Parking in Darlington must be more 'car-friendly', councillors agree

Parking in Darlington must be more 'car-friendly', councillors agree

Parking in Darlington must be more 'car-friendly', councillors agree

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PARKING in Darlington should be better managed to make the town more car friendly and attract more shoppers, councillors have said.

Members of Darlington Borough Council’s place scrutiny committee agreed that radical change to improve parking and to encourage people to use public transport was necessary, but that becoming ‘car haters’ was not an option.

Consultation on the future of parking in Darlington was carried out last summer for a long-term strategy for parking in the town centre and residents’ parking zones.

A large number of respondents to the consultation called for free parking in the town centre, at least for the first three hours, but the committee agreed that was not a feasible option, as the income is needed to maintain car parks and the highways.

Owen Wilson, the council’s lead officer for the parking strategy, said parking charges had not been increased since 2009, which meant the cost of paying to park in Darlington had fallen by 15 per cent in real terms. Pay on foot car parks, where people to pay on the return to their car, also proved popular with the public in the consultation.

The system will be introduced in the proposed new multi-storey car park in Beaumont Street, but Mr Wilson said it would be too expensive to implement retrospectively in the existing car parks.

Members discussed congestion in Darlington and agreed that parking and the highways network did not always make the town look attractive or welcoming to motorists.

Coun Richard Grundy, member for Faverdale, said: “We want the town to be beautiful to attract people here but if they can’t park their cars they are not going to come.

“It’s about managing it so we make the town attractive so people want to come, but with well thought out parking so they can come.

“We need to be radical and car-friendly, not radical and car haters because that’s the biggest turn-off for people going to towns.”

Councillor Dot Long, member for Northgate, said: “We have inherited the layout of the town and it is terribly difficult to retrofit a town to make it suitable for cycling, pedestrians and motorists.”

The parking strategy will be discussed further by the council’s cabinet and the full council before it is passed and implemented.

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2:35pm Sat 8 Feb 14

foss says...

Darlington was far more appealing for car drivers when parking was 3 hours for the price of 2 - £2. Then they knocked that on the head AND started charging for Sunday parking too, even though there are barely any shops left in Darlington town centre as it is, let alone shops that are open on a Sunday. And so I stopped visiting and went elsewhere. Why would people pay that much money for a few shops when they can go to an out of town retail park full of stores and park for free all day?
Darlington was far more appealing for car drivers when parking was 3 hours for the price of 2 - £2. Then they knocked that on the head AND started charging for Sunday parking too, even though there are barely any shops left in Darlington town centre as it is, let alone shops that are open on a Sunday. And so I stopped visiting and went elsewhere. Why would people pay that much money for a few shops when they can go to an out of town retail park full of stores and park for free all day? foss
  • Score: 25

3:53pm Sat 8 Feb 14

pixie4612 says...

I really think Sunday parking should be free, if only to help prevent drink driving on a Saturday night - it is very helpful if you can park in the town, leave your car overnight and collect later the next day.
I am very pleased that they have decided to keep Cockerton parking free - I would however like them to also keep the library there so that people will still visit Cockerton!
I agree that parking in Darlington is cheaper than elsewhere like Newcastle, Durham etc but that is because there isn't as much here to look at or shop at anymore. It needs to be cheaper for this very reason.
I firmly believe that for the shops to survive we need to encourage people to visit the town and free/cheap parking would do this.
If I could park for free after 5pm I would use the Dolphin Centre gym for example which would help bring money in to the council still. We shouldn't only look at the income generated by parking, we should also look at the opportunites for growth in the town centre made by a cheaper parking offer.
I really think Sunday parking should be free, if only to help prevent drink driving on a Saturday night - it is very helpful if you can park in the town, leave your car overnight and collect later the next day. I am very pleased that they have decided to keep Cockerton parking free - I would however like them to also keep the library there so that people will still visit Cockerton! I agree that parking in Darlington is cheaper than elsewhere like Newcastle, Durham etc but that is because there isn't as much here to look at or shop at anymore. It needs to be cheaper for this very reason. I firmly believe that for the shops to survive we need to encourage people to visit the town and free/cheap parking would do this. If I could park for free after 5pm I would use the Dolphin Centre gym for example which would help bring money in to the council still. We shouldn't only look at the income generated by parking, we should also look at the opportunites for growth in the town centre made by a cheaper parking offer. pixie4612
  • Score: 13

3:57pm Sat 8 Feb 14

BMD says...

Darlington Councilors have at last recognised that the previous car parking policy was flawed - as Coun Richard Grundy notes: "Car haters"

The penny has dropped and some councilors now realise they can’t attract private business or compete with out of town retail parks.
Therefore a shortfall in business rate council tax, empty shops and market stalls littered on the town Centre pavements.

The Labour controlled council policy of encouraging public transportation by harassing and overcharging the car drivers. Plus the shameful meddling of the inner road system has only led to the slow death of the Town Centre – Expect more Tumbleweed
Darlington Councilors have at last recognised that the previous car parking policy was flawed - as Coun Richard Grundy notes: "Car haters" The penny has dropped and some councilors now realise they can’t attract private business or compete with out of town retail parks. Therefore a shortfall in business rate council tax, empty shops and market stalls littered on the town Centre pavements. The Labour controlled council policy of encouraging public transportation by harassing and overcharging the car drivers. Plus the shameful meddling of the inner road system has only led to the slow death of the Town Centre – Expect more Tumbleweed BMD
  • Score: 10

3:57pm Sat 8 Feb 14

joedarlo45 says...

Having read the article......am not sure exactly what they are going to implement in the short term, to make Darlington more car friendly, as most suggestions have been knocked back....
Having read the article......am not sure exactly what they are going to implement in the short term, to make Darlington more car friendly, as most suggestions have been knocked back.... joedarlo45
  • Score: 3

4:22pm Sat 8 Feb 14

grandmab says...

We could use park and ride. This would generate more parking and get the cars out of the town center where driving is, quite frankly, a nightmare. I personally use public transport but usually use it to go elsewhere than Darlington because they do not have a bus station and the stands the way they are are inconvenient and make it difficult to find your bus if you are not a regular user. This council and the last 10 or so have done their best to ruin this once attractive town.
We could use park and ride. This would generate more parking and get the cars out of the town center where driving is, quite frankly, a nightmare. I personally use public transport but usually use it to go elsewhere than Darlington because they do not have a bus station and the stands the way they are are inconvenient and make it difficult to find your bus if you are not a regular user. This council and the last 10 or so have done their best to ruin this once attractive town. grandmab
  • Score: 15

4:37pm Sat 8 Feb 14

MSG says...

Darlington is a car hating town. They have extended the town hall onto a car park, they are now building a cinema on a car park. The multi-story is a dream.

The proposed changes to the ring road are pro-bus and anti-car.

Middlesbrough is 2 hours free and Teesside Park/ cinema/ ten pin bowling is free.

Darlington has to be 2 hours free Mon to Sat and free on Sundays or our town centre will die !
Darlington is a car hating town. They have extended the town hall onto a car park, they are now building a cinema on a car park. The multi-story is a dream. The proposed changes to the ring road are pro-bus and anti-car. Middlesbrough is 2 hours free and Teesside Park/ cinema/ ten pin bowling is free. Darlington has to be 2 hours free Mon to Sat and free on Sundays or our town centre will die ! MSG
  • Score: 17

4:48pm Sat 8 Feb 14

myecho says...

Stockton Council seems to have the same car-hater policy. They have ruined the town for shopping, and are about to ruin Yarm as well. Who wants to pay to go shopping, it is expensive enough, and there are plenty of out-of-town alternatives that are free. Free parking is a public service which must be protected at all costs if we want to retain our town centres. Then the revenue will come from local business taxes, rather than having empty premisses and charity shops.
Stockton Council seems to have the same car-hater policy. They have ruined the town for shopping, and are about to ruin Yarm as well. Who wants to pay to go shopping, it is expensive enough, and there are plenty of out-of-town alternatives that are free. Free parking is a public service which must be protected at all costs if we want to retain our town centres. Then the revenue will come from local business taxes, rather than having empty premisses and charity shops. myecho
  • Score: 11

5:09pm Sat 8 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

It wont matter what what stupid schemes the little hitlers in the council come up with. The damage to this town from years of anti-car policies have caused irrevocable damage. This town has been in decline for years and no pathetic peace meal token handout will make the slightest bit of difference.

You're much better off driving elsewhere - Middlesbrough, Stockton, Northallerton - anywhere but here. As far as a shopping experience goes, this town sucks big time. Years of Labour rule have all but destroyed the place.

Roll on the elections where we can only pray that the people vote this lot out.
It wont matter what what stupid schemes the little hitlers in the council come up with. The damage to this town from years of anti-car policies have caused irrevocable damage. This town has been in decline for years and no pathetic peace meal token handout will make the slightest bit of difference. You're much better off driving elsewhere - Middlesbrough, Stockton, Northallerton - anywhere but here. As far as a shopping experience goes, this town sucks big time. Years of Labour rule have all but destroyed the place. Roll on the elections where we can only pray that the people vote this lot out. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 17

5:12pm Sat 8 Feb 14

loan_star says...

It was this council that blocked off one lane on the inner ring road causing congestion. They also blocked off a filter lane going the other way that added to congestion. Now they want to dig all that up and put more traffic lights in spoiling traffic flow. Dot Long should realise its her parties policies that have forced us into a situation where a "retrofit" is required. The only retrofit we need is to get the road system back to how it was before they started fiddling on with it and to change that stupid through about into a proper roundabout. Then we would see congestion ease and perhaps more people would want to shop in Darlington!
It was this council that blocked off one lane on the inner ring road causing congestion. They also blocked off a filter lane going the other way that added to congestion. Now they want to dig all that up and put more traffic lights in spoiling traffic flow. Dot Long should realise its her parties policies that have forced us into a situation where a "retrofit" is required. The only retrofit we need is to get the road system back to how it was before they started fiddling on with it and to change that stupid through about into a proper roundabout. Then we would see congestion ease and perhaps more people would want to shop in Darlington! loan_star
  • Score: 12

6:34pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Got Ya says...

Durham found the answer to their problem........Park and Ride. Everybody loves it.
Durham found the answer to their problem........Park and Ride. Everybody loves it. Got Ya
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Sat 8 Feb 14

oliviaden6 says...

This council and ITS LEADERS/Officers have treated with distain the motorists/shoppers and only took our hard earned money. They are no worse than highwaymen. If they change the pricing regime now it will be too little too late, the damage has been done. The council with Bill and his Buddies should hang their collective heads in shame the way they treat the people of Darlington.
This council and ITS LEADERS/Officers have treated with distain the motorists/shoppers and only took our hard earned money. They are no worse than highwaymen. If they change the pricing regime now it will be too little too late, the damage has been done. The council with Bill and his Buddies should hang their collective heads in shame the way they treat the people of Darlington. oliviaden6
  • Score: 14

7:22pm Sat 8 Feb 14

DarloXman says...

Got Ya wrote:
Durham found the answer to their problem........Park and Ride. Everybody loves it.
Could be the solution to several problems!

Could be a new use for the Airport - with Middleton St George then having a decent bus service into Darlington for a change!
[quote][p][bold]Got Ya[/bold] wrote: Durham found the answer to their problem........Park and Ride. Everybody loves it.[/p][/quote]Could be the solution to several problems! Could be a new use for the Airport - with Middleton St George then having a decent bus service into Darlington for a change! DarloXman
  • Score: 1

7:32pm Sat 8 Feb 14

harry2 says...

Normally when the council say there hasn't been a rise in charges for a few years a rise is going to follow. We will see.
Normally when the council say there hasn't been a rise in charges for a few years a rise is going to follow. We will see. harry2
  • Score: 6

10:29pm Sat 8 Feb 14

martinjw says...

Building a cinema on one car park and the new education offices on another is not going to help parking either.
Building a cinema on one car park and the new education offices on another is not going to help parking either. martinjw
  • Score: 10

9:09am Sun 9 Feb 14

jps101 says...

Quote "A large number of respondents to the consultation called for free parking in the town centre, at least for the first three hours, but the committee agreed that was not a feasible option, as the income is needed to maintain car parks and the highways."

My question is this, Why does Teeside Park get along alright without income to maintain the car parks and the highways to get to them?
Quote "A large number of respondents to the consultation called for free parking in the town centre, at least for the first three hours, but the committee agreed that was not a feasible option, as the income is needed to maintain car parks and the highways." My question is this, Why does Teeside Park get along alright without income to maintain the car parks and the highways to get to them? jps101
  • Score: 9

9:36am Sun 9 Feb 14

Speedyguy says...

I have started shopping in Richmond instead of Darlington.
Free disc parking means I can get 2 hours for free, in the market place.
Enough time for a bit of shopping, then a spot of lunch.

Car park charges have pushed my away from my own local town.
Such a shame.
I have started shopping in Richmond instead of Darlington. Free disc parking means I can get 2 hours for free, in the market place. Enough time for a bit of shopping, then a spot of lunch. Car park charges have pushed my away from my own local town. Such a shame. Speedyguy
  • Score: 8

9:39am Sun 9 Feb 14

Daveindarlo says...

It's no use saying parking has fallen by comparing it against inflation, shoppers don't do that. They compare it against against other town centres, such as Middlesbrough where some free parking has been introduced so Darlington now looks more expensive.
Times are different now, online shopping is very easy for people, so shops have to work hard to attract people and town centres need to follow through and support them.
The labour council ignores shoppers, shop owners, pretty much everyone, choosing to keep the coffers paying the bureaucrats at town hall at the expense of the local economy.
It's no use saying parking has fallen by comparing it against inflation, shoppers don't do that. They compare it against against other town centres, such as Middlesbrough where some free parking has been introduced so Darlington now looks more expensive. Times are different now, online shopping is very easy for people, so shops have to work hard to attract people and town centres need to follow through and support them. The labour council ignores shoppers, shop owners, pretty much everyone, choosing to keep the coffers paying the bureaucrats at town hall at the expense of the local economy. Daveindarlo
  • Score: 12

10:00am Sun 9 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

Daveindarlo wrote:
It's no use saying parking has fallen by comparing it against inflation, shoppers don't do that. They compare it against against other town centres, such as Middlesbrough where some free parking has been introduced so Darlington now looks more expensive.
Times are different now, online shopping is very easy for people, so shops have to work hard to attract people and town centres need to follow through and support them.
The labour council ignores shoppers, shop owners, pretty much everyone, choosing to keep the coffers paying the bureaucrats at town hall at the expense of the local economy.
Not only is Middlesbrough much better value for money regarding parking - It's a far better shopping experience too.

It's a no-brainer! Go to Middlesbrough or Teeside Park to shop. Give this council the only message they will ever understand. Stop using the town and go elsewhere. When the town is finally on it's knees and desolate, they will understand fully, the consequences of their anti-car policies.
[quote][p][bold]Daveindarlo[/bold] wrote: It's no use saying parking has fallen by comparing it against inflation, shoppers don't do that. They compare it against against other town centres, such as Middlesbrough where some free parking has been introduced so Darlington now looks more expensive. Times are different now, online shopping is very easy for people, so shops have to work hard to attract people and town centres need to follow through and support them. The labour council ignores shoppers, shop owners, pretty much everyone, choosing to keep the coffers paying the bureaucrats at town hall at the expense of the local economy.[/p][/quote]Not only is Middlesbrough much better value for money regarding parking - It's a far better shopping experience too. It's a no-brainer! Go to Middlesbrough or Teeside Park to shop. Give this council the only message they will ever understand. Stop using the town and go elsewhere. When the town is finally on it's knees and desolate, they will understand fully, the consequences of their anti-car policies. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 10

10:02am Sun 9 Feb 14

Copley23 says...

Erm, besides my dentist, I'm still struggling to think what there IS in Darlington anymore worth visiting.
Erm, besides my dentist, I'm still struggling to think what there IS in Darlington anymore worth visiting. Copley23
  • Score: 9

10:12am Sun 9 Feb 14

David Lacey says...

DarloXman wrote:
Got Ya wrote:
Durham found the answer to their problem........Park and Ride. Everybody loves it.
Could be the solution to several problems!

Could be a new use for the Airport - with Middleton St George then having a decent bus service into Darlington for a change!
Hey there DarloXman. Good to see you back. I think you were the correspondent who "outed" Louise. If so - well done. Now we have "John Durham" who has a remarkably similar style. Any chance of a repeat exposure. Here's hoping.
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Got Ya[/bold] wrote: Durham found the answer to their problem........Park and Ride. Everybody loves it.[/p][/quote]Could be the solution to several problems! Could be a new use for the Airport - with Middleton St George then having a decent bus service into Darlington for a change![/p][/quote]Hey there DarloXman. Good to see you back. I think you were the correspondent who "outed" Louise. If so - well done. Now we have "John Durham" who has a remarkably similar style. Any chance of a repeat exposure. Here's hoping. David Lacey
  • Score: -6

11:09am Sun 9 Feb 14

AndrewNew says...

Car parking is becoming an increasingly irrelevant issue with regard to the decline of town centre shops and the Council (as is so often the case) are living in the past and arguing about yesterdays problem. On line shopping has continued the damage begun by the development of out of town 'shed' retail outlets. Darlington has to find alternative uses for retail units and encourage a range of options so the centre remains attractive. That said, the amount of space devoted to surface car parks is a disgrace and a multi-story approach is needed. Freed up areas could provide space for attractive town centre apartments and reduce the need for car parks as people could actually walk to where they want to be. On which point it's relevant to mention the recent announcement of DBC that they are looking at releasing yet more green belt land on the edge of town for housing. Unbelievable, yet sadly just another example of how this Council fail to join up the dots in planning for the future.
Car parking is becoming an increasingly irrelevant issue with regard to the decline of town centre shops and the Council (as is so often the case) are living in the past and arguing about yesterdays problem. On line shopping has continued the damage begun by the development of out of town 'shed' retail outlets. Darlington has to find alternative uses for retail units and encourage a range of options so the centre remains attractive. That said, the amount of space devoted to surface car parks is a disgrace and a multi-story approach is needed. Freed up areas could provide space for attractive town centre apartments and reduce the need for car parks as people could actually walk to where they want to be. On which point it's relevant to mention the recent announcement of DBC that they are looking at releasing yet more green belt land on the edge of town for housing. Unbelievable, yet sadly just another example of how this Council fail to join up the dots in planning for the future. AndrewNew
  • Score: 1

11:15am Sun 9 Feb 14

miketually says...

jps101 wrote:
Quote "A large number of respondents to the consultation called for free parking in the town centre, at least for the first three hours, but the committee agreed that was not a feasible option, as the income is needed to maintain car parks and the highways."

My question is this, Why does Teeside Park get along alright without income to maintain the car parks and the highways to get to them?
The income for the car parks at Teesside Park comes from the rent paid by the shops to the people who own all the buildings and car parks. The shops get the money from the shoppers.
[quote][p][bold]jps101[/bold] wrote: Quote "A large number of respondents to the consultation called for free parking in the town centre, at least for the first three hours, but the committee agreed that was not a feasible option, as the income is needed to maintain car parks and the highways." My question is this, Why does Teeside Park get along alright without income to maintain the car parks and the highways to get to them?[/p][/quote]The income for the car parks at Teesside Park comes from the rent paid by the shops to the people who own all the buildings and car parks. The shops get the money from the shoppers. miketually
  • Score: -3

11:18am Sun 9 Feb 14

miketually says...

Oh, if you want park and ride, park somewhere outside the town centre and get the bus in. If you use the Whinfield Asda car park, the bus will cost you £1.60 per person, each way. That's £4.80 for a family of four, for which you get the pleasure of sitting in traffic and unreliable buses; which is why we are happy to pay to park in the town centre.
Oh, if you want park and ride, park somewhere outside the town centre and get the bus in. If you use the Whinfield Asda car park, the bus will cost you £1.60 per person, each way. That's £4.80 for a family of four, for which you get the pleasure of sitting in traffic and unreliable buses; which is why we are happy to pay to park in the town centre. miketually
  • Score: 2

11:41am Sun 9 Feb 14

Daveindarlo says...

Park and rides not going to make one bit of difference. There would never be enough people from outside the town to use that and if you live here there's plenty of buses that'll take you to the corn ill. The fact is we are a nation of car lovers, it will take a lot to get us out of them, it no use trying to ram public transport down peoples throught as thr
Park and rides not going to make one bit of difference. There would never be enough people from outside the town to use that and if you live here there's plenty of buses that'll take you to the corn ill. The fact is we are a nation of car lovers, it will take a lot to get us out of them, it no use trying to ram public transport down peoples throught as thr Daveindarlo
  • Score: 4

11:57am Sun 9 Feb 14

gazza_d says...

Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine.

As for "inheriting the layout of the town centre" Isn't the council still labour controlled? Like it has been since time began. Or is Dot blaming the town planners from the middle ages.

Darlington is a compact almost circular layout, and with some investment car parks at Beaumont St, Gladstone st, it would be very easy to make the centre more pedestrian and cyclist friendly, whilst not alienating the motorist.

Separated cycling lanes coming in on the main radial routes (Northgate, Woodlands road, Grange road, Parkgate) would make the town much more attractive for people wanting to leave the car at home. Closing the small car parks in the yards and skinnergate for other than businesses would help massively as well.
Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine. As for "inheriting the layout of the town centre" Isn't the council still labour controlled? Like it has been since time began. Or is Dot blaming the town planners from the middle ages. Darlington is a compact almost circular layout, and with some investment car parks at Beaumont St, Gladstone st, it would be very easy to make the centre more pedestrian and cyclist friendly, whilst not alienating the motorist. Separated cycling lanes coming in on the main radial routes (Northgate, Woodlands road, Grange road, Parkgate) would make the town much more attractive for people wanting to leave the car at home. Closing the small car parks in the yards and skinnergate for other than businesses would help massively as well. gazza_d
  • Score: 1

1:20pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Speedyguy says...

gazza_d wrote:
Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine.

As for "inheriting the layout of the town centre" Isn't the council still labour controlled? Like it has been since time began. Or is Dot blaming the town planners from the middle ages.

Darlington is a compact almost circular layout, and with some investment car parks at Beaumont St, Gladstone st, it would be very easy to make the centre more pedestrian and cyclist friendly, whilst not alienating the motorist.

Separated cycling lanes coming in on the main radial routes (Northgate, Woodlands road, Grange road, Parkgate) would make the town much more attractive for people wanting to leave the car at home. Closing the small car parks in the yards and skinnergate for other than businesses would help massively as well.
gazza_d says... >>
Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine.
[quote][p][bold]gazza_d[/bold] wrote: Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine. As for "inheriting the layout of the town centre" Isn't the council still labour controlled? Like it has been since time began. Or is Dot blaming the town planners from the middle ages. Darlington is a compact almost circular layout, and with some investment car parks at Beaumont St, Gladstone st, it would be very easy to make the centre more pedestrian and cyclist friendly, whilst not alienating the motorist. Separated cycling lanes coming in on the main radial routes (Northgate, Woodlands road, Grange road, Parkgate) would make the town much more attractive for people wanting to leave the car at home. Closing the small car parks in the yards and skinnergate for other than businesses would help massively as well.[/p][/quote]gazza_d says... >> Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine. Speedyguy
  • Score: -1

1:53pm Sun 9 Feb 14

banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname says...

gazza_d wrote:
Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine.

As for "inheriting the layout of the town centre" Isn't the council still labour controlled? Like it has been since time began. Or is Dot blaming the town planners from the middle ages.

Darlington is a compact almost circular layout, and with some investment car parks at Beaumont St, Gladstone st, it would be very easy to make the centre more pedestrian and cyclist friendly, whilst not alienating the motorist.

Separated cycling lanes coming in on the main radial routes (Northgate, Woodlands road, Grange road, Parkgate) would make the town much more attractive for people wanting to leave the car at home. Closing the small car parks in the yards and skinnergate for other than businesses would help massively as well.
The travelling costs to other towns are a price worth paying for a better shopping experience. That's the point! - It's not only about the cost of parking.

In the case of Darlington, parking costs are way higher than they should be for a very poor shopping experience.
[quote][p][bold]gazza_d[/bold] wrote: Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine. As for "inheriting the layout of the town centre" Isn't the council still labour controlled? Like it has been since time began. Or is Dot blaming the town planners from the middle ages. Darlington is a compact almost circular layout, and with some investment car parks at Beaumont St, Gladstone st, it would be very easy to make the centre more pedestrian and cyclist friendly, whilst not alienating the motorist. Separated cycling lanes coming in on the main radial routes (Northgate, Woodlands road, Grange road, Parkgate) would make the town much more attractive for people wanting to leave the car at home. Closing the small car parks in the yards and skinnergate for other than businesses would help massively as well.[/p][/quote]The travelling costs to other towns are a price worth paying for a better shopping experience. That's the point! - It's not only about the cost of parking. In the case of Darlington, parking costs are way higher than they should be for a very poor shopping experience. banmeandilljustregisterwithanewname
  • Score: 8

1:57pm Sun 9 Feb 14

foss says...

Got Ya wrote:
Durham found the answer to their problem........Park and Ride. Everybody loves it.
Yes but there are actually enough shops and other things to do in Durham to make people want to pay for/use a park and ride. Darlington... not so much.
[quote][p][bold]Got Ya[/bold] wrote: Durham found the answer to their problem........Park and Ride. Everybody loves it.[/p][/quote]Yes but there are actually enough shops and other things to do in Durham to make people want to pay for/use a park and ride. Darlington... not so much. foss
  • Score: 5

2:00pm Sun 9 Feb 14

foss says...

gazza_d wrote:
Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine.

As for "inheriting the layout of the town centre" Isn't the council still labour controlled? Like it has been since time began. Or is Dot blaming the town planners from the middle ages.

Darlington is a compact almost circular layout, and with some investment car parks at Beaumont St, Gladstone st, it would be very easy to make the centre more pedestrian and cyclist friendly, whilst not alienating the motorist.

Separated cycling lanes coming in on the main radial routes (Northgate, Woodlands road, Grange road, Parkgate) would make the town much more attractive for people wanting to leave the car at home. Closing the small car parks in the yards and skinnergate for other than businesses would help massively as well.
Yes but there's actually enough in Richmond or Teesside to make the extra fuel worthwhile. Darlington has virtually nothing to justify any parking expense.
[quote][p][bold]gazza_d[/bold] wrote: Love the comments about driving to Richmond or Teesside for the free parking, nicely ignoring the point that you spend much more in fuel than you would put in a parking machine. As for "inheriting the layout of the town centre" Isn't the council still labour controlled? Like it has been since time began. Or is Dot blaming the town planners from the middle ages. Darlington is a compact almost circular layout, and with some investment car parks at Beaumont St, Gladstone st, it would be very easy to make the centre more pedestrian and cyclist friendly, whilst not alienating the motorist. Separated cycling lanes coming in on the main radial routes (Northgate, Woodlands road, Grange road, Parkgate) would make the town much more attractive for people wanting to leave the car at home. Closing the small car parks in the yards and skinnergate for other than businesses would help massively as well.[/p][/quote]Yes but there's actually enough in Richmond or Teesside to make the extra fuel worthwhile. Darlington has virtually nothing to justify any parking expense. foss
  • Score: 6

3:28pm Sun 9 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

Do what they have done ***already in some British Cities, start a new business and ' actually create more employment (get some of the diehard workshy 'long termers' off the Dole Benefit System) 'by bringing into service a *****Pedal Assisted RICKSHAW TRANSPORT SERVICE.'. Failing that set up 'Shoe Shine Stands' on the main streets of both North East Towns and Darlington, ........again the long term unemployed can 'polish the shoes' (for a fee of course) of passing pedestrians. They have had the 'latter service' in the 'USA and some Europeon Cities' for years. So why NOT HERE ?. They actually **EARN a living instead of some *begging on the streets, creating work and getting 'unemployed off their butts' doing worthwhile work., instead of paying them in free state benefits for doing nothing..
Do what they have done ***already in some British Cities, start a new business and ' actually create more employment (get some of the diehard workshy 'long termers' off the Dole Benefit System) 'by bringing into service a *****Pedal Assisted RICKSHAW TRANSPORT SERVICE.'. Failing that set up 'Shoe Shine Stands' on the main streets of both North East Towns and Darlington, ........again the long term unemployed can 'polish the shoes' (for a fee of course) of passing pedestrians. They have had the 'latter service' in the 'USA and some Europeon Cities' for years. So why NOT HERE ?. They actually **EARN a living instead of some *begging on the streets, creating work and getting 'unemployed off their butts' doing worthwhile work., instead of paying them in free state benefits for doing nothing.. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -1

4:03pm Sun 9 Feb 14

jps101 says...

miketually wrote:
jps101 wrote:
Quote "A large number of respondents to the consultation called for free parking in the town centre, at least for the first three hours, but the committee agreed that was not a feasible option, as the income is needed to maintain car parks and the highways."

My question is this, Why does Teeside Park get along alright without income to maintain the car parks and the highways to get to them?
The income for the car parks at Teesside Park comes from the rent paid by the shops to the people who own all the buildings and car parks. The shops get the money from the shoppers.
Well ok - The shops get the money from the shoppers to pay for the car parks.
Then why is it no more expensive for me to do an identical shop at M&S Darlington and M&S Teeside Park?

I suspect its because instead of just taking money off motorists and using it to pay for Car Parks and Highways DBC scam us motorists into paying for all sorts of other things unrelated to parking.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jps101[/bold] wrote: Quote "A large number of respondents to the consultation called for free parking in the town centre, at least for the first three hours, but the committee agreed that was not a feasible option, as the income is needed to maintain car parks and the highways." My question is this, Why does Teeside Park get along alright without income to maintain the car parks and the highways to get to them?[/p][/quote]The income for the car parks at Teesside Park comes from the rent paid by the shops to the people who own all the buildings and car parks. The shops get the money from the shoppers.[/p][/quote]Well ok - The shops get the money from the shoppers to pay for the car parks. Then why is it no more expensive for me to do an identical shop at M&S Darlington and M&S Teeside Park? I suspect its because instead of just taking money off motorists and using it to pay for Car Parks and Highways DBC scam us motorists into paying for all sorts of other things unrelated to parking. jps101
  • Score: 4

4:51pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

miketually wrote:
jps101 wrote:
Quote "A large number of respondents to the consultation called for free parking in the town centre, at least for the first three hours, but the committee agreed that was not a feasible option, as the income is needed to maintain car parks and the highways."

My question is this, Why does Teeside Park get along alright without income to maintain the car parks and the highways to get to them?
The income for the car parks at Teesside Park comes from the rent paid by the shops to the people who own all the buildings and car parks. The shops get the money from the shoppers.
Can't say the prices in Teesside Park are any more expensive than in Darlington. In fact there is a better choice and more bargains to be found.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jps101[/bold] wrote: Quote "A large number of respondents to the consultation called for free parking in the town centre, at least for the first three hours, but the committee agreed that was not a feasible option, as the income is needed to maintain car parks and the highways." My question is this, Why does Teeside Park get along alright without income to maintain the car parks and the highways to get to them?[/p][/quote]The income for the car parks at Teesside Park comes from the rent paid by the shops to the people who own all the buildings and car parks. The shops get the money from the shoppers.[/p][/quote]Can't say the prices in Teesside Park are any more expensive than in Darlington. In fact there is a better choice and more bargains to be found. Homshaw1
  • Score: 8

5:03pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

miketually wrote:
Oh, if you want park and ride, park somewhere outside the town centre and get the bus in. If you use the Whinfield Asda car park, the bus will cost you £1.60 per person, each way. That's £4.80 for a family of four, for which you get the pleasure of sitting in traffic and unreliable buses; which is why we are happy to pay to park in the town centre.
It's a lot easier and less expensive just to go somewhere else which is a lot friendlier to visitors.

The Darlington Town Centre manager pedals this rubbish when he tries to justify the BID scheme. It would be true if Darlington was the only shopping centre in the area but it isn't.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: Oh, if you want park and ride, park somewhere outside the town centre and get the bus in. If you use the Whinfield Asda car park, the bus will cost you £1.60 per person, each way. That's £4.80 for a family of four, for which you get the pleasure of sitting in traffic and unreliable buses; which is why we are happy to pay to park in the town centre.[/p][/quote]It's a lot easier and less expensive just to go somewhere else which is a lot friendlier to visitors. The Darlington Town Centre manager pedals this rubbish when he tries to justify the BID scheme. It would be true if Darlington was the only shopping centre in the area but it isn't. Homshaw1
  • Score: 9

6:45pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Border Terrier says...

I am glad I can walk into the town centre, because if I had to pay to park I would not be happy at all.All I can see now are hoardings where shops used to be. Keep your money in your pocket. Online shopping is the best thing to do.
Darlington shopping is absolute rubbish.Its a good job there are pound shops!
I am glad I can walk into the town centre, because if I had to pay to park I would not be happy at all.All I can see now are hoardings where shops used to be. Keep your money in your pocket. Online shopping is the best thing to do. Darlington shopping is absolute rubbish.Its a good job there are pound shops! Border Terrier
  • Score: 4

10:23pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Jackaranda says...

miketually wrote:
Oh, if you want park and ride, park somewhere outside the town centre and get the bus in. If you use the Whinfield Asda car park, the bus will cost you £1.60 per person, each way. That's £4.80 for a family of four, for which you get the pleasure of sitting in traffic and unreliable buses; which is why we are happy to pay to park in the town centre.
You forgot to say "And be driven into town by a person who has a face like a smacked arse!!"
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: Oh, if you want park and ride, park somewhere outside the town centre and get the bus in. If you use the Whinfield Asda car park, the bus will cost you £1.60 per person, each way. That's £4.80 for a family of four, for which you get the pleasure of sitting in traffic and unreliable buses; which is why we are happy to pay to park in the town centre.[/p][/quote]You forgot to say "And be driven into town by a person who has a face like a smacked arse!!" Jackaranda
  • Score: 3

2:56am Mon 10 Feb 14

SirLance says...

If the coin machines in the car parks were more 'user friendly' ---working correctly then perhaps center town parking would become better considered? I struggled in the cold freezing rain trying to get the one pound coins to register! This was happening to others in the QUEUE!. One guy in front of me actually asked if i had a pound coin I could exchange for his as his coin 'wouldn't work' -Well I had to scratch my head on that one? Why should I enlist his problem? A better or easier system to pay needs to be defined and implemented! My poor kids were frozen waiting for poor old dad to get the coins accepted!! By the way I was only going into town to spend money on various gifts and goods to take home where I live overseas! Incidentally most malls are underground drive in free parking in my 'adopted' new country of residence , they make Darlington seem so 'third world' when visiting!
If the coin machines in the car parks were more 'user friendly' ---working correctly then perhaps center town parking would become better considered? I struggled in the cold freezing rain trying to get the one pound coins to register! This was happening to others in the QUEUE!. One guy in front of me actually asked if i had a pound coin I could exchange for his as his coin 'wouldn't work' -Well I had to scratch my head on that one? Why should I enlist his problem? A better or easier system to pay needs to be defined and implemented! My poor kids were frozen waiting for poor old dad to get the coins accepted!! By the way I was only going into town to spend money on various gifts and goods to take home where I live overseas! Incidentally most malls are underground drive in free parking in my 'adopted' new country of residence , they make Darlington seem so 'third world' when visiting! SirLance
  • Score: 5

1:06pm Mon 10 Feb 14

oliviaden6 says...

SirLance wrote:
If the coin machines in the car parks were more 'user friendly' ---working correctly then perhaps center town parking would become better considered? I struggled in the cold freezing rain trying to get the one pound coins to register! This was happening to others in the QUEUE!. One guy in front of me actually asked if i had a pound coin I could exchange for his as his coin 'wouldn't work' -Well I had to scratch my head on that one? Why should I enlist his problem? A better or easier system to pay needs to be defined and implemented! My poor kids were frozen waiting for poor old dad to get the coins accepted!! By the way I was only going into town to spend money on various gifts and goods to take home where I live overseas! Incidentally most malls are underground drive in free parking in my 'adopted' new country of residence , they make Darlington seem so 'third world' when visiting!
Third world indeed run by a bunch of Highwaymen and Bandits who are strangling the life out of our town. All in the name of the Labour Party,
Mr ED and ALL BALLS have a lot to answer for as so do our esteemed buch of crooks.
[quote][p][bold]SirLance[/bold] wrote: If the coin machines in the car parks were more 'user friendly' ---working correctly then perhaps center town parking would become better considered? I struggled in the cold freezing rain trying to get the one pound coins to register! This was happening to others in the QUEUE!. One guy in front of me actually asked if i had a pound coin I could exchange for his as his coin 'wouldn't work' -Well I had to scratch my head on that one? Why should I enlist his problem? A better or easier system to pay needs to be defined and implemented! My poor kids were frozen waiting for poor old dad to get the coins accepted!! By the way I was only going into town to spend money on various gifts and goods to take home where I live overseas! Incidentally most malls are underground drive in free parking in my 'adopted' new country of residence , they make Darlington seem so 'third world' when visiting![/p][/quote]Third world indeed run by a bunch of Highwaymen and Bandits who are strangling the life out of our town. All in the name of the Labour Party, Mr ED and ALL BALLS have a lot to answer for as so do our esteemed buch of crooks. oliviaden6
  • Score: 2

1:08pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Rosvanian says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
Do what they have done ***already in some British Cities, start a new business and ' actually create more employment (get some of the diehard workshy 'long termers' off the Dole Benefit System) 'by bringing into service a *****Pedal Assisted RICKSHAW TRANSPORT SERVICE.'. Failing that set up 'Shoe Shine Stands' on the main streets of both North East Towns and Darlington, ........again the long term unemployed can 'polish the shoes' (for a fee of course) of passing pedestrians. They have had the 'latter service' in the 'USA and some Europeon Cities' for years. So why NOT HERE ?. They actually **EARN a living instead of some *begging on the streets, creating work and getting 'unemployed off their butts' doing worthwhile work., instead of paying them in free state benefits for doing nothing..
Oh no, it's the return of the Darlo Rickshaw Service - operated by teams enslaved, workshy benefit claiming trolls, presumably paid in tins of beans and pot noodles. An instant end to traffic problems, the infestation of beggars on the streets (although I must admit, I've never seen any of them) and unemployment! Failing that, how about state operated shoe shining stands? They could be paid in left -over Greggs pasties and Darlo would have the shiniest shoes in the country.
If only the politicians would listen!
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: Do what they have done ***already in some British Cities, start a new business and ' actually create more employment (get some of the diehard workshy 'long termers' off the Dole Benefit System) 'by bringing into service a *****Pedal Assisted RICKSHAW TRANSPORT SERVICE.'. Failing that set up 'Shoe Shine Stands' on the main streets of both North East Towns and Darlington, ........again the long term unemployed can 'polish the shoes' (for a fee of course) of passing pedestrians. They have had the 'latter service' in the 'USA and some Europeon Cities' for years. So why NOT HERE ?. They actually **EARN a living instead of some *begging on the streets, creating work and getting 'unemployed off their butts' doing worthwhile work., instead of paying them in free state benefits for doing nothing..[/p][/quote]Oh no, it's the return of the Darlo Rickshaw Service - operated by teams enslaved, workshy benefit claiming trolls, presumably paid in tins of beans and pot noodles. An instant end to traffic problems, the infestation of beggars on the streets (although I must admit, I've never seen any of them) and unemployment! Failing that, how about state operated shoe shining stands? They could be paid in left -over Greggs pasties and Darlo would have the shiniest shoes in the country. If only the politicians would listen! Rosvanian
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Rosvanian says...

oliviaden6 wrote:
SirLance wrote: If the coin machines in the car parks were more 'user friendly' ---working correctly then perhaps center town parking would become better considered? I struggled in the cold freezing rain trying to get the one pound coins to register! This was happening to others in the QUEUE!. One guy in front of me actually asked if i had a pound coin I could exchange for his as his coin 'wouldn't work' -Well I had to scratch my head on that one? Why should I enlist his problem? A better or easier system to pay needs to be defined and implemented! My poor kids were frozen waiting for poor old dad to get the coins accepted!! By the way I was only going into town to spend money on various gifts and goods to take home where I live overseas! Incidentally most malls are underground drive in free parking in my 'adopted' new country of residence , they make Darlington seem so 'third world' when visiting!
Third world indeed run by a bunch of Highwaymen and Bandits who are strangling the life out of our town. All in the name of the Labour Party, Mr ED and ALL BALLS have a lot to answer for as so do our esteemed buch of crooks.
oliviaden6,

you've never been to a third world country, have you?
[quote][p][bold]oliviaden6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SirLance[/bold] wrote: If the coin machines in the car parks were more 'user friendly' ---working correctly then perhaps center town parking would become better considered? I struggled in the cold freezing rain trying to get the one pound coins to register! This was happening to others in the QUEUE!. One guy in front of me actually asked if i had a pound coin I could exchange for his as his coin 'wouldn't work' -Well I had to scratch my head on that one? Why should I enlist his problem? A better or easier system to pay needs to be defined and implemented! My poor kids were frozen waiting for poor old dad to get the coins accepted!! By the way I was only going into town to spend money on various gifts and goods to take home where I live overseas! Incidentally most malls are underground drive in free parking in my 'adopted' new country of residence , they make Darlington seem so 'third world' when visiting![/p][/quote]Third world indeed run by a bunch of Highwaymen and Bandits who are strangling the life out of our town. All in the name of the Labour Party, Mr ED and ALL BALLS have a lot to answer for as so do our esteemed buch of crooks.[/p][/quote]oliviaden6, you've never been to a third world country, have you? Rosvanian
  • Score: -1

1:59pm Mon 10 Feb 14

JJ2000 says...

Shopping at Northallerton, Richmond, Teeside park, Barnard Castle may cost more in fuel, but what I make up in convenience and worry free shopping more than covers that issue.

Parking in Darlington = parking fee, not many shops and getting smaller, constantly looking at my watch to make sure I'm back before I'm fined. Therefore in and out within an hour.

Parking elsewhere = Initial free parking and paid time on top, various shops and curiosities, places to see and eat that are not burger joints, knowing that for the same parking price I've got 3+ hours. Therefore spend more time and spend more money and become more inclined to visit again.

Darlington is being choked into submission by red tape, outdated thinking,
nonsense plans and projects and extortionate costs and fees for public and business.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall to hear what the folk at DBC 'Really' want to do to this town.
Shopping at Northallerton, Richmond, Teeside park, Barnard Castle may cost more in fuel, but what I make up in convenience and worry free shopping more than covers that issue. Parking in Darlington = parking fee, not many shops and getting smaller, constantly looking at my watch to make sure I'm back before I'm fined. Therefore in and out within an hour. Parking elsewhere = Initial free parking and paid time on top, various shops and curiosities, places to see and eat that are not burger joints, knowing that for the same parking price I've got 3+ hours. Therefore spend more time and spend more money and become more inclined to visit again. Darlington is being choked into submission by red tape, outdated thinking, nonsense plans and projects and extortionate costs and fees for public and business. I'd love to be a fly on the wall to hear what the folk at DBC 'Really' want to do to this town. JJ2000
  • Score: 5

3:40pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Homshaw1 says...

Would it not be interesting to draw up a questionnaire for places like Middleton St George, Northallerton, Sadberge, Shildon etc - ie smaller nearby centres of population asking their shopping and leisure preferences and what they see as the advantages and disadvantages of different larger shopping centres?

If DBC is clued up it has probably already done this and has the information to hand and are acting on it.

The council may want to maximise revenues from parking but the customer is king and not giving them what they want is very short sighted
Would it not be interesting to draw up a questionnaire for places like Middleton St George, Northallerton, Sadberge, Shildon etc - ie smaller nearby centres of population asking their shopping and leisure preferences and what they see as the advantages and disadvantages of different larger shopping centres? If DBC is clued up it has probably already done this and has the information to hand and are acting on it. The council may want to maximise revenues from parking but the customer is king and not giving them what they want is very short sighted Homshaw1
  • Score: 2

6:51pm Mon 10 Feb 14

LUSTARD says...

invest in tnt ,royal mail etc, online shopping boom needs transport for goods,if nobodies noticed thats the future of your shopping experience, people are lazy, and a click of a button is so so easy.
invest in tnt ,royal mail etc, online shopping boom needs transport for goods,if nobodies noticed thats the future of your shopping experience, people are lazy, and a click of a button is so so easy. LUSTARD
  • Score: 2

10:03pm Mon 10 Feb 14

MSG says...

Lustard, I did invest in Royal Mail and probably will benefit from the Darlington Borough Council car hating high car parking charge policies that are destroying our town. More people will click for home delivery.

I hope that the RM will also deliver the termination of employment letters that Burns & Dixon deserve for killing our town centre off !
Lustard, I did invest in Royal Mail and probably will benefit from the Darlington Borough Council car hating high car parking charge policies that are destroying our town. More people will click for home delivery. I hope that the RM will also deliver the termination of employment letters that Burns & Dixon deserve for killing our town centre off ! MSG
  • Score: 7

10:46pm Mon 10 Feb 14

darloboss says...

best sugestion for drivers is tindale free parking, loads of shops, more to come including new cinima
best sugestion for drivers is tindale free parking, loads of shops, more to come including new cinima darloboss
  • Score: 0

6:13pm Tue 11 Feb 14

cushybutterfield says...

***NEW BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES. Just, innovate and open a 'pedal assisted RICKSHAW' service, they have had them for yonks, in various British Towns and Cities. A great way for the 'long term unemployed' to actually **work and *earn a living as well as doing something worthwhile for the community and kepping Supper-Fit. (No malingering and/or phoney supposed 'bad back or 'stress-related' excuses' please). All long-term 'benefit receiving 'workshy will be considered. You know it makes sense.
***NEW BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES. Just, innovate and open a 'pedal assisted RICKSHAW' service, they have had them for yonks, in various British Towns and Cities. A great way for the 'long term unemployed' to actually **work and *earn a living as well as doing something worthwhile for the community and kepping Supper-Fit. (No malingering and/or phoney supposed 'bad back or 'stress-related' excuses' please). All long-term 'benefit receiving 'workshy will be considered. You know it makes sense. cushybutterfield
  • Score: -1

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