,462 and the national average Band D rate was £1,456. So Darlington now charge higher than the national average council tax for a typical 3 bed semi. Or, to put it another way, the idea that Darlington charges low rates is a myth.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth. It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.[/p][/quote]I know we don't like facts on here, but: "Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards" In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045. In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919. - Source: https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/council-tax-level s-set-by-local-autho rities-in-england-20 13-to-2014 So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards.[/p][/quote]Facts are facts, but your selective quoting of them is questionable. Everyone knows that the Band D council tax rate is the one quoted for national comparison purposes, alongside the 'average per dwelling' that you chose. Darlington Band D council tax for 2013/14 was £1,462 and the national average Band D rate was £1,456. So Darlington now charge higher than the national average council tax for a typical 3 bed semi. Or, to put it another way, the idea that Darlington charges low rates is a myth. behonest
  • Score: 22

4:15pm Fri 28 Feb 14

behonest says...

miketually wrote:
If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.
Unless you live in a Band D (or higher) property. That's 8p per day (or more), so at least 4 times as much as your example.

And, of course, if they just took the 'free' money from central government then Labour would not have to hit local residents with this extra cost of living tax.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.[/p][/quote]Unless you live in a Band D (or higher) property. That's 8p per day (or more), so at least 4 times as much as your example. And, of course, if they just took the 'free' money from central government then Labour would not have to hit local residents with this extra cost of living tax. behonest
  • Score: 11

4:24pm Fri 28 Feb 14

miketually says...

Not sure where your figures are from, but these are the ones I found on the source I quoted above: The average Band D council tax set by local authorities in England for 2013-14 will be £1,456 (£1,486 in unitary authority areas).

That does put Darlington £6 higher than the average, but it is £24 lower than the average unitary authority.

Darlington has very few band D properties, hence the much lower figure per dwelling.Not sure where your typical 3-bed semi is located to be band D, but the two typical 3-bed semis I've owned in Darlington were band B and band C.

I'd say it was pretty fair to say Darlington's council tax was low, regardless of where we're comparing with.
Not sure where your figures are from, but these are the ones I found on the source I quoted above: The average Band D council tax set by local authorities in England for 2013-14 will be £1,456 (£1,486 in unitary authority areas). That does put Darlington £6 higher than the average, but it is £24 lower than the average unitary authority. Darlington has very few band D properties, hence the much lower figure per dwelling.Not sure where your typical 3-bed semi is located to be band D, but the two typical 3-bed semis I've owned in Darlington were band B and band C. I'd say it was pretty fair to say Darlington's council tax was low, regardless of where we're comparing with. miketually
  • Score: -20

4:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

miketually says...

behonest wrote:
miketually wrote:
If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.
Unless you live in a Band D (or higher) property. That's 8p per day (or more), so at least 4 times as much as your example.

And, of course, if they just took the 'free' money from central government then Labour would not have to hit local residents with this extra cost of living tax.
But most people in Darlington don't live in a band D property, and they will be paying 2p per day more.
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.[/p][/quote]Unless you live in a Band D (or higher) property. That's 8p per day (or more), so at least 4 times as much as your example. And, of course, if they just took the 'free' money from central government then Labour would not have to hit local residents with this extra cost of living tax.[/p][/quote]But most people in Darlington don't live in a band D property, and they will be paying 2p per day more. miketually
  • Score: -7

5:03pm Fri 28 Feb 14

oliviaden6 says...

whilst i agree with most of the posts here today regarding the rise in rates i feel we are being taken to the cleaners by this bunch of Highway Men that is our council. They waste what they like on hair brained schemes they fritter money on their whims enough is enough they should resign enbloc?
We will one day have a council and a town to be proud of, but alas i feel we shall have to carry the burden of these sad incompetent fools for decades, that is if they are ever kicked into touch, that day cannot come soon enough for me.
whilst i agree with most of the posts here today regarding the rise in rates i feel we are being taken to the cleaners by this bunch of Highway Men that is our council. They waste what they like on hair brained schemes they fritter money on their whims enough is enough they should resign enbloc? We will one day have a council and a town to be proud of, but alas i feel we shall have to carry the burden of these sad incompetent fools for decades, that is if they are ever kicked into touch, that day cannot come soon enough for me. oliviaden6
  • Score: 15

5:06pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Spy Boy says...

miketually wrote:
If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.
But we get less from it. What we find it hard to accept is that there are still so many high paid, un-elected officials cossetted in their ivory tower up in the Town Hall. Not one of these civic failures have been touched, even though so many council employees are being made redundant, or made to take what equates to serious cuts in salary. You only need to look at the link below to see how much these parasites are bleeding us. Read it and then ask your councilors how get rid of them. They can't be voted out by us as they were not elected by us. They are a huge drain on our resources and need thinning out.

Mz Burns is very keen to point out, via some spokeswoman, that she could earn more in the private sector. OK, go there and take some of your team with you. Take them all, in fact, and give us a break. My own take on that statement is that she couldn't get a job out in the big wide world, so she is hanging on with both hands to the job she has. These forums are open to both sides and maybe she would care to comment and explain what she and her team of serial failures have done in our interests.

http://www.darlingto
n.gov.uk/Generic/cou
ncilinfo/workforcein
formation.htm#counci
lofficers
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.[/p][/quote]But we get less from it. What we find it hard to accept is that there are still so many high paid, un-elected officials cossetted in their ivory tower up in the Town Hall. Not one of these civic failures have been touched, even though so many council employees are being made redundant, or made to take what equates to serious cuts in salary. You only need to look at the link below to see how much these parasites are bleeding us. Read it and then ask your councilors how get rid of them. They can't be voted out by us as they were not elected by us. They are a huge drain on our resources and need thinning out. Mz Burns is very keen to point out, via some spokeswoman, that she could earn more in the private sector. OK, go there and take some of your team with you. Take them all, in fact, and give us a break. My own take on that statement is that she couldn't get a job out in the big wide world, so she is hanging on with both hands to the job she has. These forums are open to both sides and maybe she would care to comment and explain what she and her team of serial failures have done in our interests. http://www.darlingto n.gov.uk/Generic/cou ncilinfo/workforcein formation.htm#counci lofficers Spy Boy
  • Score: 16

5:58pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth.

It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.
I know we don't like facts on here, but:

"Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards"

In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045.
In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919.

- Source: https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/publicatio

ns/council-tax-level

s-set-by-local-autho

rities-in-england-20

13-to-2014

So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards.
Well looking on the government website the average Band D property will be £1456 for 2013/14 for Darlington the figure is £1462 (DBC website)
https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/uploads/sy
stem/uploads/attachm
ent_data/file/230925
/Council_Tax_Statist
ical_Release_August_
2013_FINAL.pdf
http://www.darlingto
n.gov.uk/Advice+and+
Benefits/counciltax/
charges.htm

So on like for like properties Darlington Borough Council is about average by national standards and the level of service is dire

I can't find this figure of £919 on the DBC website . Where exactly did you get it from?
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth. It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.[/p][/quote]I know we don't like facts on here, but: "Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards" In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045. In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919. - Source: https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/council-tax-level s-set-by-local-autho rities-in-england-20 13-to-2014 So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards.[/p][/quote]Well looking on the government website the average Band D property will be £1456 for 2013/14 for Darlington the figure is £1462 (DBC website) https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/230925 /Council_Tax_Statist ical_Release_August_ 2013_FINAL.pdf http://www.darlingto n.gov.uk/Advice+and+ Benefits/counciltax/ charges.htm So on like for like properties Darlington Borough Council is about average by national standards and the level of service is dire I can't find this figure of £919 on the DBC website . Where exactly did you get it from? Homshaw1
  • Score: 6

6:18pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

We have now gone from the assertion that DBC council tax is lower than the national average as been fact to it being "fair to say"

Sorry Miketually you are a sycophant. For a like for like property Darlington is not cheaper and the service quality poor
We have now gone from the assertion that DBC council tax is lower than the national average as been fact to it being "fair to say" Sorry Miketually you are a sycophant. For a like for like property Darlington is not cheaper and the service quality poor Homshaw1
  • Score: 14

6:39pm Fri 28 Feb 14

behonest says...

miketually wrote:
If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.
I can't see how your maths is correct. £9 is 2% of £450.

Who pays £450 a year in council tax? Band C is over £1,300 a year.

Unless thousands are exempt council tax, and you're counting them in your calculation - which is hardly accurate, I'd suggest.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.[/p][/quote]I can't see how your maths is correct. £9 is 2% of £450. Who pays £450 a year in council tax? Band C is over £1,300 a year. Unless thousands are exempt council tax, and you're counting them in your calculation - which is hardly accurate, I'd suggest. behonest
  • Score: 7

7:18pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Got Ya says...

Well done Bill for keeping the lid on the Council Tax rise despite the Tory cuts to subsidise the wealthy in the South!
There are a few punters on here who don't realise that Cameron is skinning them.
Well done Bill for keeping the lid on the Council Tax rise despite the Tory cuts to subsidise the wealthy in the South! There are a few punters on here who don't realise that Cameron is skinning them. Got Ya
  • Score: -11

7:23pm Fri 28 Feb 14

laboursfoe says...

miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth.

It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.
I know we don't like facts on here, but:

"Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards"

In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045.
In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919.

- Source: https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/publicatio

ns/council-tax-level

s-set-by-local-autho

rities-in-england-20

13-to-2014

So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards.
What Band are you using as the average??

My house is Band C looking at at least £1290 a year!!!
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth. It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.[/p][/quote]I know we don't like facts on here, but: "Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards" In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045. In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919. - Source: https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/council-tax-level s-set-by-local-autho rities-in-england-20 13-to-2014 So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards.[/p][/quote]What Band are you using as the average?? My house is Band C looking at at least £1290 a year!!! laboursfoe
  • Score: 4

8:08pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Lifetime Townie says...

Darloresident wrote:
Puffing Billy will go down in history as the worst leader this town has ever had.He is as I have said many times before a one trick pony.. less money coming in means to him cutting services.He is clueless as to how better manage the money and resources he has..Overstaffed, overpaid and inefficient on the one hand (central town hall office and admin staff)) and understaffed, underpaid struggling to cope on the other (front line services in the community)
He couldn't run a bath never mind a once proud town that is Darlington.
For gods sake man do us all a favour and resign so someone else can have a go..
Exactly, I would second that proposal if we could force his resignation. He clearly has a preference to ring fence the overpaid town hall hierarchy at the expense of services to the residents. We voted him and his cronies in and this is what we have got.
[quote][p][bold]Darloresident[/bold] wrote: Puffing Billy will go down in history as the worst leader this town has ever had.He is as I have said many times before a one trick pony.. less money coming in means to him cutting services.He is clueless as to how better manage the money and resources he has..Overstaffed, overpaid and inefficient on the one hand (central town hall office and admin staff)) and understaffed, underpaid struggling to cope on the other (front line services in the community) He couldn't run a bath never mind a once proud town that is Darlington. For gods sake man do us all a favour and resign so someone else can have a go..[/p][/quote]Exactly, I would second that proposal if we could force his resignation. He clearly has a preference to ring fence the overpaid town hall hierarchy at the expense of services to the residents. We voted him and his cronies in and this is what we have got. Lifetime Townie
  • Score: 15

8:36pm Fri 28 Feb 14

behonest says...

Got Ya wrote:
Well done Bill for keeping the lid on the Council Tax rise despite the Tory cuts to subsidise the wealthy in the South!
There are a few punters on here who don't realise that Cameron is skinning them.
Are you for real? Bill Dixon is hitting everyone with a 2% rise because that is the maximum he can enforce without a vote. If it was 4% he would hit us all with 4%, 6% then 6%, etc.

So he's not 'keeping the lid' on tax rises, he's enforcing the highest tax rise that he can, without people having a say!
[quote][p][bold]Got Ya[/bold] wrote: Well done Bill for keeping the lid on the Council Tax rise despite the Tory cuts to subsidise the wealthy in the South! There are a few punters on here who don't realise that Cameron is skinning them.[/p][/quote]Are you for real? Bill Dixon is hitting everyone with a 2% rise because that is the maximum he can enforce without a vote. If it was 4% he would hit us all with 4%, 6% then 6%, etc. So he's not 'keeping the lid' on tax rises, he's enforcing the highest tax rise that he can, without people having a say! behonest
  • Score: 22

8:45pm Fri 28 Feb 14

miketually says...

£919 is the average per dwelling, taken from the reports on the page I linked earlier. I did get the maths wrong though: it's a £17 a year rise, which is just less than 5p per day.
£919 is the average per dwelling, taken from the reports on the page I linked earlier. I did get the maths wrong though: it's a £17 a year rise, which is just less than 5p per day. miketually
  • Score: -4

9:36pm Fri 28 Feb 14

behonest says...

miketually wrote:
£919 is the average per dwelling, taken from the reports on the page I linked earlier. I did get the maths wrong though: it's a £17 a year rise, which is just less than 5p per day.
That's better, more than double the increase that you suggested earlier.

However, the 'average per dwelling' is pretty meaningless to those in Band C properties and above. A 2% rise to them is a daily increase of nearly half as much again.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: £919 is the average per dwelling, taken from the reports on the page I linked earlier. I did get the maths wrong though: it's a £17 a year rise, which is just less than 5p per day.[/p][/quote]That's better, more than double the increase that you suggested earlier. However, the 'average per dwelling' is pretty meaningless to those in Band C properties and above. A 2% rise to them is a daily increase of nearly half as much again. behonest
  • Score: 5

9:39pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

We have established that anyone living in a given rating band in Darlington pays roughly the national average for that house and that Mr Dixon's comments are selective and misleading.
We have established that anyone living in a given rating band in Darlington pays roughly the national average for that house and that Mr Dixon's comments are selective and misleading. Homshaw1
  • Score: 15

9:46pm Fri 28 Feb 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

Ive said before and ill say it again. I will never accept that any cuts have to be made whilst council tax is rising year on year.

The lazy thieves in this council need to work harder and more efficiently and they need to cut out all the waste. That's the problem. Work harder and stop wasting my money!.
Ive said before and ill say it again. I will never accept that any cuts have to be made whilst council tax is rising year on year. The lazy thieves in this council need to work harder and more efficiently and they need to cut out all the waste. That's the problem. Work harder and stop wasting my money!. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 12

9:54pm Fri 28 Feb 14

thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth says...

miketually wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth.

It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.
I know we don't like facts on here, but:

"Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards"

In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045.
In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919.

- Source: https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/publicatio

ns/council-tax-level

s-set-by-local-autho

rities-in-england-20

13-to-2014

So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards.
Oh dear the council spokesman on **** is at it again. The same drivel from the council's number 1 stooge.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards - politicians tell you what they want you to hear not the truth. It's the ratepayers of Darlington that are being "shafted" by increases as high as it is feasible to get away with, parking fees and over zealous traffic wardens, BID levies, charges for dumping rubbish etc and all to keep inefficient councillors and council workers in the style to which they have become used to. The rates may be lower than other North East councils but the services provided are dire.[/p][/quote]I know we don't like facts on here, but: "Council taxes may be low by North East standards but not by national standards" In England in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £1,045. In Darlington in 2013-14, the average council tax per dwelling will be £919. - Source: https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/council-tax-level s-set-by-local-autho rities-in-england-20 13-to-2014 So, Darlington's average council tax per dwelling being 12% lower than the national average. So, Darlington's council tax is low by national standards.[/p][/quote]Oh dear the council spokesman on **** is at it again. The same drivel from the council's number 1 stooge. thetruthyoucanthandlethetruth
  • Score: 9

10:01pm Fri 28 Feb 14

behonest says...

Homshaw1 wrote:
We have established that anyone living in a given rating band in Darlington pays roughly the national average for that house and that Mr Dixon's comments are selective and misleading.
Absolutely. As I said earlier, it is a myth that Darlington charges low council tax rates. Slightly lower perhaps than the extortionate rates charged by other Labour councils in this region, but no lower than the rest of the country.
[quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: We have established that anyone living in a given rating band in Darlington pays roughly the national average for that house and that Mr Dixon's comments are selective and misleading.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. As I said earlier, it is a myth that Darlington charges low council tax rates. Slightly lower perhaps than the extortionate rates charged by other Labour councils in this region, but no lower than the rest of the country. behonest
  • Score: 11

10:05pm Fri 28 Feb 14

spragger says...

One thing true in life Labour will always tax you out of existence
To keep a £200,000 pa Chief Exec, unneeded senior team, high wages & unaffordable pensions. Loads of non jobs, which do nothing for the taxpayer

- a plague on Labour houses
One thing true in life Labour will always tax you out of existence To keep a £200,000 pa Chief Exec, unneeded senior team, high wages & unaffordable pensions. Loads of non jobs, which do nothing for the taxpayer - a plague on Labour houses spragger
  • Score: 14

10:24pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Darloresident says...

miketually wrote:
If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.
Thank god for that.. Left to puffing Billy who knows how much more per day? 10p..20p..30p..50p..
??
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.[/p][/quote]Thank god for that.. Left to puffing Billy who knows how much more per day? 10p..20p..30p..50p.. ?? Darloresident
  • Score: 2

2:16am Sat 1 Mar 14

Jaga says...

Bungalow Bill, "local authorities that had been frugal by keeping council tax rates low during the boom years were being ‘shafted’ by the two per cent cap".

All the large increases during those boom years was to be frugal then Bill? If that was frugal, I'd hate to see other increases. One more thing. Were those the boom years that practically destroyed the country?
Bungalow Bill, "local authorities that had been frugal by keeping council tax rates low during the boom years were being ‘shafted’ by the two per cent cap". All the large increases during those boom years was to be frugal then Bill? If that was frugal, I'd hate to see other increases. One more thing. Were those the boom years that practically destroyed the country? Jaga
  • Score: 4

8:00am Sat 1 Mar 14

Homshaw1 says...

behonest wrote:
Homshaw1 wrote:
We have established that anyone living in a given rating band in Darlington pays roughly the national average for that house and that Mr Dixon's comments are selective and misleading.
Absolutely. As I said earlier, it is a myth that Darlington charges low council tax rates. Slightly lower perhaps than the extortionate rates charged by other Labour councils in this region, but no lower than the rest of the country.
When you take into account parking charges, rubbish dumping fees etc, disgustingly dirty streets it is hard to accepted the ratepayers of Darlington are getting anything other than a poor deal.
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Homshaw1[/bold] wrote: We have established that anyone living in a given rating band in Darlington pays roughly the national average for that house and that Mr Dixon's comments are selective and misleading.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. As I said earlier, it is a myth that Darlington charges low council tax rates. Slightly lower perhaps than the extortionate rates charged by other Labour councils in this region, but no lower than the rest of the country.[/p][/quote]When you take into account parking charges, rubbish dumping fees etc, disgustingly dirty streets it is hard to accepted the ratepayers of Darlington are getting anything other than a poor deal. Homshaw1
  • Score: 16

10:49am Sat 1 Mar 14

oliviaden6 says...

Bill and HIs Buddies are very selective with the truth. The only way to deal with this bunch of bandits is through the ballot box, get rid go the Bandits and bring some resemblance of decorum to local government in Darlington
Bill and HIs Buddies are very selective with the truth. The only way to deal with this bunch of bandits is through the ballot box, get rid go the Bandits and bring some resemblance of decorum to local government in Darlington oliviaden6
  • Score: 11

3:07pm Sat 1 Mar 14

DM1989 says...

More cuts to streetscene, this town is already filthy thanks to previous cuts. Then add a council tax rise, why aren't the daft, many unneeded adult & social services cut? They are the councils biggest expenditure! Bunch of inept fools.
More cuts to streetscene, this town is already filthy thanks to previous cuts. Then add a council tax rise, why aren't the daft, many unneeded adult & social services cut? They are the councils biggest expenditure! Bunch of inept fools. DM1989
  • Score: 5

7:19pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Robert_ says...

"over zealous traffic wardens"

No such thing. They ticket illegally parked cars. Simple.
"over zealous traffic wardens" No such thing. They ticket illegally parked cars. Simple. Robert_
  • Score: -8

5:15pm Sun 2 Mar 14

DarloXman says...

Lies, lies and lies.

Shameful Mr Dixon - you should be ashamed for your deliberate attempt to mislead! At some level the Council Tax may be lower than elsewhere but at the level I pay it certainly is not!

I still just have one wheelie bin and one lamp post outside my house!
Lies, lies and lies. Shameful Mr Dixon - you should be ashamed for your deliberate attempt to mislead! At some level the Council Tax may be lower than elsewhere but at the level I pay it certainly is not! I still just have one wheelie bin and one lamp post outside my house! DarloXman
  • Score: 7

5:31pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Homshaw1 says...

Robert_ wrote:
"over zealous traffic wardens"

No such thing. They ticket illegally parked cars. Simple.
Businesses need to work in the town centre. It is also obvious why they are there. I have seen them stand by when a minor collision has held up traffic, ignore council vehicles visiting fast food outlets and scrape away snow to see if motorists are parked in parking bays while people are falling on their bums because the council have not treated dangerously icy surfaces.

Money is their prime purpose and motivation. A DBC employee made a visit to discuss a rubbish problem recently. He parked his DBC van on a double yellow. He was neither loading or unloading but was obviously confident he was not going to get a ticket
[quote][p][bold]Robert_[/bold] wrote: "over zealous traffic wardens" No such thing. They ticket illegally parked cars. Simple.[/p][/quote]Businesses need to work in the town centre. It is also obvious why they are there. I have seen them stand by when a minor collision has held up traffic, ignore council vehicles visiting fast food outlets and scrape away snow to see if motorists are parked in parking bays while people are falling on their bums because the council have not treated dangerously icy surfaces. Money is their prime purpose and motivation. A DBC employee made a visit to discuss a rubbish problem recently. He parked his DBC van on a double yellow. He was neither loading or unloading but was obviously confident he was not going to get a ticket Homshaw1
  • Score: 3

3:13pm Mon 3 Mar 14

MartinMo says...

The question remains, are we going to see an increase of services for this money?

I reckon the ruling needs to change, as soon as increases in taxation are mentioned a referendum should be held.
The question remains, are we going to see an increase of services for this money? I reckon the ruling needs to change, as soon as increases in taxation are mentioned a referendum should be held. MartinMo
  • Score: 6

7:02pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Deanne100 says...

North Wales are getting an increase of 4%!
North Wales are getting an increase of 4%! Deanne100
  • Score: -3

12:25pm Tue 4 Mar 14

BMD says...

The Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy (CIPFA) - Councils in England are planning an average council tax increase this year of 0.6%, according to a survey.

Not in Darlington !!!
The Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy (CIPFA) - Councils in England are planning an average council tax increase this year of 0.6%, according to a survey. Not in Darlington !!! BMD
  • Score: 7

7:53pm Tue 4 Mar 14

christophano says...

Shouldn't the title of this article be "Council leader attempts to justify 1.94 per cent council tax increase for Darlington"?
Shouldn't the title of this article be "Council leader attempts to justify 1.94 per cent council tax increase for Darlington"? christophano
  • Score: 5

9:40pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Daveindarlo says...

miketually wrote:
If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.
We are already paying a hefty sum. Miliband bangs on about cost of living with the electric companies but council tax is the biggest single bill any household faces. The fact is the hard working taxpayer can't afford to keep paying higher bills year after year to cover inefficiencies in town halls.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.[/p][/quote]We are already paying a hefty sum. Miliband bangs on about cost of living with the electric companies but council tax is the biggest single bill any household faces. The fact is the hard working taxpayer can't afford to keep paying higher bills year after year to cover inefficiencies in town halls. Daveindarlo
  • Score: 2

9:49pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Daveindarlo says...

Deanne100 wrote:
North Wales are getting an increase of 4%!
That's because they have a Labour Party leading the welsh assembly, who have not put the cap the coalition have. If we had a labour government in power now council taxes would never have been capped and we would have been seeing even larger increases. Labour care nothing about people's cost of living, they just committed to wasting as much taxpayers funds as possible.
[quote][p][bold]Deanne100[/bold] wrote: North Wales are getting an increase of 4%![/p][/quote]That's because they have a Labour Party leading the welsh assembly, who have not put the cap the coalition have. If we had a labour government in power now council taxes would never have been capped and we would have been seeing even larger increases. Labour care nothing about people's cost of living, they just committed to wasting as much taxpayers funds as possible. Daveindarlo
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Wed 5 Mar 14

miketually says...

Daveindarlo wrote:
miketually wrote:
If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.
We are already paying a hefty sum. Miliband bangs on about cost of living with the electric companies but council tax is the biggest single bill any household faces. The fact is the hard working taxpayer can't afford to keep paying higher bills year after year to cover inefficiencies in town halls.
The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up.
[quote][p][bold]Daveindarlo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.[/p][/quote]We are already paying a hefty sum. Miliband bangs on about cost of living with the electric companies but council tax is the biggest single bill any household faces. The fact is the hard working taxpayer can't afford to keep paying higher bills year after year to cover inefficiencies in town halls.[/p][/quote]The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up. miketually
  • Score: -3

1:41pm Wed 5 Mar 14

behonest says...

miketually says...
"The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up."

Sorry, I don't follow this. My income tax bill hasn't really changed but my council tax is going up. So, based on these two main taxes, the portion of my total tax bill going to DBC is going up, not been reduced.
miketually says... "The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up." Sorry, I don't follow this. My income tax bill hasn't really changed but my council tax is going up. So, based on these two main taxes, the portion of my total tax bill going to DBC is going up, not been reduced. behonest
  • Score: 3

8:23pm Wed 5 Mar 14

miketually says...

behonest wrote:
miketually says...
"The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up."

Sorry, I don't follow this. My income tax bill hasn't really changed but my council tax is going up. So, based on these two main taxes, the portion of my total tax bill going to DBC is going up, not been reduced.
Nope, less of your income tax is going to the council and more of it is being spent on other government spending.
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: miketually says... "The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up." Sorry, I don't follow this. My income tax bill hasn't really changed but my council tax is going up. So, based on these two main taxes, the portion of my total tax bill going to DBC is going up, not been reduced.[/p][/quote]Nope, less of your income tax is going to the council and more of it is being spent on other government spending. miketually
  • Score: -2

9:57pm Wed 5 Mar 14

davvitch says...

All in it for themselves. let them take a pay cut. but know they will not. time they got off their fay lazy backsides and did some proper work for the people.
All in it for themselves. let them take a pay cut. but know they will not. time they got off their fay lazy backsides and did some proper work for the people. davvitch
  • Score: 1

5:53am Thu 6 Mar 14

BMD says...

Year Percentage Band D
1998-99 10.3% £747

1999-00 4.4% £798
2000-01 7.7% £847
2001-02 12.1% £901

2002-03 12.6% £976

2003-04 7.2% £1102

2004-05 9.7% £1167

2005-06 4.4% £1214

2006-07 4.5% £1268

2007-08 6.5% £1321

2008-09 4.8% £1373

2009-10 3.5% £1414

2010-11 0.6% £1439

2011-12 0.0% £1439

2012-13 3.1% £1444

2013-14 1.9% £1456
Year Percentage Band D 1998-99 10.3% £747 1999-00 4.4% £798 2000-01 7.7% £847 2001-02 12.1% £901 2002-03 12.6% £976 2003-04 7.2% £1102 2004-05 9.7% £1167 2005-06 4.4% £1214 2006-07 4.5% £1268 2007-08 6.5% £1321 2008-09 4.8% £1373 2009-10 3.5% £1414 2010-11 0.6% £1439 2011-12 0.0% £1439 2012-13 3.1% £1444 2013-14 1.9% £1456 BMD
  • Score: 0

10:07am Thu 6 Mar 14

miketually says...

Year Cost of bread
1997 - 53p
2014 - £1.29
Year Cost of bread 1997 - 53p 2014 - £1.29 miketually
  • Score: 1

10:57am Thu 6 Mar 14

behonest says...

miketually wrote:
behonest wrote:
miketually says...
"The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up."

Sorry, I don't follow this. My income tax bill hasn't really changed but my council tax is going up. So, based on these two main taxes, the portion of my total tax bill going to DBC is going up, not been reduced.
Nope, less of your income tax is going to the council and more of it is being spent on other government spending.
The point you're making is meaningless to the ordinary taxpayer, in terms of what they pay in taxes.

The portion of my total tax bill, paid by me, going to Darlington BC has gone up, if my income tax stays the same but my council tax goes up.

How the government and the council divvy up the taxes they take is irrelevant to the total I pay.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: miketually says... "The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up." Sorry, I don't follow this. My income tax bill hasn't really changed but my council tax is going up. So, based on these two main taxes, the portion of my total tax bill going to DBC is going up, not been reduced.[/p][/quote]Nope, less of your income tax is going to the council and more of it is being spent on other government spending.[/p][/quote]The point you're making is meaningless to the ordinary taxpayer, in terms of what they pay in taxes. The portion of my total tax bill, paid by me, going to Darlington BC has gone up, if my income tax stays the same but my council tax goes up. How the government and the council divvy up the taxes they take is irrelevant to the total I pay. behonest
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Thu 6 Mar 14

miketually says...

behonest wrote:
miketually wrote:
behonest wrote:
miketually says...
"The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up."

Sorry, I don't follow this. My income tax bill hasn't really changed but my council tax is going up. So, based on these two main taxes, the portion of my total tax bill going to DBC is going up, not been reduced.
Nope, less of your income tax is going to the council and more of it is being spent on other government spending.
The point you're making is meaningless to the ordinary taxpayer, in terms of what they pay in taxes.

The portion of my total tax bill, paid by me, going to Darlington BC has gone up, if my income tax stays the same but my council tax goes up.

How the government and the council divvy up the taxes they take is irrelevant to the total I pay.
But it's entirely relevant to the point at which I first mentioned it, which was in relation to someone wanting more services because they're paying more council tax this year, or the people suggesting they want a refund in council tax because services are being cut.

Services are being cut because of the reduction in funding from central government. The council tax increase is a way of attempting to reduce the impact of those central government cuts.

Arguing over council tax is exactly what those in central government want, because it draws attention away from the genuine cause of cuts and austerity - bailing out the financial services sector in London.

"The portion of my total tax bill, paid by me, going to Darlington BC has gone up, if my income tax stays the same but my council tax goes up."

The reduction in council funding from your income tax outstrips the increase from council tax. You might be paying more tax overall, but less of it is going to Darlington BC, instead it's going toward renewing Trident, subsidising fracking, paying interest on the money borrowed to bail out the banks, Eric Picles' biscuit bill, or whatever bit of central government spending you want to pick.
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: miketually says... "The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up." Sorry, I don't follow this. My income tax bill hasn't really changed but my council tax is going up. So, based on these two main taxes, the portion of my total tax bill going to DBC is going up, not been reduced.[/p][/quote]Nope, less of your income tax is going to the council and more of it is being spent on other government spending.[/p][/quote]The point you're making is meaningless to the ordinary taxpayer, in terms of what they pay in taxes. The portion of my total tax bill, paid by me, going to Darlington BC has gone up, if my income tax stays the same but my council tax goes up. How the government and the council divvy up the taxes they take is irrelevant to the total I pay.[/p][/quote]But it's entirely relevant to the point at which I first mentioned it, which was in relation to someone wanting more services because they're paying more council tax this year, or the people suggesting they want a refund in council tax because services are being cut. Services are being cut because of the reduction in funding from central government. The council tax increase is a way of attempting to reduce the impact of those central government cuts. Arguing over council tax is exactly what those in central government want, because it draws attention away from the genuine cause of cuts and austerity - bailing out the financial services sector in London. "The portion of my total tax bill, paid by me, going to Darlington BC has gone up, if my income tax stays the same but my council tax goes up." The reduction in council funding from your income tax outstrips the increase from council tax. You might be paying more tax overall, but less of it is going to Darlington BC, instead it's going toward renewing Trident, subsidising fracking, paying interest on the money borrowed to bail out the banks, Eric Picles' biscuit bill, or whatever bit of central government spending you want to pick. miketually
  • Score: 0

1:43pm Thu 6 Mar 14

behonest says...

miketually wrote:
Daveindarlo wrote:
miketually wrote:
If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.
We are already paying a hefty sum. Miliband bangs on about cost of living with the electric companies but council tax is the biggest single bill any household faces. The fact is the hard working taxpayer can't afford to keep paying higher bills year after year to cover inefficiencies in town halls.
The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up.
And miketually also wrote: "But it's entirely relevant to the point at which I first mentioned it, which was in relation to someone wanting more services because they're paying more council tax this year, or the people suggesting they want a refund in council tax because services are being cut."

The point at which you first mentioned it was above, in response to Daveindarlo's points about council tax being already a hefty sum and the biggest single bill a household faces. He does not mention wanting more services or a refund.

So your point is not relevant to ordinary taxpayers like Dave, me and most others.

Your "The reduction in council funding from your income tax outstrips the increase from council tax." means nothing to ordinary taxpayers. The portion of our total tax bill paid to Darlington BC will increase. We have little or no say as to what government spends income tax on, or what the council spends council tax on. All we know is our total tax bill has gone up, due to a Labour council tax increase.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daveindarlo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: If my maths is correct, the average household in Darlington will pay £9 a year more council tax next year than this year? That's 2p per day.[/p][/quote]We are already paying a hefty sum. Miliband bangs on about cost of living with the electric companies but council tax is the biggest single bill any household faces. The fact is the hard working taxpayer can't afford to keep paying higher bills year after year to cover inefficiencies in town halls.[/p][/quote]The council are getting less money overall, because of the reduction in central government funding. So, the portion of your total tax bill going to Darlington BC has been reduced, even if this one is going up.[/p][/quote]And miketually also wrote: "But it's entirely relevant to the point at which I first mentioned it, which was in relation to someone wanting more services because they're paying more council tax this year, or the people suggesting they want a refund in council tax because services are being cut." The point at which you first mentioned it was above, in response to Daveindarlo's points about council tax being already a hefty sum and the biggest single bill a household faces. He does not mention wanting more services or a refund. So your point is not relevant to ordinary taxpayers like Dave, me and most others. Your "The reduction in council funding from your income tax outstrips the increase from council tax." means nothing to ordinary taxpayers. The portion of our total tax bill paid to Darlington BC will increase. We have little or no say as to what government spends income tax on, or what the council spends council tax on. All we know is our total tax bill has gone up, due to a Labour council tax increase. behonest
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Thu 6 Mar 14

cushybutterfield says...

The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions..
The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions.. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

8:40pm Thu 6 Mar 14

miketually says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions..
"All we know is our total tax bill has gone up, due to a Labour council tax increase."

The Labour council tax increase is due to a Lib-Con government funding cut.
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions..[/p][/quote]"All we know is our total tax bill has gone up, due to a Labour council tax increase." The Labour council tax increase is due to a Lib-Con government funding cut. miketually
  • Score: 0

8:41pm Thu 6 Mar 14

miketually says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions..
Council tax doesn't fund most benefits.

Even if it did, most benefits go to working people.

Benefit abuse/fraud is far less common than people think.
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions..[/p][/quote]Council tax doesn't fund most benefits. Even if it did, most benefits go to working people. Benefit abuse/fraud is far less common than people think. miketually
  • Score: 0

10:52pm Thu 6 Mar 14

behonest says...

miketually wrote:
cushybutterfield wrote:
The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions..
"All we know is our total tax bill has gone up, due to a Labour council tax increase."

The Labour council tax increase is due to a Lib-Con government funding cut.
That is untrue, or, to put it another way, a blatant lie.

Darlington Labour council did not have to increase council tax this year, they chose to increase council tax this year. It was their choice. They could have cut costs, or reduced services, or accepted 'free' government funding, etc, rather than increase our council tax. But Darlington Labour council decided themselves to increase council tax for all of us, without giving us any say.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions..[/p][/quote]"All we know is our total tax bill has gone up, due to a Labour council tax increase." The Labour council tax increase is due to a Lib-Con government funding cut.[/p][/quote]That is untrue, or, to put it another way, a blatant lie. Darlington Labour council did not have to increase council tax this year, they chose to increase council tax this year. It was their choice. They could have cut costs, or reduced services, or accepted 'free' government funding, etc, rather than increase our council tax. But Darlington Labour council decided themselves to increase council tax for all of us, without giving us any say. behonest
  • Score: 0

6:08am Fri 7 Mar 14

DP20 says...

Right let's put this into perspective, we have a council we don't want as they are wholly overpaid for the lack of service they give, how to we get them out when can wee push them off the gravy train, the waste our money on pet projects. The pedestrian farce, who wanted that by the way? The Haughton road accident blackspot! And now removing the Stone bridge roundabout which we all know won't work, they cut salaries of the staff we need yet carry on earning 9 times my annual salary, why so. Many directors for such as small town, large Corporations don't have that many, oh yeah Ada sling your hook your not wanted, stop killing our proud town and our heritage, stop
killing our small business and driving trade to other towns just so you can milk the cash cow people of a Darlington, rant over
Right let's put this into perspective, we have a council we don't want as they are wholly overpaid for the lack of service they give, how to we get them out when can wee push them off the gravy train, the waste our money on pet projects. The pedestrian farce, who wanted that by the way? The Haughton road accident blackspot! And now removing the Stone bridge roundabout which we all know won't work, they cut salaries of the staff we need yet carry on earning 9 times my annual salary, why so. Many directors for such as small town, large Corporations don't have that many, oh yeah Ada sling your hook your not wanted, stop killing our proud town and our heritage, stop killing our small business and driving trade to other towns just so you can milk the cash cow people of a Darlington, rant over DP20
  • Score: 0

10:56am Fri 7 Mar 14

miketually says...

behonest wrote:
miketually wrote:
cushybutterfield wrote:
The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions..
"All we know is our total tax bill has gone up, due to a Labour council tax increase."

The Labour council tax increase is due to a Lib-Con government funding cut.
That is untrue, or, to put it another way, a blatant lie.

Darlington Labour council did not have to increase council tax this year, they chose to increase council tax this year. It was their choice. They could have cut costs, or reduced services, or accepted 'free' government funding, etc, rather than increase our council tax. But Darlington Labour council decided themselves to increase council tax for all of us, without giving us any say.
And they've explained their rationale for the decision. I think it makes sense.

Reducing spending (which they're still having to do anyway) would/could have made the town less desirable to new houses and businesses, leading to further decline. Speculate to accumulate, etc.
The 'free' government funding could be withdrawn in future, leaving them with the problem of being a year 'behind' in council tax rises.
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: The increase is to help pay for many 'long term state benefit workshy' and state benefit abuse which costs Britain and the poor 'Mug' working British Taxpayer Millions..[/p][/quote]"All we know is our total tax bill has gone up, due to a Labour council tax increase." The Labour council tax increase is due to a Lib-Con government funding cut.[/p][/quote]That is untrue, or, to put it another way, a blatant lie. Darlington Labour council did not have to increase council tax this year, they chose to increase council tax this year. It was their choice. They could have cut costs, or reduced services, or accepted 'free' government funding, etc, rather than increase our council tax. But Darlington Labour council decided themselves to increase council tax for all of us, without giving us any say.[/p][/quote]And they've explained their rationale for the decision. I think it makes sense. Reducing spending (which they're still having to do anyway) would/could have made the town less desirable to new houses and businesses, leading to further decline. Speculate to accumulate, etc. The 'free' government funding could be withdrawn in future, leaving them with the problem of being a year 'behind' in council tax rises. miketually
  • Score: 0

12:31pm Fri 7 Mar 14

loan_star says...

A year behind in council tax rises? So thats another increase next year too!! I bet the same people are in the same top jobs next year as well.
A year behind in council tax rises? So thats another increase next year too!! I bet the same people are in the same top jobs next year as well. loan_star
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree