Delays are 'inevitable' during work on Darlington's inner ring road for £3.7m improvement project

Darlington and Stockton Times: The Stonebridge roundabout as it looks today The Stonebridge roundabout as it looks today

WORK to replace a congested town centre roundabout with a traffic light junction in a multi-million pound scheme will begin this week.

Highways bosses at Darlington Borough Council have warned that delays for motorists are inevitable during the work on the Darlington inner ring road, which is expected to take up to a year.

The 1970s-built Stonebridge roundabout, often the cause of delays for many motorists, will be replaced with a light-controlled junction to improve the flow of traffic around the town centre.

A number of other changes will be made to the inner ring road as part of the £3.7m scheme, funded by the Department for Transport as part of the Tees Valley Bus Improvement Project, including additional lanes, filter lanes and changes to pedestrian access.

Dave Winstanley, Darlington Borough Council’s assistant director for highways, said every effort would be made to minimise disruption for motorist but that some delays would be inevitable.

The work will be completed with lane closures in small sections along the carriageway, with the first stage of the work starting on Monday, February 17.

The improvements to Stonebridge and the inner ring road are considered necessary due to the strain on the network and the expectation of added pressure once a proposed cinema development in Feethams and the new Department for Education building are complete.

Mr Winstanley said: “We’ve split the work down into a number of phases. There will be disruption and we are doing our best to minimise that by breaking the work down.

“We will close certain lanes at different times and when we take out the roundabout itself, people might have to travel around the other two roundabouts to change direction.

“The scheme is about managing congestion – what’s happening now, everyone can see, is that the roundabout is failing, it causes gridlock.

“What we are trying to do is manage that congestion to give each motorist the chance to get through the junction. There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through.

“The traffic is not going to go away but the current set-up just does not work at all.”

The council has set up a dedicated webpage at darlington.gov.uk/Transport/Stonebridge.htm to keep road users updates on the scheme.

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8:00am Mon 10 Feb 14

harry2 says...

Oh dear I read that headline wrong thought they were predicting delays on the work before it even starts
Oh dear I read that headline wrong thought they were predicting delays on the work before it even starts harry2
  • Score: 0

8:25am Mon 10 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

If the job is done properly there should be lane rental agreements in place to make sure contractors are penalised for delays and rewarded for doing the job quickly.
If the job is done properly there should be lane rental agreements in place to make sure contractors are penalised for delays and rewarded for doing the job quickly. Homshaw1
  • Score: 20

9:56am Mon 10 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

The roads in this town run as smoothly as the council does. They are also in a shocking condition - much like the council.

This project is a complete and utter waste of millions of pounds of tax payers money - AGAIN!

There are delays now. There will be huge delays and disruption when the 'work' is underway. And there will be massive delays when It is completed. the problem Is the councils attitude towards motorists. Deliberately placing restrictions all over town (except the more affluent ares I might add - what is that all about?)

This will be another Haughton Road shambles - over budget - over run and will further blight the lives of anyone who dares drive a car in this town.

Those responsible for this hair brained Idea have learned nothing from the mess they created on Haughton road. They are Incompetent fools who are masters of waste and inefficiency.

I urge everyone to completely inundate the thieving pigs in the town hall with complaints when this project gets started. Let them know how we feel about their antics. I certainly will be.

It's easy to spend other peoples money - and even easier to waste it.
The roads in this town run as smoothly as the council does. They are also in a shocking condition - much like the council. This project is a complete and utter waste of millions of pounds of tax payers money - AGAIN! There are delays now. There will be huge delays and disruption when the 'work' is underway. And there will be massive delays when It is completed. the problem Is the councils attitude towards motorists. Deliberately placing restrictions all over town (except the more affluent ares I might add - what is that all about?) This will be another Haughton Road shambles - over budget - over run and will further blight the lives of anyone who dares drive a car in this town. Those responsible for this hair brained Idea have learned nothing from the mess they created on Haughton road. They are Incompetent fools who are masters of waste and inefficiency. I urge everyone to completely inundate the thieving pigs in the town hall with complaints when this project gets started. Let them know how we feel about their antics. I certainly will be. It's easy to spend other peoples money - and even easier to waste it. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 41

10:34am Mon 10 Feb 14

Jaga says...

So, a year plus the inevitable over-run, for a couple of hundred metres of road. You couldn't make it up. I suppose it will be the usual two workers plus half-a-dozen watchers. This should be a 24/7 operation with as many workers that can be fitted safely on site. Severe penalties for delays as well.

Nothing much being done about the two pedestrian crossings which currently cause delays at times now by the look of it. Then there's the extra distance vehicles will have to travel to make a turn. More traffic on stretches of road to cause more delay and pollution?
So, a year plus the inevitable over-run, for a couple of hundred metres of road. You couldn't make it up. I suppose it will be the usual two workers plus half-a-dozen watchers. This should be a 24/7 operation with as many workers that can be fitted safely on site. Severe penalties for delays as well. Nothing much being done about the two pedestrian crossings which currently cause delays at times now by the look of it. Then there's the extra distance vehicles will have to travel to make a turn. More traffic on stretches of road to cause more delay and pollution? Jaga
  • Score: 22

11:44am Mon 10 Feb 14

GeraldD says...

It's not Stonebridge roundabout that causes the delays, it's the traffic lights and closed lane between Halfords and the back of M&S. Why not fix that little thing first and then spend the millions of pounds on Stonebridge roundabout if it doesn't work?
It's not Stonebridge roundabout that causes the delays, it's the traffic lights and closed lane between Halfords and the back of M&S. Why not fix that little thing first and then spend the millions of pounds on Stonebridge roundabout if it doesn't work? GeraldD
  • Score: 41

12:32pm Mon 10 Feb 14

loan_star says...

GeraldD wrote:
It's not Stonebridge roundabout that causes the delays, it's the traffic lights and closed lane between Halfords and the back of M&S. Why not fix that little thing first and then spend the millions of pounds on Stonebridge roundabout if it doesn't work?
Said this all the long! I cant work out for the life of me why the council didnt just reinstate the second lane here first to see if this made a difference instead of spending millions elsewhere.
Traffic lights on Stonebridge roundabout wont ease congestion on Haughton Road either, another example of DBC incompetence at road planning. Not to mention bus stops moved out into the middle of the road at the top end of North Road causing tailbacks whenever a bus is parked up.
[quote][p][bold]GeraldD[/bold] wrote: It's not Stonebridge roundabout that causes the delays, it's the traffic lights and closed lane between Halfords and the back of M&S. Why not fix that little thing first and then spend the millions of pounds on Stonebridge roundabout if it doesn't work?[/p][/quote]Said this all the long! I cant work out for the life of me why the council didnt just reinstate the second lane here first to see if this made a difference instead of spending millions elsewhere. Traffic lights on Stonebridge roundabout wont ease congestion on Haughton Road either, another example of DBC incompetence at road planning. Not to mention bus stops moved out into the middle of the road at the top end of North Road causing tailbacks whenever a bus is parked up. loan_star
  • Score: 27

12:48pm Mon 10 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

loan_star wrote:
GeraldD wrote:
It's not Stonebridge roundabout that causes the delays, it's the traffic lights and closed lane between Halfords and the back of M&S. Why not fix that little thing first and then spend the millions of pounds on Stonebridge roundabout if it doesn't work?
Said this all the long! I cant work out for the life of me why the council didnt just reinstate the second lane here first to see if this made a difference instead of spending millions elsewhere.
Traffic lights on Stonebridge roundabout wont ease congestion on Haughton Road either, another example of DBC incompetence at road planning. Not to mention bus stops moved out into the middle of the road at the top end of North Road causing tailbacks whenever a bus is parked up.
Simple answer: it's free money and its someones little pet project. They have to continually come up with these money wasting hair brained schemes to justify their existence.

It really is that simple.

This lot in the town hall are thieving toe rags who only care about themselves.
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GeraldD[/bold] wrote: It's not Stonebridge roundabout that causes the delays, it's the traffic lights and closed lane between Halfords and the back of M&S. Why not fix that little thing first and then spend the millions of pounds on Stonebridge roundabout if it doesn't work?[/p][/quote]Said this all the long! I cant work out for the life of me why the council didnt just reinstate the second lane here first to see if this made a difference instead of spending millions elsewhere. Traffic lights on Stonebridge roundabout wont ease congestion on Haughton Road either, another example of DBC incompetence at road planning. Not to mention bus stops moved out into the middle of the road at the top end of North Road causing tailbacks whenever a bus is parked up.[/p][/quote]Simple answer: it's free money and its someones little pet project. They have to continually come up with these money wasting hair brained schemes to justify their existence. It really is that simple. This lot in the town hall are thieving toe rags who only care about themselves. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 19

12:57pm Mon 10 Feb 14

BMD says...

This Labour Council narrowed and blocked off the filter lanes to Yarm road and Stonebridge.
They also reduced the road to single lane between Halfords and the back of M&S.
They also introduced Bus lanes, which are unused and pointless.

I feel sorry for the Town centre shops, as this is sure to drive more people to outer town shopping. The project is another Labour waste of tax-payers money and will create chaos for at least a year.

Darlington Borough Council = Car Haters
This Labour Council narrowed and blocked off the filter lanes to Yarm road and Stonebridge. They also reduced the road to single lane between Halfords and the back of M&S. They also introduced Bus lanes, which are unused and pointless. I feel sorry for the Town centre shops, as this is sure to drive more people to outer town shopping. The project is another Labour waste of tax-payers money and will create chaos for at least a year. Darlington Borough Council = Car Haters BMD
  • Score: 24

1:24pm Mon 10 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

According to this Winstanley idiot, the current set up just doesn't work at all.

Has he ever driven through the Haughton Road roundabout I wonder, because that doesn't work at all either and they spent millions of pounds on it.

And his insistence that it's the Iron Bridge roundabout that's the cause of the congestion is naive at best and completely ridiculous. It's things like lane closing, dedicated bus/taxi lanes, chicanes, pedestrian crossings, pedestrians who cross where there isn't a crossing, bad driving, and constant council meddling of our roads that are the cause of congestion in this town. Im not the assistant director for highways and I know what causes all the mayhem. So what exactly is the point of Mr P Winstanley? Answers on a postcard please.
According to this Winstanley idiot, the current set up just doesn't work at all. Has he ever driven through the Haughton Road roundabout I wonder, because that doesn't work at all either and they spent millions of pounds on it. And his insistence that it's the Iron Bridge roundabout that's the cause of the congestion is naive at best and completely ridiculous. It's things like lane closing, dedicated bus/taxi lanes, chicanes, pedestrian crossings, pedestrians who cross where there isn't a crossing, bad driving, and constant council meddling of our roads that are the cause of congestion in this town. Im not the assistant director for highways and I know what causes all the mayhem. So what exactly is the point of Mr P Winstanley? Answers on a postcard please. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 14

1:33pm Mon 10 Feb 14

miketually says...

We still think pedestrians are the cause of congestion, I see.
We still think pedestrians are the cause of congestion, I see. miketually
  • Score: -6

1:42pm Mon 10 Feb 14

JJ2000 says...

Out of town shopping has never looked so appealing.

Backlogs to feetams and Victoria road.
Backlogs to Neasham road.
Backlogs to northgate.
Backlogs to haughton road.
And that's when the work is completed. Up until then add 500 yards to each queue.

Sorry DBC, but I place far more value on my time than you guys clearly think it's worth. Hope it works out for you, but I have other priorities and other places to spend my time and money.
Out of town shopping has never looked so appealing. Backlogs to feetams and Victoria road. Backlogs to Neasham road. Backlogs to northgate. Backlogs to haughton road. And that's when the work is completed. Up until then add 500 yards to each queue. Sorry DBC, but I place far more value on my time than you guys clearly think it's worth. Hope it works out for you, but I have other priorities and other places to spend my time and money. JJ2000
  • Score: 8

1:58pm Mon 10 Feb 14

old gadgee says...

Here we go again.
How many times will this lot pay out to alter this roundabout?

I'm a bit long in the tooth and so I can remember the original roundabout there. It was quite large in diameter so yes, you had to slow well down to negotiate it safely - however - if my memory serves me correctly - I seem to remember reading in the Echo that it was the bus drivers that were claiming that turning their steering wheels first one way, then the other, then back again was making their arms ache.
I can understand that but this is what we all have to do at a large roundabout PLUS it slows you down which in turn gives the other drivers a chance to enter the roundabout.
As it is now, most vehicles can 'straight line it' at 30mph especially when they are travelling 'straight on' along the ring road.
The buses now have power steering - So the anwser is obvious!

MAKE THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF BIGGER IN DIAMETER AND SAVE ££££££££££
££££££££££
££££££££££
££££££££££
££££££££££
£££'s

P.S. Please don't jump on my back if you are a bus driver or?
Too many roundabouts, because of their small size, allow you to belt on over them at speed. Others drivers have hardly any chance to make their move so yes, we get tail backs and congestion.
MAKE THEM BIGGER in diameter and you stop this happening . . . . .
Here we go again. How many times will this lot pay out to alter this roundabout? I'm a bit long in the tooth and so I can remember the original roundabout there. It was quite large in diameter so yes, you had to slow well down to negotiate it safely - however - if my memory serves me correctly - I seem to remember reading in the Echo that it was the bus drivers that were claiming that turning their steering wheels first one way, then the other, then back again was making their arms ache. I can understand that but this is what we all have to do at a large roundabout PLUS it slows you down which in turn gives the other drivers a chance to enter the roundabout. As it is now, most vehicles can 'straight line it' at 30mph especially when they are travelling 'straight on' along the ring road. The buses now have power steering - So the anwser is obvious! MAKE THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF BIGGER IN DIAMETER AND SAVE ££££££££££ ££££££££££ ££££££££££ ££££££££££ ££££££££££ £££'s P.S. Please don't jump on my back if you are a bus driver or? Too many roundabouts, because of their small size, allow you to belt on over them at speed. Others drivers have hardly any chance to make their move so yes, we get tail backs and congestion. MAKE THEM BIGGER in diameter and you stop this happening . . . . . old gadgee
  • Score: 7

2:33pm Mon 10 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

miketually wrote:
We still think pedestrians are the cause of congestion, I see.
They are part of the problem. No doubt what-so-ever about that.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: We still think pedestrians are the cause of congestion, I see.[/p][/quote]They are part of the problem. No doubt what-so-ever about that. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 2

2:57pm Mon 10 Feb 14

studio says...

The only surprise here for me is that the council havnt had the idea of some sort of toll road or congestion charge!

Not only have i moved my shopping from the town, Its keys hand over day in 3 weeks! Obviously i never mentioned my reasons for moving to the new owners!
The only surprise here for me is that the council havnt had the idea of some sort of toll road or congestion charge! Not only have i moved my shopping from the town, Its keys hand over day in 3 weeks! Obviously i never mentioned my reasons for moving to the new owners! studio
  • Score: 7

3:29pm Mon 10 Feb 14

miketually says...

banmeandilljustregis
terwithanewname
wrote:
miketually wrote:
We still think pedestrians are the cause of congestion, I see.
They are part of the problem. No doubt what-so-ever about that.
Have you actually watched what happens there, at the crossings? When cars are stopped by the lights, all it does is slightly delay them getting to the next queue.
[quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis terwithanewname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: We still think pedestrians are the cause of congestion, I see.[/p][/quote]They are part of the problem. No doubt what-so-ever about that.[/p][/quote]Have you actually watched what happens there, at the crossings? When cars are stopped by the lights, all it does is slightly delay them getting to the next queue. miketually
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Mon 10 Feb 14

stevegg says...

Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.
Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays. stevegg
  • Score: 18

6:11pm Mon 10 Feb 14

miketually says...

stevegg wrote:
Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.
Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that...

The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock.

Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster.

Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before.
[quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.[/p][/quote]Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that... The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock. Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster. Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before. miketually
  • Score: -8

6:48pm Mon 10 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

miketually wrote:
stevegg wrote:
Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.
Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that...

The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock.

Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster.

Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before.
The pedestrian crossings do cause gridlock. You're in denial being part of the anti car brigade.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.[/p][/quote]Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that... The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock. Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster. Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before.[/p][/quote]The pedestrian crossings do cause gridlock. You're in denial being part of the anti car brigade. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 6

6:53pm Mon 10 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

miketually wrote:
stevegg wrote:
Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.
Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that...

The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock.

Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster.

Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before.
And regarding the joke of a roundabout on Haughton Road,

Quite clearly you are either blind, or stupid, or both. Whatever, you're clearly just trying to be antagonistic and inflammatory.

And you are most definitely in the tiny minority with your blinkered views.

You anti car sentiments are as predictable as they are tedious and nobody takes anything you have to say on the matter seriously.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.[/p][/quote]Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that... The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock. Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster. Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before.[/p][/quote]And regarding the joke of a roundabout on Haughton Road, Quite clearly you are either blind, or stupid, or both. Whatever, you're clearly just trying to be antagonistic and inflammatory. And you are most definitely in the tiny minority with your blinkered views. You anti car sentiments are as predictable as they are tedious and nobody takes anything you have to say on the matter seriously. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 10

7:49pm Mon 10 Feb 14

LUSTARD says...

whatever happened to compulsory purchase of larchfield st, lovely short cut for incoming trtaffic from grange rd and conny rd
whatever happened to compulsory purchase of larchfield st, lovely short cut for incoming trtaffic from grange rd and conny rd LUSTARD
  • Score: 10

7:51pm Mon 10 Feb 14

giggitty says...

banmeandilljustregis
terwithanewname
wrote:
miketually wrote:
stevegg wrote: Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.
Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that... The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock. Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster. Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before.
And regarding the joke of a roundabout on Haughton Road, Quite clearly you are either blind, or stupid, or both. Whatever, you're clearly just trying to be antagonistic and inflammatory. And you are most definitely in the tiny minority with your blinkered views. You anti car sentiments are as predictable as they are tedious and nobody takes anything you have to say on the matter seriously.
But not as tedious and boring as yours and the rest of the me me me's on here. At least he understands the council has a duty to ALL traffic.

And yes, that includes pedestrians, cyclists, busses and people with disabilities!

And he's bang on about the throughabout, ALL traffic gets its fair share of green light time. Surely you must see this?

PS - Is there really any need to return to the play ground and call someone names because they have a different opinion to you?
[quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis terwithanewname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.[/p][/quote]Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that... The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock. Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster. Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before.[/p][/quote]And regarding the joke of a roundabout on Haughton Road, Quite clearly you are either blind, or stupid, or both. Whatever, you're clearly just trying to be antagonistic and inflammatory. And you are most definitely in the tiny minority with your blinkered views. You anti car sentiments are as predictable as they are tedious and nobody takes anything you have to say on the matter seriously.[/p][/quote]But not as tedious and boring as yours and the rest of the me me me's on here. At least he understands the council has a duty to ALL traffic. And yes, that includes pedestrians, cyclists, busses and people with disabilities! And he's bang on about the throughabout, ALL traffic gets its fair share of green light time. Surely you must see this? PS - Is there really any need to return to the play ground and call someone names because they have a different opinion to you? giggitty
  • Score: 2

8:03pm Mon 10 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

giggitty wrote:
banmeandilljustregis

terwithanewname
wrote:
miketually wrote:
stevegg wrote: Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.
Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that... The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock. Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster. Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before.
And regarding the joke of a roundabout on Haughton Road, Quite clearly you are either blind, or stupid, or both. Whatever, you're clearly just trying to be antagonistic and inflammatory. And you are most definitely in the tiny minority with your blinkered views. You anti car sentiments are as predictable as they are tedious and nobody takes anything you have to say on the matter seriously.
But not as tedious and boring as yours and the rest of the me me me's on here. At least he understands the council has a duty to ALL traffic.

And yes, that includes pedestrians, cyclists, busses and people with disabilities!

And he's bang on about the throughabout, ALL traffic gets its fair share of green light time. Surely you must see this?

PS - Is there really any need to return to the play ground and call someone names because they have a different opinion to you?
Another delusional fool.

I haven't got the time or the wherewithal to argue with a lemming(s).

Happy motoring.
[quote][p][bold]giggitty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis terwithanewname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: Why do council planners think traffic lights are the solution to everything? Do they posess any common sense? Wouldnt this money be better spent putting subway tunnels at the pedestrian crossings which cause the gridlock in the first place as the lights are mostly on red and also reopen the filter lane onto Yarm road & widen the single lane by M&S? Is the traffic policy of this town only aimed at reducing traffic flow as it will soon be quicker to walk everywhere? Has the Haughton road throughabout with a forest of traffic lights taught them absolutely nothing when the council heirachy said it would cut congestion but has in fact made it worse? Are tax payers going to be protected from overspends, overuns etc, has the contract been negotiated to protect tasxpayers? They are killing the town centre as a shopping destination and cant even see it, it will soon be all poundlands, mobile phone shops, charity shops and coffee shops. Prepare for 12 months of even worse congestion and even worse delays.[/p][/quote]Subway tunnels next to the river? Have a think about that... The pedestrian crossings don't cause gridlock. Part of this work includes opening up the single lane back to two. All that this will do is deliver cars to the queue at Northgate slightly faster. Heading into town, the throughabout has improved traffic flow. Heading out, it's still not good at peak times, but it's no worse than before.[/p][/quote]And regarding the joke of a roundabout on Haughton Road, Quite clearly you are either blind, or stupid, or both. Whatever, you're clearly just trying to be antagonistic and inflammatory. And you are most definitely in the tiny minority with your blinkered views. You anti car sentiments are as predictable as they are tedious and nobody takes anything you have to say on the matter seriously.[/p][/quote]But not as tedious and boring as yours and the rest of the me me me's on here. At least he understands the council has a duty to ALL traffic. And yes, that includes pedestrians, cyclists, busses and people with disabilities! And he's bang on about the throughabout, ALL traffic gets its fair share of green light time. Surely you must see this? PS - Is there really any need to return to the play ground and call someone names because they have a different opinion to you?[/p][/quote]Another delusional fool. I haven't got the time or the wherewithal to argue with a lemming(s). Happy motoring. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: -1

8:45pm Mon 10 Feb 14

HSC says...

banmeandilljustregis
terwithanewname
wrote:
The roads in this town run as smoothly as the council does. They are also in a shocking condition - much like the council.

This project is a complete and utter waste of millions of pounds of tax payers money - AGAIN!

There are delays now. There will be huge delays and disruption when the 'work' is underway. And there will be massive delays when It is completed. the problem Is the councils attitude towards motorists. Deliberately placing restrictions all over town (except the more affluent ares I might add - what is that all about?)

This will be another Haughton Road shambles - over budget - over run and will further blight the lives of anyone who dares drive a car in this town.

Those responsible for this hair brained Idea have learned nothing from the mess they created on Haughton road. They are Incompetent fools who are masters of waste and inefficiency.

I urge everyone to completely inundate the thieving pigs in the town hall with complaints when this project gets started. Let them know how we feel about their antics. I certainly will be.

It's easy to spend other peoples money - and even easier to waste it.
How's the anger management course going - not well i gather?
[quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis terwithanewname[/bold] wrote: The roads in this town run as smoothly as the council does. They are also in a shocking condition - much like the council. This project is a complete and utter waste of millions of pounds of tax payers money - AGAIN! There are delays now. There will be huge delays and disruption when the 'work' is underway. And there will be massive delays when It is completed. the problem Is the councils attitude towards motorists. Deliberately placing restrictions all over town (except the more affluent ares I might add - what is that all about?) This will be another Haughton Road shambles - over budget - over run and will further blight the lives of anyone who dares drive a car in this town. Those responsible for this hair brained Idea have learned nothing from the mess they created on Haughton road. They are Incompetent fools who are masters of waste and inefficiency. I urge everyone to completely inundate the thieving pigs in the town hall with complaints when this project gets started. Let them know how we feel about their antics. I certainly will be. It's easy to spend other peoples money - and even easier to waste it.[/p][/quote]How's the anger management course going - not well i gather? HSC
  • Score: 0

8:58pm Mon 10 Feb 14

HSC says...

Pedestrians & Cyclists should always get priority in town and city centres.

I say this as a company car driver doing around 30k miles a year - and a cyclist and a pedestrian.

Cars should be routed around town centres with plentiful parking available at the peripheral - just like Darlington does!
Pedestrians & Cyclists should always get priority in town and city centres. I say this as a company car driver doing around 30k miles a year - and a cyclist and a pedestrian. Cars should be routed around town centres with plentiful parking available at the peripheral - just like Darlington does! HSC
  • Score: 0

8:59pm Mon 10 Feb 14

grandmab says...

loan_star wrote:
GeraldD wrote:
It's not Stonebridge roundabout that causes the delays, it's the traffic lights and closed lane between Halfords and the back of M&S. Why not fix that little thing first and then spend the millions of pounds on Stonebridge roundabout if it doesn't work?
Said this all the long! I cant work out for the life of me why the council didnt just reinstate the second lane here first to see if this made a difference instead of spending millions elsewhere.
Traffic lights on Stonebridge roundabout wont ease congestion on Haughton Road either, another example of DBC incompetence at road planning. Not to mention bus stops moved out into the middle of the road at the top end of North Road causing tailbacks whenever a bus is parked up.
They had to put that bump out for the buses so they could allow on street parking for the residents who blocked the bus stop.Again total stupidity first to allow on street parking there and then to bump out the bus stop. They did the same at the crossing point at Ashleigh house narrowing the road by one lane on each side.
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GeraldD[/bold] wrote: It's not Stonebridge roundabout that causes the delays, it's the traffic lights and closed lane between Halfords and the back of M&S. Why not fix that little thing first and then spend the millions of pounds on Stonebridge roundabout if it doesn't work?[/p][/quote]Said this all the long! I cant work out for the life of me why the council didnt just reinstate the second lane here first to see if this made a difference instead of spending millions elsewhere. Traffic lights on Stonebridge roundabout wont ease congestion on Haughton Road either, another example of DBC incompetence at road planning. Not to mention bus stops moved out into the middle of the road at the top end of North Road causing tailbacks whenever a bus is parked up.[/p][/quote]They had to put that bump out for the buses so they could allow on street parking for the residents who blocked the bus stop.Again total stupidity first to allow on street parking there and then to bump out the bus stop. They did the same at the crossing point at Ashleigh house narrowing the road by one lane on each side. grandmab
  • Score: 3

9:55pm Mon 10 Feb 14

MSG says...

If cyclists get priority on the road then I demand they they contribute via a bike tax towards road maintenance and alterations. As a car driver, why should I pay for roads for them ???
Also, where is our bus service to use the altered road layouts in Darlo ring road ??????
If cyclists get priority on the road then I demand they they contribute via a bike tax towards road maintenance and alterations. As a car driver, why should I pay for roads for them ??? Also, where is our bus service to use the altered road layouts in Darlo ring road ?????? MSG
  • Score: -2

10:43pm Mon 10 Feb 14

HSC says...

MSG wrote:
If cyclists get priority on the road then I demand they they contribute via a bike tax towards road maintenance and alterations. As a car driver, why should I pay for roads for them ???
Also, where is our bus service to use the altered road layouts in Darlo ring road ??????
They already do, through income tax, council tax and I'd bet the majority of cyclists also pay vehicle excise duty on the cars they've left at home.

Cycles do next to zero damage to the roads and environment they use - unlike heavy, noisy and polluting motor vehicles!
[quote][p][bold]MSG[/bold] wrote: If cyclists get priority on the road then I demand they they contribute via a bike tax towards road maintenance and alterations. As a car driver, why should I pay for roads for them ??? Also, where is our bus service to use the altered road layouts in Darlo ring road ??????[/p][/quote]They already do, through income tax, council tax and I'd bet the majority of cyclists also pay vehicle excise duty on the cars they've left at home. Cycles do next to zero damage to the roads and environment they use - unlike heavy, noisy and polluting motor vehicles! HSC
  • Score: -2

10:51pm Mon 10 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

HSC wrote:
banmeandilljustregis

terwithanewname
wrote:
The roads in this town run as smoothly as the council does. They are also in a shocking condition - much like the council.

This project is a complete and utter waste of millions of pounds of tax payers money - AGAIN!

There are delays now. There will be huge delays and disruption when the 'work' is underway. And there will be massive delays when It is completed. the problem Is the councils attitude towards motorists. Deliberately placing restrictions all over town (except the more affluent ares I might add - what is that all about?)

This will be another Haughton Road shambles - over budget - over run and will further blight the lives of anyone who dares drive a car in this town.

Those responsible for this hair brained Idea have learned nothing from the mess they created on Haughton road. They are Incompetent fools who are masters of waste and inefficiency.

I urge everyone to completely inundate the thieving pigs in the town hall with complaints when this project gets started. Let them know how we feel about their antics. I certainly will be.

It's easy to spend other peoples money - and even easier to waste it.
How's the anger management course going - not well i gather?
**** right I'm angry. Who wouldn't be?

You lay back and take it in the a$$ if you like.

I never will.
[quote][p][bold]HSC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis terwithanewname[/bold] wrote: The roads in this town run as smoothly as the council does. They are also in a shocking condition - much like the council. This project is a complete and utter waste of millions of pounds of tax payers money - AGAIN! There are delays now. There will be huge delays and disruption when the 'work' is underway. And there will be massive delays when It is completed. the problem Is the councils attitude towards motorists. Deliberately placing restrictions all over town (except the more affluent ares I might add - what is that all about?) This will be another Haughton Road shambles - over budget - over run and will further blight the lives of anyone who dares drive a car in this town. Those responsible for this hair brained Idea have learned nothing from the mess they created on Haughton road. They are Incompetent fools who are masters of waste and inefficiency. I urge everyone to completely inundate the thieving pigs in the town hall with complaints when this project gets started. Let them know how we feel about their antics. I certainly will be. It's easy to spend other peoples money - and even easier to waste it.[/p][/quote]How's the anger management course going - not well i gather?[/p][/quote]**** right I'm angry. Who wouldn't be? You lay back and take it in the a$$ if you like. I never will. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 3

11:31pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Bushead says...

think some people need to get their heads looking at ... pedestrians causing traffic jams ? think you need to up your medication.

Also the throughabout works brilliantly !
think some people need to get their heads looking at ... pedestrians causing traffic jams ? think you need to up your medication. Also the throughabout works brilliantly ! Bushead
  • Score: -4

8:40am Tue 11 Feb 14

BMD says...

Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong.

Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements)
It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”)
Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost)
One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre)
The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc)
The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed.

The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes)
Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong. Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements) It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”) Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost) One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre) The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc) The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed. The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes) BMD
  • Score: 6

9:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

giggitty says...

MSG wrote:
If cyclists get priority on the road then I demand they they contribute via a bike tax towards road maintenance and alterations. As a car driver, why should I pay for roads for them ??? Also, where is our bus service to use the altered road layouts in Darlo ring road ??????
Pedestrians and Cyclists do have priority, it’s the law.

Why are you, as a car driver paying for road maintenance?

Reading between the lines, i presume it’s because you pay "car tax" and therefore pay for the maintence of roads.

WRONG............ Firstly it’s called Vehicle Excise Duty (a moot point, I agree). Secondly, this tax goes straight into central government’s coffers. There has been NO direct correlation between the tax on vehicles and the highway maintence budget since 1937!!! Obviously you / we pay for it in the long run from the general pot though, as do the cyclist!

I don’t know why people think there is a link, it’s not as if the rules changed last year, it was 77 years ago.

As for your bus service, ask Arriva. After all they are the ones who pick and choose which routes to run – ie they’ll only operate profitable ones. It’s left to the council to subsidise the none profitable ones, out of my Council Tax!

Have the council cut all subsidies? I hope so.
[quote][p][bold]MSG[/bold] wrote: If cyclists get priority on the road then I demand they they contribute via a bike tax towards road maintenance and alterations. As a car driver, why should I pay for roads for them ??? Also, where is our bus service to use the altered road layouts in Darlo ring road ??????[/p][/quote]Pedestrians and Cyclists do have priority, it’s the law. Why are you, as a car driver paying for road maintenance? Reading between the lines, i presume it’s because you pay "car tax" and therefore pay for the maintence of roads. WRONG............ Firstly it’s called Vehicle Excise Duty (a moot point, I agree). Secondly, this tax goes straight into central government’s coffers. There has been NO direct correlation between the tax on vehicles and the highway maintence budget since 1937!!! Obviously you / we pay for it in the long run from the general pot though, as do the cyclist! I don’t know why people think there is a link, it’s not as if the rules changed last year, it was 77 years ago. As for your bus service, ask Arriva. After all they are the ones who pick and choose which routes to run – ie they’ll only operate profitable ones. It’s left to the council to subsidise the none profitable ones, out of my Council Tax! Have the council cut all subsidies? I hope so. giggitty
  • Score: 7

10:12am Tue 11 Feb 14

miketually says...

I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution.

It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.
I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads. miketually
  • Score: -2

12:22pm Tue 11 Feb 14

pager11 says...

banmeandilljustregis
terwithanewname
wrote:
According to this Winstanley idiot, the current set up just doesn't work at all.

Has he ever driven through the Haughton Road roundabout I wonder, because that doesn't work at all either and they spent millions of pounds on it.

And his insistence that it's the Iron Bridge roundabout that's the cause of the congestion is naive at best and completely ridiculous. It's things like lane closing, dedicated bus/taxi lanes, chicanes, pedestrian crossings, pedestrians who cross where there isn't a crossing, bad driving, and constant council meddling of our roads that are the cause of congestion in this town. Im not the assistant director for highways and I know what causes all the mayhem. So what exactly is the point of Mr P Winstanley? Answers on a postcard please.
There is no point of Mr P Winstanley, and certainly not Bill and his 40 thieves, when I see all those union men who call strikes on the tv bleating on about this and that I think of Bill, out of there depth the lot of them. You could not make any of this lot up.
[quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis terwithanewname[/bold] wrote: According to this Winstanley idiot, the current set up just doesn't work at all. Has he ever driven through the Haughton Road roundabout I wonder, because that doesn't work at all either and they spent millions of pounds on it. And his insistence that it's the Iron Bridge roundabout that's the cause of the congestion is naive at best and completely ridiculous. It's things like lane closing, dedicated bus/taxi lanes, chicanes, pedestrian crossings, pedestrians who cross where there isn't a crossing, bad driving, and constant council meddling of our roads that are the cause of congestion in this town. Im not the assistant director for highways and I know what causes all the mayhem. So what exactly is the point of Mr P Winstanley? Answers on a postcard please.[/p][/quote]There is no point of Mr P Winstanley, and certainly not Bill and his 40 thieves, when I see all those union men who call strikes on the tv bleating on about this and that I think of Bill, out of there depth the lot of them. You could not make any of this lot up. pager11
  • Score: 2

12:29pm Tue 11 Feb 14

BMD says...

miketually wrote:
I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.
Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads?
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads? BMD
  • Score: 1

12:36pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Rosvanian says...

banmeandilljustregis
terwithanewname
wrote:
The roads in this town run as smoothly as the council does. They are also in a shocking condition - much like the council. This project is a complete and utter waste of millions of pounds of tax payers money - AGAIN! There are delays now. There will be huge delays and disruption when the 'work' is underway. And there will be massive delays when It is completed. the problem Is the councils attitude towards motorists. Deliberately placing restrictions all over town (except the more affluent ares I might add - what is that all about?) This will be another Haughton Road shambles - over budget - over run and will further blight the lives of anyone who dares drive a car in this town. Those responsible for this hair brained Idea have learned nothing from the mess they created on Haughton road. They are Incompetent fools who are masters of waste and inefficiency. I urge everyone to completely inundate the thieving pigs in the town hall with complaints when this project gets started. Let them know how we feel about their antics. I certainly will be. It's easy to spend other peoples money - and even easier to waste it.
Another council related story and another cynical rant with the usual accusations of theft by council employees. I wish you people could come up with some actual evidence otherwise you'll carry on being treated with the contempt you deserve.
[quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis terwithanewname[/bold] wrote: The roads in this town run as smoothly as the council does. They are also in a shocking condition - much like the council. This project is a complete and utter waste of millions of pounds of tax payers money - AGAIN! There are delays now. There will be huge delays and disruption when the 'work' is underway. And there will be massive delays when It is completed. the problem Is the councils attitude towards motorists. Deliberately placing restrictions all over town (except the more affluent ares I might add - what is that all about?) This will be another Haughton Road shambles - over budget - over run and will further blight the lives of anyone who dares drive a car in this town. Those responsible for this hair brained Idea have learned nothing from the mess they created on Haughton road. They are Incompetent fools who are masters of waste and inefficiency. I urge everyone to completely inundate the thieving pigs in the town hall with complaints when this project gets started. Let them know how we feel about their antics. I certainly will be. It's easy to spend other peoples money - and even easier to waste it.[/p][/quote]Another council related story and another cynical rant with the usual accusations of theft by council employees. I wish you people could come up with some actual evidence otherwise you'll carry on being treated with the contempt you deserve. Rosvanian
  • Score: -2

1:01pm Tue 11 Feb 14

miketually says...

BMD wrote:
miketually wrote:
I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.
Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads?
I forgot, we're not allowed to think massive road building is a bad idea, if we've ever received any goods via the road network.

It's not possible to think spending millions on new roads like the ETC, the throughabout, North Road, or the inner ring road is a bad thing, if our shopping arrives at the shop in a truck.

I have to think that mass private vehicle ownership being prioritised above spending on cycling, walking or public transport is a good thing, because bikes are delivered to shops by van or truck. It is not possible to take a more nuanced approach.
[quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads?[/p][/quote]I forgot, we're not allowed to think massive road building is a bad idea, if we've ever received any goods via the road network. It's not possible to think spending millions on new roads like the ETC, the throughabout, North Road, or the inner ring road is a bad thing, if our shopping arrives at the shop in a truck. I have to think that mass private vehicle ownership being prioritised above spending on cycling, walking or public transport is a good thing, because bikes are delivered to shops by van or truck. It is not possible to take a more nuanced approach. miketually
  • Score: -1

1:09pm Tue 11 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

BMD wrote:
miketually wrote:
I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.
Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads?
His bike arrived via carrier pigeon.

It's very green and you don't need and nasty roads or dirty polluting vehicles that way.

This buffoon would have us all back on horse and cart.
[quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads?[/p][/quote]His bike arrived via carrier pigeon. It's very green and you don't need and nasty roads or dirty polluting vehicles that way. This buffoon would have us all back on horse and cart. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: -1

2:02pm Tue 11 Feb 14

miketually says...

banmeandilljustregis
terwithanewname
wrote:
BMD wrote:
miketually wrote:
I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.
Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads?
His bike arrived via carrier pigeon.

It's very green and you don't need and nasty roads or dirty polluting vehicles that way.

This buffoon would have us all back on horse and cart.
Do you know your username should have an apostrophe in it?
[quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis terwithanewname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads?[/p][/quote]His bike arrived via carrier pigeon. It's very green and you don't need and nasty roads or dirty polluting vehicles that way. This buffoon would have us all back on horse and cart.[/p][/quote]Do you know your username should have an apostrophe in it? miketually
  • Score: 0

3:32pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Luther95 says...

BMD wrote:
Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong.

Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements)
It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”)
Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost)
One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre)
The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc)
The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed.

The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes)
A few facts (to help).

The money for the ring-road scheme is nothing to do with the Council Tax. It is part of a grant received by the Tees Valley councils to make improvements for buses. It can only be spent for that purpose. If it is not fully spent by April 2015, it goes back down to London.

I understand the work includes returning the stretch of road between Halfords and the Northgate roundabout to 2-lanes in each direction. I would have thought that was a move for motorists (and others) to celebrate.

How many of the commentators here have acrtually seen the designs for the scheme?
[quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong. Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements) It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”) Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost) One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre) The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc) The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed. The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes)[/p][/quote]A few facts (to help). The money for the ring-road scheme is nothing to do with the Council Tax. It is part of a grant received by the Tees Valley councils to make improvements for buses. It can only be spent for that purpose. If it is not fully spent by April 2015, it goes back down to London. I understand the work includes returning the stretch of road between Halfords and the Northgate roundabout to 2-lanes in each direction. I would have thought that was a move for motorists (and others) to celebrate. How many of the commentators here have acrtually seen the designs for the scheme? Luther95
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Tue 11 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

miketually wrote:
banmeandilljustregis

terwithanewname
wrote:
BMD wrote:
miketually wrote:
I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.
Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads?
His bike arrived via carrier pigeon.

It's very green and you don't need and nasty roads or dirty polluting vehicles that way.

This buffoon would have us all back on horse and cart.
Do you know your username should have an apostrophe in it?
That's about the mentality of you.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]banmeandilljustregis terwithanewname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: I pay car tax, Council Tax, Income Tax, VAT, and National Insurance. My bikes are also taxed at the same rate as many cars, but I'm not clogging up or damaging the roads while I'm riding them, and I'm not contributing to noise or air pollution. It's a shame so much of the money I pay is wasted on building roads.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha, how did your precious bicycle arrive from India or China - I guess it wasn’t on a back of a truck using roads?[/p][/quote]His bike arrived via carrier pigeon. It's very green and you don't need and nasty roads or dirty polluting vehicles that way. This buffoon would have us all back on horse and cart.[/p][/quote]Do you know your username should have an apostrophe in it?[/p][/quote]That's about the mentality of you. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 3

5:09pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

If the scheme really helps the flow of traffic it has to be a good thing.

Haughton Road roundabout did not deliver the improvement that you would expect for the cost involved. There are speed humps around North Road you can drive through without touching the sides. Some of the traffic management on DBC schemes is a joke.You read about bus stop signs being put where buses have not stopped for years. If you are familiar with the planning that goes into road schemes you would realise that this should never happen. Neither does it inspire confidence when they reduce the lanes available to cars then put it back again. They should know which is better. So people have a right to be worried.

It should not go over budget because the contractor should be made to pick up the tab. It should work because simulation exercises should definitely establish that it is so. But based on past performance will it?

If pedestrians and cyclists are causing a problem then build a bridge. It's probably a lot safer. Cycling should reduce traffic but it's far too dangerous. Cycle routes need to be like Austria or Holland before people will use them in earnest. It's this attitude of we've spent several million pounds and it hasn't worked but not to worry that people get sick off.
If the scheme really helps the flow of traffic it has to be a good thing. Haughton Road roundabout did not deliver the improvement that you would expect for the cost involved. There are speed humps around North Road you can drive through without touching the sides. Some of the traffic management on DBC schemes is a joke.You read about bus stop signs being put where buses have not stopped for years. If you are familiar with the planning that goes into road schemes you would realise that this should never happen. Neither does it inspire confidence when they reduce the lanes available to cars then put it back again. They should know which is better. So people have a right to be worried. It should not go over budget because the contractor should be made to pick up the tab. It should work because simulation exercises should definitely establish that it is so. But based on past performance will it? If pedestrians and cyclists are causing a problem then build a bridge. It's probably a lot safer. Cycling should reduce traffic but it's far too dangerous. Cycle routes need to be like Austria or Holland before people will use them in earnest. It's this attitude of we've spent several million pounds and it hasn't worked but not to worry that people get sick off. Homshaw1
  • Score: 4

5:54pm Tue 11 Feb 14

loan_star says...

Luther95 wrote:
BMD wrote:
Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong.

Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements)
It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”)
Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost)
One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre)
The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc)
The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed.

The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes)
A few facts (to help).

The money for the ring-road scheme is nothing to do with the Council Tax. It is part of a grant received by the Tees Valley councils to make improvements for buses. It can only be spent for that purpose. If it is not fully spent by April 2015, it goes back down to London.

I understand the work includes returning the stretch of road between Halfords and the Northgate roundabout to 2-lanes in each direction. I would have thought that was a move for motorists (and others) to celebrate.

How many of the commentators here have acrtually seen the designs for the scheme?
I went around stonebridge roundabout today at 5.20 and there was no delays at all in either direction. Haughton Road though was tailing back back to Halfords and North Road was chocker due to road works. I honestly think that the changes are not required if they only reinstate the 2nd lane outside M&S, the filter lane into Parkgate and make the through about into a roundabout. That would save the council millions to start with and also save electricity on all the unnecessary traffic lights!
[quote][p][bold]Luther95[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong. Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements) It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”) Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost) One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre) The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc) The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed. The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes)[/p][/quote]A few facts (to help). The money for the ring-road scheme is nothing to do with the Council Tax. It is part of a grant received by the Tees Valley councils to make improvements for buses. It can only be spent for that purpose. If it is not fully spent by April 2015, it goes back down to London. I understand the work includes returning the stretch of road between Halfords and the Northgate roundabout to 2-lanes in each direction. I would have thought that was a move for motorists (and others) to celebrate. How many of the commentators here have acrtually seen the designs for the scheme?[/p][/quote]I went around stonebridge roundabout today at 5.20 and there was no delays at all in either direction. Haughton Road though was tailing back back to Halfords and North Road was chocker due to road works. I honestly think that the changes are not required if they only reinstate the 2nd lane outside M&S, the filter lane into Parkgate and make the through about into a roundabout. That would save the council millions to start with and also save electricity on all the unnecessary traffic lights! loan_star
  • Score: 2

6:13pm Tue 11 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

loan_star wrote:
Luther95 wrote:
BMD wrote:
Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong.

Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements)
It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”)
Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost)
One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre)
The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc)
The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed.

The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes)
A few facts (to help).

The money for the ring-road scheme is nothing to do with the Council Tax. It is part of a grant received by the Tees Valley councils to make improvements for buses. It can only be spent for that purpose. If it is not fully spent by April 2015, it goes back down to London.

I understand the work includes returning the stretch of road between Halfords and the Northgate roundabout to 2-lanes in each direction. I would have thought that was a move for motorists (and others) to celebrate.

How many of the commentators here have acrtually seen the designs for the scheme?
I went around stonebridge roundabout today at 5.20 and there was no delays at all in either direction. Haughton Road though was tailing back back to Halfords and North Road was chocker due to road works. I honestly think that the changes are not required if they only reinstate the 2nd lane outside M&S, the filter lane into Parkgate and make the through about into a roundabout. That would save the council millions to start with and also save electricity on all the unnecessary traffic lights!
I Agree entirely with your observations.

But they've got their greedy little hands on our money now, and no amount of persuasion or proof will deter them from wasting it.
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luther95[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong. Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements) It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”) Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost) One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre) The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc) The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed. The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes)[/p][/quote]A few facts (to help). The money for the ring-road scheme is nothing to do with the Council Tax. It is part of a grant received by the Tees Valley councils to make improvements for buses. It can only be spent for that purpose. If it is not fully spent by April 2015, it goes back down to London. I understand the work includes returning the stretch of road between Halfords and the Northgate roundabout to 2-lanes in each direction. I would have thought that was a move for motorists (and others) to celebrate. How many of the commentators here have acrtually seen the designs for the scheme?[/p][/quote]I went around stonebridge roundabout today at 5.20 and there was no delays at all in either direction. Haughton Road though was tailing back back to Halfords and North Road was chocker due to road works. I honestly think that the changes are not required if they only reinstate the 2nd lane outside M&S, the filter lane into Parkgate and make the through about into a roundabout. That would save the council millions to start with and also save electricity on all the unnecessary traffic lights![/p][/quote]I Agree entirely with your observations. But they've got their greedy little hands on our money now, and no amount of persuasion or proof will deter them from wasting it. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 5

7:28pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Lifetime Townie says...

WE don't really need these works and all the costs that go with it. Looks just like another whims and fancies cabinet idea with no benefit to those paying for it.
WE don't really need these works and all the costs that go with it. Looks just like another whims and fancies cabinet idea with no benefit to those paying for it. Lifetime Townie
  • Score: 2

5:18am Wed 12 Feb 14

BMD says...

Luther95 wrote:
BMD wrote: Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong. Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements) It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”) Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost) One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre) The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc) The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed. The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes)
A few facts (to help). The money for the ring-road scheme is nothing to do with the Council Tax. It is part of a grant received by the Tees Valley councils to make improvements for buses. It can only be spent for that purpose. If it is not fully spent by April 2015, it goes back down to London. I understand the work includes returning the stretch of road between Halfords and the Northgate roundabout to 2-lanes in each direction. I would have thought that was a move for motorists (and others) to celebrate. How many of the commentators here have acrtually seen the designs for the scheme?
The Labour Council reduced the two lanes to a single pedestrian controlled crossing between Halfords and M&S (although there is a pedestrian sub-way one hundred yards away)

The Labour Council also concreted over the filter lanes at Stonebridge and Yarm road; introduced a bus / taxi lanes and more pedestrian controlled crossings.

The Labour Council is correcting their previous massive mistakes that the residents have had to endure (Although they won’t admit it).

Are you naive, Darlington Labour Council handing money back to London - Hell would freeze over first!
[quote][p][bold]Luther95[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BMD[/bold] wrote: Surely the main issue is, the Labour Council has its priority’s wrong. Is the town centre really in need of these alterations? (I won’t categorise it as improvements) It is known that a roundabout allows the traffic to flow more smoothly than a traffic light system! (Mr Winstanley said: “There will be people sat at traffic lights but they will get through”) Traffic lights require more maintenance than a roundabout. (Added cost) One Year of disruption on one of the busiest roads in the town will inevitably drive people to out of town shopping. (It will be hard to encourage customers to return to the town centre) The previous Major Capital projects (MCP) this Labour council has embarked upon, have all been over budget, over-run, failed to implement a favourable contract and created more disruption. (Eastern Corridor, Pedestrian Heart Project, DfE project…etc) The roundabout on Haughton road has only fully functioned when the traffic lights failed. The Labour Council continually increases the council tax (just below the limit of a referendum) waste the tax-payers money on projects and services that are seldom used (Cycle Lanes)[/p][/quote]A few facts (to help). The money for the ring-road scheme is nothing to do with the Council Tax. It is part of a grant received by the Tees Valley councils to make improvements for buses. It can only be spent for that purpose. If it is not fully spent by April 2015, it goes back down to London. I understand the work includes returning the stretch of road between Halfords and the Northgate roundabout to 2-lanes in each direction. I would have thought that was a move for motorists (and others) to celebrate. How many of the commentators here have acrtually seen the designs for the scheme?[/p][/quote]The Labour Council reduced the two lanes to a single pedestrian controlled crossing between Halfords and M&S (although there is a pedestrian sub-way one hundred yards away) The Labour Council also concreted over the filter lanes at Stonebridge and Yarm road; introduced a bus / taxi lanes and more pedestrian controlled crossings. The Labour Council is correcting their previous massive mistakes that the residents have had to endure (Although they won’t admit it). Are you naive, Darlington Labour Council handing money back to London - Hell would freeze over first! BMD
  • Score: 3

8:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

LUSTARD says...

actually never mind what happened to the cross town join up from grange rd to bondgate it might be prudent to invest in a dingy and an outboard motor the way the water table is
actually never mind what happened to the cross town join up from grange rd to bondgate it might be prudent to invest in a dingy and an outboard motor the way the water table is LUSTARD
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Red rose lad says...

I hope that Mr Winstanley will have the good grace to come back and comment on the scheme once it is finished. My personal view is that it will be an abject failure from the motorist's perspective. It would be great if Mr Winstanley would also comment on the big hedges planted on the central reservations approaching the roundabout which have obviously and deliberately slowed the traffic down by restricting the motorists vision. Would he also let us know the name of the person who came up with this stunning idea.
I hope that Mr Winstanley will have the good grace to come back and comment on the scheme once it is finished. My personal view is that it will be an abject failure from the motorist's perspective. It would be great if Mr Winstanley would also comment on the big hedges planted on the central reservations approaching the roundabout which have obviously and deliberately slowed the traffic down by restricting the motorists vision. Would he also let us know the name of the person who came up with this stunning idea. Red rose lad
  • Score: 3

9:31pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loan_star says...

This has every chance of being Throughabout Mk 2.
I doubt it will be a success and hopefully if it is the failure its expected to be then this ruling council will be kicked out on their arses for wasting yet more millions of OUR money on hair brained schemes.
This has every chance of being Throughabout Mk 2. I doubt it will be a success and hopefully if it is the failure its expected to be then this ruling council will be kicked out on their arses for wasting yet more millions of OUR money on hair brained schemes. loan_star
  • Score: 3

10:38pm Thu 13 Feb 14

HSC says...

I think the big news here is how many under employed traffic managers and town planners there are in Darlington. All of whom have consulted their extensive computer modelling of this junction and applied their vast experience of traffic flow in conurbations and given us DBC all this free consultation.

It beggars belief that these keyboard warriors think that their idle boorish opinions are in any way valid.
I think the big news here is how many under employed traffic managers and town planners there are in Darlington. All of whom have consulted their extensive computer modelling of this junction and applied their vast experience of traffic flow in conurbations and given us DBC all this free consultation. It beggars belief that these keyboard warriors think that their idle boorish opinions are in any way valid. HSC
  • Score: 2

10:17am Fri 14 Feb 14

Lifetime Townie says...

Red rose lad wrote:
I hope that Mr Winstanley will have the good grace to come back and comment on the scheme once it is finished. My personal view is that it will be an abject failure from the motorist's perspective. It would be great if Mr Winstanley would also comment on the big hedges planted on the central reservations approaching the roundabout which have obviously and deliberately slowed the traffic down by restricting the motorists vision. Would he also let us know the name of the person who came up with this stunning idea.
It is a daft idea to restrict drivers view at roundabouts. Could well cause accidents.There are many roundabouts in the county that have overgrown vegetation on them causing restricted driver views so that they cannot see what other vehicles are on the roundabout. Weird? Drivers should always have the best possible view of the road ahead so they can plan their driving.
[quote][p][bold]Red rose lad[/bold] wrote: I hope that Mr Winstanley will have the good grace to come back and comment on the scheme once it is finished. My personal view is that it will be an abject failure from the motorist's perspective. It would be great if Mr Winstanley would also comment on the big hedges planted on the central reservations approaching the roundabout which have obviously and deliberately slowed the traffic down by restricting the motorists vision. Would he also let us know the name of the person who came up with this stunning idea.[/p][/quote]It is a daft idea to restrict drivers view at roundabouts. Could well cause accidents.There are many roundabouts in the county that have overgrown vegetation on them causing restricted driver views so that they cannot see what other vehicles are on the roundabout. Weird? Drivers should always have the best possible view of the road ahead so they can plan their driving. Lifetime Townie
  • Score: 4

4:16pm Fri 14 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

HSC wrote:
I think the big news here is how many under employed traffic managers and town planners there are in Darlington. All of whom have consulted their extensive computer modelling of this junction and applied their vast experience of traffic flow in conurbations and given us DBC all this free consultation.

It beggars belief that these keyboard warriors think that their idle boorish opinions are in any way valid.
You don't need to be a genius to work some things out. Like the fact that the proposed works on this roundabout are a complete waste of money and the project will be a complete failure.
[quote][p][bold]HSC[/bold] wrote: I think the big news here is how many under employed traffic managers and town planners there are in Darlington. All of whom have consulted their extensive computer modelling of this junction and applied their vast experience of traffic flow in conurbations and given us DBC all this free consultation. It beggars belief that these keyboard warriors think that their idle boorish opinions are in any way valid.[/p][/quote]You don't need to be a genius to work some things out. Like the fact that the proposed works on this roundabout are a complete waste of money and the project will be a complete failure. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 1

4:34pm Fri 14 Feb 14

loan_star says...

Is there anyone, other than those in DBC, who think this scheme will make any difference what so ever? Until the through about issue is solved, traffic will always tail back to the ring road causing delays there.
Is there anyone, other than those in DBC, who think this scheme will make any difference what so ever? Until the through about issue is solved, traffic will always tail back to the ring road causing delays there. loan_star
  • Score: 1

10:08am Sat 15 Feb 14

Red rose lad says...

HSC wrote:
I think the big news here is how many under employed traffic managers and town planners there are in Darlington. All of whom have consulted their extensive computer modelling of this junction and applied their vast experience of traffic flow in conurbations and given us DBC all this free consultation.

It beggars belief that these keyboard warriors think that their idle boorish opinions are in any way valid.
If I read your post correctly, the "us" indicates that you are employed by DBC. Maybe you should use some of these "under-employed traffic managers and town planners" as there seem to be few of any competence in the correct positions at present. You can sit there all day running your computer models but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Turn your computer off and get your butt into a car and sit in the slow moving traffic until the penny drops.This is another example of the utter contempt which views of taxpayers are held by those within DBC. PS - Sorry to inflict my idle boorish opinion on you. My consultancy invoice is in the post.
[quote][p][bold]HSC[/bold] wrote: I think the big news here is how many under employed traffic managers and town planners there are in Darlington. All of whom have consulted their extensive computer modelling of this junction and applied their vast experience of traffic flow in conurbations and given us DBC all this free consultation. It beggars belief that these keyboard warriors think that their idle boorish opinions are in any way valid.[/p][/quote]If I read your post correctly, the "us" indicates that you are employed by DBC. Maybe you should use some of these "under-employed traffic managers and town planners" as there seem to be few of any competence in the correct positions at present. You can sit there all day running your computer models but the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Turn your computer off and get your butt into a car and sit in the slow moving traffic until the penny drops.This is another example of the utter contempt which views of taxpayers are held by those within DBC. PS - Sorry to inflict my idle boorish opinion on you. My consultancy invoice is in the post. Red rose lad
  • Score: 3

2:03pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Jan Van-Winkel says...

So, how come when the ring road was initially narrowed between the Halfords and M&S roundabouts, their answer to my question of "why" was that it was an EU Directive? I was told that it was a legal requirement owing to the mandatory 'Refuge Space' required by such a crossing. If that was correct then how can they now ignore it? Or, are we to lose the crossing point altogether? Third option, of course, is feed the townsfolk whatever drivel you can get away with and please yourself.
So, how come when the ring road was initially narrowed between the Halfords and M&S roundabouts, their answer to my question of "why" was that it was an EU Directive? I was told that it was a legal requirement owing to the mandatory 'Refuge Space' required by such a crossing. If that was correct then how can they now ignore it? Or, are we to lose the crossing point altogether? Third option, of course, is feed the townsfolk whatever drivel you can get away with and please yourself. Jan Van-Winkel
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