Cleveland Police respond to accusations of brutality as arrest footage goes viral

Darlington and Stockton Times: Cleveland Police Cleveland Police

CLEVELAND Police have responded to accusations of police brutality after CCTV footage of a man being arrested went viral today (Tuesday, December 10).

The force faced a hail of online criticism in the wake of the video being posted on YouTube.

The video, taken on Thursday, August 1, shows the aftermath of an incident in which the arrested man had head-butted police officers responding to reports of a man being drunk and disorderly on Stockton High Street.

CCTV cameras captured the man being forcibly restrained before being put into a police van.

The footage clearly shows one police officer knee the man – who was on the floor at the time – several times in the back before another punches him repeatedly.

A woman at the scene is also restrained by police officers.

Many comments posted in response to the video – entitled ‘Cleveland Police Brutality: putting people first’ - attacked the officers for their response.

Jon Kamara said: “Bobbies punching, kicking and kneeing you is out of order.

“Their uniform does not give them the right to do what they want and break the laws they are meant to uphold.

“They are nowt but bullies.”

However, a statement from Cleveland Police said officers used trained and recognised techniques and did not resort to using tasers or batons.

It said the man had been attempting to bite the officers and was digging his nails into their arms while they were attempting to handcuff him, adding that it was important not to take the footage out of context.

The footage has been viewed by the force’s Professional Standards Department, who were satisfied that the officers acted in accordance with legislation and their training.

A spokeswoman from Cleveland Police said: “A Cleveland Police spokesperson said: “Officers deal with extremely violent individuals on a daily basis who could be under the influence of drink or drugs, which also has a part to play in increasing the offender’s mindset and strength.

“There is a danger that this footage could be taken out of context on first viewing, but it is important to view it with full knowledge of the facts.”

The man later pleaded guilty at court to two counts of assaulting a constable in the execution of his or her duty and possession of cannabis.

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7:16pm Tue 10 Dec 13

NO EINSTEIN says...

Anyone found the link ?
Anyone found the link ? NO EINSTEIN

7:28pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Mike B. says...

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=9ixvylsnN
f4
http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=9ixvylsnN f4 Mike B.

7:52pm Tue 10 Dec 13

English lad says...

Police went way over top beating this man but nothing has or will be done, he could of been tasered or pepper sprayed but they chose to give him a good hiding, they all must feel very tough!!!
Police went way over top beating this man but nothing has or will be done, he could of been tasered or pepper sprayed but they chose to give him a good hiding, they all must feel very tough!!! English lad

9:31pm Tue 10 Dec 13

NO EINSTEIN says...

Mike B. wrote:
http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=9ixvylsnN

f4
Er no try again
[quote][p][bold]Mike B.[/bold] wrote: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=9ixvylsnN f4[/p][/quote]Er no try again NO EINSTEIN

10:45pm Tue 10 Dec 13

ApplyReason says...

They didn't really "give him a good hiding" though did they!!! The head butted policeman looks worse of. Don't headbutt an officer of the law. I don't know about you but to me that's quite as simple rule to follow. The law must be upheld and this man was breaking it. Well done Cleveland police. Nothing worse than seeing the scum of society hiding behind the law when convenient then flouting it the next. Don't run away from the police. Don't assault them. Don't carry drugs. Here endeth the lesson.
They didn't really "give him a good hiding" though did they!!! The head butted policeman looks worse of. Don't headbutt an officer of the law. I don't know about you but to me that's quite as simple rule to follow. The law must be upheld and this man was breaking it. Well done Cleveland police. Nothing worse than seeing the scum of society hiding behind the law when convenient then flouting it the next. Don't run away from the police. Don't assault them. Don't carry drugs. Here endeth the lesson. ApplyReason

12:08am Wed 11 Dec 13

HH1954 says...

Well done Cleveland Constabulary.
Another toe rag brought to heel. If this is police brutality I would like to see it when it really kicks off.
A nothing story and no different to what goes off in every High street the length and breadth of the country every weekend.
Well done Cleveland Constabulary. Another toe rag brought to heel. If this is police brutality I would like to see it when it really kicks off. A nothing story and no different to what goes off in every High street the length and breadth of the country every weekend. HH1954

3:56am Wed 11 Dec 13

echo-man says...

Fantastic response from Cleveland Police and I fully commend the actions of every officer involved!

It's funny, but I have never been "assaulted" by a police officer. Must be because I don't go around head butting them first!
Fantastic response from Cleveland Police and I fully commend the actions of every officer involved! It's funny, but I have never been "assaulted" by a police officer. Must be because I don't go around head butting them first! echo-man

8:16am Wed 11 Dec 13

sidneybarnes says...

he was restrained, on the deck, not moving, and the copper just thought he ws install his own form of justice and give him a totally uneccassary series on blows to he chest, you can see he is enjoying it by the number of times hes doing it, i thought we had a court of law to decide puishment, there was no way the lad was going anyway, but kick ten bells out of him anyway, i dont believe the headbutt story either, maybe the guy was hit first and defended himself, they even punched the girl who was with him, as usual, the police will get let off and the media will use propoganda to shift blame to the guy getting his head smashed in.
he was restrained, on the deck, not moving, and the copper just thought he ws install his own form of justice and give him a totally uneccassary series on blows to he chest, you can see he is enjoying it by the number of times hes doing it, i thought we had a court of law to decide puishment, there was no way the lad was going anyway, but kick ten bells out of him anyway, i dont believe the headbutt story either, maybe the guy was hit first and defended himself, they even punched the girl who was with him, as usual, the police will get let off and the media will use propoganda to shift blame to the guy getting his head smashed in. sidneybarnes

8:23am Wed 11 Dec 13

ApplyReason says...

So you prefer to speculate as to the good intentions of a drunk drug user as opposed yo believing someone who has chose to dedicate there life to upholding the law? Well I suppose your entitled to your delusional opinion. Just like this man who was "defending" himself will no doubt get of very lightly. As the "law" is great at punishing petty criminals isn't it. Criminals in my opinion should be scared of the police. They should fear the retribution for whatever crime they are committing. The courts do not seem very good in getting this message across.
So you prefer to speculate as to the good intentions of a drunk drug user as opposed yo believing someone who has chose to dedicate there life to upholding the law? Well I suppose your entitled to your delusional opinion. Just like this man who was "defending" himself will no doubt get of very lightly. As the "law" is great at punishing petty criminals isn't it. Criminals in my opinion should be scared of the police. They should fear the retribution for whatever crime they are committing. The courts do not seem very good in getting this message across. ApplyReason

9:03am Wed 11 Dec 13

sidneybarnes says...

No speculation, i looked at the video evidence, your the one speculating, as your using 'hearsay' supplied by the police which you have no idea to be true or not and valuing that evidence above the only empirical evidence which happens to be the the video of guy on the floor getting his head smashed in, the drug use propognda is a meaningless distraction, alcohol which is legal in this country would have been a far bigger contributer to any aggression in this incident than a small amount of canabis which is a pacifier, regardless of which, the circumstances of his arrest should have nothing to do with british justice, courts of law dictate puishments, not the police, something you seem oblivious to, and everybody seems oblivious too, police arrest criminals, courts set punishments, not the other way around
No speculation, i looked at the video evidence, your the one speculating, as your using 'hearsay' supplied by the police which you have no idea to be true or not and valuing that evidence above the only empirical evidence which happens to be the the video of guy on the floor getting his head smashed in, the drug use propognda is a meaningless distraction, alcohol which is legal in this country would have been a far bigger contributer to any aggression in this incident than a small amount of canabis which is a pacifier, regardless of which, the circumstances of his arrest should have nothing to do with british justice, courts of law dictate puishments, not the police, something you seem oblivious to, and everybody seems oblivious too, police arrest criminals, courts set punishments, not the other way around sidneybarnes

12:36pm Wed 11 Dec 13

jcrnyks says...

Seems strange the police wanted rid of the lad on the bike hmmm maybe interesting to talk to him find out what really happened. have the police not heard of pressure points, there is no need to knee kick or punch someone who is restrained on the floor
Seems strange the police wanted rid of the lad on the bike hmmm maybe interesting to talk to him find out what really happened. have the police not heard of pressure points, there is no need to knee kick or punch someone who is restrained on the floor jcrnyks

1:00pm Wed 11 Dec 13

sidneybarnes says...

Was the Guy actually arrested for any crimes other than getting his face beaten in?, why did the police get involved in the first place?, is this what they do, drive around all night, looking for people who have had a few beers and try and excert authority and agression instead of looking for common law criminals and crime, whats the context here?, why did the police interact with him in the first place , all questions unanswered, he was probably walking home with his girlfriend, some police decided they didn't like it, what kind of reaction do the police expect to get from a human being if they attack him/her, nothing?, docile behaviour?, no resistance?, if somebody dragged me to the ground or started to try and bully me for no reason i too would be agressive, more standing up to the tyranny of cleveland police and assumed athourity,. the question remains, why the hell was he arrested in the first place?
Was the Guy actually arrested for any crimes other than getting his face beaten in?, why did the police get involved in the first place?, is this what they do, drive around all night, looking for people who have had a few beers and try and excert authority and agression instead of looking for common law criminals and crime, whats the context here?, why did the police interact with him in the first place , all questions unanswered, he was probably walking home with his girlfriend, some police decided they didn't like it, what kind of reaction do the police expect to get from a human being if they attack him/her, nothing?, docile behaviour?, no resistance?, if somebody dragged me to the ground or started to try and bully me for no reason i too would be agressive, more standing up to the tyranny of cleveland police and assumed athourity,. the question remains, why the hell was he arrested in the first place? sidneybarnes

4:57pm Wed 11 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

ApplyReason wrote:
They didn't really "give him a good hiding" though did they!!! The head butted policeman looks worse of. Don't headbutt an officer of the law. I don't know about you but to me that's quite as simple rule to follow. The law must be upheld and this man was breaking it. Well done Cleveland police. Nothing worse than seeing the scum of society hiding behind the law when convenient then flouting it the next. Don't run away from the police. Don't assault them. Don't carry drugs. Here endeth the lesson.
can no one see the young lady being assaulted by police ? and you are assuming the police statement is true ! jedi mind trick being used here ! they are clearly gang beating two people - disgraceful what had that woman done nothing zero , and the guy on the bike ? BULLIES
[quote][p][bold]ApplyReason[/bold] wrote: They didn't really "give him a good hiding" though did they!!! The head butted policeman looks worse of. Don't headbutt an officer of the law. I don't know about you but to me that's quite as simple rule to follow. The law must be upheld and this man was breaking it. Well done Cleveland police. Nothing worse than seeing the scum of society hiding behind the law when convenient then flouting it the next. Don't run away from the police. Don't assault them. Don't carry drugs. Here endeth the lesson.[/p][/quote]can no one see the young lady being assaulted by police ? and you are assuming the police statement is true ! jedi mind trick being used here ! they are clearly gang beating two people - disgraceful what had that woman done nothing zero , and the guy on the bike ? BULLIES CLEVELANDPC

4:59pm Wed 11 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

can no one see the young lady being assaulted by police ? and you are assuming the police statement is true ! jedi mind trick being used here lol ! they are clearly gang beating two people - disgraceful what had that woman done nothing zero , and the guy on the bike ? BULLIES
can no one see the young lady being assaulted by police ? and you are assuming the police statement is true ! jedi mind trick being used here lol ! they are clearly gang beating two people - disgraceful what had that woman done nothing zero , and the guy on the bike ? BULLIES CLEVELANDPC

10:00pm Wed 11 Dec 13

PJ Chingford says...

Go get em!
Go get em! PJ Chingford

10:17pm Wed 11 Dec 13

PJ Chingford says...

Ant before the bleeding heart liberals (or anti police lobby) start crying, I have watched the whole video and see an apparently violent drunk being arrested and a woman who can't seem to take the hint and stay away, and the other morons that obviously think it's OK to abuse officers in the course of their duties. Be careful what you wish for because you just might need their help one day. I used the work in London and was on the tube coming home after a later night at college, at one stop a gang of about 6 got on the train led by some moronic skinhead, they immediately began to pick on an asian lad who was just sitting reading his book, to my shame I did nothing and i can handle myself but an off duty police officer stepped in and kept 6 of them at bay, one of whom was threatening him with a walking cane, he kept them penned up at one end of the carriage being spat at , threatened and abused until the next station when BTP police piled in an nicked the lot, he got a rousing round of applause but was clearly shaken. So unless you have tried to arrest a violent drunk I don't think you are really in a position to comment and this looks no more serious that any similar incident you see on police programmes every week, just a pathetic attempt to undermine the rule of law, lesson 1 don't head but a copper!
Ant before the bleeding heart liberals (or anti police lobby) start crying, I have watched the whole video and see an apparently violent drunk being arrested and a woman who can't seem to take the hint and stay away, and the other morons that obviously think it's OK to abuse officers in the course of their duties. Be careful what you wish for because you just might need their help one day. I used the work in London and was on the tube coming home after a later night at college, at one stop a gang of about 6 got on the train led by some moronic skinhead, they immediately began to pick on an asian lad who was just sitting reading his book, to my shame I did nothing and i can handle myself but an off duty police officer stepped in and kept 6 of them at bay, one of whom was threatening him with a walking cane, he kept them penned up at one end of the carriage being spat at , threatened and abused until the next station when BTP police piled in an nicked the lot, he got a rousing round of applause but was clearly shaken. So unless you have tried to arrest a violent drunk I don't think you are really in a position to comment and this looks no more serious that any similar incident you see on police programmes every week, just a pathetic attempt to undermine the rule of law, lesson 1 don't head but a copper! PJ Chingford

8:31am Thu 12 Dec 13

Ian James says...

If you ever get arrested off Cleveland Police, your most important line to them is to say, Please don't hit me again officer!! And if your black, Please, dont hit me again, and again and again, officer!! Coz they knock **** out them blacks don't they, well aye!!
If you ever get arrested off Cleveland Police, your most important line to them is to say, Please don't hit me again officer!! And if your black, Please, dont hit me again, and again and again, officer!! Coz they knock **** out them blacks don't they, well aye!! Ian James

12:39pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

We'll the only thing I can see wrong here is 2 drunken scummies a*seholing around, we'll done coppers for keeping the streets safe for law abiding citizens!!
We'll the only thing I can see wrong here is 2 drunken scummies a*seholing around, we'll done coppers for keeping the streets safe for law abiding citizens!! Jackaranda

8:53pm Thu 12 Dec 13

giggitty says...

sidneybarnes wrote:
Was the Guy actually arrested for any crimes other than getting his face beaten in?, why did the police get involved in the first place?, is this what they do, drive around all night, looking for people who have had a few beers and try and excert authority and agression instead of looking for common law criminals and crime, whats the context here?, why did the police interact with him in the first place , all questions unanswered, he was probably walking home with his girlfriend, some police decided they didn't like it, what kind of reaction do the police expect to get from a human being if they attack him/her, nothing?, docile behaviour?, no resistance?, if somebody dragged me to the ground or started to try and bully me for no reason i too would be agressive, more standing up to the tyranny of cleveland police and assumed athourity,. the question remains, why the hell was he arrested in the first place?
Didn't your previous post say you dont speculate? This whole post is complete conjecture!
[quote][p][bold]sidneybarnes[/bold] wrote: Was the Guy actually arrested for any crimes other than getting his face beaten in?, why did the police get involved in the first place?, is this what they do, drive around all night, looking for people who have had a few beers and try and excert authority and agression instead of looking for common law criminals and crime, whats the context here?, why did the police interact with him in the first place , all questions unanswered, he was probably walking home with his girlfriend, some police decided they didn't like it, what kind of reaction do the police expect to get from a human being if they attack him/her, nothing?, docile behaviour?, no resistance?, if somebody dragged me to the ground or started to try and bully me for no reason i too would be agressive, more standing up to the tyranny of cleveland police and assumed athourity,. the question remains, why the hell was he arrested in the first place?[/p][/quote]Didn't your previous post say you dont speculate? This whole post is complete conjecture! giggitty

4:54pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

giggitty wrote:
sidneybarnes wrote:
Was the Guy actually arrested for any crimes other than getting his face beaten in?, why did the police get involved in the first place?, is this what they do, drive around all night, looking for people who have had a few beers and try and excert authority and agression instead of looking for common law criminals and crime, whats the context here?, why did the police interact with him in the first place , all questions unanswered, he was probably walking home with his girlfriend, some police decided they didn't like it, what kind of reaction do the police expect to get from a human being if they attack him/her, nothing?, docile behaviour?, no resistance?, if somebody dragged me to the ground or started to try and bully me for no reason i too would be agressive, more standing up to the tyranny of cleveland police and assumed athourity,. the question remains, why the hell was he arrested in the first place?
Didn't your previous post say you dont speculate? This whole post is complete conjecture!
Yes, Sidney dropped a bollock there, did he not?
[quote][p][bold]giggitty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sidneybarnes[/bold] wrote: Was the Guy actually arrested for any crimes other than getting his face beaten in?, why did the police get involved in the first place?, is this what they do, drive around all night, looking for people who have had a few beers and try and excert authority and agression instead of looking for common law criminals and crime, whats the context here?, why did the police interact with him in the first place , all questions unanswered, he was probably walking home with his girlfriend, some police decided they didn't like it, what kind of reaction do the police expect to get from a human being if they attack him/her, nothing?, docile behaviour?, no resistance?, if somebody dragged me to the ground or started to try and bully me for no reason i too would be agressive, more standing up to the tyranny of cleveland police and assumed athourity,. the question remains, why the hell was he arrested in the first place?[/p][/quote]Didn't your previous post say you dont speculate? This whole post is complete conjecture![/p][/quote]Yes, Sidney dropped a bollock there, did he not? Jackaranda

5:38pm Fri 13 Dec 13

WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY says...

Here we go again, the armchair law enforcers have a go at the actual law enforcers. The basic question to ask the moronic armchair experts is, "What would you do in those circumstances?"

Police Officers are taught restraint and defensive techniques which by their very nature can be perceived as being aggressive, They are entitled to use those techniques as long as the use can be justified and deemed to be necessary at the time of use.

Police Officers are no longer expected to be passive punch bags and have the right to defend themselves, their colleagues and the public by using sufficient force as is necessary
Here we go again, the armchair law enforcers have a go at the actual law enforcers. The basic question to ask the moronic armchair experts is, "What would you do in those circumstances?" Police Officers are taught restraint and defensive techniques which by their very nature can be perceived as being aggressive, They are entitled to use those techniques as long as the use can be justified and deemed to be necessary at the time of use. Police Officers are no longer expected to be passive punch bags and have the right to defend themselves, their colleagues and the public by using sufficient force as is necessary WEST HARTLEPOOL BOY

6:00pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Duke of Aycliffe says...

A lot of anti police armchair experts on here, spouting the usual rubbish. The police do an extremely hard job 365 days a year, & they deal with some of the most difficult & dangerous parts of society, & they get little thanks for it. Just numbheads who want to stick the boot in.
You only get arrested if you cause trouble or break the law. The man in question would have been stopped by the copper for a valid reason. If he was so innocent why did he headbutt the policeman? There was no need to do that however, in the UK there are far too many thicko wannabe tough guys, who think they can slap a copper & not get hit back. Try that in the United States & you would probably get shot.
Try nutting a copper in somewhere like Belfast & you'll wake up in intensive care with no front teeth. Only criminals have something to fear from the police. People who get aggressive & violent with the police should be taken back to the station & get beaten to within an inch of their life, if that happened these mugs would never get into trouble again.
A lot of anti police armchair experts on here, spouting the usual rubbish. The police do an extremely hard job 365 days a year, & they deal with some of the most difficult & dangerous parts of society, & they get little thanks for it. Just numbheads who want to stick the boot in. You only get arrested if you cause trouble or break the law. The man in question would have been stopped by the copper for a valid reason. If he was so innocent why did he headbutt the policeman? There was no need to do that however, in the UK there are far too many thicko wannabe tough guys, who think they can slap a copper & not get hit back. Try that in the United States & you would probably get shot. Try nutting a copper in somewhere like Belfast & you'll wake up in intensive care with no front teeth. Only criminals have something to fear from the police. People who get aggressive & violent with the police should be taken back to the station & get beaten to within an inch of their life, if that happened these mugs would never get into trouble again. Duke of Aycliffe

9:03pm Fri 13 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

A great example of long overdue excellent professional good old fashioned 'preventive common sense non-politically correct policing'. A 'drunken-druggie fuelled' scumbag who tries to bite the arm of a Police Officer. The Police Officer had he been bitten could have caught 'HIV or some drug related illness' as a result of a bite. I would love to see one of these 'Anti-Police critic's try and 'Police' a City Street for just One Hour never mind One Day, having to deal with this lowlife scum 'drunk-druggies' which are both a local and national disgrace and blight our British Streets with their 'criminal Anti-Social behaviour' and 'discarded Drug -needles' on public streets.. Police having to deal with lowlife like this on a daily basis need medals as big as frying pans and mark my word 99 per cent of decent working class people back our excellent police to th hilt. Carry on lads you are do a great job where I wager 9O per cent on this site would not have the moral fibre or guts to do. The Police nowadays need medals as big as Frying-Pans.
A great example of long overdue excellent professional good old fashioned 'preventive common sense non-politically correct policing'. A 'drunken-druggie fuelled' scumbag who tries to bite the arm of a Police Officer. The Police Officer had he been bitten could have caught 'HIV or some drug related illness' as a result of a bite. I would love to see one of these 'Anti-Police critic's try and 'Police' a City Street for just One Hour never mind One Day, having to deal with this lowlife scum 'drunk-druggies' which are both a local and national disgrace and blight our British Streets with their 'criminal Anti-Social behaviour' and 'discarded Drug -needles' on public streets.. Police having to deal with lowlife like this on a daily basis need medals as big as frying pans and mark my word 99 per cent of decent working class people back our excellent police to th hilt. Carry on lads you are do a great job where I wager 9O per cent on this site would not have the moral fibre or guts to do. The Police nowadays need medals as big as Frying-Pans. cushybutterfield

9:15pm Fri 13 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

The trouble is in our Country that the majority of the British Public nowadays, dispite the occasional Policing hiccups, having never had in so good when it comes to overall policing. The majority take everyday policing for granted because they have no perception or clue what real policing ...............or any of the 'front line emergency services' have to put up with in drink-drug frenzy fuelled Britain and what policing. is about .........as most of the public are quite happily............ co-cooned in their little safe insular worlds. More interested in walking their dog or filling in their Lotto Ticket, than whats going on on their drunken druggie swollen Town or City doorstep.
The trouble is in our Country that the majority of the British Public nowadays, dispite the occasional Policing hiccups, having never had in so good when it comes to overall policing. The majority take everyday policing for granted because they have no perception or clue what real policing ...............or any of the 'front line emergency services' have to put up with in drink-drug frenzy fuelled Britain and what policing. is about .........as most of the public are quite happily............ co-cooned in their little safe insular worlds. More interested in walking their dog or filling in their Lotto Ticket, than whats going on on their drunken druggie swollen Town or City doorstep. cushybutterfield

9:28pm Fri 13 Dec 13

ApplyReason says...

Good to see I'm not in the minority. Best not to get in a debate with the liberals. It only ends with a lengthy discussion about how we can all co exist harmoniously, I'm sure a lot of them think they could control an out of control drunk with a bunch of flowers and some kind words.
Good to see I'm not in the minority. Best not to get in a debate with the liberals. It only ends with a lengthy discussion about how we can all co exist harmoniously, I'm sure a lot of them think they could control an out of control drunk with a bunch of flowers and some kind words. ApplyReason

9:42pm Fri 13 Dec 13

echo-man says...

I am totally encouraged by the amount of support shown for the police in the comments here, bar one or two small minded individuals! Fantastic to see, I was beginning to think everyone hated the police these days after reading some of the bad press that has been published recently...
I am totally encouraged by the amount of support shown for the police in the comments here, bar one or two small minded individuals! Fantastic to see, I was beginning to think everyone hated the police these days after reading some of the bad press that has been published recently... echo-man

9:59pm Fri 13 Dec 13

thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth says...

The piece of scum who headbutted the police officer got everything he deserved. There's nothing else to report here.
The piece of scum who headbutted the police officer got everything he deserved. There's nothing else to report here. thetruththewholetruthandnothingbutthetruth

2:40pm Sat 14 Dec 13

rem5010 says...

I support the Police on this one. At the end of the day he assaulted the Police Officer first. The other officers were trying to restrain and subdue him. To be honest he deserved it, and if the Police were allowed to use more force, then there would be less trouble on the streets. No doubt demon drink had a part to play in it.
I support the Police on this one. At the end of the day he assaulted the Police Officer first. The other officers were trying to restrain and subdue him. To be honest he deserved it, and if the Police were allowed to use more force, then there would be less trouble on the streets. No doubt demon drink had a part to play in it. rem5010

3:06pm Sat 14 Dec 13

nostra says...

It seems to me that we are missing something here. I was told there were no findings at court, That's a very important point in law, it is neither proved or disproved. A person is innocent until proven guilty. The police should have put that in there press release.
It seems to me that we are missing something here. I was told there were no findings at court, That's a very important point in law, it is neither proved or disproved. A person is innocent until proven guilty. The police should have put that in there press release. nostra

5:34pm Sat 14 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

rem5010 wrote:
I support the Police on this one. At the end of the day he assaulted the Police Officer first. The other officers were trying to restrain and subdue him. To be honest he deserved it, and if the Police were allowed to use more force, then there would be less trouble on the streets. No doubt demon drink had a part to play in it.
there where no findings by the courts that this man assaulted anyone.
[quote][p][bold]rem5010[/bold] wrote: I support the Police on this one. At the end of the day he assaulted the Police Officer first. The other officers were trying to restrain and subdue him. To be honest he deserved it, and if the Police were allowed to use more force, then there would be less trouble on the streets. No doubt demon drink had a part to play in it.[/p][/quote]there where no findings by the courts that this man assaulted anyone. CLEVELANDPC

5:44pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Jackaranda says...

CLEVELANDPC wrote:
rem5010 wrote:
I support the Police on this one. At the end of the day he assaulted the Police Officer first. The other officers were trying to restrain and subdue him. To be honest he deserved it, and if the Police were allowed to use more force, then there would be less trouble on the streets. No doubt demon drink had a part to play in it.
there where no findings by the courts that this man assaulted anyone.
"The man later pleaded guilty at court to two counts of assaulting a constable in the execution of his or her duty and possession of cannabis."
[quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rem5010[/bold] wrote: I support the Police on this one. At the end of the day he assaulted the Police Officer first. The other officers were trying to restrain and subdue him. To be honest he deserved it, and if the Police were allowed to use more force, then there would be less trouble on the streets. No doubt demon drink had a part to play in it.[/p][/quote]there where no findings by the courts that this man assaulted anyone.[/p][/quote]"The man later pleaded guilty at court to two counts of assaulting a constable in the execution of his or her duty and possession of cannabis." Jackaranda

6:03pm Sat 14 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

CLEVELANDPC wrote:
Jackaranda wrote:
CLEVELANDPC wrote:
rem5010 wrote:
I support the Police on this one. At the end of the day he assaulted the Police Officer first. The other officers were trying to restrain and subdue him. To be honest he deserved it, and if the Police were allowed to use more force, then there would be less trouble on the streets. No doubt demon drink had a part to play in it.
there where no findings by the courts that this man assaulted anyone.
"The man later pleaded guilty at court to two counts of assaulting a constable in the execution of his or her duty and possession of cannabis."
You misunderstand me, There were no findings - regardless of guilty plea.
my mistake *deliberately* assaulted
[quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jackaranda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rem5010[/bold] wrote: I support the Police on this one. At the end of the day he assaulted the Police Officer first. The other officers were trying to restrain and subdue him. To be honest he deserved it, and if the Police were allowed to use more force, then there would be less trouble on the streets. No doubt demon drink had a part to play in it.[/p][/quote]there where no findings by the courts that this man assaulted anyone.[/p][/quote]"The man later pleaded guilty at court to two counts of assaulting a constable in the execution of his or her duty and possession of cannabis."[/p][/quote]You misunderstand me, There were no findings - regardless of guilty plea.[/p][/quote]my mistake *deliberately* assaulted CLEVELANDPC

6:09pm Sat 14 Dec 13

ApplyReason says...

Oh dear. Well I am out with a few friends. No doubt the armchair law enforcer is hard at work putting the world to rights through those rose tinted spectacles. If I see a police officer tonight I certainly won't be running away or head butting him. That's for sure.
Oh dear. Well I am out with a few friends. No doubt the armchair law enforcer is hard at work putting the world to rights through those rose tinted spectacles. If I see a police officer tonight I certainly won't be running away or head butting him. That's for sure. ApplyReason

10:28pm Sat 14 Dec 13

settheworldonfire says...

The police are a law unto themselves. Plus the officers who brutalized these people are being investigated. People who wish to make a complaint about these police officers are asked to write to the home office or e-mail them about this.
The police are a law unto themselves. Plus the officers who brutalized these people are being investigated. People who wish to make a complaint about these police officers are asked to write to the home office or e-mail them about this. settheworldonfire

11:10pm Sat 14 Dec 13

echo-man says...

settheworldonfire wrote:
The police are a law unto themselves. Plus the officers who brutalized these people are being investigated. People who wish to make a complaint about these police officers are asked to write to the home office or e-mail them about this.
Clearly you would rather spout rubbish than stick to the facts...

Quote - "The footage has been viewed by the force’s Professional Standards Department, who were satisfied that the officers acted in accordance with legislation and their training."

Clearly they have been investigated and, rightly so, it has been decided that the officers acted lawfully within the bounds of their training! :)
[quote][p][bold]settheworldonfire[/bold] wrote: The police are a law unto themselves. Plus the officers who brutalized these people are being investigated. People who wish to make a complaint about these police officers are asked to write to the home office or e-mail them about this.[/p][/quote]Clearly you would rather spout rubbish than stick to the facts... Quote - "The footage has been viewed by the force’s Professional Standards Department, who were satisfied that the officers acted in accordance with legislation and their training." Clearly they have been investigated and, rightly so, it has been decided that the officers acted lawfully within the bounds of their training! :) echo-man

12:57am Sun 15 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

this thread is representational of police views only, i hadn't realized the echo was owned by cleveland constabulary? - i make this assumption based on the repeated slanderous remarks about the public and the blinkered egotistical notions that everyone is an idiot apart from you and your buddies - excellent public relations officers.
this thread is representational of police views only, i hadn't realized the echo was owned by cleveland constabulary? - i make this assumption based on the repeated slanderous remarks about the public and the blinkered egotistical notions that everyone is an idiot apart from you and your buddies - excellent public relations officers. CLEVELANDPC

1:06am Sun 15 Dec 13

ApplyReason says...

CLEVELANDPC wrote:
this thread is representational of police views only, i hadn't realized the echo was owned by cleveland constabulary? - i make this assumption based on the repeated slanderous remarks about the public and the blinkered egotistical notions that everyone is an idiot apart from you and your buddies - excellent public relations officers.
The only person with a "blinkered" view is the one mis interpreting the views of others. Subjecting them to speculation about the professions of an individual. Not entirely sure why that matters. I do not nor have I ever worked in law enforcement.

You are a conspiracy lover at heart it is plain to see, trolling your way from one post to the next hoping for a catch to enlighten your night. I rather enjoy reading your replies in all honesty. Give me a little chuckle. Especially the ones showing precedent. The effort involved is significant. Maybe a touch obsessive. Who am I to judge. Enjoy your night :)
[quote][p][bold]CLEVELANDPC[/bold] wrote: this thread is representational of police views only, i hadn't realized the echo was owned by cleveland constabulary? - i make this assumption based on the repeated slanderous remarks about the public and the blinkered egotistical notions that everyone is an idiot apart from you and your buddies - excellent public relations officers.[/p][/quote]The only person with a "blinkered" view is the one mis interpreting the views of others. Subjecting them to speculation about the professions of an individual. Not entirely sure why that matters. I do not nor have I ever worked in law enforcement. You are a conspiracy lover at heart it is plain to see, trolling your way from one post to the next hoping for a catch to enlighten your night. I rather enjoy reading your replies in all honesty. Give me a little chuckle. Especially the ones showing precedent. The effort involved is significant. Maybe a touch obsessive. Who am I to judge. Enjoy your night :) ApplyReason

1:07am Sun 15 Dec 13

echo-man says...

Oh, hang on a minute, so it's ok for members of the public to spout off misinformed slander about the police (as you have been doing) - but when the police defend themselves, rightly so, its an outrage!

The funny thing is, I'm not even an officer, nor are any of my family! I'm just a law abiding citizen that appreciates the good work these men and women do on a daily basis for people like you who don't appreciate nor deserve it!

Next time you need the police, don't phone them! You don't deserve them! Phone the local scum bags instead and see how far they get you!
Oh, hang on a minute, so it's ok for members of the public to spout off misinformed slander about the police (as you have been doing) - but when the police defend themselves, rightly so, its an outrage! The funny thing is, I'm not even an officer, nor are any of my family! I'm just a law abiding citizen that appreciates the good work these men and women do on a daily basis for people like you who don't appreciate nor deserve it! Next time you need the police, don't phone them! You don't deserve them! Phone the local scum bags instead and see how far they get you! echo-man

1:18am Sun 15 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

anyone that has disagreed with any pro public bashing has been called a variety of names as for spouting misinformed facts , also untrue. well documented cases, that's all . The god complex is rife here. i will go before i am bashed ...
anyone that has disagreed with any pro public bashing has been called a variety of names as for spouting misinformed facts , also untrue. well documented cases, that's all . The god complex is rife here. i will go before i am bashed ... CLEVELANDPC

10:55am Sun 15 Dec 13

Dykeonabike says...

It's clear more force was used than needed that poor girl was a victim of the police in this case. I'm sure if I made a citizens arrest in this manner id be charged with ABH or GBH it's disgusting, these police officers are under investigation if Cleveland police were happy with the way this situation was dealt with why the **** are they under investigation??? I have nothing against Cleveland police but a small minority believe that they are the law. No justice!!!!
What about the violent attack on the poor girl who clearly didn't touch any officer but was manhandled anyway and yet people are quick to tar her with the same brush as they are the man and are speculating on the intentions of that man when he's already pleaded guilty. They show no remorse not even a mention on how they brutally treated that girl
It's clear more force was used than needed that poor girl was a victim of the police in this case. I'm sure if I made a citizens arrest in this manner id be charged with ABH or GBH it's disgusting, these police officers are under investigation if Cleveland police were happy with the way this situation was dealt with why the **** are they under investigation??? I have nothing against Cleveland police but a small minority believe that they are the law. No justice!!!! What about the violent attack on the poor girl who clearly didn't touch any officer but was manhandled anyway and yet people are quick to tar her with the same brush as they are the man and are speculating on the intentions of that man when he's already pleaded guilty. They show no remorse not even a mention on how they brutally treated that girl Dykeonabike

2:08pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Duke of Aycliffe says...

echo-man wrote:
I am totally encouraged by the amount of support shown for the police in the comments here, bar one or two small minded individuals! Fantastic to see, I was beginning to think everyone hated the police these days after reading some of the bad press that has been published recently...
The majority of people are pro - police as we all know that they do an extremely difficult job & they get very little thanks for it. When things go wrong the tabloids & certain members of society with an axe to grind are the first to criticize them.
We should consider how lucky we are in the UK to have such a professional police force(s). You never know when you may need their help.
[quote][p][bold]echo-man[/bold] wrote: I am totally encouraged by the amount of support shown for the police in the comments here, bar one or two small minded individuals! Fantastic to see, I was beginning to think everyone hated the police these days after reading some of the bad press that has been published recently...[/p][/quote]The majority of people are pro - police as we all know that they do an extremely difficult job & they get very little thanks for it. When things go wrong the tabloids & certain members of society with an axe to grind are the first to criticize them. We should consider how lucky we are in the UK to have such a professional police force(s). You never know when you may need their help. Duke of Aycliffe

4:01pm Sun 15 Dec 13

behonest says...

Duke of Aycliffe wrote:
echo-man wrote:
I am totally encouraged by the amount of support shown for the police in the comments here, bar one or two small minded individuals! Fantastic to see, I was beginning to think everyone hated the police these days after reading some of the bad press that has been published recently...
The majority of people are pro - police as we all know that they do an extremely difficult job & they get very little thanks for it. When things go wrong the tabloids & certain members of society with an axe to grind are the first to criticize them.
We should consider how lucky we are in the UK to have such a professional police force(s). You never know when you may need their help.
echo-man. Why has there been bad press recently? Is it totally undeserved? From the Hillsborough cover-up, to trying to cover-up the killing of that newspaper seller in London, to lying about a high-ranking Cabinet Minister and attempting to end his career, (and I could go on), where does it all stop? Are these all 'rogue' officers or is there a culture problem?

If someone at the highest end of our establishment is not safe from police corruption and lies, where does that leave the rest of us? Probably hoping that we never end up having to deal with them.

This footage does suggest a couple of cops have gone way over the top with their violence, and it should be properly, and independently, investigated. It's no good for the Professional Standards Dept of Cleveland Police being told by the Chief Constable of Cleveland Police to make a particular statement.
Now we all know what a bad reputation Cleveland Police has, and hopefully it is only a matter of time before they are closed down and taken over by neighbouring forces, but until this happens they should be held accountable - just like everyone else in public life.

Duke of Aycliffe. Lucky? Why should we consider ourselves 'lucky'? It's living in a democracy that gives us the police that we, the public, want. Our politicians implement the structure, accountability, etc, of the public bodies that we want, the bodies don't decide for themselves. The police are well paid and well trained to do the job that we want from them, if they don't like it they can quit - and I'll bet there will be no shortage of applicants for the resulting vacancies. I do agree that they do a difficult and demanding job, and frequently have to deal with 'unsavoury' characters, but that is why they are well paid and pensioned off at an earlier age than the majority of working people. So it ain't all bad being a copper..
[quote][p][bold]Duke of Aycliffe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echo-man[/bold] wrote: I am totally encouraged by the amount of support shown for the police in the comments here, bar one or two small minded individuals! Fantastic to see, I was beginning to think everyone hated the police these days after reading some of the bad press that has been published recently...[/p][/quote]The majority of people are pro - police as we all know that they do an extremely difficult job & they get very little thanks for it. When things go wrong the tabloids & certain members of society with an axe to grind are the first to criticize them. We should consider how lucky we are in the UK to have such a professional police force(s). You never know when you may need their help.[/p][/quote]echo-man. Why has there been bad press recently? Is it totally undeserved? From the Hillsborough cover-up, to trying to cover-up the killing of that newspaper seller in London, to lying about a high-ranking Cabinet Minister and attempting to end his career, (and I could go on), where does it all stop? Are these all 'rogue' officers or is there a culture problem? If someone at the highest end of our establishment is not safe from police corruption and lies, where does that leave the rest of us? Probably hoping that we never end up having to deal with them. This footage does suggest a couple of cops have gone way over the top with their violence, and it should be properly, and independently, investigated. It's no good for the Professional Standards Dept of Cleveland Police being told by the Chief Constable of Cleveland Police to make a particular statement. Now we all know what a bad reputation Cleveland Police has, and hopefully it is only a matter of time before they are closed down and taken over by neighbouring forces, but until this happens they should be held accountable - just like everyone else in public life. Duke of Aycliffe. Lucky? Why should we consider ourselves 'lucky'? It's living in a democracy that gives us the police that we, the public, want. Our politicians implement the structure, accountability, etc, of the public bodies that we want, the bodies don't decide for themselves. The police are well paid and well trained to do the job that we want from them, if they don't like it they can quit - and I'll bet there will be no shortage of applicants for the resulting vacancies. I do agree that they do a difficult and demanding job, and frequently have to deal with 'unsavoury' characters, but that is why they are well paid and pensioned off at an earlier age than the majority of working people. So it ain't all bad being a copper.. behonest

4:53pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Grrrr35 says...

I know the girl in the video. All they were doing, before all this kicked off, was having an argument! They had said their piece, to each other, & had turned to go their separate ways when the police got involved & then the videoed incident then ensued!! I am a supporter of the police force & i have many friends in the profession but aspects of this restraining of the guy were vengeful & unnecessary! The lass in the video is literally black & blue after the incident. She was forcibly taken to the ground & then paraded around with her skirt round her waist...All she was shouting, at the officers, was for them to stop hitting guy on the floor because he was unconscious & could not defend himself!!! They have used excessive force on her & whether the guy head-butted the officer or not it is not an excuse for them to beat another human unconscious then continue to beat him!!! She is still traumatised from the incident in question & she is also a hard-working, law abiding member of the public!!!!
I know the girl in the video. All they were doing, before all this kicked off, was having an argument! They had said their piece, to each other, & had turned to go their separate ways when the police got involved & then the videoed incident then ensued!! I am a supporter of the police force & i have many friends in the profession but aspects of this restraining of the guy were vengeful & unnecessary! The lass in the video is literally black & blue after the incident. She was forcibly taken to the ground & then paraded around with her skirt round her waist...All she was shouting, at the officers, was for them to stop hitting guy on the floor because he was unconscious & could not defend himself!!! They have used excessive force on her & whether the guy head-butted the officer or not it is not an excuse for them to beat another human unconscious then continue to beat him!!! She is still traumatised from the incident in question & she is also a hard-working, law abiding member of the public!!!! Grrrr35

11:20pm Mon 16 Dec 13

CLEVELANDPC says...

The point I'm trying to make is the huge divide between police and public here it's not ok for anyone to treat anyone like that on one side we have knowledge of a police force with a chequered past as does the police force of its public it would be unfair to make generalisations about either
The point I'm trying to make is the huge divide between police and public here it's not ok for anyone to treat anyone like that on one side we have knowledge of a police force with a chequered past as does the police force of its public it would be unfair to make generalisations about either CLEVELANDPC

12:35pm Tue 17 Dec 13

AndyAsh says...

How does footage like this get onto YouTube? It doesn't fill you with confidence of the control of CCTV systems.

The organisation (i guess the council) that runs this scheme should possibly refer this to the Police for investigation but not post it for the world to see.
How does footage like this get onto YouTube? It doesn't fill you with confidence of the control of CCTV systems. The organisation (i guess the council) that runs this scheme should possibly refer this to the Police for investigation but not post it for the world to see. AndyAsh

2:41pm Tue 17 Dec 13

johnny_p says...

I didn't realise the Police were allowed to act as Judge, Jury and Executioner? Still, I live and learn eh?

Maybe next time instead of getting a speeding ticket I should just get a few teeth kicked out instead eh?

Interesting comments. Perhaps all from serving Cleveland Police officers?
I didn't realise the Police were allowed to act as Judge, Jury and Executioner? Still, I live and learn eh? Maybe next time instead of getting a speeding ticket I should just get a few teeth kicked out instead eh? Interesting comments. Perhaps all from serving Cleveland Police officers? johnny_p

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