Coal chief MacGregor plotted to close 75 pits within two years, secret papers reveal

Margaret Thatcher

Ian MacGregor

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NATIONAL Coal Board chief Ian MacGregor was plotting to close 75 pits over two years from 1983, secret papers published today (Friday, January 3) reveal.

In the months before the year-long Miners’ Strike broke out in April 1984, the Thatcher Government and the NCB was saying they wanted to close 20 mines.

But a typed record of a top-level meeting held at Number 10 in September 1983 says: “Mr MacGregor had it in his mind over the three years 1983-85 that a further 75 pits would be closed... There should be no closure list, but a pit-by-pit procedure.

“The manpower at the end of that time in the industry would be down to 138,000 from its current level of 202,000.”

The meeting was attended by just seven people including Margaret Thatcher and the minute, headed “not to be photocopied or circulated outside the private office”, ends: “It was agreed that no record of this meeting should be circulated.”

A second document written a week later by a senior civil servant suggested the same group should meet regularly in future but there should be “nothing in writing which clarifies the understandings about the strategy which exist between Mr MacGregor and the secretary of state for energy”.

But Lord Armstrong, who as Sir Robert Armstrong was Cabinet Secretary and one of the seven at the meeting, said the real issue was National Union of Mineworkers president Arthur Scargill’s “impossible demand” that loss-making pits be guaranteed.

“I think when you’re in a negotiation of this kind you want to show as little of your hand as you can to those who are negotiating, particularly if the purposes of those people are, as they were in this case, malign,” he told the BBC.

Other papers released today from the National Archives at Kew reveal Mrs Thatcher intervened to ensure Nissan’s massive investment in its Wearside plant, considered deploying troops during the Miners’ Strike and was desperate to stop Soviet Union cash reaching the striking miners.

Mr MacGregor, later made Sir Ian MacGregor, died in April 1998 and Mrs Thatcher died last April.

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7:47pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Stu*28 says...

Thatcher and MacGregor both lied, now there's a surprise!
Thatcher and MacGregor both lied, now there's a surprise! Stu*28
  • Score: 8

8:16pm Fri 3 Jan 14

CLEVELANDPC says...

Civil war ? I wonder how close we are ?
Civil war ? I wonder how close we are ? CLEVELANDPC
  • Score: -4

11:06pm Fri 3 Jan 14

darloboss says...

thatcher praying to her god "money" sickening
thatcher praying to her god "money" sickening darloboss
  • Score: 3

11:46pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Spy Boy says...

She really was a vindictive old piece wasn't she. Lies and more lies and then people give her a state funeral. I wonder if it comes out about her causing the Falklands War, too ? Her government cuts to the Royal Navy gave the Argentinian Junta the nod that they could take the islands. If not for the huge public outcry, she would have let them go. She made a huge mistake, did a U-turn and everyone thought she was doing great things getting them back. Our services got them back and paid the price while she swanned around in a tank trying to look like Boudicca. What a stupid, ignorant, bigoted woman. The first woman Prime Minister of Britain and she makes a dog's breakfast of the whole thing. Her policies are what is now dividing and crippling this country. She thought, like a lot of other politicals, that the apathy of the British Voter would save her. In the end her own party knifed her in the back. Now her followers are screwing us all over again. The sooner they have us back to Victorian times, the better they'll like it.
She really was a vindictive old piece wasn't she. Lies and more lies and then people give her a state funeral. I wonder if it comes out about her causing the Falklands War, too ? Her government cuts to the Royal Navy gave the Argentinian Junta the nod that they could take the islands. If not for the huge public outcry, she would have let them go. She made a huge mistake, did a U-turn and everyone thought she was doing great things getting them back. Our services got them back and paid the price while she swanned around in a tank trying to look like Boudicca. What a stupid, ignorant, bigoted woman. The first woman Prime Minister of Britain and she makes a dog's breakfast of the whole thing. Her policies are what is now dividing and crippling this country. She thought, like a lot of other politicals, that the apathy of the British Voter would save her. In the end her own party knifed her in the back. Now her followers are screwing us all over again. The sooner they have us back to Victorian times, the better they'll like it. Spy Boy
  • Score: 17

2:05am Sat 4 Jan 14

Voice-of-reality says...

Ah yes Victorian times, when we ruled the waves, were the most important country in the world, and localities looked after their own. For once, Spy Boy, we agree - if only we could get back to Victoran times; the glories of Disraeli, and Salisbury, and the working class seeing, quite rightly, the Conservative Party as a progressive party for all. Happpy days.
Ah yes Victorian times, when we ruled the waves, were the most important country in the world, and localities looked after their own. For once, Spy Boy, we agree - if only we could get back to Victoran times; the glories of Disraeli, and Salisbury, and the working class seeing, quite rightly, the Conservative Party as a progressive party for all. Happpy days. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: -8

3:32am Sat 4 Jan 14

flaxton says...

Will the dinosaurs please leave Jurassic Park! The facts are this:
1. No employee anywhere has the 'right to life' as regards their employment.
2. Some of the pits were a massive liability both economically and in terms of OH&S, which would not acceptable in todays world.
3. Imported coal was a lot cheaper even when transported from half way round the world..
4. Scargill lied just as much as Thatcher and he lost the idealogical war. Ask yourself why?

Reality...The way in which the pits were shut down was very harsh and could have been done over time by a sympathetic phase out structure. Scargill was mostly responsible for the initial head on clashes, pushing Thatcher into an idealogical showdown; he lost and as they say 'the winner takes all.'
Sad but thats the real story.
Will the dinosaurs please leave Jurassic Park! The facts are this: 1. No employee anywhere has the 'right to life' as regards their employment. 2. Some of the pits were a massive liability both economically and in terms of OH&S, which would not acceptable in todays world. 3. Imported coal was a lot cheaper even when transported from half way round the world.. 4. Scargill lied just as much as Thatcher and he lost the idealogical war. Ask yourself why? Reality...The way in which the pits were shut down was very harsh and could have been done over time by a sympathetic phase out structure. Scargill was mostly responsible for the initial head on clashes, pushing Thatcher into an idealogical showdown; he lost and as they say 'the winner takes all.' Sad but thats the real story. flaxton
  • Score: 10

11:41am Sat 4 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Sanity prevails. Thanks Flaxton.
Sanity prevails. Thanks Flaxton. David Lacey
  • Score: 0

3:50pm Sat 4 Jan 14

sineater says...

It's a pity that it was thatcher doing all the pushing,and she got the excuse she wanted. She intervened to help get Nissan ,big deal that was what she was paid for,at the time before expansion that created a few thousand jobs,64,000 jobs were lost in the mines.Greatest prime minister she lurched from one disaster to another,and dug her self out of each calamity by selling state industries of,which is part of the reason people can barely manage to live now,and tory supporters like Jonny p brags about managing to work despite health problems,while fellow sufferers cannot live because of cuts brought in by the party he supports,and people like him can't even see it's the party they support responsible for their problems.The tories backers in the banks brought about the crash,the tories brought in the present council tax system,and these people still support Maggies party,-blind faith ?
It's a pity that it was thatcher doing all the pushing,and she got the excuse she wanted. She intervened to help get Nissan ,big deal that was what she was paid for,at the time before expansion that created a few thousand jobs,64,000 jobs were lost in the mines.Greatest prime minister she lurched from one disaster to another,and dug her self out of each calamity by selling state industries of,which is part of the reason people can barely manage to live now,and tory supporters like Jonny p brags about managing to work despite health problems,while fellow sufferers cannot live because of cuts brought in by the party he supports,and people like him can't even see it's the party they support responsible for their problems.The tories backers in the banks brought about the crash,the tories brought in the present council tax system,and these people still support Maggies party,-blind faith ? sineater
  • Score: 8

6:23pm Sat 4 Jan 14

spragger says...

but Labour closed more Pits than Thatcher

Where is that little gem leftie?
but Labour closed more Pits than Thatcher Where is that little gem leftie? spragger
  • Score: -1

6:25pm Sat 4 Jan 14

spragger says...

sineater wrote:
It's a pity that it was thatcher doing all the pushing,and she got the excuse she wanted. She intervened to help get Nissan ,big deal that was what she was paid for,at the time before expansion that created a few thousand jobs,64,000 jobs were lost in the mines.Greatest prime minister she lurched from one disaster to another,and dug her self out of each calamity by selling state industries of,which is part of the reason people can barely manage to live now,and tory supporters like Jonny p brags about managing to work despite health problems,while fellow sufferers cannot live because of cuts brought in by the party he supports,and people like him can't even see it's the party they support responsible for their problems.The tories backers in the banks brought about the crash,the tories brought in the present council tax system,and these people still support Maggies party,-blind faith ?
Loopy talks down your jobs in Nissan
Now we have a full house . .
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: It's a pity that it was thatcher doing all the pushing,and she got the excuse she wanted. She intervened to help get Nissan ,big deal that was what she was paid for,at the time before expansion that created a few thousand jobs,64,000 jobs were lost in the mines.Greatest prime minister she lurched from one disaster to another,and dug her self out of each calamity by selling state industries of,which is part of the reason people can barely manage to live now,and tory supporters like Jonny p brags about managing to work despite health problems,while fellow sufferers cannot live because of cuts brought in by the party he supports,and people like him can't even see it's the party they support responsible for their problems.The tories backers in the banks brought about the crash,the tories brought in the present council tax system,and these people still support Maggies party,-blind faith ?[/p][/quote]Loopy talks down your jobs in Nissan Now we have a full house . . spragger
  • Score: -1

7:14pm Sat 4 Jan 14

hullgodfreyshire says...

all this proves is that the says are still true, there are STILL only 3 reasons to vote tory' 1 you are stinking rich.
2, you are sitting in a mental hospital.
3, you are a masochist ,
sorry there is always the fourth excuse, you have been brainwashed.
all this proves is that the says are still true, there are STILL only 3 reasons to vote tory' 1 you are stinking rich. 2, you are sitting in a mental hospital. 3, you are a masochist , sorry there is always the fourth excuse, you have been brainwashed. hullgodfreyshire
  • Score: 3

10:34pm Sat 4 Jan 14

darloboss says...

dont forget dennis thatcher was a director in quinton hazel car part manufacturer get the connection ???
dont forget dennis thatcher was a director in quinton hazel car part manufacturer get the connection ??? darloboss
  • Score: 3

11:02pm Sat 4 Jan 14

darloboss says...

and come to think about it dennis was a director with burma oil and castrol oil
no wonder she wanter nissan over here
and come to think about it dennis was a director with burma oil and castrol oil no wonder she wanter nissan over here darloboss
  • Score: 1

11:03pm Sat 4 Jan 14

darloboss says...

wanted
wanted darloboss
  • Score: -5

11:38pm Sat 4 Jan 14

S208 says...

Elsewhere on the NE, a woman lampooned (rightly so) for buying iPads at 300 quid and selling them on for £200.. Doesn't make any sense they say!

Maggie stops the country doing a similar thing with coal and we're up in arms!
Elsewhere on the NE, a woman lampooned (rightly so) for buying iPads at 300 quid and selling them on for £200.. Doesn't make any sense they say! Maggie stops the country doing a similar thing with coal and we're up in arms! S208
  • Score: 2

7:17pm Sun 5 Jan 14

sineater says...

Where did I talk down the jobs at Nissan Spragger, as I said before you never read comments properly do you? There were 64,000 jobs lost in the mining industry,several years before most of those pits needed to close,she spent many thousand of £'s enticing Nissan to Sunderland,money that Thatcher said the government didn't have. A few thousand jobs were created when Nissan first opened, when labour shut down pits which were worked out,they helped creat jobs first to cushion the effects of the closures, Thatcher fell over 55,000 short of helping the ex work force from the pits,thats why the ex-miners hate her ,I said no such thing about talking down the work-force at Nissan,get an eye test,and book some reading lessons,
Where did I talk down the jobs at Nissan Spragger, as I said before you never read comments properly do you? There were 64,000 jobs lost in the mining industry,several years before most of those pits needed to close,she spent many thousand of £'s enticing Nissan to Sunderland,money that Thatcher said the government didn't have. A few thousand jobs were created when Nissan first opened, when labour shut down pits which were worked out,they helped creat jobs first to cushion the effects of the closures, Thatcher fell over 55,000 short of helping the ex work force from the pits,thats why the ex-miners hate her ,I said no such thing about talking down the work-force at Nissan,get an eye test,and book some reading lessons, sineater
  • Score: -3

6:49am Mon 6 Jan 14

SirLance says...

Lord Scargill took his money from the Russian Communist Party! He was part of a Russian plan to have the Labor Party and unions break Britain! With high unemployment and coal coming from Indonesia at half the cost of what Scargill's mob could get it to the market for!-- the stupidity had to end! Margaret T was the only one with any 'balls' to stop this anarchy! A true Brit who saw the future! Where did the future Labor Blair government lead Britain? A war with Iraq that hasn't stopped, then the backdoor into Afghanistan (Which we cannot afford or get away from soon enough!). How many poor servicemen and women have given all for a country that is 600 years behind the present western times! A disgusting place that forbids education! Now the UK will become swamped with foreigners who can claim benefits even though they have never contributed into any sort of welfare system! Oh Maggie please , please come back and do the job over again!!!
Lord Scargill took his money from the Russian Communist Party! He was part of a Russian plan to have the Labor Party and unions break Britain! With high unemployment and coal coming from Indonesia at half the cost of what Scargill's mob could get it to the market for!-- the stupidity had to end! Margaret T was the only one with any 'balls' to stop this anarchy! A true Brit who saw the future! Where did the future Labor Blair government lead Britain? A war with Iraq that hasn't stopped, then the backdoor into Afghanistan (Which we cannot afford or get away from soon enough!). How many poor servicemen and women have given all for a country that is 600 years behind the present western times! A disgusting place that forbids education! Now the UK will become swamped with foreigners who can claim benefits even though they have never contributed into any sort of welfare system! Oh Maggie please , please come back and do the job over again!!! SirLance
  • Score: -3

7:09pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Spy Boy says...

Voice-of-reality wrote:
Ah yes Victorian times, when we ruled the waves, were the most important country in the world, and localities looked after their own. For once, Spy Boy, we agree - if only we could get back to Victoran times; the glories of Disraeli, and Salisbury, and the working class seeing, quite rightly, the Conservative Party as a progressive party for all. Happpy days.
It was the might of the working men and women of this country that underwrote the industrial revolution and made Victorian era Britain the most powerful country in the world. The politicians were just as crooked and self centred as they are now. The double standards of the era have made what could have been a really great time for Britain, a failed dream and a lost opportunity. I don't want us to slip back into this immoral abyss, but our current crop of self serving career politicians are pushing us that way.

The working people of this country had around 2 decades where they were not struggling to keep their heads above water, a very short summer indeed, and now the powerful want that all stopped and the working people put back into their 'proper place' in society. The Conservative Party have never been a progressive party, they are fixed in time in the 19th century where a land owner was allowed to whip his employees. I'm pretty sure that they'd like to see this brought back. One day they will go too far and I feel that day getting very much closer.
[quote][p][bold]Voice-of-reality[/bold] wrote: Ah yes Victorian times, when we ruled the waves, were the most important country in the world, and localities looked after their own. For once, Spy Boy, we agree - if only we could get back to Victoran times; the glories of Disraeli, and Salisbury, and the working class seeing, quite rightly, the Conservative Party as a progressive party for all. Happpy days.[/p][/quote]It was the might of the working men and women of this country that underwrote the industrial revolution and made Victorian era Britain the most powerful country in the world. The politicians were just as crooked and self centred as they are now. The double standards of the era have made what could have been a really great time for Britain, a failed dream and a lost opportunity. I don't want us to slip back into this immoral abyss, but our current crop of self serving career politicians are pushing us that way. The working people of this country had around 2 decades where they were not struggling to keep their heads above water, a very short summer indeed, and now the powerful want that all stopped and the working people put back into their 'proper place' in society. The Conservative Party have never been a progressive party, they are fixed in time in the 19th century where a land owner was allowed to whip his employees. I'm pretty sure that they'd like to see this brought back. One day they will go too far and I feel that day getting very much closer. Spy Boy
  • Score: 0

7:16pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Spy Boy says...

SirLance wrote:
Lord Scargill took his money from the Russian Communist Party! He was part of a Russian plan to have the Labor Party and unions break Britain! With high unemployment and coal coming from Indonesia at half the cost of what Scargill's mob could get it to the market for!-- the stupidity had to end! Margaret T was the only one with any 'balls' to stop this anarchy! A true Brit who saw the future! Where did the future Labor Blair government lead Britain? A war with Iraq that hasn't stopped, then the backdoor into Afghanistan (Which we cannot afford or get away from soon enough!). How many poor servicemen and women have given all for a country that is 600 years behind the present western times! A disgusting place that forbids education! Now the UK will become swamped with foreigners who can claim benefits even though they have never contributed into any sort of welfare system! Oh Maggie please , please come back and do the job over again!!!
And Oh, What a future. The legacy of a vindictive woman who never forgave the miners for the strike that brought the previous Tory Government down. Blair was and is and embarrassment to any socialist. Politics screws everyone up. 'Yes Minister' was bang on the money. Don't worry, there are plenty of Thatchers in the Tory Party. A good reason not to vote for them, ever.
[quote][p][bold]SirLance[/bold] wrote: Lord Scargill took his money from the Russian Communist Party! He was part of a Russian plan to have the Labor Party and unions break Britain! With high unemployment and coal coming from Indonesia at half the cost of what Scargill's mob could get it to the market for!-- the stupidity had to end! Margaret T was the only one with any 'balls' to stop this anarchy! A true Brit who saw the future! Where did the future Labor Blair government lead Britain? A war with Iraq that hasn't stopped, then the backdoor into Afghanistan (Which we cannot afford or get away from soon enough!). How many poor servicemen and women have given all for a country that is 600 years behind the present western times! A disgusting place that forbids education! Now the UK will become swamped with foreigners who can claim benefits even though they have never contributed into any sort of welfare system! Oh Maggie please , please come back and do the job over again!!![/p][/quote]And Oh, What a future. The legacy of a vindictive woman who never forgave the miners for the strike that brought the previous Tory Government down. Blair was and is and embarrassment to any socialist. Politics screws everyone up. 'Yes Minister' was bang on the money. Don't worry, there are plenty of Thatchers in the Tory Party. A good reason not to vote for them, ever. Spy Boy
  • Score: 1

4:41pm Tue 7 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Spot on ****Sir Lance. It is a rarity nowadays to see *****ANY British politician whatever gender, from *****any British political party (particularly the far left), who had the guts, detemination and moral fibre to put Britain and the decent British working class people first. Most are only interested in devisive negative whinging brainwashing politically correct politics, very few.... ***put Britains National interest***, internal security and well being FIRST. Maggie of course fought tooth and nail for Britain throughout Europe and the World. She stood up to Brussels and the French and saved our beloved British Falkland Islands from Argentina - **Facist Dictatorship. Agee or not with nearly all the Pits closed for years Maggie and Britain has saved Millions of Tons of Coal reserves, if needed in the future. 'Spy Boy' is living in a dream world and needs to get a British History Reality Check, a load of clownish distorted pathetic comments, The 'left wing Moscow backed Union's, well before Mrs Thatcher came to power and destroyed most of British Industry with their dinosaur, medevial pathetic petty demarcation, 'who does what' Strikes and bone idle so called .....'Go Slows' ... (God could most of them ever get ****any slower..............
...now we reap the consequences,.......
. in short for decades many of the so called British Workers (Not all) would just ..... simply***Not-Work...
...........hence Billions of Pounds of lost orders went abroad.
Spot on ****Sir Lance. It is a rarity nowadays to see *****ANY British politician whatever gender, from *****any British political party (particularly the far left), who had the guts, detemination and moral fibre to put Britain and the decent British working class people first. Most are only interested in devisive negative whinging brainwashing politically correct politics, very few.... ***put Britains National interest***, internal security and well being FIRST. Maggie of course fought tooth and nail for Britain throughout Europe and the World. She stood up to Brussels and the French and saved our beloved British Falkland Islands from Argentina - **Facist Dictatorship. Agee or not with nearly all the Pits closed for years Maggie and Britain has saved Millions of Tons of Coal reserves, if needed in the future. 'Spy Boy' is living in a dream world and needs to get a British History Reality Check, a load of clownish distorted pathetic comments, The 'left wing Moscow backed Union's, well before Mrs Thatcher came to power and destroyed most of British Industry with their dinosaur, medevial pathetic petty demarcation, 'who does what' Strikes and bone idle so called .....'Go Slows' ... (God could most of them ever get ****any slower.............. ...now we reap the consequences,....... . in short for decades many of the so called British Workers (Not all) would just ..... simply***Not-Work... ...........hence Billions of Pounds of lost orders went abroad. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 3

4:41pm Tue 7 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Spot on ****Sir Lance. It is a rarity nowadays to see *****ANY British politician whatever gender, from *****any British political party (particularly the far left), who had the guts, detemination and moral fibre to put Britain and the decent British working class people first. Most are only interested in devisive negative whinging brainwashing politically correct politics, very few.... ***put Britains National interest***, internal security and well being FIRST. Maggie of course fought tooth and nail for Britain throughout Europe and the World. She stood up to Brussels and the French and saved our beloved British Falkland Islands from Argentina - **Facist Dictatorship. Agee or not with nearly all the Pits closed for years Maggie and Britain has saved Millions of Tons of Coal reserves, if needed in the future. 'Spy Boy' is living in a dream world and needs to get a British History Reality Check, a load of clownish distorted pathetic comments, The 'left wing Moscow backed Union's, well before Mrs Thatcher came to power and destroyed most of British Industry with their dinosaur, medevial pathetic petty demarcation, 'who does what' Strikes and bone idle so called .....'Go Slows' ... (God could most of them ever get ****any slower..............
...now we reap the consequences,.......
. in short for decades many of the so called British Workers (Not all) would just ..... simply***Not-Work...
...........hence Billions of Pounds of lost orders went abroad.
Spot on ****Sir Lance. It is a rarity nowadays to see *****ANY British politician whatever gender, from *****any British political party (particularly the far left), who had the guts, detemination and moral fibre to put Britain and the decent British working class people first. Most are only interested in devisive negative whinging brainwashing politically correct politics, very few.... ***put Britains National interest***, internal security and well being FIRST. Maggie of course fought tooth and nail for Britain throughout Europe and the World. She stood up to Brussels and the French and saved our beloved British Falkland Islands from Argentina - **Facist Dictatorship. Agee or not with nearly all the Pits closed for years Maggie and Britain has saved Millions of Tons of Coal reserves, if needed in the future. 'Spy Boy' is living in a dream world and needs to get a British History Reality Check, a load of clownish distorted pathetic comments, The 'left wing Moscow backed Union's, well before Mrs Thatcher came to power and destroyed most of British Industry with their dinosaur, medevial pathetic petty demarcation, 'who does what' Strikes and bone idle so called .....'Go Slows' ... (God could most of them ever get ****any slower.............. ...now we reap the consequences,....... . in short for decades many of the so called British Workers (Not all) would just ..... simply***Not-Work... ...........hence Billions of Pounds of lost orders went abroad. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Tue 7 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

Voice of Reality. You go on about pathetic 'Conservative Whips', my God many employees and Job Centres (refer to Peterborough Job Centre) would need a huge, big expensive, tough unbreakable **politically **uncorrect Whip to encourages many of long term bone idle British workshy to even move at all, carry out any ***work for any employee of any description, hence you immigrants taking many British Jobs and please do not whinge on with the pathetic excuse and 'red herring' of our ***legally agreed minimum wage.
Voice of Reality. You go on about pathetic 'Conservative Whips', my God many employees and Job Centres (refer to Peterborough Job Centre) would need a huge, big expensive, tough unbreakable **politically **uncorrect Whip to encourages many of long term bone idle British workshy to even move at all, carry out any ***work for any employee of any description, hence you immigrants taking many British Jobs and please do not whinge on with the pathetic excuse and 'red herring' of our ***legally agreed minimum wage. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 3

4:55pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Jackaranda says...

Good headline, he "plotted" to close 75 pits. No he didn't, he was instructed by the head of the NCB (Thatcher) to close 75 pits. He may have been "plotting" her assassination and/or "plotting" to blow up the houses of Parliament maybe.
The miners followed their leader into oblivion, taking their communities with them.
Good headline, he "plotted" to close 75 pits. No he didn't, he was instructed by the head of the NCB (Thatcher) to close 75 pits. He may have been "plotting" her assassination and/or "plotting" to blow up the houses of Parliament maybe. The miners followed their leader into oblivion, taking their communities with them. Jackaranda
  • Score: 4

9:23am Wed 8 Jan 14

David Lacey says...

Correct Jackaranda. But the Echo is a far left wing paper so what can we expect?
Correct Jackaranda. But the Echo is a far left wing paper so what can we expect? David Lacey
  • Score: 4

4:16pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Copley23 says...

Jackaranda and David Lacey, thank you. Sanity prevails.
Jackaranda and David Lacey, thank you. Sanity prevails. Copley23
  • Score: 5

6:14pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Mod says...

Thatcher: 11 years in power and closed 160 pits ( a rate of 14 per year).

Wilson: 8 years in power and closed 290 pits ( a rate of 36 per year).
Thatcher: 11 years in power and closed 160 pits ( a rate of 14 per year). Wilson: 8 years in power and closed 290 pits ( a rate of 36 per year). Mod
  • Score: 8

11:52am Thu 9 Jan 14

sineater says...

For the umpteenth time MOD, Wilson closed pits that were worked out,and then helped find jobs to cushion the blow of lost jobs. Thatcher closed pits in revenge for the previous miners strike helping to defeat the tories at the ballot box. Then afterwards there was only a fraction of the jobs lost replaced by other employment. Many of the pits closed by Thatcher had plentiful reserves of coal,but she ignored that advice,and closed them anyway.
For the umpteenth time MOD, Wilson closed pits that were worked out,and then helped find jobs to cushion the blow of lost jobs. Thatcher closed pits in revenge for the previous miners strike helping to defeat the tories at the ballot box. Then afterwards there was only a fraction of the jobs lost replaced by other employment. Many of the pits closed by Thatcher had plentiful reserves of coal,but she ignored that advice,and closed them anyway. sineater
  • Score: -3

1:50pm Thu 9 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

I have had a great idea, Well the 'Millions of Tons of Coal' is still there left 'untapped' and conserved, both underground and under the sea, stop whinging about the past and 'build and/or reopen some 'NON-UNION Modern Pits' and create jobs................
.we can help put a 'Man on the 'Moon' and sink 'super deep Gas Oil Wells' in the north Sea, so give the long tern state benefit workshy a 'Pick and Shovel' and some modern machinery so they can help dig coal out of the ground again. Instead of bleating,moaning, groaning, whingeing about what a hard time you have had in the past, get off your butts, earn, work and help create Jobs. If the Chinese can do it ? Why carn't the British ?.
I have had a great idea, Well the 'Millions of Tons of Coal' is still there left 'untapped' and conserved, both underground and under the sea, stop whinging about the past and 'build and/or reopen some 'NON-UNION Modern Pits' and create jobs................ .we can help put a 'Man on the 'Moon' and sink 'super deep Gas Oil Wells' in the north Sea, so give the long tern state benefit workshy a 'Pick and Shovel' and some modern machinery so they can help dig coal out of the ground again. Instead of bleating,moaning, groaning, whingeing about what a hard time you have had in the past, get off your butts, earn, work and help create Jobs. If the Chinese can do it ? Why carn't the British ?. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Thu 9 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

I have had a great idea, Well the 'Millions of Tons of Coal' is still there left 'untapped' and conserved, both underground and under the sea, stop whinging about the past and 'build and/or reopen some 'NON-UNION Modern Pits' and create jobs................
.we can help put a 'Man on the 'Moon' and sink 'super deep Gas Oil Wells' in the north Sea, so give the long tern state benefit workshy a 'Pick and Shovel' and some modern machinery so they can help dig coal out of the ground again. Instead of bleating,moaning, groaning, whingeing about what a hard time you have had in the past, get off your butts, earn, work and help create Jobs. If the Chinese can do it ? Why carn't the British ?.
I have had a great idea, Well the 'Millions of Tons of Coal' is still there left 'untapped' and conserved, both underground and under the sea, stop whinging about the past and 'build and/or reopen some 'NON-UNION Modern Pits' and create jobs................ .we can help put a 'Man on the 'Moon' and sink 'super deep Gas Oil Wells' in the north Sea, so give the long tern state benefit workshy a 'Pick and Shovel' and some modern machinery so they can help dig coal out of the ground again. Instead of bleating,moaning, groaning, whingeing about what a hard time you have had in the past, get off your butts, earn, work and help create Jobs. If the Chinese can do it ? Why carn't the British ?. cushybutterfield
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3:28pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Mod says...

cushybutterfield wrote:
I have had a great idea, Well the 'Millions of Tons of Coal' is still there left 'untapped' and conserved, both underground and under the sea, stop whinging about the past and 'build and/or reopen some 'NON-UNION Modern Pits' and create jobs................ .we can help put a 'Man on the 'Moon' and sink 'super deep Gas Oil Wells' in the north Sea, so give the long tern state benefit workshy a 'Pick and Shovel' and some modern machinery so they can help dig coal out of the ground again. Instead of bleating,moaning, groaning, whingeing about what a hard time you have had in the past, get off your butts, earn, work and help create Jobs. If the Chinese can do it ? Why carn't the British ?.
If you re-opened every pit, how many applications for jobs do you think would be received? Can you honestly see our youth of today willingly going to the coal face?
Anyway, Ed Miliband's Climate Change Act 2008 would prevent any coal mining in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]cushybutterfield[/bold] wrote: I have had a great idea, Well the 'Millions of Tons of Coal' is still there left 'untapped' and conserved, both underground and under the sea, stop whinging about the past and 'build and/or reopen some 'NON-UNION Modern Pits' and create jobs................ .we can help put a 'Man on the 'Moon' and sink 'super deep Gas Oil Wells' in the north Sea, so give the long tern state benefit workshy a 'Pick and Shovel' and some modern machinery so they can help dig coal out of the ground again. Instead of bleating,moaning, groaning, whingeing about what a hard time you have had in the past, get off your butts, earn, work and help create Jobs. If the Chinese can do it ? Why carn't the British ?.[/p][/quote]If you re-opened every pit, how many applications for jobs do you think would be received? Can you honestly see our youth of today willingly going to the coal face? Anyway, Ed Miliband's Climate Change Act 2008 would prevent any coal mining in the UK. Mod
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6:00pm Thu 9 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

I fair honest moot point, you would be lucky to find 5O people in the whole north east willing to go down a new pit and mine coal, many would rather sit at home, on their butts and remain on the Dole. It is virtually nigh impossible also to find more than 6O British young workers to bend down and pick either a potatoe, turmip or cauliflower from a British Field. There woud be an instant crying whinge, ****Quote, 'This is too much like hard work., my back is hurting me.' The usual eternal left wing socialist bleat , Quote, ' I want more minimum wage'. Quote again, I rather sit on my butt at home boozing and smoking. and or playing on daft Computer Games.. Hence the reason if the coal mines reopened, they would be swamped with applications from some hard working immigrants, whether it be mines or working in the fields picking vegetables. When it comes to a Fair Days WORK for a fair days pay many British, especially youth (**not all) just do not want to know, they will just not work, hence the now commonly used benefit word, ***Workshy.
I fair honest moot point, you would be lucky to find 5O people in the whole north east willing to go down a new pit and mine coal, many would rather sit at home, on their butts and remain on the Dole. It is virtually nigh impossible also to find more than 6O British young workers to bend down and pick either a potatoe, turmip or cauliflower from a British Field. There woud be an instant crying whinge, ****Quote, 'This is too much like hard work., my back is hurting me.' The usual eternal left wing socialist bleat , Quote, ' I want more minimum wage'. Quote again, I rather sit on my butt at home boozing and smoking. and or playing on daft Computer Games.. Hence the reason if the coal mines reopened, they would be swamped with applications from some hard working immigrants, whether it be mines or working in the fields picking vegetables. When it comes to a Fair Days WORK for a fair days pay many British, especially youth (**not all) just do not want to know, they will just not work, hence the now commonly used benefit word, ***Workshy. cushybutterfield
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6:09pm Thu 9 Jan 14

cushybutterfield says...

I get on my knees every night and Thank God that ' Milliband and Co ' are not now running our Country, especially what I have heard and seen on todays........Biased corrupt 'Anti-Police and Law and Order London News' which is a lying affront and insult to the real decent law abidding working class people of this Country.
I get on my knees every night and Thank God that ' Milliband and Co ' are not now running our Country, especially what I have heard and seen on todays........Biased corrupt 'Anti-Police and Law and Order London News' which is a lying affront and insult to the real decent law abidding working class people of this Country. cushybutterfield
  • Score: 2

10:10pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

sineater wrote:
For the umpteenth time MOD, Wilson closed pits that were worked out,and then helped find jobs to cushion the blow of lost jobs. Thatcher closed pits in revenge for the previous miners strike helping to defeat the tories at the ballot box. Then afterwards there was only a fraction of the jobs lost replaced by other employment. Many of the pits closed by Thatcher had plentiful reserves of coal,but she ignored that advice,and closed them anyway.
For the umpteenth time the Coal industry in the UK was massively subsidised, that's why they were doomed for closure.

It cost more to get it out out the ground than it sold for, simple (very very simple) economics!!! How much is down there is neither here nor there.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: For the umpteenth time MOD, Wilson closed pits that were worked out,and then helped find jobs to cushion the blow of lost jobs. Thatcher closed pits in revenge for the previous miners strike helping to defeat the tories at the ballot box. Then afterwards there was only a fraction of the jobs lost replaced by other employment. Many of the pits closed by Thatcher had plentiful reserves of coal,but she ignored that advice,and closed them anyway.[/p][/quote]For the umpteenth time the Coal industry in the UK was massively subsidised, that's why they were doomed for closure. It cost more to get it out out the ground than it sold for, simple (very very simple) economics!!! How much is down there is neither here nor there. Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 4

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