Council scrutiny committee examines plans to introduce extra wheelie bin for recyclables

Darlington and Stockton Times: Most Darlington residents could have two wheelie bins by next October Most Darlington residents could have two wheelie bins by next October

A SCRUTINY committee examining Darlington Council’s cost-cutting plans to introduce alternate weekly refuse collections next year has discussed proposals for the introduction of an extra bin for recycling.

In a special meeting of the place scrutiny committee today (Thursday, December 5) members considered the options available for a new system in which general waste will be collected one week, and recyclable materials the other.

The preferred option is for the majority of Darlington households to be given a new 240-litre wheelie bin with a caddy inside to separate paper and card from cans and plastics.

This will be collected on an alternate week from the regular waste wheelie bin, replacing the current system of weekly rubbish collections and fortnightly recycling collections.

Residents will continue to use their green box for recycling glass.

About 10,000 homes have been identified by the council as being unsuitable to receive a second bin due to access problems for the collection vehicles.

These properties will still switch to alternate weekly collections but instead of receiving a new bin they will be given an extra box to recycle plastics and metals, alongside the existing regime of a box for glass and blue sack for paper and card.

Although the committee welcomed the £400,000 annual savings that the new system is expected to make, and the environmental benefits, Coun Richard Grundy warned that the idea of having a second wheelie bin will be “deeply unpopular” among some residents.

His concerns were echoed by committee chairwoman Coun Dorothy Long who questioned why residents could not choose the extra box option given to homes exempt from the extra bin for access reasons.

She said: “There are a lot of streets with very small back yards and residents have already raised issues about the size of one wheelie bin.

“I think they will be aghast at the idea of having to store two.”

Ian Thompson, the council’s assistant director of community services, said only the homes already identified by the council as having access issues would be exempt from receiving an extra bin.

He added that the system has been proven to work in 11 out of the 13 nearby authorities that operate it, including Richmondshire, Durham County Council and Redcar and Cleveland.

After a consultation period, a full report will be presented to the cabinet in early January and if the new system is approved, it is likely to be introduced in October next year.

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5:01pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Mistake says...

the flats where I live already have a number of wheeled bins stored on the street due to the lack of front or rear yard access. Residents here are going to be very unhappy at the prospect of doubling the number of bins.
the flats where I live already have a number of wheeled bins stored on the street due to the lack of front or rear yard access. Residents here are going to be very unhappy at the prospect of doubling the number of bins. Mistake

6:44pm Thu 5 Dec 13

oliviaden6 says...

First it was one bin and a bag and a box, now it is another wheelie bin and additional boxes, the buggers are breeding around the back of the town hall.
First it was one bin and a bag and a box, now it is another wheelie bin and additional boxes, the buggers are breeding around the back of the town hall. oliviaden6

7:02pm Thu 5 Dec 13

sarahd says...

I like the wheelie bin and won't mind another for recycling but I worry that I may over fill the waste one in 2 weeks as I fill a larger sized one quite frequently. I know there will be quite a lot we will then be able to recycle (which is a great improvement on what we can recycle at the minute) but unsure if it will be half. I am unable to get to the tip so will be a problem.

Other than that, if it works out I wouldn't mind another bin and fortnightly collections but this is only because I have the space for 2 bins and I am sick of seeing my card/paper recycling in the house(which I always have quite a lot of), however, this is not the case for everyone especially for those with a small back yard. I used to be in that situation years ago and that was the only space for my children to play.
I like the wheelie bin and won't mind another for recycling but I worry that I may over fill the waste one in 2 weeks as I fill a larger sized one quite frequently. I know there will be quite a lot we will then be able to recycle (which is a great improvement on what we can recycle at the minute) but unsure if it will be half. I am unable to get to the tip so will be a problem. Other than that, if it works out I wouldn't mind another bin and fortnightly collections but this is only because I have the space for 2 bins and I am sick of seeing my card/paper recycling in the house(which I always have quite a lot of), however, this is not the case for everyone especially for those with a small back yard. I used to be in that situation years ago and that was the only space for my children to play. sarahd

7:56pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Lifetime Townie says...

Best place to store the wheelie bins is on the pavement outside of the house. Residents have no obligation to store the wheelie bins on their premises.
Best place to store the wheelie bins is on the pavement outside of the house. Residents have no obligation to store the wheelie bins on their premises. Lifetime Townie

9:15pm Thu 5 Dec 13

tabby67 says...

I would like a garden waste bin please DBC!!!!
I'm all for them bring it on :D
I would like a garden waste bin please DBC!!!! I'm all for them bring it on :D tabby67

6:13am Fri 6 Dec 13

darloboss says...

and can i have another for my wiskey bottles please
and can i have another for my wiskey bottles please darloboss

6:37am Fri 6 Dec 13

fourmars says...

A recycle bin is for everything recyclable, it all goes in the one bin,every council I know work this way and they have weekly alternative bin collections and it works great, SO WHY DBC DO YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO MAKE A EASY OPTION A DIFFICULT ONE.!!!!
A recycle bin is for everything recyclable, it all goes in the one bin,every council I know work this way and they have weekly alternative bin collections and it works great, SO WHY DBC DO YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO MAKE A EASY OPTION A DIFFICULT ONE.!!!! fourmars

9:24am Fri 6 Dec 13

miketually says...

The floor space taken up by two bins is far less than that taken up by an assortment of bin bags, plus they don't get torn or leak.

Like sarahd, we end up with a mound of paper and card in our kitchen by the end of two weeks, which then gets blown about the place when placed outside. I can't remember when we last had the blue bag, as it never survived more than one or two collections, so I'm glad to see the end of that.
The floor space taken up by two bins is far less than that taken up by an assortment of bin bags, plus they don't get torn or leak. Like sarahd, we end up with a mound of paper and card in our kitchen by the end of two weeks, which then gets blown about the place when placed outside. I can't remember when we last had the blue bag, as it never survived more than one or two collections, so I'm glad to see the end of that. miketually

10:41am Fri 6 Dec 13

Jaga says...

" if the new system is approved". If? It will start in October, and the streets will be littered with the overflow from many wheelie bins. This overflow will of course not be collected, thus adding to the litter problem which angers Bill (I'm not very bright but can lift heavy things) Dixon.
" if the new system is approved". If? It will start in October, and the streets will be littered with the overflow from many wheelie bins. This overflow will of course not be collected, thus adding to the litter problem which angers Bill (I'm not very bright but can lift heavy things) Dixon. Jaga

11:01am Fri 6 Dec 13

Rosvanian says...

Jaga wrote:
" if the new system is approved". If? It will start in October, and the streets will be littered with the overflow from many wheelie bins. This overflow will of course not be collected, thus adding to the litter problem which angers Bill (I'm not very bright but can lift heavy things) Dixon.
I assume that your statement is based on firm, verifiable evidence collected from the many local authorites that have used multiple wheelie bins for years. Or , as I suspect, you''ve just made up some imagined scenorio that fits your own world view and justifies, in your mind, the witless personal insult directed at the leader of the Council?
[quote][p][bold]Jaga[/bold] wrote: " if the new system is approved". If? It will start in October, and the streets will be littered with the overflow from many wheelie bins. This overflow will of course not be collected, thus adding to the litter problem which angers Bill (I'm not very bright but can lift heavy things) Dixon.[/p][/quote]I assume that your statement is based on firm, verifiable evidence collected from the many local authorites that have used multiple wheelie bins for years. Or , as I suspect, you''ve just made up some imagined scenorio that fits your own world view and justifies, in your mind, the witless personal insult directed at the leader of the Council? Rosvanian

12:25pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Homshaw1 says...

The present wheelie bins prevent lots of unbagged rubbish in the streets and stop rats. Even now people are dumping rubbish because the bins are not big enough.

When rubbish is not in bins the council seem to leave it there. So not against it in theory but worried how the council will operate it in practice.
The present wheelie bins prevent lots of unbagged rubbish in the streets and stop rats. Even now people are dumping rubbish because the bins are not big enough. When rubbish is not in bins the council seem to leave it there. So not against it in theory but worried how the council will operate it in practice. Homshaw1

12:33pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Yemen says...

good idea the current recycling box would not hold all my daughters Lego !
good idea the current recycling box would not hold all my daughters Lego ! Yemen

3:28pm Fri 6 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

"...to be given a new 240-litre wheelie bin with a caddy inside to separate paper and card from cans and plastics"

So are plastics now to be included in the items to be recycled - as at present it is just paper and glass. What about metal??

It will suit me as I have space for two bins and will improve the useless plastic sack issue - but why was all this not implemented in one go? It's as if decisions by DBC are made by spin the bottle!!
"...to be given a new 240-litre wheelie bin with a caddy inside to separate paper and card from cans and plastics" So are plastics now to be included in the items to be recycled - as at present it is just paper and glass. What about metal?? It will suit me as I have space for two bins and will improve the useless plastic sack issue - but why was all this not implemented in one go? It's as if decisions by DBC are made by spin the bottle!! DarloXman

3:29pm Fri 6 Dec 13

JJ2000 says...

I think DBC is operated by the reptiles from 'V'.

Hamster collection service coming soon.
I think DBC is operated by the reptiles from 'V'. Hamster collection service coming soon. JJ2000

3:33pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Jaga says...

Rosvanian wrote:
Jaga wrote:
" if the new system is approved". If? It will start in October, and the streets will be littered with the overflow from many wheelie bins. This overflow will of course not be collected, thus adding to the litter problem which angers Bill (I'm not very bright but can lift heavy things) Dixon.
I assume that your statement is based on firm, verifiable evidence collected from the many local authorites that have used multiple wheelie bins for years. Or , as I suspect, you''ve just made up some imagined scenorio that fits your own world view and justifies, in your mind, the witless personal insult directed at the leader of the Council?
I don't often respond to any comments made about what I have written in assorted newspaper websites or other forums. After all, everyone is entitled to their own opinion about something or some person. I certainly don't agree with a lot that appears in the Echo's pages, but that's life.

The term which 'Rosvanian' refers to, I learnt as a young soldier many years ago. More years than I care to remember. I'd be surprised if it is not still used. We would often say it about ourselves. Between us, it meant nothing, and we called ourselves worse. I do feel it is apt for certain politicians today. It may indeed suit Ed Balls, David Cameron or Alex Salmond to name only three. I've used it about our Leader of the Council before. As an insult, it does not rank very highly compared with what politicians use against each other. e.g. "A retail mind in a wholesale business" (David Lloyd George abut Neville Chamberlain). I like what I wrote, and will continue to use it. Should I find the need for anything more cutting about any councillor of any party, I will certainly use it.

Anyway, on to bins. It has been reported before about overflowing wheelie bins not being emptied, or any bags alongside them being left on the floor by the bin-men. I've seen it myself in my own street. If it were possible to supply photographic evidence in this particular forum, I would do so, also video evidence, so that no-one could say a photo had been faked. Nowhere did I write that multiple bins were either a good or a bad thing, that may be for the future. I do have some knowledge about multiple bins from family in areas which have them. My point was that wheelie bins (which I do like) will overflow. They do now, and that will get worse if we go fortnightly. That overflow will be left lying by the bin men, who will only be following orders. Recycling will carry on fortnightly as now, but with extra containers or a bin - as seen in the councils pages in the monthly magazine.
[quote][p][bold]Rosvanian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jaga[/bold] wrote: " if the new system is approved". If? It will start in October, and the streets will be littered with the overflow from many wheelie bins. This overflow will of course not be collected, thus adding to the litter problem which angers Bill (I'm not very bright but can lift heavy things) Dixon.[/p][/quote]I assume that your statement is based on firm, verifiable evidence collected from the many local authorites that have used multiple wheelie bins for years. Or , as I suspect, you''ve just made up some imagined scenorio that fits your own world view and justifies, in your mind, the witless personal insult directed at the leader of the Council?[/p][/quote]I don't often respond to any comments made about what I have written in assorted newspaper websites or other forums. After all, everyone is entitled to their own opinion about something or some person. I certainly don't agree with a lot that appears in the Echo's pages, but that's life. The term which 'Rosvanian' refers to, I learnt as a young soldier many years ago. More years than I care to remember. I'd be surprised if it is not still used. We would often say it about ourselves. Between us, it meant nothing, and we called ourselves worse. I do feel it is apt for certain politicians today. It may indeed suit Ed Balls, David Cameron or Alex Salmond to name only three. I've used it about our Leader of the Council before. As an insult, it does not rank very highly compared with what politicians use against each other. e.g. "A retail mind in a wholesale business" (David Lloyd George abut Neville Chamberlain). I like what I wrote, and will continue to use it. Should I find the need for anything more cutting about any councillor of any party, I will certainly use it. Anyway, on to bins. It has been reported before about overflowing wheelie bins not being emptied, or any bags alongside them being left on the floor by the bin-men. I've seen it myself in my own street. If it were possible to supply photographic evidence in this particular forum, I would do so, also video evidence, so that no-one could say a photo had been faked. Nowhere did I write that multiple bins were either a good or a bad thing, that may be for the future. I do have some knowledge about multiple bins from family in areas which have them. My point was that wheelie bins (which I do like) will overflow. They do now, and that will get worse if we go fortnightly. That overflow will be left lying by the bin men, who will only be following orders. Recycling will carry on fortnightly as now, but with extra containers or a bin - as seen in the councils pages in the monthly magazine. Jaga

3:47pm Fri 6 Dec 13

miketually says...

DarloXman wrote:
"...to be given a new 240-litre wheelie bin with a caddy inside to separate paper and card from cans and plastics"

So are plastics now to be included in the items to be recycled - as at present it is just paper and glass. What about metal??

It will suit me as I have space for two bins and will improve the useless plastic sack issue - but why was all this not implemented in one go? It's as if decisions by DBC are made by spin the bottle!!
Yes, plastic and metals will go in the new wheelie bin, with paper and card also in there in the caddy. Glass will continue to go into the green box. I think tetrapacks and the like will also go into the new bin.

When the decision was made to move to reduced kerbside sorting, with plastic and metal being removed at Aycliffe Quarry, Darlington Friends of the Earth pushed for the kerbside sorting to be kept but the council insisted having the metal and plastic in with the other waste was more efficient and so would save money. Apparently not...

Overall, I think this is a good move, but it's such a shame it wasn't implemented years ago. I'm amazed that the same people who insisted, against all the evidence from elsewhere, that the wheelie bins wouldn't work are still saying the same now.
[quote][p][bold]DarloXman[/bold] wrote: "...to be given a new 240-litre wheelie bin with a caddy inside to separate paper and card from cans and plastics" So are plastics now to be included in the items to be recycled - as at present it is just paper and glass. What about metal?? It will suit me as I have space for two bins and will improve the useless plastic sack issue - but why was all this not implemented in one go? It's as if decisions by DBC are made by spin the bottle!![/p][/quote]Yes, plastic and metals will go in the new wheelie bin, with paper and card also in there in the caddy. Glass will continue to go into the green box. I think tetrapacks and the like will also go into the new bin. When the decision was made to move to reduced kerbside sorting, with plastic and metal being removed at Aycliffe Quarry, Darlington Friends of the Earth pushed for the kerbside sorting to be kept but the council insisted having the metal and plastic in with the other waste was more efficient and so would save money. Apparently not... Overall, I think this is a good move, but it's such a shame it wasn't implemented years ago. I'm amazed that the same people who insisted, against all the evidence from elsewhere, that the wheelie bins wouldn't work are still saying the same now. miketually

6:38pm Fri 6 Dec 13

sineater says...

I'm not very clever ,but I can lift heavy things,-could be the motto of most of the population of Darlo,judging by the long running wheelie bin fiasco !!!
I'm not very clever ,but I can lift heavy things,-could be the motto of most of the population of Darlo,judging by the long running wheelie bin fiasco !!! sineater

8:57pm Fri 6 Dec 13

gillod says...

I'd like DBC to confirm when they will collect recycling from their own office premises? When I worked for them a few years ago nothing was recycled and I was astonished that the reason for this was that as they don't pay council tax to themselves for their own properties (office block on Gladstone street in my case) they didn't receive a recycling collection.

Any glass/cans used by staff were placed in a separate bin which kind members of staff took home to recycle as part of their own rubbish.....only in Darlington!!!
I'd like DBC to confirm when they will collect recycling from their own office premises? When I worked for them a few years ago nothing was recycled and I was astonished that the reason for this was that as they don't pay council tax to themselves for their own properties (office block on Gladstone street in my case) they didn't receive a recycling collection. Any glass/cans used by staff were placed in a separate bin which kind members of staff took home to recycle as part of their own rubbish.....only in Darlington!!! gillod

9:43pm Fri 6 Dec 13

100%Darlington says...

I love wheelie bins, sorry wheeled bins! Roll on Oct 2014, no different to the rest of the country, thank you DBC! Some people need to get out more!
I love wheelie bins, sorry wheeled bins! Roll on Oct 2014, no different to the rest of the country, thank you DBC! Some people need to get out more! 100%Darlington

11:23pm Fri 6 Dec 13

nigel d says...

Why do people from Darlington always moan about rubbish.i wish they would stop recycling the same old moans.
Why do people from Darlington always moan about rubbish.i wish they would stop recycling the same old moans. nigel d

10:42am Sat 7 Dec 13

MagicAlf says...

Why are Darlington always ten years behind the rest of the region, twin wheelie bins have been the norm for years elsewhere? In County Durham most people have 3. In fact, why does a small town like Darlington need its own Council? It must lead to an unnecessary level of bureaucracy and under-investment.
Why are Darlington always ten years behind the rest of the region, twin wheelie bins have been the norm for years elsewhere? In County Durham most people have 3. In fact, why does a small town like Darlington need its own Council? It must lead to an unnecessary level of bureaucracy and under-investment. MagicAlf

10:43am Sat 7 Dec 13

JJ2000 says...

nigel d wrote:
Why do people from Darlington always moan about rubbish.i wish they would stop recycling the same old moans.
Very good, Nigel. Very good.
[quote][p][bold]nigel d[/bold] wrote: Why do people from Darlington always moan about rubbish.i wish they would stop recycling the same old moans.[/p][/quote]Very good, Nigel. Very good. JJ2000

10:58am Sat 7 Dec 13

lozzaa says...

we live in a flat with no back access our bins are round the back of property ,we have no room in flat to keep separate bins till they fill before carrying them round the back to bins any suggestions we do take our glass to recycle bins now in cockerton ,
we live in a flat with no back access our bins are round the back of property ,we have no room in flat to keep separate bins till they fill before carrying them round the back to bins any suggestions we do take our glass to recycle bins now in cockerton , lozzaa

6:28pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Alan Macnab says...

Looking forward to the extra wheelie bin with unbridled joy - not!!
Looking forward to the extra wheelie bin with unbridled joy - not!! Alan Macnab

6:33pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Alan Macnab says...

There are very real difficulties which Lozza correctly highlights. There are no spaces in the storage areas in flats for the extra wheelie bins. I have seen it with my own eyes in the ward I represent.
There are very real difficulties which Lozza correctly highlights. There are no spaces in the storage areas in flats for the extra wheelie bins. I have seen it with my own eyes in the ward I represent. Alan Macnab

12:11am Sun 8 Dec 13

Spy Boy says...

Oh Joy ! Another bloody bin to find space for. As for alternate collections, no thank you. My bin will not hold two weeks of rubbish and in the summer, this will stink after two weeks. I suppose that the new bin will be just as useless as the last one. It has no drain, so it fills up with rainwater every time you lift the lid. How about sacking some of the overpaid executives and keeping some bin men on. We need more bin men and they are more useful to the upkeep of the town than any of the execs who are costing us millions.
Oh Joy ! Another bloody bin to find space for. As for alternate collections, no thank you. My bin will not hold two weeks of rubbish and in the summer, this will stink after two weeks. I suppose that the new bin will be just as useless as the last one. It has no drain, so it fills up with rainwater every time you lift the lid. How about sacking some of the overpaid executives and keeping some bin men on. We need more bin men and they are more useful to the upkeep of the town than any of the execs who are costing us millions. Spy Boy

11:49am Sun 8 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Its about time this disgusting, obsence, filthy, negative, Criminal ***Graffitie was scrubbed off walls, shop shutters, public toilets, railway premises and boundary railway walls. (This could e done by putting many of the Nany state free benefit unemployed to work for a change), (Public Council toilets are a rarity nowdays, so what do you do, 'p'.....in the streets). Some north east towns (not all of course) resemble near ****Shanty Towns****, streets and open land feestoned with litter, dog feaces (it is even hanging in bags in trees). The only thing missing is clay pipes, clogs and ***chamber pots. What any perspective new business person would see on visiting some north east towns, beggers belief, they would be disgusted and shocked, by this ' idle' return to the Stone age.?...............
.... In Holland you can get a new wheelie Bin in Two days in Britain you have to wait on average of Two Years (Paid for and in some cases collected and paid for course by yourself).
Its about time this disgusting, obsence, filthy, negative, Criminal ***Graffitie was scrubbed off walls, shop shutters, public toilets, railway premises and boundary railway walls. (This could e done by putting many of the Nany state free benefit unemployed to work for a change), (Public Council toilets are a rarity nowdays, so what do you do, 'p'.....in the streets). Some north east towns (not all of course) resemble near ****Shanty Towns****, streets and open land feestoned with litter, dog feaces (it is even hanging in bags in trees). The only thing missing is clay pipes, clogs and ***chamber pots. What any perspective new business person would see on visiting some north east towns, beggers belief, they would be disgusted and shocked, by this ' idle' return to the Stone age.?............... .... In Holland you can get a new wheelie Bin in Two days in Britain you have to wait on average of Two Years (Paid for and in some cases collected and paid for course by yourself). cushybutterfield

1:26pm Sun 8 Dec 13

sineater says...

Why don't you lick the graffiti off cushy grafter,with your big gob it will be gone in no time.
Why don't you lick the graffiti off cushy grafter,with your big gob it will be gone in no time. sineater

8:56pm Sun 8 Dec 13

pensioner2 says...

So let me get this right.

The proposal was to change to fortnightly collections to save money.

Now the proposal is still to have fortnightly collections, but you still get one collection per week- one week rubbish, the next week the new larger recycle wheelie bin and the plastic glass bin, so in effect its still weekly collections using two different bins, except they have renamed one of them Recycle Bin Week. And having bin wagons still doing the rounds weekly -even though they are emptying a different wheelie bin to the previous week, saves money how? (£400,000 saved is the quoted figure)

Same bin wagon, same bin men, just a different wheelie bin with different contents, so how does this save £400,000?

Figures from DEFRA by the environment agency show that only 49% of waste paper is reprocessed in the uk, the other 51% is sent abroad (using fuel etc and polluting the environment by all that entails it being deported- large container lorries, shipping etc)

81% of glass IS reprocessed in the uk but still 19% is sent abroad-(using fuels, container lorries etc- see above)

66% of Aluminium is processed in the uk, and a further 34% sent abroad (no specification though as to where exactly "abroad" is, it could be just across the channel, or it could be china- who do happen to take most of the recycled plastic!)

33% of plastic is recycled in the uk- 67% as per above is sent to china- wow how much does that cost to send? i do hope they do not use royal mail!! the postal charges would be horrific!!

Now the good news, 100% of wood is recycled in the uk- hooray for us.

On balance this means 47% recycling in the uk and 53% sent abroad (oopps that doesn't really sound all that good bearing in mind the costs and environmental damage in sending 53% of total recyclable materials abroad.)

Source-
www.recyclenow.com/w
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The thing is, it takes very little of the wrong material to be placed in the wrong recycling bin for the WHOLE of a wagons load to be rejected and go to landfill. So watch out folks the next obvious step on uncle bills ladder will be fines for even accidentaly putting the wrong object in the wrong section of your bin-, he will be rubbing his hands in glee at the thought of that. The most disconcerting part is that someone will be checking your rubbish, individually- so they can inflict the fine on the right person-Big Brother really is here, with all his spy cameras - sorry anti-crime cameras, and his secret agents on every street corner or riding shotgun in each bin wagon.
So let me get this right. The proposal was to change to fortnightly collections to save money. Now the proposal is still to have fortnightly collections, but you still get one collection per week- one week rubbish, the next week the new larger recycle wheelie bin and the plastic glass bin, so in effect its still weekly collections using two different bins, except they have renamed one of them Recycle Bin Week. And having bin wagons still doing the rounds weekly -even though they are emptying a different wheelie bin to the previous week, saves money how? (£400,000 saved is the quoted figure) Same bin wagon, same bin men, just a different wheelie bin with different contents, so how does this save £400,000? Figures from DEFRA by the environment agency show that only 49% of waste paper is reprocessed in the uk, the other 51% is sent abroad (using fuel etc and polluting the environment by all that entails it being deported- large container lorries, shipping etc) 81% of glass IS reprocessed in the uk but still 19% is sent abroad-(using fuels, container lorries etc- see above) 66% of Aluminium is processed in the uk, and a further 34% sent abroad (no specification though as to where exactly "abroad" is, it could be just across the channel, or it could be china- who do happen to take most of the recycled plastic!) 33% of plastic is recycled in the uk- 67% as per above is sent to china- wow how much does that cost to send? i do hope they do not use royal mail!! the postal charges would be horrific!! Now the good news, 100% of wood is recycled in the uk- hooray for us. On balance this means 47% recycling in the uk and 53% sent abroad (oopps that doesn't really sound all that good bearing in mind the costs and environmental damage in sending 53% of total recyclable materials abroad.) Source- www.recyclenow.com/w hy_recycling_matters /why_it_matters/what _happens_to_our.html The thing is, it takes very little of the wrong material to be placed in the wrong recycling bin for the WHOLE of a wagons load to be rejected and go to landfill. So watch out folks the next obvious step on uncle bills ladder will be fines for even accidentaly putting the wrong object in the wrong section of your bin-, he will be rubbing his hands in glee at the thought of that. The most disconcerting part is that someone will be checking your rubbish, individually- so they can inflict the fine on the right person-Big Brother really is here, with all his spy cameras - sorry anti-crime cameras, and his secret agents on every street corner or riding shotgun in each bin wagon. pensioner2

9:32pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Red rose lad says...

The whole object of the exercise is to save money and quite clearly, to many the savings remain unproven. It's not surprising that people are sceptical when the chap in charge of "Place" has recently guessed the cost of the impending multi-million car park and got it badly wrong. Wasn't he criticized by the scrutiny committee for that? By the way - it's also comforting to know that you can lift heavy things Loopy. Just as well with a large chip on each shoulder. You really should stop abusing people with differing views to yours. Wouldn't it be dull if we all thought the same.
The whole object of the exercise is to save money and quite clearly, to many the savings remain unproven. It's not surprising that people are sceptical when the chap in charge of "Place" has recently guessed the cost of the impending multi-million car park and got it badly wrong. Wasn't he criticized by the scrutiny committee for that? By the way - it's also comforting to know that you can lift heavy things Loopy. Just as well with a large chip on each shoulder. You really should stop abusing people with differing views to yours. Wouldn't it be dull if we all thought the same. Red rose lad

10:03am Mon 9 Dec 13

miketually says...

"Now the proposal is still to have fortnightly collections, but you still get one collection per week- one week rubbish, the next week the new larger recycle wheelie bin and the plastic glass bin, so in effect its still weekly collections using two different bins"

Currently we get three collections a fortnight (two waste, one recycling), so this is a 33% reduction in collections.
"Now the proposal is still to have fortnightly collections, but you still get one collection per week- one week rubbish, the next week the new larger recycle wheelie bin and the plastic glass bin, so in effect its still weekly collections using two different bins" Currently we get three collections a fortnight (two waste, one recycling), so this is a 33% reduction in collections. miketually

11:18am Mon 9 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

I would love to know ?....... Sineater what job of work you do (or have done) or purport to do. Honest answers only please. Anyhow a Happy Christmas because in the New Year we will be nearly all STONY BROKE, after Britain has paid out Hundreds of Millions of British Working Taxpayers money to all and sundry.
I would love to know ?....... Sineater what job of work you do (or have done) or purport to do. Honest answers only please. Anyhow a Happy Christmas because in the New Year we will be nearly all STONY BROKE, after Britain has paid out Hundreds of Millions of British Working Taxpayers money to all and sundry. cushybutterfield

11:56am Mon 9 Dec 13

sineater says...

Cushy I have done jobs sort of similar to what binmen have to do(lots of walking and lifting},the binmans job is very hard,and wheelie bins are a big help for them,much better than handling bags(which may split and rubbish strewn everywhere). Iff people have trouble siting their bins or getting them to a collection point they should ask the c ouncil for advice and help.
Cushy I have done jobs sort of similar to what binmen have to do(lots of walking and lifting},the binmans job is very hard,and wheelie bins are a big help for them,much better than handling bags(which may split and rubbish strewn everywhere). Iff people have trouble siting their bins or getting them to a collection point they should ask the c ouncil for advice and help. sineater

12:29pm Mon 9 Dec 13

miketually says...

Alan Macnab wrote:
There are very real difficulties which Lozza correctly highlights. There are no spaces in the storage areas in flats for the extra wheelie bins. I have seen it with my own eyes in the ward I represent.
But these issues must also exist in other places, so we can look to how they've solved the problem or find our own solution?

Presumably, anyone struggling to store a wheelie bin also struggled to store a weeks worth of leaky, tear-prone black bags?
[quote][p][bold]Alan Macnab[/bold] wrote: There are very real difficulties which Lozza correctly highlights. There are no spaces in the storage areas in flats for the extra wheelie bins. I have seen it with my own eyes in the ward I represent.[/p][/quote]But these issues must also exist in other places, so we can look to how they've solved the problem or find our own solution? Presumably, anyone struggling to store a wheelie bin also struggled to store a weeks worth of leaky, tear-prone black bags? miketually

2:51pm Mon 9 Dec 13

DarloXman says...

miketually wrote:
Alan Macnab wrote:
There are very real difficulties which Lozza correctly highlights. There are no spaces in the storage areas in flats for the extra wheelie bins. I have seen it with my own eyes in the ward I represent.
But these issues must also exist in other places, so we can look to how they've solved the problem or find our own solution?

Presumably, anyone struggling to store a wheelie bin also struggled to store a weeks worth of leaky, tear-prone black bags?
What happens elsewhere, is that those who don't have a large enough back garden/yard have to leave their bins out in front gardens or just in front of their premises - in permanent full view. Think I would rather have a wind farm to look onto!

As I said above, I'm fortunate I have space and so will most of my neighbours, but I feel sorry for those who will struggle.
[quote][p][bold]miketually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan Macnab[/bold] wrote: There are very real difficulties which Lozza correctly highlights. There are no spaces in the storage areas in flats for the extra wheelie bins. I have seen it with my own eyes in the ward I represent.[/p][/quote]But these issues must also exist in other places, so we can look to how they've solved the problem or find our own solution? Presumably, anyone struggling to store a wheelie bin also struggled to store a weeks worth of leaky, tear-prone black bags?[/p][/quote]What happens elsewhere, is that those who don't have a large enough back garden/yard have to leave their bins out in front gardens or just in front of their premises - in permanent full view. Think I would rather have a wind farm to look onto! As I said above, I'm fortunate I have space and so will most of my neighbours, but I feel sorry for those who will struggle. DarloXman

1:37pm Tue 10 Dec 13

cushybutterfield says...

Well sineater I must admit, I am well impressed with some of your past work record and may you have a 'Happy non-political' Christmas to you and your family.
Well sineater I must admit, I am well impressed with some of your past work record and may you have a 'Happy non-political' Christmas to you and your family. cushybutterfield

6:03pm Wed 11 Dec 13

sineater says...

likewise. Cushy
likewise. Cushy sineater

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