Thousands of families in Darlington are living below the poverty line, new figures show

Darlington and Stockton Times: Thousands of families in Darlington are living below the poverty line, new figures show Thousands of families in Darlington are living below the poverty line, new figures show

THOUSANDS of families in Darlington are living below the poverty line, according to new figures released by the council.

Almost 11,000 adults and 3,400 children under 18 are living in homes with an income of less than £13,312 a year – the official EU marker for poverty.

Some 3,000 pensioners are also living below the poverty line in the town.

A report prepared for Darlington Borough Council’s adult and housing scrutiny committee called The Scope of Poverty in Darlington, Welfare Reforms and the Partnership Response, found that the profile and geographic distribution of those living in the town is changing.

Of the families living in poverty in Darlington, 66 per cent of them have at least one person in work.

People living in wards close to the town centre, in Haughton and in the eastern side of the town are still most likely to slip into poverty, the report shows.

However, as the number of working families affected by poverty increases, the report notes that some living in parts of the town seen as affluent are now struggling to make ends meet each month and have lost ‘financial resilience’.

The report notes: “Evidence from agencies working with this group of newly poor highlight a range of different problems faced by them.

“For some families their poverty is less obvious as they may apparently have assets but little disposable income to spend on food, heating and clothes.

“Advice agencies report that families have lost financial resilience with savings dwindling and important equipment going un-replaced.

“The consequence of this is that many families live on the edge of being able to cope and it only takes a small additional expense to place them in crisis.”

A task group set up last year to look into poverty in Darlington has made a number of recommendations, including the creation of a number of ‘one-stop shops’ where people can get access to food banks, credit unions and housing, benefits and debt advice.

Work will also be done on increasing people’s employability and improving the skills of those already in low-paid work to help them to earn more.

The report will be discussed by the scrutiny committee at the town hall on Tuesday, March 4, at 9.30am.

Comments (84)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

4:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Mike2012 says...

It's definitely tough at the minute RE earnings & (for me personally) disposable income, but it's important to remember, NOBODY owes you anything, if you want something, you have to go out and get it. Moaning about your quality of life will get you nowhere.
It's definitely tough at the minute RE earnings & (for me personally) disposable income, but it's important to remember, NOBODY owes you anything, if you want something, you have to go out and get it. Moaning about your quality of life will get you nowhere. Mike2012

5:45pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

I can not understand why Darlington is so bad. It's on the East Coast rail network and has easy access to the A1. It has a good mixture of professional and skilled labour, There is a mixture of housing to suit all pockets. The variety and quality of countryside nearby is hard to beat

However There are too many decent people who can not find work. Why will companies not locate here?
I can not understand why Darlington is so bad. It's on the East Coast rail network and has easy access to the A1. It has a good mixture of professional and skilled labour, There is a mixture of housing to suit all pockets. The variety and quality of countryside nearby is hard to beat However There are too many decent people who can not find work. Why will companies not locate here? Homshaw1

6:05pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Jonn says...

Like most towns and cities north of the m25, there is no recovery for the massess.
Like most towns and cities north of the m25, there is no recovery for the massess. Jonn

6:08pm Tue 25 Feb 14

behonest says...

Darlington Labour Council highlights increasing poverty in the town.
Darlington Labour Council is about to hit everyone with the maximum council tax increase that they can get away with by law, without asking local people first. Making it even more difficult for people to manage.

This latest Labour hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasn't so disgusting.
Darlington Labour Council highlights increasing poverty in the town. Darlington Labour Council is about to hit everyone with the maximum council tax increase that they can get away with by law, without asking local people first. Making it even more difficult for people to manage. This latest Labour hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasn't so disgusting. behonest

6:50pm Tue 25 Feb 14

grandmab says...

This used to be a thriving town when I was a little girl in the late 40"s. Then 'Beeching' struck then the market for cotton and wool crashed. Then Darlington left Co. Durham and 'Thatcher' worked her magic. We would have a hard time recovering from all that with the best of councils but the good people of Darlington when they are fed up with the way things are going sit at home and moan while those who are supportive of the successive councils who have mismanaged this once lovely town get out and vote for their buddies.
This used to be a thriving town when I was a little girl in the late 40"s. Then 'Beeching' struck then the market for cotton and wool crashed. Then Darlington left Co. Durham and 'Thatcher' worked her magic. We would have a hard time recovering from all that with the best of councils but the good people of Darlington when they are fed up with the way things are going sit at home and moan while those who are supportive of the successive councils who have mismanaged this once lovely town get out and vote for their buddies. grandmab

6:52pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Border Terrier says...

" Work will also be done on increasing peoples employability"?
Then what, where are the jobs for these people?
The Eastern Europeans have cornered the job market now, the employers just love them paying £2 per hour!
" Work will also be done on increasing peoples employability"? Then what, where are the jobs for these people? The Eastern Europeans have cornered the job market now, the employers just love them paying £2 per hour! Border Terrier

6:55pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Voice-of-reality says...

The clue to the problem is in the title - the word 'families'. If you cannot afford to breed, don't. You will have fewer bills, society will have fewer bills, and the gene pool will be bettered.
The clue to the problem is in the title - the word 'families'. If you cannot afford to breed, don't. You will have fewer bills, society will have fewer bills, and the gene pool will be bettered. Voice-of-reality

7:08pm Tue 25 Feb 14

sineater says...

hopefully your gene pool ends with the knowall !!!
hopefully your gene pool ends with the knowall !!! sineater

8:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Voice-of-reality says...

Sineater, your comment suggests that the gene pool has already gone one generation too far in your family. - You know I'm only joking
Sineater, your comment suggests that the gene pool has already gone one generation too far in your family. - You know I'm only joking Voice-of-reality

8:50pm Tue 25 Feb 14

harry2 says...

Both me and my other half ŵork full time and we are still struggling while our wages rarely go up unfortunately everything else does especially gas electric council tax, and since when does it cost £1.50 for a decent loaf of bread.

I don't think darlington is alone in its poverty status, I reckon it's probably. Nationwide, thinks might be helped by capping some of the increasing costs we all have

Oh and don't even get me started on diesel ....
Both me and my other half ŵork full time and we are still struggling while our wages rarely go up unfortunately everything else does especially gas electric council tax, and since when does it cost £1.50 for a decent loaf of bread. I don't think darlington is alone in its poverty status, I reckon it's probably. Nationwide, thinks might be helped by capping some of the increasing costs we all have Oh and don't even get me started on diesel .... harry2

9:21pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Voice-of-reality says...

Have you considered baking your own bread - I find it most therapeutic and cheaper. A serious suggestion.
Have you considered baking your own bread - I find it most therapeutic and cheaper. A serious suggestion. Voice-of-reality

10:06pm Tue 25 Feb 14

John Durham says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
The clue to the problem is in the title - the word 'families'. If you cannot afford to breed, don't. You will have fewer bills, society will have fewer bills, and the gene pool will be bettered.
Perhaps the government should do more to help people HAVE families. In case you weren't aware there is a real problem that as people live longer there will be a lack of workers to support those of pensionable age in future decades.

The alternative will be increased immigration - and that won't please some either.

Or would you also be suggesting euthanasia for the over 70s when the time comes.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: The clue to the problem is in the title - the word 'families'. If you cannot afford to breed, don't. You will have fewer bills, society will have fewer bills, and the gene pool will be bettered.[/p][/quote]Perhaps the government should do more to help people HAVE families. In case you weren't aware there is a real problem that as people live longer there will be a lack of workers to support those of pensionable age in future decades. The alternative will be increased immigration - and that won't please some either. Or would you also be suggesting euthanasia for the over 70s when the time comes. John Durham

10:11pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Voice-of-reality says...

The major problem rgarding a lack of workers - is not the brith rate - it is a welfare state that has made not working a life style choice for many, unrealistic expectations by some of the young who having (worthless) degrees will not work at levels for which they are actually suitable, and the fact that the pensionable age has not been kept in line with life expectations. People must work longer and make provision for themselves and rely less on the state.
As for euthansia, I believe that anyone should have the right to an assisted suicide and would also make the receipt of benefits payments dependent upon people having no further children.
The major problem rgarding a lack of workers - is not the brith rate - it is a welfare state that has made not working a life style choice for many, unrealistic expectations by some of the young who having (worthless) degrees will not work at levels for which they are actually suitable, and the fact that the pensionable age has not been kept in line with life expectations. People must work longer and make provision for themselves and rely less on the state. As for euthansia, I believe that anyone should have the right to an assisted suicide and would also make the receipt of benefits payments dependent upon people having no further children. Voice-of-reality

10:13pm Tue 25 Feb 14

MSG says...

I feel the poverty reason in east Darlington is why Aldi & Lidle picked this area for their stores.
I feel the poverty reason in east Darlington is why Aldi & Lidle picked this area for their stores. MSG

11:06pm Tue 25 Feb 14

darloboss says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
The clue to the problem is in the title - the word 'families'. If you cannot afford to breed, don't. You will have fewer bills, society will have fewer bills, and the gene pool will be bettered.
you might be joking but i am not bog off bumbles
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: The clue to the problem is in the title - the word 'families'. If you cannot afford to breed, don't. You will have fewer bills, society will have fewer bills, and the gene pool will be bettered.[/p][/quote]you might be joking but i am not bog off bumbles darloboss

11:45pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Voice-of-reality says...

I wasn't joking on that comment - merely the humorous aside relating to sineater's genes - do try to follow the plot dear boy.
I wasn't joking on that comment - merely the humorous aside relating to sineater's genes - do try to follow the plot dear boy. Voice-of-reality

12:37am Wed 26 Feb 14

PJ Chingford says...

But I thought honest Dave said we are all in this together?
But I thought honest Dave said we are all in this together? PJ Chingford

1:48am Wed 26 Feb 14

SirLance says...

Darlington is part of the 'nanny state' that Britain has become. If you are taking out more than you put in you are on the way to a failed system. Darlington repeatedly backs socialism by way of returning Labor candidates in elections! So what do you expect when the Tories are in power? Likewise the Tory rich are allowing in mass immigration to make it cheaper to produce goods and to drive up the housing prices that they already own! It's a 'win win' for the rich who incidentally may all live in nor around the M 25 area of the country!--- It's time to extend the M 25 to the North of England! You can vote for that you know?
Darlington is part of the 'nanny state' that Britain has become. If you are taking out more than you put in you are on the way to a failed system. Darlington repeatedly backs socialism by way of returning Labor candidates in elections! So what do you expect when the Tories are in power? Likewise the Tory rich are allowing in mass immigration to make it cheaper to produce goods and to drive up the housing prices that they already own! It's a 'win win' for the rich who incidentally may all live in nor around the M 25 area of the country!--- It's time to extend the M 25 to the North of England! You can vote for that you know? SirLance

4:49am Wed 26 Feb 14

BMD says...

This again is Labour propaganda and I would prefer if the Labour controlled council concentrated on reducing my council tax rather than playing political point scoring – Shame on the Northern Echo for being a cat’s-paw of this overpaid bungling council.

Under £13,312 a year or £256 per week is the breaking point of being in poverty, which will make every pensioner in Darlington in poverty.
Therefore I suggest the Darlington Labour council lobbied the National Government to reduce its international aid to foreign countries, reduce the immigration of Non-European nationals and return failed asylum seekers and foreign criminals immediately.
What is also in the Labour Council’s immediate power is to reduce the pay structure of its Executives, Directors and Assistant Directors to a level to match their ability and redistribute the savings to the poverty stricken council tax-payer.
This again is Labour propaganda and I would prefer if the Labour controlled council concentrated on reducing my council tax rather than playing political point scoring – Shame on the Northern Echo for being a cat’s-paw of this overpaid bungling council. Under £13,312 a year or £256 per week is the breaking point of being in poverty, which will make every pensioner in Darlington in poverty. Therefore I suggest the Darlington Labour council lobbied the National Government to reduce its international aid to foreign countries, reduce the immigration of Non-European nationals and return failed asylum seekers and foreign criminals immediately. What is also in the Labour Council’s immediate power is to reduce the pay structure of its Executives, Directors and Assistant Directors to a level to match their ability and redistribute the savings to the poverty stricken council tax-payer. BMD

9:19am Wed 26 Feb 14

David Lacey says...

This report was NOT prepared by a reputable independent body. We don't have any details of the questions asked or how the research was carried out. It deserves to be binned. As I've said - there is NO genuine poverty in the UK. None.
This report was NOT prepared by a reputable independent body. We don't have any details of the questions asked or how the research was carried out. It deserves to be binned. As I've said - there is NO genuine poverty in the UK. None. David Lacey

10:43am Wed 26 Feb 14

sineater says...

You can keep saying it David,but it is still is a lie .
You can keep saying it David,but it is still is a lie . sineater

10:49am Wed 26 Feb 14

Jonn says...

David Lacey wrote:
This report was NOT prepared by a reputable independent body. We don't have any details of the questions asked or how the research was carried out. It deserves to be binned. As I've said - there is NO genuine poverty in the UK. None.
I take it your findings that there is no 'genuine' poverty in the UK are based on evidence from a reputable independent body?
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: This report was NOT prepared by a reputable independent body. We don't have any details of the questions asked or how the research was carried out. It deserves to be binned. As I've said - there is NO genuine poverty in the UK. None.[/p][/quote]I take it your findings that there is no 'genuine' poverty in the UK are based on evidence from a reputable independent body? Jonn

11:02am Wed 26 Feb 14

Townlad says...

@MSG not all people in poverty shop at Aldi or Lidl, myself and my soon to be wife have a combined income of around £45k a year and shop in Lidl every week, we choose to shop here as it`s cheaper than the big 4 and offers everything that we need.
@MSG not all people in poverty shop at Aldi or Lidl, myself and my soon to be wife have a combined income of around £45k a year and shop in Lidl every week, we choose to shop here as it`s cheaper than the big 4 and offers everything that we need. Townlad

11:19am Wed 26 Feb 14

pedro55 says...

David Lacey - have you read the full report? It draws on numerous reputable independent bodies research as well as compiling the local statistics in line with verifiable statistical methods.

Read it here http://www.darlingto
n.gov.uk/dar_public/
documents/__Darlingt
onPartnership/Item%2
05%20Poverty%20Task%
20and%20Finish%20Rep
ort%20Appendix%201.p
df
David Lacey - have you read the full report? It draws on numerous reputable independent bodies research as well as compiling the local statistics in line with verifiable statistical methods. Read it here http://www.darlingto n.gov.uk/dar_public/ documents/__Darlingt onPartnership/Item%2 05%20Poverty%20Task% 20and%20Finish%20Rep ort%20Appendix%201.p df pedro55

11:23am Wed 26 Feb 14

Jonn says...

For this Government to admit any poverty exists, would be to admit that their policies caused it. They aint going to admit that their policies have caused it, thus any poverty doesn't exsist.
Iain Duncan Smith is about to redefine the rules on poverty as Government will miss targets laid down in Law to eradicate poverty.
Over 1 million JSA sanctions issued in the last year, the highest since records began, a minimum of 4 weeks without anything to live on. Almost half of sanctions end up being overturned weeks later but that's too late if you are broke, and they say there's no need for food banks. Lieing pigs. They know the truth.
For this Government to admit any poverty exists, would be to admit that their policies caused it. They aint going to admit that their policies have caused it, thus any poverty doesn't exsist. Iain Duncan Smith is about to redefine the rules on poverty as Government will miss targets laid down in Law to eradicate poverty. Over 1 million JSA sanctions issued in the last year, the highest since records began, a minimum of 4 weeks without anything to live on. Almost half of sanctions end up being overturned weeks later but that's too late if you are broke, and they say there's no need for food banks. Lieing pigs. They know the truth. Jonn

11:23am Wed 26 Feb 14

pedro55 says...

From the report:

The Impacts of Welfare Reform in Darlingtonxv was produced in
March 2012 by Darlington Borough Council to map and model the
predicted impacts of the welfare reform agenda. The impact
assessment predicts a per annum loss of approximately £14 million
to the Darlington economy based upon DWP impact assessments
and local data.

Hitting the Poorest Places Hardestxvi was produced in April 2013 by
the Centre for Regional Economic and Social Research (CRESR)
based at Sheffield Hallam University. As with The Impacts of
Welfare Reform in Darlington, CRESR used local data as well as date
from impact assessments produced by DWP.

Hitting the Poorest Places Hardest estimates a loss to Darlington’s
economy of £37 million per annum, equivalent to £546 per working
age person within the Borough.

In January 2012 the Office of the Children’s Commissioner
published an impact assessment of the Welfare Reform Billxvii,
highlighting how the Bill would impact upon the rights of children as
set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child
(UNCRC).
From the report: The Impacts of Welfare Reform in Darlingtonxv was produced in March 2012 by Darlington Borough Council to map and model the predicted impacts of the welfare reform agenda. The impact assessment predicts a per annum loss of approximately £14 million to the Darlington economy based upon DWP impact assessments and local data. Hitting the Poorest Places Hardestxvi was produced in April 2013 by the Centre for Regional Economic and Social Research (CRESR) based at Sheffield Hallam University. As with The Impacts of Welfare Reform in Darlington, CRESR used local data as well as date from impact assessments produced by DWP. Hitting the Poorest Places Hardest estimates a loss to Darlington’s economy of £37 million per annum, equivalent to £546 per working age person within the Borough. In January 2012 the Office of the Children’s Commissioner published an impact assessment of the Welfare Reform Billxvii, highlighting how the Bill would impact upon the rights of children as set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC). pedro55

11:40am Wed 26 Feb 14

miketually says...

pedro55 wrote:
David Lacey - have you read the full report? It draws on numerous reputable independent bodies research as well as compiling the local statistics in line with verifiable statistical methods.

Read it here http://www.darlingto

n.gov.uk/dar_public/

documents/__Darlingt

onPartnership/Item%2

05%20Poverty%20Task%

20and%20Finish%20Rep

ort%20Appendix%201.p

df
Pfft, you can prove anything with facts.

;)
[quote][p][bold]pedro55[/bold] wrote: David Lacey - have you read the full report? It draws on numerous reputable independent bodies research as well as compiling the local statistics in line with verifiable statistical methods. Read it here http://www.darlingto n.gov.uk/dar_public/ documents/__Darlingt onPartnership/Item%2 05%20Poverty%20Task% 20and%20Finish%20Rep ort%20Appendix%201.p df[/p][/quote]Pfft, you can prove anything with facts. ;) miketually

11:59am Wed 26 Feb 14

Jonn says...

0.7% of the British population are millionaires.
78% of all British MP's are millionaires.
That's representative democracy for you.
Over half these people say food banks aren't needed too!
0.7% of the British population are millionaires. 78% of all British MP's are millionaires. That's representative democracy for you. Over half these people say food banks aren't needed too! Jonn

10:19am Thu 27 Feb 14

behonest says...

pedro55 says...

"Hitting the Poorest Places Hardestxvi was produced in April 2013 by
the Centre for Regional Economic and Social Research (CRESR)
based at Sheffield Hallam University."

Hang on, wasn't it this University that also produced the discredited report on minimum price of alcohol? So-called 'evidence' that the health police keep trying to convince us is credible.
pedro55 says... "Hitting the Poorest Places Hardestxvi was produced in April 2013 by the Centre for Regional Economic and Social Research (CRESR) based at Sheffield Hallam University." Hang on, wasn't it this University that also produced the discredited report on minimum price of alcohol? So-called 'evidence' that the health police keep trying to convince us is credible. behonest

11:27am Thu 27 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Utter 'political codswallop', its a fair bet most are ON benefits. The solution get off your butts and get A JOB of WORK and give up your Cars, Fags, Booze, expensiveoes and Taxi Rides' and designer purchased clothing and mobile phones, plasma Televisions etc, etc, etc,
Utter 'political codswallop', its a fair bet most are ON benefits. The solution get off your butts and get A JOB of WORK and give up your Cars, Fags, Booze, expensiveoes and Taxi Rides' and designer purchased clothing and mobile phones, plasma Televisions etc, etc, etc, cushybutterfield

2:16pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sineater says...

Codswallop,thats your middle name isn't it !!!!
Codswallop,thats your middle name isn't it !!!! sineater

2:24pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sineater says...

To late VOR, my genes have already been passed on,and one of my progeny is a university graduate, so it's right what they say about inherited characteristics-----
ha ha !!!
To late VOR, my genes have already been passed on,and one of my progeny is a university graduate, so it's right what they say about inherited characteristics----- ha ha !!! sineater

2:52pm Thu 27 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

If anything is to be gleamed off this report is that the greater % of families living in relative poverty are working class families, not those families on benefits as some whom post on these threads would have you believe.

Said it before on many occassions, the working class are the ones victemised and forced to live in poverty to provide a better life for the wealthy and those on benefits.

Apperently some people think this is fair but still expect more to be done to improve the lifestyle on those on benefits.

In a previous thread thread Sineater called me an idiot, well yes I am and many others like me, we are all idiots for working our entire lives so far thinking this was the best thing to do. If I want a better life I should find away to evade paying taxes or give up work and milk the benefit system, maybe even fraudently claim benefits as you seem to get away with that even if you're caught out.
If anything is to be gleamed off this report is that the greater % of families living in relative poverty are working class families, not those families on benefits as some whom post on these threads would have you believe. Said it before on many occassions, the working class are the ones victemised and forced to live in poverty to provide a better life for the wealthy and those on benefits. Apperently some people think this is fair but still expect more to be done to improve the lifestyle on those on benefits. In a previous thread thread Sineater called me an idiot, well yes I am and many others like me, we are all idiots for working our entire lives so far thinking this was the best thing to do. If I want a better life I should find away to evade paying taxes or give up work and milk the benefit system, maybe even fraudently claim benefits as you seem to get away with that even if you're caught out. MartinMo

2:55pm Thu 27 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

sineater wrote:
To late VOR, my genes have already been passed on,and one of my progeny is a university graduate, so it's right what they say about inherited characteristics-----

ha ha !!!
They obviously picked up some genes that skipped many generations.....he he
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: To late VOR, my genes have already been passed on,and one of my progeny is a university graduate, so it's right what they say about inherited characteristics----- ha ha !!![/p][/quote]They obviously picked up some genes that skipped many generations.....he he MartinMo

3:08pm Thu 27 Feb 14

behonest says...

sineater wrote:
To late VOR, my genes have already been passed on,and one of my progeny is a university graduate, so it's right what they say about inherited characteristics-----

ha ha !!!
Even more evidence that universities have been increasingly dumbed down in recent years.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: To late VOR, my genes have already been passed on,and one of my progeny is a university graduate, so it's right what they say about inherited characteristics----- ha ha !!![/p][/quote]Even more evidence that universities have been increasingly dumbed down in recent years. behonest

3:12pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Joe, Brinkburn says...

Articles like this make me very annoyed, yes there are families who genuinely cannot make ends meet due to illness or infirmity. But there are those who are not prepared to go out and WORK!!!.
Myself and my wife both work full time and have 2 children, a couple of years ago my wage was cut nearly in half because of the lack of work. So what did I do? Sit at home and moan about being low paid? No! I got myself a 2nd job working twilight in a petrol station which meant going straight from one job to the other. My wife also took on a 2nd job part time in a supermarket. We didn't like doing it but we needed to, to pay for 2 boys to go through college. If people want money and are prepared to work there is work there. Just go out and find it instead of sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle or other such rubbish!!
Articles like this make me very annoyed, yes there are families who genuinely cannot make ends meet due to illness or infirmity. But there are those who are not prepared to go out and WORK!!!. Myself and my wife both work full time and have 2 children, a couple of years ago my wage was cut nearly in half because of the lack of work. So what did I do? Sit at home and moan about being low paid? No! I got myself a 2nd job working twilight in a petrol station which meant going straight from one job to the other. My wife also took on a 2nd job part time in a supermarket. We didn't like doing it but we needed to, to pay for 2 boys to go through college. If people want money and are prepared to work there is work there. Just go out and find it instead of sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle or other such rubbish!! Joe, Brinkburn

3:55pm Thu 27 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

Well said Joe, I was in the same boat until my wife took ill. Worked basically 9-5 then took on door man work for local pubs and clubs working 7pm until 2am on most evenings. mIss the extra cash but more important to look after the wife and 2 youngs on the evenings.

Although I work full time at present I am still registered with employment agencies which on everage I still receive approx 20 employment offers during the working week.

The main problem is not an untrustworthy job market, it's the fact that many welfare families are better off claiming the benefits on offer than actually taking any form of employment, especially at the lower salary level.

Solution, increase the minimum pay massively in both public and private sectors whilst lowering taxtion making it profitable to take on full time employment or severely cut the benefits on offer forcing those able to work into employment. A family claiming benefits should never have a higher household income than someone working full time, even at the minimum payscale.
Well said Joe, I was in the same boat until my wife took ill. Worked basically 9-5 then took on door man work for local pubs and clubs working 7pm until 2am on most evenings. mIss the extra cash but more important to look after the wife and 2 youngs on the evenings. Although I work full time at present I am still registered with employment agencies which on everage I still receive approx 20 employment offers during the working week. The main problem is not an untrustworthy job market, it's the fact that many welfare families are better off claiming the benefits on offer than actually taking any form of employment, especially at the lower salary level. Solution, increase the minimum pay massively in both public and private sectors whilst lowering taxtion making it profitable to take on full time employment or severely cut the benefits on offer forcing those able to work into employment. A family claiming benefits should never have a higher household income than someone working full time, even at the minimum payscale. MartinMo

4:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

mahrud says...

MartinMo, please tell me which agencies you are with?? I'm registered with every agency in my town and get no offers any week! I've cleaned toilets, I've taken jobs for one hour a day, I've tried everything in the last 9 months without any success!
At 57 and single I have nearly exhausted the savings I had put aside for my retirement, so what I'll live on then I really don't know!! As for benefits, how can anyone live on £44 a week? It seems to me that poverty really does exist, but it hits the single, middle aged hardest cos we have no children to claim for and everyone shouts that the youngsters should have the jobs. What about those of us with a house to run, electric and gas bills to pay,
As I said God knows what I'll live on in my old age, I probably won't qualify for a full pension either as all the jobs are less than 20 hours so they don't qualify for National Insurance contributions, so most of us aren't contributing to the pension, but hey come to that neither are the employers.
MartinMo, please tell me which agencies you are with?? I'm registered with every agency in my town and get no offers any week! I've cleaned toilets, I've taken jobs for one hour a day, I've tried everything in the last 9 months without any success! At 57 and single I have nearly exhausted the savings I had put aside for my retirement, so what I'll live on then I really don't know!! As for benefits, how can anyone live on £44 a week? It seems to me that poverty really does exist, but it hits the single, middle aged hardest cos we have no children to claim for and everyone shouts that the youngsters should have the jobs. What about those of us with a house to run, electric and gas bills to pay, As I said God knows what I'll live on in my old age, I probably won't qualify for a full pension either as all the jobs are less than 20 hours so they don't qualify for National Insurance contributions, so most of us aren't contributing to the pension, but hey come to that neither are the employers. mahrud

5:19pm Thu 27 Feb 14

pedro55 says...

The 'skivers and shirkers' debate is based on a fundamental mistruth. Evidence shows people frequently move in and out of work: 5 million have claimed Jobseeker’s Allowance in the past two years alone.

There are more people in poverty in working households (6.1m) than in households without work (5.1m). Other research demonstrates a strong work ethic among people living in deprived areas. Most people in poverty want to work hard and get on." Joseph Rountree Foundation.

http://www.jrf.org.u
k/welfare-reform
The 'skivers and shirkers' debate is based on a fundamental mistruth. Evidence shows people frequently move in and out of work: 5 million have claimed Jobseeker’s Allowance in the past two years alone. There are more people in poverty in working households (6.1m) than in households without work (5.1m). Other research demonstrates a strong work ethic among people living in deprived areas. Most people in poverty want to work hard and get on." Joseph Rountree Foundation. http://www.jrf.org.u k/welfare-reform pedro55

5:35pm Thu 27 Feb 14

drainman says...

Hi Everyone, just need to get this one off my chest. Tony Blair is a war criminal and now we find out this man that he has pardoned the murdering IRA scum that killed 4 policemen and 7 horse in Hyde Park. Who the hell does he think he is? et he wouldn't be so sympathetic if someone blow his family into pieces..............
.........
Hi Everyone, just need to get this one off my chest. Tony Blair is a war criminal and now we find out this man that he has pardoned the murdering IRA scum that killed 4 policemen and 7 horse in Hyde Park. Who the hell does he think he is? et he wouldn't be so sympathetic if someone blow his family into pieces.............. ......... drainman

5:45pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Jonn says...

mahrud wrote:
MartinMo, please tell me which agencies you are with?? I'm registered with every agency in my town and get no offers any week! I've cleaned toilets, I've taken jobs for one hour a day, I've tried everything in the last 9 months without any success!
At 57 and single I have nearly exhausted the savings I had put aside for my retirement, so what I'll live on then I really don't know!! As for benefits, how can anyone live on £44 a week? It seems to me that poverty really does exist, but it hits the single, middle aged hardest cos we have no children to claim for and everyone shouts that the youngsters should have the jobs. What about those of us with a house to run, electric and gas bills to pay,
As I said God knows what I'll live on in my old age, I probably won't qualify for a full pension either as all the jobs are less than 20 hours so they don't qualify for National Insurance contributions, so most of us aren't contributing to the pension, but hey come to that neither are the employers.
The jobs market is a mess indeed, despite what the Government say, decent full time jobs are rare.
My younger brother is 28, never claimed a benefit, worked last 6 years for a well known supermarket to become relief store manager for the region and last year graduated from uni with a first.
He's lucky to get 20 hours work in any 1 week with supermarket so has been applying for proper full time jobs elsewhere as he has found the cost of living unbearable now. He has been advised to dumb down his cv to better his chances, how rediculous!
The young are struggling too!
[quote][p][bold]mahrud[/bold] wrote: MartinMo, please tell me which agencies you are with?? I'm registered with every agency in my town and get no offers any week! I've cleaned toilets, I've taken jobs for one hour a day, I've tried everything in the last 9 months without any success! At 57 and single I have nearly exhausted the savings I had put aside for my retirement, so what I'll live on then I really don't know!! As for benefits, how can anyone live on £44 a week? It seems to me that poverty really does exist, but it hits the single, middle aged hardest cos we have no children to claim for and everyone shouts that the youngsters should have the jobs. What about those of us with a house to run, electric and gas bills to pay, As I said God knows what I'll live on in my old age, I probably won't qualify for a full pension either as all the jobs are less than 20 hours so they don't qualify for National Insurance contributions, so most of us aren't contributing to the pension, but hey come to that neither are the employers.[/p][/quote]The jobs market is a mess indeed, despite what the Government say, decent full time jobs are rare. My younger brother is 28, never claimed a benefit, worked last 6 years for a well known supermarket to become relief store manager for the region and last year graduated from uni with a first. He's lucky to get 20 hours work in any 1 week with supermarket so has been applying for proper full time jobs elsewhere as he has found the cost of living unbearable now. He has been advised to dumb down his cv to better his chances, how rediculous! The young are struggling too! Jonn

6:57pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Deanne100 says...

David Lacey wrote:
This report was NOT prepared by a reputable independent body. We don't have any details of the questions asked or how the research was carried out. It deserves to be binned. As I've said - there is NO genuine poverty in the UK. None.
David, what is 'genuine' poverty?
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: This report was NOT prepared by a reputable independent body. We don't have any details of the questions asked or how the research was carried out. It deserves to be binned. As I've said - there is NO genuine poverty in the UK. None.[/p][/quote]David, what is 'genuine' poverty? Deanne100

7:18pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sineater says...

Drainman, The present government are involved with these letters of pardon to i.r.a. members too.
Drainman, The present government are involved with these letters of pardon to i.r.a. members too. sineater

7:23pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sineater says...

The trouble with your idea Martinmo,is they have been reducing peoples pay,and they have been cutting benefits.People have never been able to get more out of work, than what workers got,but iff you want to believe what the tories tell you please your self but its not true.
The trouble with your idea Martinmo,is they have been reducing peoples pay,and they have been cutting benefits.People have never been able to get more out of work, than what workers got,but iff you want to believe what the tories tell you please your self but its not true. sineater

7:29pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sineater says...

Typical comment from you, Behonest, sh1t like you complain about people being lazy,and when they do well you still come on the sarky comment ,it doesn't matter though,he's earning more than you ever will so f**k off .
Typical comment from you, Behonest, sh1t like you complain about people being lazy,and when they do well you still come on the sarky comment ,it doesn't matter though,he's earning more than you ever will so f**k off . sineater

7:50pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Deanne100 says...

I really would like to know what people consider to be living 'in poverty'? I don't mean in figures but lifestyle? Some people are better than others at budgeting. Others may have credit/mortgages before being put on reduced hours or made redundant..... They may own a large TV, designer clothes, an iPad, mobile phone, a car etc. Are they expected to sell all of their 'so called' luxuries, making finding new employment extremely difficult, almost become destitute before being considered in need of benefits? Where is the line?
I really would like to know what people consider to be living 'in poverty'? I don't mean in figures but lifestyle? Some people are better than others at budgeting. Others may have credit/mortgages before being put on reduced hours or made redundant..... They may own a large TV, designer clothes, an iPad, mobile phone, a car etc. Are they expected to sell all of their 'so called' luxuries, making finding new employment extremely difficult, almost become destitute before being considered in need of benefits? Where is the line? Deanne100

8:29pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Voice-of-reality says...

Sineater,
Having missed out on the brains in the family, you obviously got the looks!!
VOR
Sineater, Having missed out on the brains in the family, you obviously got the looks!! VOR Voice-of-reality

10:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

behonest says...

Sineater, are you biting there, son? Typical Labour loony, likes to dish it out but can't take a joke in return.

Anyway, if he's your son and he's bringing in lots of money, it's probably from drugs.
Sineater, are you biting there, son? Typical Labour loony, likes to dish it out but can't take a joke in return. Anyway, if he's your son and he's bringing in lots of money, it's probably from drugs. behonest

11:10pm Thu 27 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

Deanne100 wrote:
I really would like to know what people consider to be living 'in poverty'? I don't mean in figures but lifestyle? Some people are better than others at budgeting. Others may have credit/mortgages before being put on reduced hours or made redundant..... They may own a large TV, designer clothes, an iPad, mobile phone, a car etc. Are they expected to sell all of their 'so called' luxuries, making finding new employment extremely difficult, almost become destitute before being considered in need of benefits? Where is the line?
When I was made redundant several years ago I took the following immediate actions -

Cancelled Sky Movies and Sports.
Stopped all consumption of alcohol (would have given up smoking if I had smoked).
Stopped all takeaway purchases.
Changed where we shopped for food and what we bought.
Considered selling the car (I didn't as found another job before I needed to).

I never had designer clothes to sell, nor any pets to feed as I did not consider I could afford these when I was working.

So I would expect most people in a similar situation to do without a similar list until their circumstances improved. I would also suggest that a small "safety fund" be established when circumstances improve before re-establishing items from the list - to provide a buffer should problems re-occur.
[quote][p][bold]Deanne100[/bold] wrote: I really would like to know what people consider to be living 'in poverty'? I don't mean in figures but lifestyle? Some people are better than others at budgeting. Others may have credit/mortgages before being put on reduced hours or made redundant..... They may own a large TV, designer clothes, an iPad, mobile phone, a car etc. Are they expected to sell all of their 'so called' luxuries, making finding new employment extremely difficult, almost become destitute before being considered in need of benefits? Where is the line?[/p][/quote]When I was made redundant several years ago I took the following immediate actions - Cancelled Sky Movies and Sports. Stopped all consumption of alcohol (would have given up smoking if I had smoked). Stopped all takeaway purchases. Changed where we shopped for food and what we bought. Considered selling the car (I didn't as found another job before I needed to). I never had designer clothes to sell, nor any pets to feed as I did not consider I could afford these when I was working. So I would expect most people in a similar situation to do without a similar list until their circumstances improved. I would also suggest that a small "safety fund" be established when circumstances improve before re-establishing items from the list - to provide a buffer should problems re-occur. DarloXman

8:33am Fri 28 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

Therein lays one of the issues Darloxman, You would expect to find those items in a household with a full time working income whilst a household who's only legal income is benefit support would be without......this is simply not the case. All I have to do is look at the tenant (housing benefit) renting the 3 bed semi attached to my home.

Single parent unemployed mother with a 17 year high school drop unemployed son.

Sky broadband and tv, 06 plate car in drive which is used everyday, 5 dogs, both regularily consuming alcohol, smoking (not just cigarettes). He owns a scrambler motor bike and always seems to be walking around in new clothes (mainly tracksuit). I am intrigued as to where all the money comes from as she should not be receiving benefits for him anymore and she definately is not looking for legal employment and happy to life at the expense of the tax payer.
Therein lays one of the issues Darloxman, You would expect to find those items in a household with a full time working income whilst a household who's only legal income is benefit support would be without......this is simply not the case. All I have to do is look at the tenant (housing benefit) renting the 3 bed semi attached to my home. Single parent unemployed mother with a 17 year high school drop unemployed son. Sky broadband and tv, 06 plate car in drive which is used everyday, 5 dogs, both regularily consuming alcohol, smoking (not just cigarettes). He owns a scrambler motor bike and always seems to be walking around in new clothes (mainly tracksuit). I am intrigued as to where all the money comes from as she should not be receiving benefits for him anymore and she definately is not looking for legal employment and happy to life at the expense of the tax payer. MartinMo

10:37am Fri 28 Feb 14

Deanne100 says...

MartinMo wrote:
Therein lays one of the issues Darloxman, You would expect to find those items in a household with a full time working income whilst a household who's only legal income is benefit support would be without......this is simply not the case. All I have to do is look at the tenant (housing benefit) renting the 3 bed semi attached to my home.

Single parent unemployed mother with a 17 year high school drop unemployed son.

Sky broadband and tv, 06 plate car in drive which is used everyday, 5 dogs, both regularily consuming alcohol, smoking (not just cigarettes). He owns a scrambler motor bike and always seems to be walking around in new clothes (mainly tracksuit). I am intrigued as to where all the money comes from as she should not be receiving benefits for him anymore and she definately is not looking for legal employment and happy to life at the expense of the tax payer.
Hi DarloXman

Here is my story which I am very reluctant to give as I suspect I will get a barrage of abuse....... I left the armed forces after 13 years service with every intention of continuing to place my daughter in the care of others whilst I went out to work. However, shortly afterwards, she was diagnosed with autism and I became her 'Carer'. She is now 15. Over the years, I have worked extremely hard to implement alternative therapies, and fight the system to get what my daughter needed. Not wanted but needed. She is now on target to get 8 GCSE's B/C grades and go on to 6th form. In junior school, we were told she would never progress beyond her then current level, which was low. The right school placement with good teaching staff really can make a difference. Over the years, I did many hours of voluntary work in the world of disability. I stopped working voluntary 12 months ago because the constant stress made me physically unwell, long term. You'd be amazed at the illness' 'stress' can bring on! :(

Over the years I inherited 2 sums of money which enabled me to pay some of my mortgage off and do some much needed repairs.

I run an 18 year old car which I really couldn't do without but I use it as little as possible because of the cost of fuel and keep the costs of wear and tear to a minimum. I cant afford to replace it We own a large tv which was donated to us by a charity that supports families with disabled children. We have virgin but only on Freeview. We have a laptop, again donated by a charity to support my daughters education. My daughter has an iPad which was a Christmas gift from a family member. My daughter gets the clothes that she needs, basics from the likes of Primark.

Now I am of the ilk that I look after all of our belongings. I own things that look much newer than they actually are eg, a leather suit which is 15 years old.

My point being, people looking at us, without knowing the facts, which I am very reluctant to explain, don't like what they see. So much so, I have been verbally abused many times and very recently, I was physically assauted.

MartinMo: How do you 'know' that your neighbour is on benefits? She may have won the lottery?! or simply in a position, without benefits' to not need to work.

I have a friend, who bought her house many years ago, her son is disabled. She has ME. She has recently been verbally abused by neighbours.

I feel the proganda is creating a hatred against all those that are on benefits without giving a full breakdown of the budget to show pensions, housing benefit, tax credits etc. I guess you all know that only 0.7% of those receiving benefits are fraudulent claims? Therefore, I wonder where this debate is going? What are the government hoping to achieve?
[quote][p][bold]MartinMo[/bold] wrote: Therein lays one of the issues Darloxman, You would expect to find those items in a household with a full time working income whilst a household who's only legal income is benefit support would be without......this is simply not the case. All I have to do is look at the tenant (housing benefit) renting the 3 bed semi attached to my home. Single parent unemployed mother with a 17 year high school drop unemployed son. Sky broadband and tv, 06 plate car in drive which is used everyday, 5 dogs, both regularily consuming alcohol, smoking (not just cigarettes). He owns a scrambler motor bike and always seems to be walking around in new clothes (mainly tracksuit). I am intrigued as to where all the money comes from as she should not be receiving benefits for him anymore and she definately is not looking for legal employment and happy to life at the expense of the tax payer.[/p][/quote]Hi DarloXman Here is my story which I am very reluctant to give as I suspect I will get a barrage of abuse....... I left the armed forces after 13 years service with every intention of continuing to place my daughter in the care of others whilst I went out to work. However, shortly afterwards, she was diagnosed with autism and I became her 'Carer'. She is now 15. Over the years, I have worked extremely hard to implement alternative therapies, and fight the system to get what my daughter needed. Not wanted but needed. She is now on target to get 8 GCSE's B/C grades and go on to 6th form. In junior school, we were told she would never progress beyond her then current level, which was low. The right school placement with good teaching staff really can make a difference. Over the years, I did many hours of voluntary work in the world of disability. I stopped working voluntary 12 months ago because the constant stress made me physically unwell, long term. You'd be amazed at the illness' 'stress' can bring on! :( Over the years I inherited 2 sums of money which enabled me to pay some of my mortgage off and do some much needed repairs. I run an 18 year old car which I really couldn't do without but I use it as little as possible because of the cost of fuel and keep the costs of wear and tear to a minimum. I cant afford to replace it We own a large tv which was donated to us by a charity that supports families with disabled children. We have virgin but only on Freeview. We have a laptop, again donated by a charity to support my daughters education. My daughter has an iPad which was a Christmas gift from a family member. My daughter gets the clothes that she needs, basics from the likes of Primark. Now I am of the ilk that I look after all of our belongings. I own things that look much newer than they actually are eg, a leather suit which is 15 years old. My point being, people looking at us, without knowing the facts, which I am very reluctant to explain, don't like what they see. So much so, I have been verbally abused many times and very recently, I was physically assauted. MartinMo: How do you 'know' that your neighbour is on benefits? She may have won the lottery?! or simply in a position, without benefits' to not need to work. I have a friend, who bought her house many years ago, her son is disabled. She has ME. She has recently been verbally abused by neighbours. I feel the proganda is creating a hatred against all those that are on benefits without giving a full breakdown of the budget to show pensions, housing benefit, tax credits etc. I guess you all know that only 0.7% of those receiving benefits are fraudulent claims? Therefore, I wonder where this debate is going? What are the government hoping to achieve? Deanne100

11:05am Fri 28 Feb 14

pedro55 says...

Just one more avoidable death via poverty brought about by this government's policies:
A "VULNERABLE and fragile" man starved to death four months after most of his benefits were stopped and he was left with just £40 a week to survive on.

Atos Healthcare – which assesses peoples’ ability to work on behalf of the Government’s Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) – ruled that 44-year-old Mark Wood, from Bampton, was fit to work.

But at an inquest into his death, Oxford Coroner's Court heard testimony that Mr Wood was far from fit to hold down a job.

Weighing just 5st 8lbs when he died of malnutrition in August last year, Mr Wood had obsessive compulsive disorder, Aspergers syndrome, phobias of food, pollution, paint fumes, and social situations, and cognitive behavioural problems.
Mr Wood had been receiving housing benefit, employment and support allowance, and disability living allowance of £40 a week and had been living independently since 2006.

But in January last year Atos Healthcare ruled that Mr Wood was healthy and able to work. Following its assessment, in about April last year, Mr Wood’s housing benefits and employment support allowance were stopped by the DWP, leaving just the disability allowance.

The inquest heard he was not able to pay his rent or utility bills.

http://www.oxfordmai
l.co.uk/news/1104337
8.Man_starved_after_
benefits_were_cut/
Just one more avoidable death via poverty brought about by this government's policies: A "VULNERABLE and fragile" man starved to death four months after most of his benefits were stopped and he was left with just £40 a week to survive on. Atos Healthcare – which assesses peoples’ ability to work on behalf of the Government’s Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) – ruled that 44-year-old Mark Wood, from Bampton, was fit to work. But at an inquest into his death, Oxford Coroner's Court heard testimony that Mr Wood was far from fit to hold down a job. Weighing just 5st 8lbs when he died of malnutrition in August last year, Mr Wood had obsessive compulsive disorder, Aspergers syndrome, phobias of food, pollution, paint fumes, and social situations, and cognitive behavioural problems. Mr Wood had been receiving housing benefit, employment and support allowance, and disability living allowance of £40 a week and had been living independently since 2006. But in January last year Atos Healthcare ruled that Mr Wood was healthy and able to work. Following its assessment, in about April last year, Mr Wood’s housing benefits and employment support allowance were stopped by the DWP, leaving just the disability allowance. The inquest heard he was not able to pay his rent or utility bills. http://www.oxfordmai l.co.uk/news/1104337 8.Man_starved_after_ benefits_were_cut/ pedro55

11:23am Fri 28 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

Hi Deanne,

Thank you for being brave in sharing your circumstances and well done for the progress your daughter has made - I hope that it continues.

There are several elements of your story that you have not included - your partner (your child's other parent) for example, and what financial contribution to your household they make?

That said, I am sure most people would agree with me that someone in your situation needs support from the state - which is sounds like you have been getting. It also sounds like you are managing your situation prudently and that whilst things may be very tight/difficult you do not sound to be living in the 'poverty' of what I remember of my childhood.

The problem is that there are many examples of people who are in receipt of a range of benefits who by choice I would not want to support - this is not just the 0.7% of fraudulent claimants you mention, but also those who despite being able choose not to work as well as those that choose to spend the money given to them unwisely (on the list of items that I suggest above) and then moan that they have insufficient for the essentials! Some suggest these people do not exist - but unfortunately they do - I am aware of many myself. My comments have never been directed towards all benefit claimants - I have claimed benefits myself for short periods as well as other members of my family - but against those I mention who by their own choices expect others to continuously provide for them.

This article is about poverty, suggesting that UK society is prepared to let millions (thousands in Darlington) of it's inhabitants live in poverty - well as others have commented I do not think this is true. There is sufficient support available that no-one in the UK should be living in "absolute" poverty - the problem is that some choose to do so and then blame others for their plight.

Good luck for the future with your daughter's education.
Hi Deanne, Thank you for being brave in sharing your circumstances and well done for the progress your daughter has made - I hope that it continues. There are several elements of your story that you have not included - your partner (your child's other parent) for example, and what financial contribution to your household they make? That said, I am sure most people would agree with me that someone in your situation needs support from the state - which is sounds like you have been getting. It also sounds like you are managing your situation prudently and that whilst things may be very tight/difficult you do not sound to be living in the 'poverty' of what I remember of my childhood. The problem is that there are many examples of people who are in receipt of a range of benefits who by choice I would not want to support - this is not just the 0.7% of fraudulent claimants you mention, but also those who despite being able choose not to work as well as those that choose to spend the money given to them unwisely (on the list of items that I suggest above) and then moan that they have insufficient for the essentials! Some suggest these people do not exist - but unfortunately they do - I am aware of many myself. My comments have never been directed towards all benefit claimants - I have claimed benefits myself for short periods as well as other members of my family - but against those I mention who by their own choices expect others to continuously provide for them. This article is about poverty, suggesting that UK society is prepared to let millions (thousands in Darlington) of it's inhabitants live in poverty - well as others have commented I do not think this is true. There is sufficient support available that no-one in the UK should be living in "absolute" poverty - the problem is that some choose to do so and then blame others for their plight. Good luck for the future with your daughter's education. DarloXman

11:39am Fri 28 Feb 14

pedro55 says...

Hi DarloXman,
the most recent example of someone dying in dire poverty is above, that poor soul is just of how many we do not know as the government have stopped collecting those statistics. However there were over 10,000 up to 2012 who died after being found fit for work and/or having benefits stopped.
Hi DarloXman, the most recent example of someone dying in dire poverty is above, that poor soul is just of how many we do not know as the government have stopped collecting those statistics. However there were over 10,000 up to 2012 who died after being found fit for work and/or having benefits stopped. pedro55

11:41am Fri 28 Feb 14

pedro55 says...

The latest news today concerns sanctioning those in low paid work...In breath-takingly savage news, it has been reported that the DWP plans to stop Housing Benefit payments to low paid part time workers if they fail to carry out ‘work related activity’.

When Universal Credit is finally introduced, those earning less than the equivalent of the minimum wage for 35 hours a week will be forced to constantly look for more or better paid work to qualify for in-work benefits such as Tax Credits and Housing Benefit. Part time workers could face being sent on workfare in the hours they are not at work and will have to prove to Jobcentre busybodies that they are constantly looking for another, better paid job.
The latest news today concerns sanctioning those in low paid work...In breath-takingly savage news, it has been reported that the DWP plans to stop Housing Benefit payments to low paid part time workers if they fail to carry out ‘work related activity’. When Universal Credit is finally introduced, those earning less than the equivalent of the minimum wage for 35 hours a week will be forced to constantly look for more or better paid work to qualify for in-work benefits such as Tax Credits and Housing Benefit. Part time workers could face being sent on workfare in the hours they are not at work and will have to prove to Jobcentre busybodies that they are constantly looking for another, better paid job. pedro55

11:46am Fri 28 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

pedro55 wrote:
Hi DarloXman,
the most recent example of someone dying in dire poverty is above, that poor soul is just of how many we do not know as the government have stopped collecting those statistics. However there were over 10,000 up to 2012 who died after being found fit for work and/or having benefits stopped.
I've read the story and would suggest that he was clearly very troubled and was failed by many organisations as well as by his family.

If there were 10,000 such deaths in 2012 can you please provide more links to support that claim?
[quote][p][bold]pedro55[/bold] wrote: Hi DarloXman, the most recent example of someone dying in dire poverty is above, that poor soul is just of how many we do not know as the government have stopped collecting those statistics. However there were over 10,000 up to 2012 who died after being found fit for work and/or having benefits stopped.[/p][/quote]I've read the story and would suggest that he was clearly very troubled and was failed by many organisations as well as by his family. If there were 10,000 such deaths in 2012 can you please provide more links to support that claim? DarloXman

11:50am Fri 28 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

pedro55 wrote:
The latest news today concerns sanctioning those in low paid work...In breath-takingly savage news, it has been reported that the DWP plans to stop Housing Benefit payments to low paid part time workers if they fail to carry out ‘work related activity’.

When Universal Credit is finally introduced, those earning less than the equivalent of the minimum wage for 35 hours a week will be forced to constantly look for more or better paid work to qualify for in-work benefits such as Tax Credits and Housing Benefit. Part time workers could face being sent on workfare in the hours they are not at work and will have to prove to Jobcentre busybodies that they are constantly looking for another, better paid job.
I've not seen this story but one problem I guess it is trying to address is those who refuse to work more than 16 hours per week as their benefits would be reduced if they did.

I have seen this first hand when staff refused overtime at premium rates of pay when the business was desperate for additional labour to meet some short term large orders and several staff refused the additional work despite being able to do so as quote - "I'm not going to work for nothing!"
[quote][p][bold]pedro55[/bold] wrote: The latest news today concerns sanctioning those in low paid work...In breath-takingly savage news, it has been reported that the DWP plans to stop Housing Benefit payments to low paid part time workers if they fail to carry out ‘work related activity’. When Universal Credit is finally introduced, those earning less than the equivalent of the minimum wage for 35 hours a week will be forced to constantly look for more or better paid work to qualify for in-work benefits such as Tax Credits and Housing Benefit. Part time workers could face being sent on workfare in the hours they are not at work and will have to prove to Jobcentre busybodies that they are constantly looking for another, better paid job.[/p][/quote]I've not seen this story but one problem I guess it is trying to address is those who refuse to work more than 16 hours per week as their benefits would be reduced if they did. I have seen this first hand when staff refused overtime at premium rates of pay when the business was desperate for additional labour to meet some short term large orders and several staff refused the additional work despite being able to do so as quote - "I'm not going to work for nothing!" DarloXman

12:52pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Deanne100 says...

DarloXman wrote:
Hi Deanne,

Thank you for being brave in sharing your circumstances and well done for the progress your daughter has made - I hope that it continues.

There are several elements of your story that you have not included - your partner (your child's other parent) for example, and what financial contribution to your household they make?

That said, I am sure most people would agree with me that someone in your situation needs support from the state - which is sounds like you have been getting. It also sounds like you are managing your situation prudently and that whilst things may be very tight/difficult you do not sound to be living in the 'poverty' of what I remember of my childhood.

The problem is that there are many examples of people who are in receipt of a range of benefits who by choice I would not want to support - this is not just the 0.7% of fraudulent claimants you mention, but also those who despite being able choose not to work as well as those that choose to spend the money given to them unwisely (on the list of items that I suggest above) and then moan that they have insufficient for the essentials! Some suggest these people do not exist - but unfortunately they do - I am aware of many myself. My comments have never been directed towards all benefit claimants - I have claimed benefits myself for short periods as well as other members of my family - but against those I mention who by their own choices expect others to continuously provide for them.

This article is about poverty, suggesting that UK society is prepared to let millions (thousands in Darlington) of it's inhabitants live in poverty - well as others have commented I do not think this is true. There is sufficient support available that no-one in the UK should be living in "absolute" poverty - the problem is that some choose to do so and then blame others for their plight.

Good luck for the future with your daughter's education.
Thank you DarloXman :)
Firstly, my daughters father has had no wish to be part of her life or contribute. The CSA failed for many years until recent months to get a contribution. I now save the pitiful amount to help with costs attached to my daughters further education.

We have been getting support from the state which I absolutely abhor. I earned my own money from a young age starting with Carol singing (age 7) to earn money to buy Christmas presents. I then pulled carrots (age 12), babysat up to 6 evenings a week (AGE 12 - 16), followed by many catering jobs on top of studying full time for 4 years before I joined the armed forces. I did all of this, without support from anyone. I learned to live on an extremely tight budget. These skills have enabled me to manage over recent years, where others, i suspect. could not.

I appreciate and I quote 'The problem is that there are many examples of people who are in receipt of a range of benefits who by choice I would not want to support - this is not just the 0.7% of fraudulent claimants you mention, but also those who despite being able choose not to work as well as those that choose to spend the money given to them unwisely (on the list of items that I suggest above) and then moan that they have insufficient for the essentials!' ........ I appreciate your point, I really do but in my eyes, I am seeing people who are less educated, or simply like to absorb the propaganda without researching the inbuilt bias, become hateful both verbally and physically towards families in similar situations as I 'find', not 'created', myself in.

I guess that my point is that: the government have put out there, in many forms, a lot of propaganda that is creating a lot of ill feeling from those that work towards those that claim benefits, regardless of their situation. As Pedro55 said above, many people are dying due to the system failing them. I have seen similar figures myself. I think they can be found on the 'Working Benefits' site. Hate crime towards people with invisible disabilities, I know is on the increase. We all, can sit in judgement, without absolute facts of what we can see, but what can we actually do? Where will this end?

All the above aside, my job over the coming weeks, other than directly and indirectly supporting my daughter is to learn the latest education law to try and ensure she is appropriately supported in her further education. Be your own child's carer can be very stressful. Their whole life, and future is in your hands. People looking from the outside in, can't/won't see that :(
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: Hi Deanne, Thank you for being brave in sharing your circumstances and well done for the progress your daughter has made - I hope that it continues. There are several elements of your story that you have not included - your partner (your child's other parent) for example, and what financial contribution to your household they make? That said, I am sure most people would agree with me that someone in your situation needs support from the state - which is sounds like you have been getting. It also sounds like you are managing your situation prudently and that whilst things may be very tight/difficult you do not sound to be living in the 'poverty' of what I remember of my childhood. The problem is that there are many examples of people who are in receipt of a range of benefits who by choice I would not want to support - this is not just the 0.7% of fraudulent claimants you mention, but also those who despite being able choose not to work as well as those that choose to spend the money given to them unwisely (on the list of items that I suggest above) and then moan that they have insufficient for the essentials! Some suggest these people do not exist - but unfortunately they do - I am aware of many myself. My comments have never been directed towards all benefit claimants - I have claimed benefits myself for short periods as well as other members of my family - but against those I mention who by their own choices expect others to continuously provide for them. This article is about poverty, suggesting that UK society is prepared to let millions (thousands in Darlington) of it's inhabitants live in poverty - well as others have commented I do not think this is true. There is sufficient support available that no-one in the UK should be living in "absolute" poverty - the problem is that some choose to do so and then blame others for their plight. Good luck for the future with your daughter's education.[/p][/quote]Thank you DarloXman :) Firstly, my daughters father has had no wish to be part of her life or contribute. The CSA failed for many years until recent months to get a contribution. I now save the pitiful amount to help with costs attached to my daughters further education. We have been getting support from the state which I absolutely abhor. I earned my own money from a young age starting with Carol singing (age 7) to earn money to buy Christmas presents. I then pulled carrots (age 12), babysat up to 6 evenings a week (AGE 12 - 16), followed by many catering jobs on top of studying full time for 4 years before I joined the armed forces. I did all of this, without support from anyone. I learned to live on an extremely tight budget. These skills have enabled me to manage over recent years, where others, i suspect. could not. I appreciate and I quote 'The problem is that there are many examples of people who are in receipt of a range of benefits who by choice I would not want to support - this is not just the 0.7% of fraudulent claimants you mention, but also those who despite being able choose not to work as well as those that choose to spend the money given to them unwisely (on the list of items that I suggest above) and then moan that they have insufficient for the essentials!' ........ I appreciate your point, I really do but in my eyes, I am seeing people who are less educated, or simply like to absorb the propaganda without researching the inbuilt bias, become hateful both verbally and physically towards families in similar situations as I 'find', not 'created', myself in. I guess that my point is that: the government have put out there, in many forms, a lot of propaganda that is creating a lot of ill feeling from those that work towards those that claim benefits, regardless of their situation. As Pedro55 said above, many people are dying due to the system failing them. I have seen similar figures myself. I think they can be found on the 'Working Benefits' site. Hate crime towards people with invisible disabilities, I know is on the increase. We all, can sit in judgement, without absolute facts of what we can see, but what can we actually do? Where will this end? All the above aside, my job over the coming weeks, other than directly and indirectly supporting my daughter is to learn the latest education law to try and ensure she is appropriately supported in her further education. Be your own child's carer can be very stressful. Their whole life, and future is in your hands. People looking from the outside in, can't/won't see that :( Deanne100

12:53pm Fri 28 Feb 14

pedro55 says...

the above article mentions those working 35+ hours but low pay means they are eligible to claim tax credits and/or housing benefit. The problem there would seem to be low pay not unwillingness to work.

The Mirror received following from an Freedom of Information request of 16 February 2012. Which asked: Can you please provide me with the number of ESA claimants who have died in 2011? with the bottom line being 32 die a week after failing test for new incapacity benefit..(i.e. being found fit work)
http://blogs.mirror.
co.uk/investigations
/2012/04/32-die-a-we
ek-after-failing-in.
html
the above article mentions those working 35+ hours but low pay means they are eligible to claim tax credits and/or housing benefit. The problem there would seem to be low pay not unwillingness to work. The Mirror received following from an Freedom of Information request of 16 February 2012. Which asked: Can you please provide me with the number of ESA claimants who have died in 2011? with the bottom line being 32 die a week after failing test for new incapacity benefit..(i.e. being found fit work) http://blogs.mirror. co.uk/investigations /2012/04/32-die-a-we ek-after-failing-in. html pedro55

1:05pm Fri 28 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Poverty ?. Every time I go to the ocal Supermarket. The Supermarket and Car Parks are PACKED with Shoppers and Cars. ***Betting Shops, Pubs, 'Burger Bars,' are PACKED and top-heavy with punters. Everybody nearly are talking to each other on mobile phones (some only fifty yards away would you believe). 'Long term workshy Benefit' Punters covered with 'expensive tatooe's, most also with 'Mobile Phones and cars',, a cigarette rarely out of their mouths.. ........So is this the NEW definition of so called Poverty.....Pull the other leg its got bells on.
Poverty ?. Every time I go to the ocal Supermarket. The Supermarket and Car Parks are PACKED with Shoppers and Cars. ***Betting Shops, Pubs, 'Burger Bars,' are PACKED and top-heavy with punters. Everybody nearly are talking to each other on mobile phones (some only fifty yards away would you believe). 'Long term workshy Benefit' Punters covered with 'expensive tatooe's, most also with 'Mobile Phones and cars',, a cigarette rarely out of their mouths.. ........So is this the NEW definition of so called Poverty.....Pull the other leg its got bells on. cushybutterfield

2:29pm Fri 28 Feb 14

sineater says...

I see now behonest ,a joke ha ha ha ,you should be on stage,preferably with a rope around your neck !! drugs don't need them the heady atmosphere from the debate on these pages is all I need to get high------don't worry I can take all the abuse midget brains can dish out ,keep it coming .
I see now behonest ,a joke ha ha ha ,you should be on stage,preferably with a rope around your neck !! drugs don't need them the heady atmosphere from the debate on these pages is all I need to get high------don't worry I can take all the abuse midget brains can dish out ,keep it coming . sineater

4:06pm Fri 28 Feb 14

MartinMo says...

Deanne100

She is my neighbour and we do talk, it's not the individuals I hold a grudge against, it's the, in many cases, attitude towards work from those all to happy to live in the benfit culture and then claim

If you don't want to work for the luxuries in life then you should not have......unless there is another legal way of acquiring these.

You should take care of family and people close to you before you worry about helping others..........you obviously see the importance of this in your circumstance as do I. My problem is though is that I am not a high earner and have even less from my salary after taxation which is pumped into systems to help others making it harder for me to look after those closest to me.
Deanne100 She is my neighbour and we do talk, it's not the individuals I hold a grudge against, it's the, in many cases, attitude towards work from those all to happy to live in the benfit culture and then claim If you don't want to work for the luxuries in life then you should not have......unless there is another legal way of acquiring these. You should take care of family and people close to you before you worry about helping others..........you obviously see the importance of this in your circumstance as do I. My problem is though is that I am not a high earner and have even less from my salary after taxation which is pumped into systems to help others making it harder for me to look after those closest to me. MartinMo

5:36pm Fri 28 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Sineater......I thought you had grown up a little verbally, however I was wrong. You still have 'Spit out your dummy- relapses' and resort to a degree of personal abuse. As regards Poverty in Britain in general. We have 'armies' of benefit longterm workshy who refuse point blank to do any work, on £25,OOO, £3O,OOO, £4O,OOO, £5O,OOO, £6O,OOO, £7O,OOO and some even up to a *****Million (some with up to 15 Kids different fathers), per annum in 'Free State Benefits' paid for by the poor 'Mug' Working British Taxpayer. So obviously this also is a NEW defenition of so called poverty. A load of looney politically correct left wing,.......... codswallop pull BOTH legs they BOTH have bells on, attached to 'Giro Cheques'..
Sineater......I thought you had grown up a little verbally, however I was wrong. You still have 'Spit out your dummy- relapses' and resort to a degree of personal abuse. As regards Poverty in Britain in general. We have 'armies' of benefit longterm workshy who refuse point blank to do any work, on £25,OOO, £3O,OOO, £4O,OOO, £5O,OOO, £6O,OOO, £7O,OOO and some even up to a *****Million (some with up to 15 Kids different fathers), per annum in 'Free State Benefits' paid for by the poor 'Mug' Working British Taxpayer. So obviously this also is a NEW defenition of so called poverty. A load of looney politically correct left wing,.......... codswallop pull BOTH legs they BOTH have bells on, attached to 'Giro Cheques'.. cushybutterfield

8:20pm Fri 28 Feb 14

pedro55 says...

Punishing Poverty is a report published last week by Citizens Advice and which is based on a national survey of those who have had benefits stopped or sanctioned for not meeting the endless ‘work related activity’ conditions imposed by Jobcentres. Hundreds of thousands of claimants have faced sanctions varying in length between four weeks and up to three years. These sanctions are often imposed for the most trivial of reasons and as this report exposes, quite often for circumstances that are entirely beyond the claimant’s control. It is not just unemployed claimants who face sanctions, but increasingly sick and disabled people and single parents with children over the age of five.
The results of the survey portray a truly horrific account of the destitution and human misery that this regime has inflicted on people. Stories of families ripped apart, pregnant women left without food, those with dietary needs due to health conditions becoming sick, mental health deteriorating, suicide attempts and people forced to beg or go through bins to find food.
These stories are not the inevitable consequence of economic crisis, the UK is still one of the richest countries in the world. They are not even the necessary end result of austerity, belt-tightening can take place without the poor being driven into the ground. Benefit sanctions barely save the tax payer a penny such is the cost of policing and administering the system.
As the Citizens Advice report reveals you do not even have to be guilty to face a sanction. There are countless tales of benefits being stopped due to a mistake by the Jobcentre, or because a claimant faced unavoidable circumstances such as travel delays, hospital appointments and even job interviews which caused them to be late to an appointment with their advisor. It is the widespread, seemingly haphazard nature of the regime which forces all claimants into a state of perpetual fear. The threat of the dreaded brown envelope through the door from the DWP is a feature of life on all benefits, a daily reminder that you are only ever a heartbeat away from complete destitution.
The report states that sanctions should only be used as a ‘last resort’, as if the horror show they’ve just revealed is acceptable in some cases. Few would argue against an administrative check. But beyond that, benefit sanctions must be brought to an immediate end with no exceptions.
The welfare state is not a political weapon to stigmatise or scapegoat people, force down wages and pursue a work makes you free ideology. It should exist as the opposite, to empower, provide dignity and even act as a force against poverty pay – saying to grasping employers that there is an alternative for people if all you’ve got to offer is **** wages.
The full report can be downloaded at: http://sdrv.ms/1c48E
Cq
and a full reasoning can be read at: https://johnnyvoid.w
ordpress.com/2013/10
/27/benefit-sanction
s-are-state-terroris
m-and-must-be-stoppe
d-without-exceptions
/
Punishing Poverty is a report published last week by Citizens Advice and which is based on a national survey of those who have had benefits stopped or sanctioned for not meeting the endless ‘work related activity’ conditions imposed by Jobcentres. Hundreds of thousands of claimants have faced sanctions varying in length between four weeks and up to three years. These sanctions are often imposed for the most trivial of reasons and as this report exposes, quite often for circumstances that are entirely beyond the claimant’s control. It is not just unemployed claimants who face sanctions, but increasingly sick and disabled people and single parents with children over the age of five. The results of the survey portray a truly horrific account of the destitution and human misery that this regime has inflicted on people. Stories of families ripped apart, pregnant women left without food, those with dietary needs due to health conditions becoming sick, mental health deteriorating, suicide attempts and people forced to beg or go through bins to find food. These stories are not the inevitable consequence of economic crisis, the UK is still one of the richest countries in the world. They are not even the necessary end result of austerity, belt-tightening can take place without the poor being driven into the ground. Benefit sanctions barely save the tax payer a penny such is the cost of policing and administering the system. As the Citizens Advice report reveals you do not even have to be guilty to face a sanction. There are countless tales of benefits being stopped due to a mistake by the Jobcentre, or because a claimant faced unavoidable circumstances such as travel delays, hospital appointments and even job interviews which caused them to be late to an appointment with their advisor. It is the widespread, seemingly haphazard nature of the regime which forces all claimants into a state of perpetual fear. The threat of the dreaded brown envelope through the door from the DWP is a feature of life on all benefits, a daily reminder that you are only ever a heartbeat away from complete destitution. The report states that sanctions should only be used as a ‘last resort’, as if the horror show they’ve just revealed is acceptable in some cases. Few would argue against an administrative check. But beyond that, benefit sanctions must be brought to an immediate end with no exceptions. The welfare state is not a political weapon to stigmatise or scapegoat people, force down wages and pursue a work makes you free ideology. It should exist as the opposite, to empower, provide dignity and even act as a force against poverty pay – saying to grasping employers that there is an alternative for people if all you’ve got to offer is **** wages. The full report can be downloaded at: http://sdrv.ms/1c48E Cq and a full reasoning can be read at: https://johnnyvoid.w ordpress.com/2013/10 /27/benefit-sanction s-are-state-terroris m-and-must-be-stoppe d-without-exceptions / pedro55

10:15pm Fri 28 Feb 14

spragger says...

One thing for sure it suits Labour to keep the people in 'poverty'. From there they can be controlled
- You can see that by the glass half empty comments in this paper. So few prepared to find a job, so many expecting others to pay
One thing for sure it suits Labour to keep the people in 'poverty'. From there they can be controlled - You can see that by the glass half empty comments in this paper. So few prepared to find a job, so many expecting others to pay spragger

2:43am Sat 1 Mar 14

moodymanda says...

i would like to no how bad poverty is in bishop auckland cos its hit me and my family badly this goverment must think we can all live on fresh air i bet they couldnt last a week on benifits
i would like to no how bad poverty is in bishop auckland cos its hit me and my family badly this goverment must think we can all live on fresh air i bet they couldnt last a week on benifits moodymanda

1:16pm Sat 1 Mar 14

David Lacey says...

No Manda - go get work and pay your bills.
No Manda - go get work and pay your bills. David Lacey

6:07pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Jonn says...

spragger wrote:
One thing for sure it suits Labour to keep the people in 'poverty'. From there they can be controlled
- You can see that by the glass half empty comments in this paper. So few prepared to find a job, so many expecting others to pay
So only a Labour Government like to control the people? You talk nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: One thing for sure it suits Labour to keep the people in 'poverty'. From there they can be controlled - You can see that by the glass half empty comments in this paper. So few prepared to find a job, so many expecting others to pay[/p][/quote]So only a Labour Government like to control the people? You talk nonsense. Jonn

9:04am Sun 2 Mar 14

laboursfoe says...

sineater wrote:
SPRAGGER iT'S THIS GOVERNMENT THAT CUT BENEFITS AND PEOPLES PAY YOU THICK W**K, GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE A--------AGAIN !!!!
The government cut wages??? When??
Have you looked at the tax personal allowance in the last 4 years??!!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: SPRAGGER iT'S THIS GOVERNMENT THAT CUT BENEFITS AND PEOPLES PAY YOU THICK W**K, GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE A--------AGAIN !!!![/p][/quote]The government cut wages??? When?? Have you looked at the tax personal allowance in the last 4 years??!! laboursfoe

12:26pm Sun 2 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

sineater wrote:
SPRAGGER iT'S THIS GOVERNMENT THAT CUT BENEFITS AND PEOPLES PAY YOU THICK W**K, GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE A--------AGAIN !!!!
Anybody got an idea what a "W**K" is? I can get "work" but don't think it's a word in Sineater's vocabulary.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: SPRAGGER iT'S THIS GOVERNMENT THAT CUT BENEFITS AND PEOPLES PAY YOU THICK W**K, GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE A--------AGAIN !!!![/p][/quote]Anybody got an idea what a "W**K" is? I can get "work" but don't think it's a word in Sineater's vocabulary. johnny_p

12:33pm Sun 2 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

johnny_p wrote:
sineater wrote:
SPRAGGER iT'S THIS GOVERNMENT THAT CUT BENEFITS AND PEOPLES PAY YOU THICK W**K, GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE A--------AGAIN !!!!
Anybody got an idea what a "W**K" is? I can get "work" but don't think it's a word in Sineater's vocabulary.
Aaaaaah. Hang on. you can add "an" and then the suffix "er". That works.

Please don't go on Countdown Sineater.
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: SPRAGGER iT'S THIS GOVERNMENT THAT CUT BENEFITS AND PEOPLES PAY YOU THICK W**K, GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE A--------AGAIN !!!![/p][/quote]Anybody got an idea what a "W**K" is? I can get "work" but don't think it's a word in Sineater's vocabulary.[/p][/quote]Aaaaaah. Hang on. you can add "an" and then the suffix "er". That works. Please don't go on Countdown Sineater. johnny_p

3:33pm Sun 2 Mar 14

sineater says...

Is that your favourite programme Jonny ,explains a lot !!I keep forgetting about things like spelling e.t.c. when I see such ignorant comments from idiots like you and Spragger .
Is that your favourite programme Jonny ,explains a lot !!I keep forgetting about things like spelling e.t.c. when I see such ignorant comments from idiots like you and Spragger . sineater

9:03pm Sun 2 Mar 14

spragger says...

The truth hurts eh eater of sin?
The truth hurts eh eater of sin? spragger

1:52pm Mon 3 Mar 14

johnny_p says...

spragger wrote:
The truth hurts eh eater of sin?
Sorry Spragger. You've got it wrong too, but only because of his spelling.

It's not as in "eater of sin" but intended to be Sinitta as in "so macho, cross my broken heart and toy boy". Surely?

My only question is what has a 1980's Pop singer got to do with ultra left wing nonsense rambling?
[quote][p][bold]spragger[/bold] wrote: The truth hurts eh eater of sin?[/p][/quote]Sorry Spragger. You've got it wrong too, but only because of his spelling. It's not as in "eater of sin" but intended to be Sinitta as in "so macho, cross my broken heart and toy boy". Surely? My only question is what has a 1980's Pop singer got to do with ultra left wing nonsense rambling? johnny_p

3:02pm Mon 3 Mar 14

MartinMo says...

Pedro55

"force against poverty"

Regardless of surveys/ reports, the only forces against poverty are work and charity.

Work: Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something, especially as an occupation or undertaking; a duty or task.

Charity: The practice of benevolent giving and caring, often carried out freely in an attempt to help those in need.

Apparently it's not fair to force someone into work who is fully capable but yet those who willingly work are forced to pay into a charity which off sets the cost of the benefits claimed by those whom don't.............ha
rdly a fair system.
Pedro55 "force against poverty" Regardless of surveys/ reports, the only forces against poverty are work and charity. Work: Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something, especially as an occupation or undertaking; a duty or task. Charity: The practice of benevolent giving and caring, often carried out freely in an attempt to help those in need. Apparently it's not fair to force someone into work who is fully capable but yet those who willingly work are forced to pay into a charity which off sets the cost of the benefits claimed by those whom don't.............ha rdly a fair system. MartinMo

3:21pm Mon 3 Mar 14

sineater says...

Jonny your both wrong ,I told you how thick you are, try looking it up !!
Jonny your both wrong ,I told you how thick you are, try looking it up !! sineater

3:25pm Mon 3 Mar 14

sineater says...

Jonny You don't really want me to explain what w**K means do you, it's what your neighbors probably call you behind your back !!!
Jonny You don't really want me to explain what w**K means do you, it's what your neighbors probably call you behind your back !!! sineater

3:29pm Mon 3 Mar 14

sineater says...

Actually scratch that about Spragger being wrong ,he is nearly right but I think he is still to dim to figure it ouit properly,thats the reason I picked it ,right wing thicko's !!
Actually scratch that about Spragger being wrong ,he is nearly right but I think he is still to dim to figure it ouit properly,thats the reason I picked it ,right wing thicko's !! sineater

3:52pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Red rose lad says...

Hi Loopy. When the carer puts your jacket on in the morning, do the sleeves tie around the back? People will excuse the poor spelling,grammar and drivel if they know you're typing with your nose. PS - I solved the countdown conundrum of Sineater but it won't resinate with you.
Hi Loopy. When the carer puts your jacket on in the morning, do the sleeves tie around the back? People will excuse the poor spelling,grammar and drivel if they know you're typing with your nose. PS - I solved the countdown conundrum of Sineater but it won't resinate with you. Red rose lad

3:54pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Deanne100 says...

It is quite sad to see what started off as a mature debate become a slandering match :(
It is quite sad to see what started off as a mature debate become a slandering match :( Deanne100

6:03pm Mon 3 Mar 14

sineater says...

Red rose lad look it up on google iff you want to know what it means I wish I could excuse the drivel that comes from the government ,like cutting benefits so far that people can't afford to eat,then the government have to give councils money to support food banks ,even their own party have told them to stop these brutal cuts ,now iff all you've got is insults fcuk off .
Red rose lad look it up on google iff you want to know what it means I wish I could excuse the drivel that comes from the government ,like cutting benefits so far that people can't afford to eat,then the government have to give councils money to support food banks ,even their own party have told them to stop these brutal cuts ,now iff all you've got is insults fcuk off . sineater

6:34pm Mon 3 Mar 14

theWorkerScum says...

Sineater you such a rude person, every comment you make is filled with hatred and profanity. You obviously have no friends in life with your nasty attitude and flippant comments. You probably won't understand most of this but I'm not coming down to your level of language for your sake.
Sineater you such a rude person, every comment you make is filled with hatred and profanity. You obviously have no friends in life with your nasty attitude and flippant comments. You probably won't understand most of this but I'm not coming down to your level of language for your sake. theWorkerScum

6:44pm Mon 3 Mar 14

pedro55 says...

Back on topic ..In 2011/12, 10,600 people died within just 3 months of being found "fit for work" by the DWP. Since then, they've refused to publish further statistics at all.
Back on topic ..In 2011/12, 10,600 people died within just 3 months of being found "fit for work" by the DWP. Since then, they've refused to publish further statistics at all. pedro55

6:51pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Deanne100 says...

Hi Pedro. It's nice to have the debate back on track :) I don't feel that I can air my thoughts here for fear of being arrested lol. Freedom of speech? Ha. Even that is being eroded away!!!!! What I am willing to say is, I do not trust the people in power on iota!
Hi Pedro. It's nice to have the debate back on track :) I don't feel that I can air my thoughts here for fear of being arrested lol. Freedom of speech? Ha. Even that is being eroded away!!!!! What I am willing to say is, I do not trust the people in power on iota! Deanne100

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree