Police chiefs criticise Government grant cuts

Darlington and Stockton Times: CUTS WOE: Cleveland police and crime commissioner Barry Coppinger CUTS WOE: Cleveland police and crime commissioner Barry Coppinger

HOME Office cuts to North-East police force budgets are a cause for celebration for criminals, a senior official has claimed.

Dwindling grants to be dished out among the region’s forces in the 2014/15 financial year were announced last week, with Cleveland Police facing a reduction of £4.5m.

The area’s police and crime commissioner (PCC), Barry Coppinger, said: “The Government is denying £84m of grants to support local policing and reducing Cleveland’s grant by £4.5m for 2014/15.

“This means a 25 per cent cut in our government grant [over the past four] years, with more to come.

“The only people in Cleveland celebrating this will be the criminals.”

Elsewhere, the amount of funding received by Durham Police will fall by £2.7m in the coming financial year, with a drop of £5m for North Yorkshire and just under £1m for Northumbria Police.

Annoucing the proposals, policing minister Damian Green said: “Our decisions on police funding in 2014/15 will provide the police with the resources they need to carry out their important work.

“We recognise that the funding settlement remains challenging. However, there are areas where the police can continue to make further savings without affecting the level of service to the public.”

Durham PCC Ron Hogg joined his Cleveland counterpart in condemning the cuts.

He said: "At a time when the unemployment rate is ten per cent in the North-East, the Government has decided to further reduce the money allocated for local policing.

“Unfortunately these grant reductions inevitably mean fewer officers and staff.

"Police budgets are constantly being squeezed meaning future years look very challenging.

“The force needs to save almost £13m over the next three years, which is achievable, but will mean we have to do things differently.”

Mr Hogg said the practice of ‘top slicing’ funding for organisations such as HM Inspectorate of Constabulary and the Independent Police Complaints Commission meant forces such as his own would suffer.

He added: “More money is being taken from forces to fund inspection bodies, which come in and tell us what to do.

“This is money that could be better used delivering local policing.”

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5:18pm Sun 22 Dec 13

oliviaden6 says...

He is worried he won't get his Payoff if it all goes wrong?
He is worried he won't get his Payoff if it all goes wrong? oliviaden6

5:31pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Snilly says...

When any police force has the publics confidence then statements like this may man something. Until then ALL COPS just lookout for themselves and should never be trusted no matter how much scaremongering they try to do.
When any police force has the publics confidence then statements like this may man something. Until then ALL COPS just lookout for themselves and should never be trusted no matter how much scaremongering they try to do. Snilly

6:04pm Sun 22 Dec 13

sineater says...

You can't fight crime with less funding,and less staff-end of.
You can't fight crime with less funding,and less staff-end of. sineater

7:56pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loan_star says...

sineater wrote:
You can't fight crime with less funding,and less staff-end of.
You also can't fight crime if the public have no confidence in the police especially when the forces themselves are seen to be losing vital paperwork when investigating one of their own......
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: You can't fight crime with less funding,and less staff-end of.[/p][/quote]You also can't fight crime if the public have no confidence in the police especially when the forces themselves are seen to be losing vital paperwork when investigating one of their own...... loan_star

8:17pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Assurance says...

The solution to the police funding shortfall is easily found. Take the benefits from the idle layabouts who sprawl on their settees watching their 6 foot plasma screens that hardworking citizens pay for. These people have no intention of seeking work either locally or nationally so long as those who contribute to their lifestyle benefits keep on stumping up the money.
They should be required to produce clear proof of seeking work, not just evidence of signing on the dole.
The solution to the police funding shortfall is easily found. Take the benefits from the idle layabouts who sprawl on their settees watching their 6 foot plasma screens that hardworking citizens pay for. These people have no intention of seeking work either locally or nationally so long as those who contribute to their lifestyle benefits keep on stumping up the money. They should be required to produce clear proof of seeking work, not just evidence of signing on the dole. Assurance

8:21pm Sun 22 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

But the POLICE tell us that crime is falling. So surely we need less coppers.
But the POLICE tell us that crime is falling. So surely we need less coppers. David Lacey

8:41pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Claude Ted says...

Well for a start Ron Hogg could give his police car back when clearly Cleveland Police management had no right to give him it & in my opinion it was unethical to accept it.
Then of course Cleveland wouldn't be so skint if they hadn't given shed loads of money in redundancies, compensation & compromise agreements to their own staff & maligned solicitors etc.
That's not to mention legal costs & current ongoing investigations.
All this happening under a Chairman of the Police Authority that was a criminal.
Then of course there was the police credit card debacle when they said they would publish the report & haven't.
Why don't they use the so-called Steria savings !
Other commentators have it correct, there is no public confidence in Cleveland Police despite McLuckie's friend & ex Authority colleague the PCC saying otherwise.
Well for a start Ron Hogg could give his police car back when clearly Cleveland Police management had no right to give him it & in my opinion it was unethical to accept it. Then of course Cleveland wouldn't be so skint if they hadn't given shed loads of money in redundancies, compensation & compromise agreements to their own staff & maligned solicitors etc. That's not to mention legal costs & current ongoing investigations. All this happening under a Chairman of the Police Authority that was a criminal. Then of course there was the police credit card debacle when they said they would publish the report & haven't. Why don't they use the so-called Steria savings ! Other commentators have it correct, there is no public confidence in Cleveland Police despite McLuckie's friend & ex Authority colleague the PCC saying otherwise. Claude Ted

8:48pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Gamechanger says...

The biggest threat to local policing is the 'loss' of personal files that now prevents further investigation of payments to senior officers. That one act has set back public/police relations by years. Police voice their legitimate concerns about funding and no doubt decent hardworking staff will bear the brunt......but obviously not those at the top.
The biggest threat to local policing is the 'loss' of personal files that now prevents further investigation of payments to senior officers. That one act has set back public/police relations by years. Police voice their legitimate concerns about funding and no doubt decent hardworking staff will bear the brunt......but obviously not those at the top. Gamechanger

8:50pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Gamechanger says...

Assurance wrote:
The solution to the police funding shortfall is easily found. Take the benefits from the idle layabouts who sprawl on their settees watching their 6 foot plasma screens that hardworking citizens pay for. These people have no intention of seeking work either locally or nationally so long as those who contribute to their lifestyle benefits keep on stumping up the money.
They should be required to produce clear proof of seeking work, not just evidence of signing on the dole.
Did you post your comment from the comfort of your settee whilst watching your 6 foot plasma screen?
[quote][p][bold]Assurance[/bold] wrote: The solution to the police funding shortfall is easily found. Take the benefits from the idle layabouts who sprawl on their settees watching their 6 foot plasma screens that hardworking citizens pay for. These people have no intention of seeking work either locally or nationally so long as those who contribute to their lifestyle benefits keep on stumping up the money. They should be required to produce clear proof of seeking work, not just evidence of signing on the dole.[/p][/quote]Did you post your comment from the comfort of your settee whilst watching your 6 foot plasma screen? Gamechanger

9:31pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Assurance says...

Yes, I did write it from the comfort of my settee, in the house I paid for myself, from money earned whilst serving 22 years in the armed forces, and after leaving the forces, working in the Middle East for 6 years.
There are third world countries paying good money to British citizens prepared to make the effort to go and earn it, at rates far higher than UK employers pay.
When I discharged from the armed forces after serving 22 years in 1978 and went to sign on the dole in Darlington, I was instructed to produce evidence of work within the last 6 weeks in order to qualify, despite showing my discharge documents.
We are not unique, there are many many taxpayers today who are doing the same, whilst funding the lifestyles of the idle.
My wife worked continuously from leaving college, and throughout my time in the forces until she retired too. Those fit to work to work should show some backbone and go seeking the jobs that are out there, not only in Britain, but in many parts of the world if has the 'get up and go'.
Yes, I did write it from the comfort of my settee, in the house I paid for myself, from money earned whilst serving 22 years in the armed forces, and after leaving the forces, working in the Middle East for 6 years. There are third world countries paying good money to British citizens prepared to make the effort to go and earn it, at rates far higher than UK employers pay. When I discharged from the armed forces after serving 22 years in 1978 and went to sign on the dole in Darlington, I was instructed to produce evidence of work within the last 6 weeks in order to qualify, despite showing my discharge documents. We are not unique, there are many many taxpayers today who are doing the same, whilst funding the lifestyles of the idle. My wife worked continuously from leaving college, and throughout my time in the forces until she retired too. Those fit to work to work should show some backbone and go seeking the jobs that are out there, not only in Britain, but in many parts of the world if has the 'get up and go'. Assurance

9:21am Mon 23 Dec 13

stevegg says...

I dont care what organisation it is - you cant make cuts of 25% and stiil expect the same service to be delivered, its impossible. The council have had less than 15% cuts overall and they have been cutting services left, right and centre! I have it from a reliable source within Durham Constabulary that they are not going to recruit for at least the next 2 years relying mostly on natural wastage to save money over that period but that still wont be enough to plug the hole, another 100 police staff also have to go. Police officer numbers in Durham are expected to settle to around the 1000 mark (all ranks) by 2016 from a peak of 1700 in 2006. There is no way 1000 officers can do what 1700 officers did less than a decade ago even if there was some effeciency savings in the system!
I dont care what organisation it is - you cant make cuts of 25% and stiil expect the same service to be delivered, its impossible. The council have had less than 15% cuts overall and they have been cutting services left, right and centre! I have it from a reliable source within Durham Constabulary that they are not going to recruit for at least the next 2 years relying mostly on natural wastage to save money over that period but that still wont be enough to plug the hole, another 100 police staff also have to go. Police officer numbers in Durham are expected to settle to around the 1000 mark (all ranks) by 2016 from a peak of 1700 in 2006. There is no way 1000 officers can do what 1700 officers did less than a decade ago even if there was some effeciency savings in the system! stevegg

9:31am Mon 23 Dec 13

st-george1 says...

I heard on the grapevine … that the Labour Party says it will abolish the leftie PCC role because it is the height of incompetence, building their -councillor-friend-o
nly empires that costs the taxpayers £millions every year ... GOD HELP US ALL, it’s frightening to think our lives are in the hands of such a minority of pretentious people !
Sir Robert Peel would be turning over in his grave if he knew what game these people were playing …
I heard on the grapevine … that the Labour Party says it will abolish the leftie PCC role because it is the height of incompetence, building their -councillor-friend-o nly empires that costs the taxpayers £millions every year ... GOD HELP US ALL, it’s frightening to think our lives are in the hands of such a minority of pretentious people ! Sir Robert Peel would be turning over in his grave if he knew what game these people were playing … st-george1

11:35am Mon 23 Dec 13

Homshaw1 says...

Assurance wrote:
The solution to the police funding shortfall is easily found. Take the benefits from the idle layabouts who sprawl on their settees watching their 6 foot plasma screens that hardworking citizens pay for. These people have no intention of seeking work either locally or nationally so long as those who contribute to their lifestyle benefits keep on stumping up the money.
They should be required to produce clear proof of seeking work, not just evidence of signing on the dole.
If people had no money would that not cause more crime? Having said that handers on should be weeded out from people who are genuinely struggling and dealt with.

As for the police the standard of service has been poor for too long. There has been a failure to show any visible police presence, a failure to turn out when crimes have been committed and a readiness to overlook misdemeanours and issue warnings in preference to charging people even when funding was plentiful. There are reports that many crimes go unreported so it is difficult to know how accurate the crime figures are.

What we need is more visible and effective policing with real deterrents that make it silly to reoffend.
[quote][p][bold]Assurance[/bold] wrote: The solution to the police funding shortfall is easily found. Take the benefits from the idle layabouts who sprawl on their settees watching their 6 foot plasma screens that hardworking citizens pay for. These people have no intention of seeking work either locally or nationally so long as those who contribute to their lifestyle benefits keep on stumping up the money. They should be required to produce clear proof of seeking work, not just evidence of signing on the dole.[/p][/quote]If people had no money would that not cause more crime? Having said that handers on should be weeded out from people who are genuinely struggling and dealt with. As for the police the standard of service has been poor for too long. There has been a failure to show any visible police presence, a failure to turn out when crimes have been committed and a readiness to overlook misdemeanours and issue warnings in preference to charging people even when funding was plentiful. There are reports that many crimes go unreported so it is difficult to know how accurate the crime figures are. What we need is more visible and effective policing with real deterrents that make it silly to reoffend. Homshaw1

6:07pm Tue 24 Dec 13

roaduser98 says...

stevegg wrote:
I dont care what organisation it is - you cant make cuts of 25% and stiil expect the same service to be delivered, its impossible. The council have had less than 15% cuts overall and they have been cutting services left, right and centre! I have it from a reliable source within Durham Constabulary that they are not going to recruit for at least the next 2 years relying mostly on natural wastage to save money over that period but that still wont be enough to plug the hole, another 100 police staff also have to go. Police officer numbers in Durham are expected to settle to around the 1000 mark (all ranks) by 2016 from a peak of 1700 in 2006. There is no way 1000 officers can do what 1700 officers did less than a decade ago even if there was some effeciency savings in the system!
Quote:
" I have it from a reliable source within Durham Constabulary that they are not going to recruit for at least the next 2 years relying mostly on natural wastage to save money over that period but that still wont be enough to plug the hole",
Still got plenty of money for a new police HQ on a green field so lets have the priorities sorted. Ivory towers or useful personnel on the front line.
[quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: I dont care what organisation it is - you cant make cuts of 25% and stiil expect the same service to be delivered, its impossible. The council have had less than 15% cuts overall and they have been cutting services left, right and centre! I have it from a reliable source within Durham Constabulary that they are not going to recruit for at least the next 2 years relying mostly on natural wastage to save money over that period but that still wont be enough to plug the hole, another 100 police staff also have to go. Police officer numbers in Durham are expected to settle to around the 1000 mark (all ranks) by 2016 from a peak of 1700 in 2006. There is no way 1000 officers can do what 1700 officers did less than a decade ago even if there was some effeciency savings in the system![/p][/quote]Quote: " I have it from a reliable source within Durham Constabulary that they are not going to recruit for at least the next 2 years relying mostly on natural wastage to save money over that period but that still wont be enough to plug the hole", Still got plenty of money for a new police HQ on a green field so lets have the priorities sorted. Ivory towers or useful personnel on the front line. roaduser98

1:14pm Wed 25 Dec 13

sineater says...

It's a pity most of people commenting on hear cannot keep to the subject,as has been said you can't get the same service with 25% cuts in staff and resources that's impossible.And it has also been reported several weeks ago that the police are disreguarding many reported incidents ,because of reduced resources. They still have time to stop grasses who try and stich up officers though !!
It's a pity most of people commenting on hear cannot keep to the subject,as has been said you can't get the same service with 25% cuts in staff and resources that's impossible.And it has also been reported several weeks ago that the police are disreguarding many reported incidents ,because of reduced resources. They still have time to stop grasses who try and stich up officers though !! sineater

11:14am Thu 26 Dec 13

Mod says...

sineater wrote:
It's a pity most of people commenting on hear cannot keep to the subject,as has been said you can't get the same service with 25% cuts in staff and resources that's impossible.And it has also been reported several weeks ago that the police are disreguarding many reported incidents ,because of reduced resources. They still have time to stop grasses who try and stich up officers though !!
You can still get the same or better service after the cuts if it was 25% overbloated in the first place, hence the reduction in crime figures.
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: It's a pity most of people commenting on hear cannot keep to the subject,as has been said you can't get the same service with 25% cuts in staff and resources that's impossible.And it has also been reported several weeks ago that the police are disreguarding many reported incidents ,because of reduced resources. They still have time to stop grasses who try and stich up officers though !![/p][/quote]You can still get the same or better service after the cuts if it was 25% overbloated in the first place, hence the reduction in crime figures. Mod

4:47pm Thu 26 Dec 13

sineater says...

Like I said ,Manchester police stated they do not investigate 40% of crimes because of lack of resources,every time an employer reduces it's staff someone chirps up that they had to many staff anyway-rubbish,less staff puts more pressure on the remaining staff.People go on about out of work people need to find a job,and the same ones celebrate when an employer reduces their work force-crazy !!
Like I said ,Manchester police stated they do not investigate 40% of crimes because of lack of resources,every time an employer reduces it's staff someone chirps up that they had to many staff anyway-rubbish,less staff puts more pressure on the remaining staff.People go on about out of work people need to find a job,and the same ones celebrate when an employer reduces their work force-crazy !! sineater

11:00pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Daza says...

Good to see all the 'Policing Experts' commenting above!

The new H/Q is actually being built to save money.

Too many commentators above have a grudge against the Police to offer a sensible comment.
Good to see all the 'Policing Experts' commenting above! The new H/Q is actually being built to save money. Too many commentators above have a grudge against the Police to offer a sensible comment. Daza

11:01pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Daza says...

P.S.

It would be good to see a C. Constable make their reservations known too, but they don't want to upset their political paymasters do they!
P.S. It would be good to see a C. Constable make their reservations known too, but they don't want to upset their political paymasters do they! Daza

9:18pm Fri 27 Dec 13

spragger says...

To save money Cleveland Police need to be absorbed in a bigger force. It MAY also protect it from its constant corruption & malfeasance.

Money is not the issue, its integrity & leadership
Latest PCC included
To save money Cleveland Police need to be absorbed in a bigger force. It MAY also protect it from its constant corruption & malfeasance. Money is not the issue, its integrity & leadership Latest PCC included spragger

9:54am Sat 28 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

Hear hear. We have too many chiefs and not enough indians.
Hear hear. We have too many chiefs and not enough indians. David Lacey

2:06pm Sun 29 Dec 13

calumannabel says...

I know it was a different thread - ie the new police station greenfield site for N Yorkshire Police HQ but it does come under the umbrella of grants and spending. A decent newspaper might ask how much is being paid for the land under the Freedom of Information Act and who will pay for a spur off the A19 and let its readership know the answer. There seems to be no transparency to this deal!!!!
I know it was a different thread - ie the new police station greenfield site for N Yorkshire Police HQ but it does come under the umbrella of grants and spending. A decent newspaper might ask how much is being paid for the land under the Freedom of Information Act and who will pay for a spur off the A19 and let its readership know the answer. There seems to be no transparency to this deal!!!! calumannabel

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