Legal action against chief police officers abandoned after files go missing

Darlington and Stockton Times: CASH CALL: North Yorkshire chief constable Dave Jones and police and crime commissioner Julia Mulligan CASH CALL: North Yorkshire chief constable Dave Jones and police and crime commissioner Julia Mulligan

LEGAL action to recover £100,000 paid to a controversial former chief constable and his deputy has been abandoned, after the pair’s police personnel files vanished.

An unprecedented report published by North Yorkshire police and crime commissioner (PCC) Julia Mulligan has exposed:

* Allowances apparently outside of the legal power of the police authority being paid to chief officers;

* That at the height of the economic downturn chief constable Grahame Maxwell asked for more money, despite his six figure salary;

* Concerns dating back several years over the legality of proposed extra allowances for top officers;

* Consternation at the disappearance of official documents about senior officers.

After publishing the report, police and crime commissioner (PCC) Julia Mulligan, said she had “with great reluctance” decided against pursuing former chief constable Grahame Maxwell and ex-deputy chief constable Adam Briggs through the courts for the money.

Lawyers had advised the absence of comprehensive evidence, of which the pair’s personnel files would have been a key part, to compile a case, combined with its complexity and cost, made litigation inappropriate.

But last night the PCC called on the Home Secretary to provide clarity over what payments could be given to chief police officers.

Mrs Mulligan said: “It is important for the integrity of the police service as a whole that any grey areas are erased to avoid matters such as these arising again in the future.”

Documents in the report state Mr Maxwell, who left the force after admitting gross misconduct, asked North Yorkshire Police Authority (NYPA) to make his role a “more financially attractive prospect”, on top of his six-figure salary, during the economic downturn.

In a confidential report in November 2009, the NYPA chief executive stated Mr Maxwell had "expressed frustration that the salaries of the deputy chief constables of the larger forces are equitable to the salaries of chief constables in smaller forces which is again motivating him to consider his long-term future".

The same paper warned significant increases in the package would be politically and legally risky.

In a separate statement, Mrs Mulligan said Mr Briggs would have faced disciplinary action for potential gross misconduct in connection with one of the allowances he received had he not retired.

She added the lack of a clear and comprehensive set of chief police officer personnel files from her predecessor, NYPA , was “highly regrettable and frustrating”.

The report stated while solicitors instructed by both Mr Maxwell and Mr Briggs had sent letters to Mrs Mulligan declining an invitation to repay the money, given in good faith by NYPA, both she and the force’s chief constable Dave Jones felt there remained “an overwhelming public argument” for the ex-officers to return the funds.

In a joint statement they said: “The commissioner and the chief constable are determined that issues of this kind shall never be allowed to occur again.

“All chief officer appointments made since November 2012 do not deviate from national regulations and determinations.”

They said in future all pay and expenses given to chief police officers and the commissioner’s statutory officers would be published and that top officers’ personnel files would be stored securely.

Mr Maxwell’s solicitor, Will Burrows, said: "My client welcomes the decision of the police and crime commissioner not to attempt recover the benefits paid to him in good faith by NYPA.

“He is presently considering the report and will respond formally in due course, however he notes that there are no allegations of wrongdoing by any officer who received these payments from NYPA.”

Mr Briggs said he had been stunned by the allowances investigation and subsequent “political posturing” by Conservative Mrs Mulligan.

He said: “I am pleased, though not surprised, to learn the review concluded I acted in good faith throughout and that the PCC has accepted advice to drop this action.”

A Home Office spokeswoman said: "Chief officers' pay and allowances are set nationally, with only limited discretion for payments outside those rules.

"The regulations have been made clear to police forces and PCCs and we will continue to provide clarity to chief officers and PCCs if needed.

"The decision on recovery of any payment is a matter for PCCs, if they believe they have been made unlawfully.”

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8:33am Sat 21 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

They're at the Freemason's Hall along with the planning application for the new HQ.
They're at the Freemason's Hall along with the planning application for the new HQ. Jackaranda
  • Score: 28

8:52am Sat 21 Dec 13

darloboss says...

stinks
stinks darloboss
  • Score: 31

9:09am Sat 21 Dec 13

st-george1 says...

... the history that two more of ex Cleveland's most senior officers unsolved mysteries continues !
... the history that two more of ex Cleveland's most senior officers unsolved mysteries continues ! st-george1
  • Score: 26

9:09am Sat 21 Dec 13

stevegg says...

How convenient for him! Corruption and coverups and the highest levels as usual whilst if any small misdemeanors are committed by ther lower ranks they are hung out to dry in a blaze of publicity & indignity.
How convenient for him! Corruption and coverups and the highest levels as usual whilst if any small misdemeanors are committed by ther lower ranks they are hung out to dry in a blaze of publicity & indignity. stevegg
  • Score: 43

9:18am Sat 21 Dec 13

darloboss says...

who do we trust anymore
we have bent coppers, drunk coppers, paramedics fiddleing with patients, striking firemen, all profesions that were respected
who do we trust anymore we have bent coppers, drunk coppers, paramedics fiddleing with patients, striking firemen, all profesions that were respected darloboss
  • Score: 37

10:23am Sat 21 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

NEVER, EVER, EVER TRUST THE POLICE. If you are a victim of crime and one of their pals is involved you will be fitted up. If you commit the smallest indiscretion and you have previously made a complaint against them you will be hammered. Funny how they keep such records isn't it?
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THEY ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. ANY OF THEM.
NEVER, EVER, EVER TRUST THE POLICE. If you are a victim of crime and one of their pals is involved you will be fitted up. If you commit the smallest indiscretion and you have previously made a complaint against them you will be hammered. Funny how they keep such records isn't it? . THEY ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. ANY OF THEM. David Lacey
  • Score: 25

10:42am Sat 21 Dec 13

punkrocker says...

corrupt
corrupt punkrocker
  • Score: 16

11:26am Sat 21 Dec 13

NO EINSTEIN says...

darloboss wrote:
who do we trust anymore
we have bent coppers, drunk coppers, paramedics fiddleing with patients, striking firemen, all profesions that were respected
darloboss you can always trust me and you for our comments being very honest, and saying how things really are, no dressing up Mutton to look like Lamb for me and you.

By the way I think johnny_p is jealous of your journalistic TRUTHFUL comments judging by the knocking he gave you on the 17th of this month.

But they do say the truth hurts, your comments are A1 with me and my lot, don't ever stop.
[quote][p][bold]darloboss[/bold] wrote: who do we trust anymore we have bent coppers, drunk coppers, paramedics fiddleing with patients, striking firemen, all profesions that were respected[/p][/quote]darloboss you can always trust me and you for our comments being very honest, and saying how things really are, no dressing up Mutton to look like Lamb for me and you. By the way I think johnny_p is jealous of your journalistic TRUTHFUL comments judging by the knocking he gave you on the 17th of this month. But they do say the truth hurts, your comments are A1 with me and my lot, don't ever stop. NO EINSTEIN
  • Score: 0

11:32am Sat 21 Dec 13

settheworldonfire says...

Question...Where were the files kept? ...There must have been security cameras....
BUT AS WE ALL KNOW ALL COPPERS ArE BENT...
Question...Where were the files kept? ...There must have been security cameras.... BUT AS WE ALL KNOW ALL COPPERS ArE BENT... settheworldonfire
  • Score: 10

12:25pm Sat 21 Dec 13

behonest says...

Why am I not surprised any more, at these constant cases of police corruption?
Who will be held accountable for these files going 'missing'? That will be no-one at all then.

It's time for the government to be brave enough to review the entire structure of UK policing. People bleat on about the police needing to be 'independent', but their 'independence' has led to this culture of the police being above the law, unaccountable and corrupt.
Why am I not surprised any more, at these constant cases of police corruption? Who will be held accountable for these files going 'missing'? That will be no-one at all then. It's time for the government to be brave enough to review the entire structure of UK policing. People bleat on about the police needing to be 'independent', but their 'independence' has led to this culture of the police being above the law, unaccountable and corrupt. behonest
  • Score: 22

1:51pm Sat 21 Dec 13

sineater says...

So David,what did they do you for?
So David,what did they do you for? sineater
  • Score: -6

2:34pm Sat 21 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

Number (1)
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I reported an officer for driving the wrong way down the motorway slip road at Chester le Street into the face of the oncoming traffic. He had been sitting at the top of the slip road "observing the traffic" and instead of proceeding to the A690 junction to return to the A167, he simply turned and drove into the south bound vehicles coming up the ramp, causing mayhem. My complaint was rejected at senior level and for 6 months thereafter I was repeatedly stopped by officers on the A167 round Chester for "checks". They made it clear why.
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Number (2)
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A friend and his daughter were attacked in the car park of a care home by a drunken woman who took offence to them asking her to move so they could park their car. Both were badly beaten around the face. She had a record as long as your arm for violence, drugs, drink etc. Who do you think was prosecuted? Fortunately the Magistrates threw the case out after he'd been through 6 months of hell. Turns out she had a "special relationship" with one or more police officers. Whatever that means (I think she was a snitch).
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NEVER, EVER TRUST THEM. AS BEHONEST SAYS - CORRUPT, UNACCOUNTABLE AND ABOVE THE LAW.
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A man of my age should be standing up for them. Fat chance.
Number (1) . I reported an officer for driving the wrong way down the motorway slip road at Chester le Street into the face of the oncoming traffic. He had been sitting at the top of the slip road "observing the traffic" and instead of proceeding to the A690 junction to return to the A167, he simply turned and drove into the south bound vehicles coming up the ramp, causing mayhem. My complaint was rejected at senior level and for 6 months thereafter I was repeatedly stopped by officers on the A167 round Chester for "checks". They made it clear why. . Number (2) . A friend and his daughter were attacked in the car park of a care home by a drunken woman who took offence to them asking her to move so they could park their car. Both were badly beaten around the face. She had a record as long as your arm for violence, drugs, drink etc. Who do you think was prosecuted? Fortunately the Magistrates threw the case out after he'd been through 6 months of hell. Turns out she had a "special relationship" with one or more police officers. Whatever that means (I think she was a snitch). . NEVER, EVER TRUST THEM. AS BEHONEST SAYS - CORRUPT, UNACCOUNTABLE AND ABOVE THE LAW. . A man of my age should be standing up for them. Fat chance. David Lacey
  • Score: 18

3:20pm Sat 21 Dec 13

sineater says...

The police corrupt?,well when you have politicians, newspapers, banks, business people dodging tax,for starters,,is it any surprise,a gold willy wonka ticket iff you can find a law -abiding organisation in the u.k.!!
The police corrupt?,well when you have politicians, newspapers, banks, business people dodging tax,for starters,,is it any surprise,a gold willy wonka ticket iff you can find a law -abiding organisation in the u.k.!! sineater
  • Score: 11

4:04pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Snilly says...

Reading this does anyone have respect and trust in the law?

How about a poll NE?
Reading this does anyone have respect and trust in the law? How about a poll NE? Snilly
  • Score: 15

4:13pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

David Lacey wrote:
Number (1)
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I reported an officer for driving the wrong way down the motorway slip road at Chester le Street into the face of the oncoming traffic. He had been sitting at the top of the slip road "observing the traffic" and instead of proceeding to the A690 junction to return to the A167, he simply turned and drove into the south bound vehicles coming up the ramp, causing mayhem. My complaint was rejected at senior level and for 6 months thereafter I was repeatedly stopped by officers on the A167 round Chester for "checks". They made it clear why.
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Number (2)
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A friend and his daughter were attacked in the car park of a care home by a drunken woman who took offence to them asking her to move so they could park their car. Both were badly beaten around the face. She had a record as long as your arm for violence, drugs, drink etc. Who do you think was prosecuted? Fortunately the Magistrates threw the case out after he'd been through 6 months of hell. Turns out she had a "special relationship" with one or more police officers. Whatever that means (I think she was a snitch).
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NEVER, EVER TRUST THEM. AS BEHONEST SAYS - CORRUPT, UNACCOUNTABLE AND ABOVE THE LAW.
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A man of my age should be standing up for them. Fat chance.
Well David me lad, that's your cards marked over the festive period and beyond!!
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Number (1) . I reported an officer for driving the wrong way down the motorway slip road at Chester le Street into the face of the oncoming traffic. He had been sitting at the top of the slip road "observing the traffic" and instead of proceeding to the A690 junction to return to the A167, he simply turned and drove into the south bound vehicles coming up the ramp, causing mayhem. My complaint was rejected at senior level and for 6 months thereafter I was repeatedly stopped by officers on the A167 round Chester for "checks". They made it clear why. . Number (2) . A friend and his daughter were attacked in the car park of a care home by a drunken woman who took offence to them asking her to move so they could park their car. Both were badly beaten around the face. She had a record as long as your arm for violence, drugs, drink etc. Who do you think was prosecuted? Fortunately the Magistrates threw the case out after he'd been through 6 months of hell. Turns out she had a "special relationship" with one or more police officers. Whatever that means (I think she was a snitch). . NEVER, EVER TRUST THEM. AS BEHONEST SAYS - CORRUPT, UNACCOUNTABLE AND ABOVE THE LAW. . A man of my age should be standing up for them. Fat chance.[/p][/quote]Well David me lad, that's your cards marked over the festive period and beyond!! Jackaranda
  • Score: 11

4:22pm Sat 21 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

I'll be staying indoors with the doors locked. Keeps the nasties out, with their pepper sprays, tazers and bloomin' big dogs.
I'll be staying indoors with the doors locked. Keeps the nasties out, with their pepper sprays, tazers and bloomin' big dogs. David Lacey
  • Score: 7

5:15pm Sat 21 Dec 13

calumannabel says...

If this level of deviousness is endemic from the top downwards, how many convictions within the Cleveland and North Yorkshire forces are actually miscarriages? If this is what they do with expenses think what they must do with evidence!!!
If this level of deviousness is endemic from the top downwards, how many convictions within the Cleveland and North Yorkshire forces are actually miscarriages? If this is what they do with expenses think what they must do with evidence!!! calumannabel
  • Score: 32

6:20pm Sat 21 Dec 13

itsadoddle says...

the smell from cleveland police gets stronger by the day
the smell from cleveland police gets stronger by the day itsadoddle
  • Score: 14

6:20pm Sat 21 Dec 13

D&SGent says...

Wonderful things, shredders . . .
Wonderful things, shredders . . . D&SGent
  • Score: 13

6:56pm Sat 21 Dec 13

oliviaden6 says...

With the monies that are being wasted into so called internal investigations is it all necessary? The files and evidence goes missing and they walk away with a nice fat pension and pay off, not to mention full pay whilst all this is going on. It is a total affront to decency and a slap in the face for the public. it is about time Cleveland force was wound up and done away with. If the PCC is any good and that i doubt he should get on top of this now and hang the consequences sack the lot of them, But we all know its in the land of funny hand shakes and back slapping not to mention two fingers up at the public. I would also say that if we the public got caught with our hand in the till we would sacked and prosecuted and loose everything. There is a Old saying it takes a thief to catch a thief. TRUE!
With the monies that are being wasted into so called internal investigations is it all necessary? The files and evidence goes missing and they walk away with a nice fat pension and pay off, not to mention full pay whilst all this is going on. It is a total affront to decency and a slap in the face for the public. it is about time Cleveland force was wound up and done away with. If the PCC is any good and that i doubt he should get on top of this now and hang the consequences sack the lot of them, But we all know its in the land of funny hand shakes and back slapping not to mention two fingers up at the public. I would also say that if we the public got caught with our hand in the till we would sacked and prosecuted and loose everything. There is a Old saying it takes a thief to catch a thief. TRUE! oliviaden6
  • Score: 12

8:55pm Sat 21 Dec 13

sineater says...

Who thinks it's a good idea to mess with the police,it's like sneaking up to a Alsatian and kicking it in the family allowance--not recommended.
Who thinks it's a good idea to mess with the police,it's like sneaking up to a Alsatian and kicking it in the family allowance--not recommended. sineater
  • Score: 3

9:13pm Sat 21 Dec 13

behonest says...

sineater wrote:
The police corrupt?,well when you have politicians, newspapers, banks, business people dodging tax,for starters,,is it any surprise,a gold willy wonka ticket iff you can find a law -abiding organisation in the u.k.!!
That's why we should be voting UKIP, my old mate!

Same old Labour, same old Tories, same old corrupt Britain!
[quote][p][bold]sineater[/bold] wrote: The police corrupt?,well when you have politicians, newspapers, banks, business people dodging tax,for starters,,is it any surprise,a gold willy wonka ticket iff you can find a law -abiding organisation in the u.k.!![/p][/quote]That's why we should be voting UKIP, my old mate! Same old Labour, same old Tories, same old corrupt Britain! behonest
  • Score: 4

9:23pm Sat 21 Dec 13

NO EINSTEIN says...

I HAVE NO IDEA WHY BUT THE NORTHERN ECHO HAS DELETED ALL COMMENTS ON THIS HEADLINE, THEN RE SUBMITTED IT, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT ??
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY BUT THE NORTHERN ECHO HAS DELETED ALL COMMENTS ON THIS HEADLINE, THEN RE SUBMITTED IT, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT ?? NO EINSTEIN
  • Score: 10

9:24pm Sat 21 Dec 13

NO EINSTEIN says...

NO EINSTEIN wrote:
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY BUT THE NORTHERN ECHO HAS DELETED ALL COMMENTS ON THIS HEADLINE, THEN RE SUBMITTED IT, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT ??
This head line One dead as 4x4 and bus collide in Darlington town centre
[quote][p][bold]NO EINSTEIN[/bold] wrote: I HAVE NO IDEA WHY BUT THE NORTHERN ECHO HAS DELETED ALL COMMENTS ON THIS HEADLINE, THEN RE SUBMITTED IT, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT ??[/p][/quote]This head line One dead as 4x4 and bus collide in Darlington town centre NO EINSTEIN
  • Score: 3

9:41pm Sat 21 Dec 13

behonest says...

NO EINSTEIN wrote:
NO EINSTEIN wrote:
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY BUT THE NORTHERN ECHO HAS DELETED ALL COMMENTS ON THIS HEADLINE, THEN RE SUBMITTED IT, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT ??
This head line One dead as 4x4 and bus collide in Darlington town centre
Has this helped to find the missing personal files of these two senior cops?
[quote][p][bold]NO EINSTEIN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NO EINSTEIN[/bold] wrote: I HAVE NO IDEA WHY BUT THE NORTHERN ECHO HAS DELETED ALL COMMENTS ON THIS HEADLINE, THEN RE SUBMITTED IT, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT ??[/p][/quote]This head line One dead as 4x4 and bus collide in Darlington town centre[/p][/quote]Has this helped to find the missing personal files of these two senior cops? behonest
  • Score: 2

10:07pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Claude Ted says...

Why doesn't the PCC sue the muppets that paid out ratepayer's cash In such a reckless & profligate manner.
Rarely can this area have seen such a bunch of greedy, unethical, unprofessional people given charge of so much responsibility & discharged it so poorly.
There appears to be no audit trail & no accountability.
This a flagrant breach of trust & heads should roll.
It seems too many highly paid police staff are in it for themselves rather than actually looking to achieve results.
Why doesn't the PCC sue the muppets that paid out ratepayer's cash In such a reckless & profligate manner. Rarely can this area have seen such a bunch of greedy, unethical, unprofessional people given charge of so much responsibility & discharged it so poorly. There appears to be no audit trail & no accountability. This a flagrant breach of trust & heads should roll. It seems too many highly paid police staff are in it for themselves rather than actually looking to achieve results. Claude Ted
  • Score: 10

10:14pm Sat 21 Dec 13

thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth says...

This is seriously worrying. The UK is fast becoming the corrupt capital of the western world. Before long we'll be on par and compared with some of the African nations. I'm constantly being reminded lately about how naive I am regarding such matters. Very worrying indeed. These things eat away at the very fabric of society and ultimately lead to disorder and civil unrest. Maybe we need a revolution?
This is seriously worrying. The UK is fast becoming the corrupt capital of the western world. Before long we'll be on par and compared with some of the African nations. I'm constantly being reminded lately about how naive I am regarding such matters. Very worrying indeed. These things eat away at the very fabric of society and ultimately lead to disorder and civil unrest. Maybe we need a revolution? thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth
  • Score: 16

10:26pm Sat 21 Dec 13

settheworldonfire says...

To show how the cops are dishonest.....Drug dealing family live near us....Reported to police, mp, and Ron Hogg....Guess what...nowt done...You know why....1 of them is a police informer.....It shows how corrupt they are allowing this to happen....
To show how the cops are dishonest.....Drug dealing family live near us....Reported to police, mp, and Ron Hogg....Guess what...nowt done...You know why....1 of them is a police informer.....It shows how corrupt they are allowing this to happen.... settheworldonfire
  • Score: 11

10:32pm Sat 21 Dec 13

sineater says...

That's how the police catch a lot of people they want,through informers.
That's how the police catch a lot of people they want,through informers. sineater
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Sat 21 Dec 13

sineater says...

BEHONEST , That is just priceless,turn to u.k.ip because of corruption, ha ha,are you not forgetting the the u.k.ip mep's who were caught defrauding the e.u.,priceless just priceless l.m.f.a.o.
BEHONEST , That is just priceless,turn to u.k.ip because of corruption, ha ha,are you not forgetting the the u.k.ip mep's who were caught defrauding the e.u.,priceless just priceless l.m.f.a.o. sineater
  • Score: 6

12:18am Sun 22 Dec 13

Voice-of-reality says...

Time to accept it - we live in a Police state where, one word against them, results in harrassment and intimidation. Whereas the public backlash against politicans has begun any criticism of the police seems, remarkably, to lead to the person criticising, suddenly being arrested. I have been frightened by the actions of Cleveland Police, the Met, and those in Peterlee for a number of years. I recommend all those who criticise to always carry a recording device in case of being pulled over to 'check details' - and always keep a contemporaenous record of such incidences.
Time to accept it - we live in a Police state where, one word against them, results in harrassment and intimidation. Whereas the public backlash against politicans has begun any criticism of the police seems, remarkably, to lead to the person criticising, suddenly being arrested. I have been frightened by the actions of Cleveland Police, the Met, and those in Peterlee for a number of years. I recommend all those who criticise to always carry a recording device in case of being pulled over to 'check details' - and always keep a contemporaenous record of such incidences. Voice-of-reality
  • Score: 12

9:03am Sun 22 Dec 13

JetMorgan says...

Let us all hope that the PNC is in a better state ! HOW can WE all chewch that the Data that the Police have about US as Individuals is ACCURATE ? THEN how do WE have it CORRECTED if it is wrong ! Then how do THEY prove they have Corrected it ???
Let us all hope that the PNC is in a better state ! HOW can WE all chewch that the Data that the Police have about US as Individuals is ACCURATE ? THEN how do WE have it CORRECTED if it is wrong ! Then how do THEY prove they have Corrected it ??? JetMorgan
  • Score: 9

11:08am Sun 22 Dec 13

Mum2specialkids says...

I can remember years ago, 20 to be precise, I was 17 and wasn't in any trouble but was taken to the police station for being a runaway from a kids home. in the room I was sat in, the female police officer came in and punched me in the eye just for having hold of the silver top of a lighter.. no lighter or anything, just the top. Next day I went down with a black eye and complained to the boss, and all he said was he cant do anything about it as the other police backed her up and said nothing happened and I would never stand a chance taking police to court. There were cameras in that part I was, and I was screaming loud enough for the whole station to hear me, but yet none of them heard or saw a thing? Just shows times haven't changed, always been corrupt and liars!!
I can remember years ago, 20 to be precise, I was 17 and wasn't in any trouble but was taken to the police station for being a runaway from a kids home. in the room I was sat in, the female police officer came in and punched me in the eye just for having hold of the silver top of a lighter.. no lighter or anything, just the top. Next day I went down with a black eye and complained to the boss, and all he said was he cant do anything about it as the other police backed her up and said nothing happened and I would never stand a chance taking police to court. There were cameras in that part I was, and I was screaming loud enough for the whole station to hear me, but yet none of them heard or saw a thing? Just shows times haven't changed, always been corrupt and liars!! Mum2specialkids
  • Score: 16

1:04pm Sun 22 Dec 13

behonest says...

Mum2specialkids wrote:
I can remember years ago, 20 to be precise, I was 17 and wasn't in any trouble but was taken to the police station for being a runaway from a kids home. in the room I was sat in, the female police officer came in and punched me in the eye just for having hold of the silver top of a lighter.. no lighter or anything, just the top. Next day I went down with a black eye and complained to the boss, and all he said was he cant do anything about it as the other police backed her up and said nothing happened and I would never stand a chance taking police to court. There were cameras in that part I was, and I was screaming loud enough for the whole station to hear me, but yet none of them heard or saw a thing? Just shows times haven't changed, always been corrupt and liars!!
There will be some on here who will describe this WPC as a (yet another) 'rogue' officer. They just won't accept that the British state policing model is broken.

You've maybe just had to accept this violence and move on with your life, perhaps not trusting or wanting anything more to do with the police if you can help it.

But this can lead to serious cases. Raoul Moat hated Northumbria Police. Why? Was he constantly assaulted and physically abused by them over a period of years before he snapped, for other reasons too, but decided to take revenge on the police he hated so much? His victim - Rathband - may have been a 'good cop' (I don't know) and undeserving of his fate, but I can see why some people may 'flip' if they are often targeted with violence for no reason.

Of course, when it happens, the 'Moats' will be portrayed by the Establishment as the 'evil monster' - but 30,000 plus Facebook page members perhaps suggest that not everyone buys the spin. Funny how lots of public servants talk a lot these days about tackling mental health issues, but not one of them suggested Moat may have had 'mental health' problems. Funny old thing, he attacked a cop, so the state says he's an 'evil monster' and no-one is allowed to publicly challenge this.

The recent video in Cleveland shows that dishing out a prolonged and excessive beating to a member of the public, just seems to come naturally to some cops.

I think we'd all accept that the cops do a difficult and essential job, dealing with all kinds of dodgy characters - but in return they are paid well, and retire earlier than most. The public is right to expect their police force to act with professionalism, with integrity, to show appropriate respect, and to be subject to a transparent system of accountability for their actions, that we can all have confidence in.

The accountability is just not there. If cops can make up lies to end the career of a high-ranking cabinet minister, then what chance has some poor, working class Northerner got?
[quote][p][bold]Mum2specialkids[/bold] wrote: I can remember years ago, 20 to be precise, I was 17 and wasn't in any trouble but was taken to the police station for being a runaway from a kids home. in the room I was sat in, the female police officer came in and punched me in the eye just for having hold of the silver top of a lighter.. no lighter or anything, just the top. Next day I went down with a black eye and complained to the boss, and all he said was he cant do anything about it as the other police backed her up and said nothing happened and I would never stand a chance taking police to court. There were cameras in that part I was, and I was screaming loud enough for the whole station to hear me, but yet none of them heard or saw a thing? Just shows times haven't changed, always been corrupt and liars!![/p][/quote]There will be some on here who will describe this WPC as a (yet another) 'rogue' officer. They just won't accept that the British state policing model is broken. You've maybe just had to accept this violence and move on with your life, perhaps not trusting or wanting anything more to do with the police if you can help it. But this can lead to serious cases. Raoul Moat hated Northumbria Police. Why? Was he constantly assaulted and physically abused by them over a period of years before he snapped, for other reasons too, but decided to take revenge on the police he hated so much? His victim - Rathband - may have been a 'good cop' (I don't know) and undeserving of his fate, but I can see why some people may 'flip' if they are often targeted with violence for no reason. Of course, when it happens, the 'Moats' will be portrayed by the Establishment as the 'evil monster' - but 30,000 plus Facebook page members perhaps suggest that not everyone buys the spin. Funny how lots of public servants talk a lot these days about tackling mental health issues, but not one of them suggested Moat may have had 'mental health' problems. Funny old thing, he attacked a cop, so the state says he's an 'evil monster' and no-one is allowed to publicly challenge this. The recent video in Cleveland shows that dishing out a prolonged and excessive beating to a member of the public, just seems to come naturally to some cops. I think we'd all accept that the cops do a difficult and essential job, dealing with all kinds of dodgy characters - but in return they are paid well, and retire earlier than most. The public is right to expect their police force to act with professionalism, with integrity, to show appropriate respect, and to be subject to a transparent system of accountability for their actions, that we can all have confidence in. The accountability is just not there. If cops can make up lies to end the career of a high-ranking cabinet minister, then what chance has some poor, working class Northerner got? behonest
  • Score: 10

1:14pm Sun 22 Dec 13

WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY says...

Once again the actions of a few taint the actions of the majority. It is a sad day when 99.99% of Police Officers who perform their role to the best of their ability are castigated along with those who fail to do so.

In general Police Officers perform a creditable job often in adverse circumstances. How many contributors to this discussion would perform the role of a Police Officer? How many of you would be prepared to leave home to go to work not knowing if you are going to be verbally abused, threatened or physically assaulted; even worse have spurious complaints made against actions honestly taken an believed correct at the time.

My gues is not one of you.

In times of chaos and peril the first port of call for help are the Police and the other emergency services and whilst everyone else enjoys the festive period spare a thought for the officers of the Police, Ambulance and Fire Sevices who are working to keep everyone safe. If they are not there what is the alternative, Council Wardens, private security firms?

Finally, Police Officers are human beings too, treat them with politeness and a modicum of respect and you will receive the same in return; not much to ask is it?

Evening all, move along please. Nothing more to see
Once again the actions of a few taint the actions of the majority. It is a sad day when 99.99% of Police Officers who perform their role to the best of their ability are castigated along with those who fail to do so. In general Police Officers perform a creditable job often in adverse circumstances. How many contributors to this discussion would perform the role of a Police Officer? How many of you would be prepared to leave home to go to work not knowing if you are going to be verbally abused, threatened or physically assaulted; even worse have spurious complaints made against actions honestly taken an believed correct at the time. My gues is not one of you. In times of chaos and peril the first port of call for help are the Police and the other emergency services and whilst everyone else enjoys the festive period spare a thought for the officers of the Police, Ambulance and Fire Sevices who are working to keep everyone safe. If they are not there what is the alternative, Council Wardens, private security firms? Finally, Police Officers are human beings too, treat them with politeness and a modicum of respect and you will receive the same in return; not much to ask is it? Evening all, move along please. Nothing more to see WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY
  • Score: -9

1:31pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Mum2specialkids says...

WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY wrote:
Once again the actions of a few taint the actions of the majority. It is a sad day when 99.99% of Police Officers who perform their role to the best of their ability are castigated along with those who fail to do so.

In general Police Officers perform a creditable job often in adverse circumstances. How many contributors to this discussion would perform the role of a Police Officer? How many of you would be prepared to leave home to go to work not knowing if you are going to be verbally abused, threatened or physically assaulted; even worse have spurious complaints made against actions honestly taken an believed correct at the time.

My gues is not one of you.

In times of chaos and peril the first port of call for help are the Police and the other emergency services and whilst everyone else enjoys the festive period spare a thought for the officers of the Police, Ambulance and Fire Sevices who are working to keep everyone safe. If they are not there what is the alternative, Council Wardens, private security firms?

Finally, Police Officers are human beings too, treat them with politeness and a modicum of respect and you will receive the same in return; not much to ask is it?

Evening all, move along please. Nothing more to see
"Finally, Police Officers are human beings too, treat them with politeness and a modicum of respect and you will receive the same in return; not much to ask is it? "
I agree there are a lot of louts out there with no respect, but come on, the mejarity that do treat the police with respect and put their trust in them, are mocked, abused, or beaten by police. I was nice to the police back when I was a child, but still got beaten and verbally abused. Where was THEIR respect?
Once I was attacked by a gang.. turned out they were druggies... what did the police do?... took it no further.. why?.. because the officers on the case were involved with them and dealing with drugs too!
If the police showed more respect and concern for the public... they will get it back.. abuse their positions and the public.. they will get abuse back. Karma works in a funny way.
Im not saying all police are bad, I've had them help in a serious case and appreciate everything they have done. But If you lose trust in one, you lose trust in them all. And yes, I would be a WPC, unfortunately my disabilities stop me... and by the way, its afternoon, not evening. Have a good day. :)
[quote][p][bold]WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY[/bold] wrote: Once again the actions of a few taint the actions of the majority. It is a sad day when 99.99% of Police Officers who perform their role to the best of their ability are castigated along with those who fail to do so. In general Police Officers perform a creditable job often in adverse circumstances. How many contributors to this discussion would perform the role of a Police Officer? How many of you would be prepared to leave home to go to work not knowing if you are going to be verbally abused, threatened or physically assaulted; even worse have spurious complaints made against actions honestly taken an believed correct at the time. My gues is not one of you. In times of chaos and peril the first port of call for help are the Police and the other emergency services and whilst everyone else enjoys the festive period spare a thought for the officers of the Police, Ambulance and Fire Sevices who are working to keep everyone safe. If they are not there what is the alternative, Council Wardens, private security firms? Finally, Police Officers are human beings too, treat them with politeness and a modicum of respect and you will receive the same in return; not much to ask is it? Evening all, move along please. Nothing more to see[/p][/quote]"Finally, Police Officers are human beings too, treat them with politeness and a modicum of respect and you will receive the same in return; not much to ask is it? " I agree there are a lot of louts out there with no respect, but come on, the mejarity that do treat the police with respect and put their trust in them, are mocked, abused, or beaten by police. I was nice to the police back when I was a child, but still got beaten and verbally abused. Where was THEIR respect? Once I was attacked by a gang.. turned out they were druggies... what did the police do?... took it no further.. why?.. because the officers on the case were involved with them and dealing with drugs too! If the police showed more respect and concern for the public... they will get it back.. abuse their positions and the public.. they will get abuse back. Karma works in a funny way. Im not saying all police are bad, I've had them help in a serious case and appreciate everything they have done. But If you lose trust in one, you lose trust in them all. And yes, I would be a WPC, unfortunately my disabilities stop me... and by the way, its afternoon, not evening. Have a good day. :) Mum2specialkids
  • Score: 8

4:52pm Sun 22 Dec 13

vauxhall007 says...

A major finance fraud was reported to Bishop Auckland CID, after three months the reply from the Detective was "its a civil matter", any fraud committed is a CRIMINAL matter, the Detective delayed responding, we now are led to believe the person who committed the fraud is "an assisting offender" in other words A POLICE INFORMER.
A major finance fraud was reported to Bishop Auckland CID, after three months the reply from the Detective was "its a civil matter", any fraud committed is a CRIMINAL matter, the Detective delayed responding, we now are led to believe the person who committed the fraud is "an assisting offender" in other words A POLICE INFORMER. vauxhall007
  • Score: 15

8:03pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loan_star says...

Its not so long ago that a few Cleveland police officers got off with speeding fines because they were "advised" of a loophole in the way the signage was displayed. Nobody else who was caught by the same camera was let off with their fines and points though!
Then there were the cases with the roadworks on the A66 where the speed limit signs were placed after the camera. Several people were fined until one person actually had the guts to take it to court and the case was proven in favour of the drivers.
Just two more examples of Cleveland Polices low standards. No wonder people don't trust them.
Its not so long ago that a few Cleveland police officers got off with speeding fines because they were "advised" of a loophole in the way the signage was displayed. Nobody else who was caught by the same camera was let off with their fines and points though! Then there were the cases with the roadworks on the A66 where the speed limit signs were placed after the camera. Several people were fined until one person actually had the guts to take it to court and the case was proven in favour of the drivers. Just two more examples of Cleveland Polices low standards. No wonder people don't trust them. loan_star
  • Score: 11

8:50pm Sun 22 Dec 13

WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY says...

Still waiting for any of the complainers to say they could do a better job and would be wiling to perform the role of a Police Constable...........
...............

Evening all, move along now, there's a good member of the public, nothing more to see.
Still waiting for any of the complainers to say they could do a better job and would be wiling to perform the role of a Police Constable........... ............... Evening all, move along now, there's a good member of the public, nothing more to see. WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY
  • Score: -3

10:28pm Sun 22 Dec 13

behonest says...

WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY says...
"Still waiting for any of the complainers to say they .,.... would be wiling to perform the role of a Police Constable
Evening all, move along now, there's a good member of the public, nothing more to see."

I'll bet you that if all the corrupt members of Cleveland police were sacked tomorrow, there would be no shortage of applicants for the thousands of vacancies.

And why do you keep telling people to 'move along' - can't you just leave people alone?

And why do you keep telling people there is 'nothing more to see'? Can't you just leave people alone, to make their own mind up?

You sound like a typically arrogant, know-it-all cop!
WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY says... "Still waiting for any of the complainers to say they .,.... would be wiling to perform the role of a Police Constable Evening all, move along now, there's a good member of the public, nothing more to see." I'll bet you that if all the corrupt members of Cleveland police were sacked tomorrow, there would be no shortage of applicants for the thousands of vacancies. And why do you keep telling people to 'move along' - can't you just leave people alone? And why do you keep telling people there is 'nothing more to see'? Can't you just leave people alone, to make their own mind up? You sound like a typically arrogant, know-it-all cop! behonest
  • Score: 8

10:29pm Sun 22 Dec 13

vauxhall007 says...

WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY wrote:
Still waiting for any of the complainers to say they could do a better job and would be wiling to perform the role of a Police Constable...........

...............

Evening all, move along now, there's a good member of the public, nothing more to see.
Police officers know what the job entails, before they join any police force, I fully agree that there is a small amount of corrupt police officers as with any profession their are corrupt personnel, BUT losing files for prosecution, manipulating evidence to get a conviction and illegal activities of serving and retired members of ANY force, should result in a period in CUSTODY, to prove the law is FAIR and this would reassure member of the public that there is an honest and fair Police force.
[quote][p][bold]WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY[/bold] wrote: Still waiting for any of the complainers to say they could do a better job and would be wiling to perform the role of a Police Constable........... ............... Evening all, move along now, there's a good member of the public, nothing more to see.[/p][/quote]Police officers know what the job entails, before they join any police force, I fully agree that there is a small amount of corrupt police officers as with any profession their are corrupt personnel, BUT losing files for prosecution, manipulating evidence to get a conviction and illegal activities of serving and retired members of ANY force, should result in a period in CUSTODY, to prove the law is FAIR and this would reassure member of the public that there is an honest and fair Police force. vauxhall007
  • Score: 10

10:39pm Sun 22 Dec 13

vauxhall007 says...

behonest wrote:
Mum2specialkids wrote:
I can remember years ago, 20 to be precise, I was 17 and wasn't in any trouble but was taken to the police station for being a runaway from a kids home. in the room I was sat in, the female police officer came in and punched me in the eye just for having hold of the silver top of a lighter.. no lighter or anything, just the top. Next day I went down with a black eye and complained to the boss, and all he said was he cant do anything about it as the other police backed her up and said nothing happened and I would never stand a chance taking police to court. There were cameras in that part I was, and I was screaming loud enough for the whole station to hear me, but yet none of them heard or saw a thing? Just shows times haven't changed, always been corrupt and liars!!
There will be some on here who will describe this WPC as a (yet another) 'rogue' officer. They just won't accept that the British state policing model is broken.

You've maybe just had to accept this violence and move on with your life, perhaps not trusting or wanting anything more to do with the police if you can help it.

But this can lead to serious cases. Raoul Moat hated Northumbria Police. Why? Was he constantly assaulted and physically abused by them over a period of years before he snapped, for other reasons too, but decided to take revenge on the police he hated so much? His victim - Rathband - may have been a 'good cop' (I don't know) and undeserving of his fate, but I can see why some people may 'flip' if they are often targeted with violence for no reason.

Of course, when it happens, the 'Moats' will be portrayed by the Establishment as the 'evil monster' - but 30,000 plus Facebook page members perhaps suggest that not everyone buys the spin. Funny how lots of public servants talk a lot these days about tackling mental health issues, but not one of them suggested Moat may have had 'mental health' problems. Funny old thing, he attacked a cop, so the state says he's an 'evil monster' and no-one is allowed to publicly challenge this.

The recent video in Cleveland shows that dishing out a prolonged and excessive beating to a member of the public, just seems to come naturally to some cops.

I think we'd all accept that the cops do a difficult and essential job, dealing with all kinds of dodgy characters - but in return they are paid well, and retire earlier than most. The public is right to expect their police force to act with professionalism, with integrity, to show appropriate respect, and to be subject to a transparent system of accountability for their actions, that we can all have confidence in.

The accountability is just not there. If cops can make up lies to end the career of a high-ranking cabinet minister, then what chance has some poor, working class Northerner got?
A report was made to Bishop Auckland Police regarding a man who has threatened to kill neighbours, drives his car with no road tax or isurance, connects himself illegally into the elecricity and gas supplies, lives in squalor, this is clearly a case of a man with major mental health issues, this man needs urgent medical attention, Bishop Auckland Police, refused to deal with the complaints, if this man does carryout his threats, the story will be "we were unaware of the threats and his state of mind", Its a waste of time reporting genuine issues as they are not acted upon. The man needs treatment under The Mental Health Act, even his family asked the authorities to help him and nothing was acted on. Hopefully I NEVER have to report this man has carried out his threats.
[quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mum2specialkids[/bold] wrote: I can remember years ago, 20 to be precise, I was 17 and wasn't in any trouble but was taken to the police station for being a runaway from a kids home. in the room I was sat in, the female police officer came in and punched me in the eye just for having hold of the silver top of a lighter.. no lighter or anything, just the top. Next day I went down with a black eye and complained to the boss, and all he said was he cant do anything about it as the other police backed her up and said nothing happened and I would never stand a chance taking police to court. There were cameras in that part I was, and I was screaming loud enough for the whole station to hear me, but yet none of them heard or saw a thing? Just shows times haven't changed, always been corrupt and liars!![/p][/quote]There will be some on here who will describe this WPC as a (yet another) 'rogue' officer. They just won't accept that the British state policing model is broken. You've maybe just had to accept this violence and move on with your life, perhaps not trusting or wanting anything more to do with the police if you can help it. But this can lead to serious cases. Raoul Moat hated Northumbria Police. Why? Was he constantly assaulted and physically abused by them over a period of years before he snapped, for other reasons too, but decided to take revenge on the police he hated so much? His victim - Rathband - may have been a 'good cop' (I don't know) and undeserving of his fate, but I can see why some people may 'flip' if they are often targeted with violence for no reason. Of course, when it happens, the 'Moats' will be portrayed by the Establishment as the 'evil monster' - but 30,000 plus Facebook page members perhaps suggest that not everyone buys the spin. Funny how lots of public servants talk a lot these days about tackling mental health issues, but not one of them suggested Moat may have had 'mental health' problems. Funny old thing, he attacked a cop, so the state says he's an 'evil monster' and no-one is allowed to publicly challenge this. The recent video in Cleveland shows that dishing out a prolonged and excessive beating to a member of the public, just seems to come naturally to some cops. I think we'd all accept that the cops do a difficult and essential job, dealing with all kinds of dodgy characters - but in return they are paid well, and retire earlier than most. The public is right to expect their police force to act with professionalism, with integrity, to show appropriate respect, and to be subject to a transparent system of accountability for their actions, that we can all have confidence in. The accountability is just not there. If cops can make up lies to end the career of a high-ranking cabinet minister, then what chance has some poor, working class Northerner got?[/p][/quote]A report was made to Bishop Auckland Police regarding a man who has threatened to kill neighbours, drives his car with no road tax or isurance, connects himself illegally into the elecricity and gas supplies, lives in squalor, this is clearly a case of a man with major mental health issues, this man needs urgent medical attention, Bishop Auckland Police, refused to deal with the complaints, if this man does carryout his threats, the story will be "we were unaware of the threats and his state of mind", Its a waste of time reporting genuine issues as they are not acted upon. The man needs treatment under The Mental Health Act, even his family asked the authorities to help him and nothing was acted on. Hopefully I NEVER have to report this man has carried out his threats. vauxhall007
  • Score: 12

9:22am Mon 23 Dec 13

theWorkerScum says...

Jackaranda wrote:
David Lacey wrote:
Number (1)
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I reported an officer for driving the wrong way down the motorway slip road at Chester le Street into the face of the oncoming traffic. He had been sitting at the top of the slip road "observing the traffic" and instead of proceeding to the A690 junction to return to the A167, he simply turned and drove into the south bound vehicles coming up the ramp, causing mayhem. My complaint was rejected at senior level and for 6 months thereafter I was repeatedly stopped by officers on the A167 round Chester for "checks". They made it clear why.
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Number (2)
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A friend and his daughter were attacked in the car park of a care home by a drunken woman who took offence to them asking her to move so they could park their car. Both were badly beaten around the face. She had a record as long as your arm for violence, drugs, drink etc. Who do you think was prosecuted? Fortunately the Magistrates threw the case out after he'd been through 6 months of hell. Turns out she had a "special relationship" with one or more police officers. Whatever that means (I think she was a snitch).
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NEVER, EVER TRUST THEM. AS BEHONEST SAYS - CORRUPT, UNACCOUNTABLE AND ABOVE THE LAW.
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A man of my age should be standing up for them. Fat chance.
Well David me lad, that's your cards marked over the festive period and beyond!!
3 expect an obstruction parking ticket if parked outside a coppers house. Clearly no obstruction had occurred, should try driving down some of the villages in county Durham if u want to see obstruction.

4 expect to be warned of arrest by police for asking them why they never did anything to help me defend myself against a bouncer that takes a dislike to u for being with his ex girlfriend and tries to punch u in front of the police.

Yeah all true I'm afraid, but they all not like that.
[quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Number (1) . I reported an officer for driving the wrong way down the motorway slip road at Chester le Street into the face of the oncoming traffic. He had been sitting at the top of the slip road "observing the traffic" and instead of proceeding to the A690 junction to return to the A167, he simply turned and drove into the south bound vehicles coming up the ramp, causing mayhem. My complaint was rejected at senior level and for 6 months thereafter I was repeatedly stopped by officers on the A167 round Chester for "checks". They made it clear why. . Number (2) . A friend and his daughter were attacked in the car park of a care home by a drunken woman who took offence to them asking her to move so they could park their car. Both were badly beaten around the face. She had a record as long as your arm for violence, drugs, drink etc. Who do you think was prosecuted? Fortunately the Magistrates threw the case out after he'd been through 6 months of hell. Turns out she had a "special relationship" with one or more police officers. Whatever that means (I think she was a snitch). . NEVER, EVER TRUST THEM. AS BEHONEST SAYS - CORRUPT, UNACCOUNTABLE AND ABOVE THE LAW. . A man of my age should be standing up for them. Fat chance.[/p][/quote]Well David me lad, that's your cards marked over the festive period and beyond!![/p][/quote]3 expect an obstruction parking ticket if parked outside a coppers house. Clearly no obstruction had occurred, should try driving down some of the villages in county Durham if u want to see obstruction. 4 expect to be warned of arrest by police for asking them why they never did anything to help me defend myself against a bouncer that takes a dislike to u for being with his ex girlfriend and tries to punch u in front of the police. Yeah all true I'm afraid, but they all not like that. theWorkerScum
  • Score: 5

11:08am Mon 23 Dec 13

calumannabel says...

Surely there's a way around this. If this was a civilian being investigated 1 the bank account of the accused would be frozen. 2 the bank statements would be obtained from the bank and hey presto it would be evident what payments have been made. Then look at the rules surrounding such payments ( surely that file isn't missing too?) then ask for the money back in a formal demand letter or take court action. I'm sure the taxpayer would be happy to pay the 'legals' to see Top Plod brought to book
Surely there's a way around this. If this was a civilian being investigated 1 the bank account of the accused would be frozen. 2 the bank statements would be obtained from the bank and hey presto it would be evident what payments have been made. Then look at the rules surrounding such payments ( surely that file isn't missing too?) then ask for the money back in a formal demand letter or take court action. I'm sure the taxpayer would be happy to pay the 'legals' to see Top Plod brought to book calumannabel
  • Score: 17

11:11am Mon 23 Dec 13

calumannabel says...

vauxhall007 wrote:
behonest wrote:
Mum2specialkids wrote:
I can remember years ago, 20 to be precise, I was 17 and wasn't in any trouble but was taken to the police station for being a runaway from a kids home. in the room I was sat in, the female police officer came in and punched me in the eye just for having hold of the silver top of a lighter.. no lighter or anything, just the top. Next day I went down with a black eye and complained to the boss, and all he said was he cant do anything about it as the other police backed her up and said nothing happened and I would never stand a chance taking police to court. There were cameras in that part I was, and I was screaming loud enough for the whole station to hear me, but yet none of them heard or saw a thing? Just shows times haven't changed, always been corrupt and liars!!
There will be some on here who will describe this WPC as a (yet another) 'rogue' officer. They just won't accept that the British state policing model is broken.

You've maybe just had to accept this violence and move on with your life, perhaps not trusting or wanting anything more to do with the police if you can help it.

But this can lead to serious cases. Raoul Moat hated Northumbria Police. Why? Was he constantly assaulted and physically abused by them over a period of years before he snapped, for other reasons too, but decided to take revenge on the police he hated so much? His victim - Rathband - may have been a 'good cop' (I don't know) and undeserving of his fate, but I can see why some people may 'flip' if they are often targeted with violence for no reason.

Of course, when it happens, the 'Moats' will be portrayed by the Establishment as the 'evil monster' - but 30,000 plus Facebook page members perhaps suggest that not everyone buys the spin. Funny how lots of public servants talk a lot these days about tackling mental health issues, but not one of them suggested Moat may have had 'mental health' problems. Funny old thing, he attacked a cop, so the state says he's an 'evil monster' and no-one is allowed to publicly challenge this.

The recent video in Cleveland shows that dishing out a prolonged and excessive beating to a member of the public, just seems to come naturally to some cops.

I think we'd all accept that the cops do a difficult and essential job, dealing with all kinds of dodgy characters - but in return they are paid well, and retire earlier than most. The public is right to expect their police force to act with professionalism, with integrity, to show appropriate respect, and to be subject to a transparent system of accountability for their actions, that we can all have confidence in.

The accountability is just not there. If cops can make up lies to end the career of a high-ranking cabinet minister, then what chance has some poor, working class Northerner got?
A report was made to Bishop Auckland Police regarding a man who has threatened to kill neighbours, drives his car with no road tax or isurance, connects himself illegally into the elecricity and gas supplies, lives in squalor, this is clearly a case of a man with major mental health issues, this man needs urgent medical attention, Bishop Auckland Police, refused to deal with the complaints, if this man does carryout his threats, the story will be "we were unaware of the threats and his state of mind", Its a waste of time reporting genuine issues as they are not acted upon. The man needs treatment under The Mental Health Act, even his family asked the authorities to help him and nothing was acted on. Hopefully I NEVER have to report this man has carried out his threats.
The Lord's my Shepherd....
[quote][p][bold]vauxhall007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]behonest[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mum2specialkids[/bold] wrote: I can remember years ago, 20 to be precise, I was 17 and wasn't in any trouble but was taken to the police station for being a runaway from a kids home. in the room I was sat in, the female police officer came in and punched me in the eye just for having hold of the silver top of a lighter.. no lighter or anything, just the top. Next day I went down with a black eye and complained to the boss, and all he said was he cant do anything about it as the other police backed her up and said nothing happened and I would never stand a chance taking police to court. There were cameras in that part I was, and I was screaming loud enough for the whole station to hear me, but yet none of them heard or saw a thing? Just shows times haven't changed, always been corrupt and liars!![/p][/quote]There will be some on here who will describe this WPC as a (yet another) 'rogue' officer. They just won't accept that the British state policing model is broken. You've maybe just had to accept this violence and move on with your life, perhaps not trusting or wanting anything more to do with the police if you can help it. But this can lead to serious cases. Raoul Moat hated Northumbria Police. Why? Was he constantly assaulted and physically abused by them over a period of years before he snapped, for other reasons too, but decided to take revenge on the police he hated so much? His victim - Rathband - may have been a 'good cop' (I don't know) and undeserving of his fate, but I can see why some people may 'flip' if they are often targeted with violence for no reason. Of course, when it happens, the 'Moats' will be portrayed by the Establishment as the 'evil monster' - but 30,000 plus Facebook page members perhaps suggest that not everyone buys the spin. Funny how lots of public servants talk a lot these days about tackling mental health issues, but not one of them suggested Moat may have had 'mental health' problems. Funny old thing, he attacked a cop, so the state says he's an 'evil monster' and no-one is allowed to publicly challenge this. The recent video in Cleveland shows that dishing out a prolonged and excessive beating to a member of the public, just seems to come naturally to some cops. I think we'd all accept that the cops do a difficult and essential job, dealing with all kinds of dodgy characters - but in return they are paid well, and retire earlier than most. The public is right to expect their police force to act with professionalism, with integrity, to show appropriate respect, and to be subject to a transparent system of accountability for their actions, that we can all have confidence in. The accountability is just not there. If cops can make up lies to end the career of a high-ranking cabinet minister, then what chance has some poor, working class Northerner got?[/p][/quote]A report was made to Bishop Auckland Police regarding a man who has threatened to kill neighbours, drives his car with no road tax or isurance, connects himself illegally into the elecricity and gas supplies, lives in squalor, this is clearly a case of a man with major mental health issues, this man needs urgent medical attention, Bishop Auckland Police, refused to deal with the complaints, if this man does carryout his threats, the story will be "we were unaware of the threats and his state of mind", Its a waste of time reporting genuine issues as they are not acted upon. The man needs treatment under The Mental Health Act, even his family asked the authorities to help him and nothing was acted on. Hopefully I NEVER have to report this man has carried out his threats.[/p][/quote]The Lord's my Shepherd.... calumannabel
  • Score: 9

4:07pm Mon 23 Dec 13

calumannabel says...

WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY wrote:
Once again the actions of a few taint the actions of the majority. It is a sad day when 99.99% of Police Officers who perform their role to the best of their ability are castigated along with those who fail to do so.

In general Police Officers perform a creditable job often in adverse circumstances. How many contributors to this discussion would perform the role of a Police Officer? How many of you would be prepared to leave home to go to work not knowing if you are going to be verbally abused, threatened or physically assaulted; even worse have spurious complaints made against actions honestly taken an believed correct at the time.

My gues is not one of you.

In times of chaos and peril the first port of call for help are the Police and the other emergency services and whilst everyone else enjoys the festive period spare a thought for the officers of the Police, Ambulance and Fire Sevices who are working to keep everyone safe. If they are not there what is the alternative, Council Wardens, private security firms?

Finally, Police Officers are human beings too, treat them with politeness and a modicum of respect and you will receive the same in return; not much to ask is it?

Evening all, move along please. Nothing more to see
If you think it's 99.9% that are OK dream on.
[quote][p][bold]WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY[/bold] wrote: Once again the actions of a few taint the actions of the majority. It is a sad day when 99.99% of Police Officers who perform their role to the best of their ability are castigated along with those who fail to do so. In general Police Officers perform a creditable job often in adverse circumstances. How many contributors to this discussion would perform the role of a Police Officer? How many of you would be prepared to leave home to go to work not knowing if you are going to be verbally abused, threatened or physically assaulted; even worse have spurious complaints made against actions honestly taken an believed correct at the time. My gues is not one of you. In times of chaos and peril the first port of call for help are the Police and the other emergency services and whilst everyone else enjoys the festive period spare a thought for the officers of the Police, Ambulance and Fire Sevices who are working to keep everyone safe. If they are not there what is the alternative, Council Wardens, private security firms? Finally, Police Officers are human beings too, treat them with politeness and a modicum of respect and you will receive the same in return; not much to ask is it? Evening all, move along please. Nothing more to see[/p][/quote]If you think it's 99.9% that are OK dream on. calumannabel
  • Score: 12

8:41am Tue 24 Dec 13

WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY says...

Morning all, hope you all slept safely last night in the knowledge whilst you slept wicked and evil Police Officers patrolled the streets to enable you to be safe.

To all the cynics out there, Merry Christmas and a safe, healthy and happy New Year for 2014.
Morning all, hope you all slept safely last night in the knowledge whilst you slept wicked and evil Police Officers patrolled the streets to enable you to be safe. To all the cynics out there, Merry Christmas and a safe, healthy and happy New Year for 2014. WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY
  • Score: -6

10:08am Tue 24 Dec 13

hippyjohn says...

Cleveland Police Force are the best that money can buy
Cleveland Police Force are the best that money can buy hippyjohn
  • Score: 1

9:29pm Tue 24 Dec 13

calumannabel says...

WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY wrote:
Morning all, hope you all slept safely last night in the knowledge whilst you slept wicked and evil Police Officers patrolled the streets to enable you to be safe.

To all the cynics out there, Merry Christmas and a safe, healthy and happy New Year for 2014.
The people in Caistor Drive who were burgled last night didn't seem to benefit from the patrolling officers. How many police actually walk the beats these days - they are all in cars and vans with the heaters on? We are not cynics but realists. You seem to be locked in a time when George Dixon patrolled Dock Green chasing 'Chummy'.
[quote][p][bold]WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY[/bold] wrote: Morning all, hope you all slept safely last night in the knowledge whilst you slept wicked and evil Police Officers patrolled the streets to enable you to be safe. To all the cynics out there, Merry Christmas and a safe, healthy and happy New Year for 2014.[/p][/quote]The people in Caistor Drive who were burgled last night didn't seem to benefit from the patrolling officers. How many police actually walk the beats these days - they are all in cars and vans with the heaters on? We are not cynics but realists. You seem to be locked in a time when George Dixon patrolled Dock Green chasing 'Chummy'. calumannabel
  • Score: 13

12:00pm Thu 26 Dec 13

John Justice says...

As a former Police Officer, having retired some years ago I do understand the frustration of many regarding the Cleveland Police situation. I also can only understand a little of some of the comments made by posters about "Bent and Corrupt" Coppers but many comments made are plainly laughable. I was badly assaulted a number of times, threatened countless others. An unarmed colleague was shot and killed for doing his job protecting the public. Not so long ago two unarmed female Police Officers were shot dead for doing their duty. To make comments about Moat in the context of this subject is ludicrous bearing in mind Moat murdered an innocent man and shot his former girl friend, but hey, he was a good guy much maligned by the corrupt Police.
I hold no truck with corrupt Police Officers or officers of what ever rank who fail the public but the amount of unsubstantiated vitriol that leaks into subject matter such as these missing files make me shake my head and wonder about some posters. Just remember also that it is the CPS who make the final decisions about investigations and prosecutions, not the Police.
As a former Police Officer, having retired some years ago I do understand the frustration of many regarding the Cleveland Police situation. I also can only understand a little of some of the comments made by posters about "Bent and Corrupt" Coppers but many comments made are plainly laughable. I was badly assaulted a number of times, threatened countless others. An unarmed colleague was shot and killed for doing his job protecting the public. Not so long ago two unarmed female Police Officers were shot dead for doing their duty. To make comments about Moat in the context of this subject is ludicrous bearing in mind Moat murdered an innocent man and shot his former girl friend, but hey, he was a good guy much maligned by the corrupt Police. I hold no truck with corrupt Police Officers or officers of what ever rank who fail the public but the amount of unsubstantiated vitriol that leaks into subject matter such as these missing files make me shake my head and wonder about some posters. Just remember also that it is the CPS who make the final decisions about investigations and prosecutions, not the Police. John Justice
  • Score: -3

12:16pm Thu 26 Dec 13

David Lacey says...

I'm sure that the majority of police officers are decent people doing a tough job in difficult circumstances. But we have had far too many examples of gross misbehaviour and I'm afraid that public confidence in the service has hit an all time low. And when things go wrong invariably they circle the wagons to protect the guilty parties in their ranks. I would never trust a policeman to do the right thing. I suspect they have a hidden agenda. Always.
I'm sure that the majority of police officers are decent people doing a tough job in difficult circumstances. But we have had far too many examples of gross misbehaviour and I'm afraid that public confidence in the service has hit an all time low. And when things go wrong invariably they circle the wagons to protect the guilty parties in their ranks. I would never trust a policeman to do the right thing. I suspect they have a hidden agenda. Always. David Lacey
  • Score: 2

3:48pm Thu 26 Dec 13

behonest says...

John Justice says...
"the amount of unsubstantiated vitriol that leaks into subject matter such as these missing files make me shake my head and wonder about some posters. Just remember also that it is the CPS who make the final decisions about investigations and prosecutions, not the Police."

Come on. The police knew fine well that legal action is very unlikely to proceed without these personnel files. So they just happen to 'go missing'.
John Justice says... "the amount of unsubstantiated vitriol that leaks into subject matter such as these missing files make me shake my head and wonder about some posters. Just remember also that it is the CPS who make the final decisions about investigations and prosecutions, not the Police." Come on. The police knew fine well that legal action is very unlikely to proceed without these personnel files. So they just happen to 'go missing'. behonest
  • Score: 6

8:55am Fri 27 Dec 13

darloboss says...

hippyjohn wrote:
Cleveland Police Force are the best that money can buy
sorry hippyjohn you missed out the word chocolate insert after the word "that and money"
[quote][p][bold]hippyjohn[/bold] wrote: Cleveland Police Force are the best that money can buy[/p][/quote]sorry hippyjohn you missed out the word chocolate insert after the word "that and money" darloboss
  • Score: 0

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