Protests planned across North-East to fight "bedroom tax"

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A SERIES of high profile protests are being planned across the region amid growing anger over the Government's so-called bedroom tax.

Tenants and housing association bosses representing 90,000 residents will hold a summit on Teesside tomorrow (Tuesday, February 26) to plan the next move in what could become a national campaign against the "tax" - a cut in housing benefit for people with spare rooms.

Campaigners elsewhere in the region are organising a silent vigil in Durham City next month, with 100 people already having signed up to take part.

Tomorrow's summit at Wynyard Park, near Billingham, has been organised by Coast & Country housing association, which owns and manages 10,000 homes in Redcar and Cleveland.

Representatives of 11 other housing associations will attend to hear from tenants who will be affected.

The "bedroom tax" aims to shave about £500m a year off the housing benefits bill, and is intended to ease overcrowding by encouraging people living in social housing to downsize to smaller properties if they have spare rooms.

The penalty for not downsizing will be a cut in housing benefit ranging from 14 per cent for one extra bedroom to 25 per cent where there are two rooms.

Iain Sim, chief executive of Coast & Country, said the "bedroom tax" was widely perceived as targeting the poorest and most vulnerable in society.

"When the pasty tax came in there was a huge public outcry but this is nastier," he said. "We have gone from the pasty tax to the nasty tax.

"Our tenants have been coming to us and saying they don't feel they have a voice. They are very angry, very concerned and the feel that nobody is listening to them."

He said 1,860 Coast & Country tenants are officially under-occupying, according to the Government's rules, but if they all had to be re-housed in smaller private sector properties it would increase the housing benefit bill for Redcar and Cleveland by almost £500,000 because of higher private rents.

There is also a chronic shortage of smaller properties to rent, he said.

The Durham City protest is one of 15 being organised across the country by campaign group Labour Left, and will take place at 1pm on March 16 at a venue yet to be confirmed.

Val Hudson, joint chairperson of the Durham and Tees Valley branch of Labour Left, said there was a "moral outrage" about the proposed benefit cut.

She added: "People who might be separated and whose children come to stay at the weekend or disabled people who may use a second room for a carer, they will all be affected.

"It's an attack on vulnerable people again."

Easington MP Grahame Morris, national chairperson of Labour Left, is planning to attend the Durham protest.

He said that more than 1,300 low income families in his constituency, many of them suffering disabilities as a legacy of the area’s mining history, are facing cuts in benefit of between £13 and £22 per week.

Mr Morris said that the cut in income would drain £150m-a-year from County Durham’s economy.

He said: "This is a huge issue which I would compare to the poll tax."

A Department of Work and Pensions spokesman said: "We need to ensure a better use of social housing when over a quarter of a million tenants are living in overcrowded homes and two million are on housing waiting lists across the country.

"We are providing councils with £155m this year to support people and vulnerable groups who might be affected by these changes."

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10:37am Mon 25 Feb 13

olrad1973 says...

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10:41am Mon 25 Feb 13

olrad1973 says...

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12:18pm Mon 25 Feb 13

David Lacey says...

Housing benefit costs the country too much. It must be reduced.
Housing benefit costs the country too much. It must be reduced. David Lacey
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12:26pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Oaky says...

The best way to reduce the Housing Benefit bill is to cap the amount of money landlords are allowed to charge their tenants. The bedroom tax only makes things worse for those already struggling.
The best way to reduce the Housing Benefit bill is to cap the amount of money landlords are allowed to charge their tenants. The bedroom tax only makes things worse for those already struggling. Oaky
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12:28pm Mon 25 Feb 13

jude666 says...

I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.
I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to. jude666
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12:37pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Employed Tax Payer, Central Darlo says...

Sorry, I can't come along to the party, it's a work day!
Sorry, I can't come along to the party, it's a work day! Employed Tax Payer, Central Darlo
  • Score: 14

12:43pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Topcat28 says...

Employed Tax Payer, Central Darlo wrote:
Sorry, I can't come along to the party, it's a work day!
Genius!
[quote][p][bold]Employed Tax Payer, Central Darlo[/bold] wrote: Sorry, I can't come along to the party, it's a work day![/p][/quote]Genius! Topcat28
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12:58pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jaga says...

Housing Benefit, like all other benefits, has risen to a level that is not sustainable, and has not been so for some time now, The so called 'bedroom tax' is one small part of reducing the level of benefits to something the taxpayer can afford. The reduction in Housing Benefit should perhaps have been phased in over two or three years.

I'll wager that any future Labour Government doesn't reverse the reduction in any meaningful way. After all, they have other ways of wasting taxpayers money.
Housing Benefit, like all other benefits, has risen to a level that is not sustainable, and has not been so for some time now, The so called 'bedroom tax' is one small part of reducing the level of benefits to something the taxpayer can afford. The reduction in Housing Benefit should perhaps have been phased in over two or three years. I'll wager that any future Labour Government doesn't reverse the reduction in any meaningful way. After all, they have other ways of wasting taxpayers money. Jaga
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1:28pm Mon 25 Feb 13

stevegg says...

David Lacey, jude666 & Jaga are all right. Housing benefit subsidies have been out of control for a long time and are totally unaffordable for the beleagured taxpayer. This is social housing subsidised by taxpayers they are talking about. How do social housing tennants think its unfair when they dont own the houses and are subsidised at huge cost by taxpayers; there is a huge percentage of underoccupied homes; at the same time there are hundreds of thousands who cannot get on social housing due to these houses being blocked by a sitting tennant who refuses to move but doesnt need the 2 extra bedrooms. Benefits have been to generous for to long and this is now finally being addressed at long last in the benefit of the shrinking number of taxpayers and the benefit recipients dont like it. Simple.
David Lacey, jude666 & Jaga are all right. Housing benefit subsidies have been out of control for a long time and are totally unaffordable for the beleagured taxpayer. This is social housing subsidised by taxpayers they are talking about. How do social housing tennants think its unfair when they dont own the houses and are subsidised at huge cost by taxpayers; there is a huge percentage of underoccupied homes; at the same time there are hundreds of thousands who cannot get on social housing due to these houses being blocked by a sitting tennant who refuses to move but doesnt need the 2 extra bedrooms. Benefits have been to generous for to long and this is now finally being addressed at long last in the benefit of the shrinking number of taxpayers and the benefit recipients dont like it. Simple. stevegg
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1:42pm Mon 25 Feb 13

lurkingspider says...

Any protests planned from the hundreds of families living in cramped conditions because of the people hogging larger than needed limited social housing?

No-one is stopping you having a large home. Just go and pay for it yourself and stop expecting everything for free,
Any protests planned from the hundreds of families living in cramped conditions because of the people hogging larger than needed limited social housing? No-one is stopping you having a large home. Just go and pay for it yourself and stop expecting everything for free, lurkingspider
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1:47pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jolly Roger says...

I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it.

I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less.

So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation.

You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.
I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it. I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less. So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation. You all have to remember you don't own your property do you. Jolly Roger
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4:46pm Mon 25 Feb 13

the-big-yin says...

Does this government not understand that there are no 1 and 2 bed properties for people to down size into. Yes the benefit paid needs to be reduced, but where are people going to move to?
Why not use common sense and get this country building houses again. 1 and 2 bed properties would then allow people to down size, thus allowing larger families to move into those properties that are then available.
This con / dem government does not have the sense to do this. They would rather see people be made homeless. Build and get people working, then working people have wages that can be spent in the shops and then the economy grows. As the meerkat says simples !!!!!!!
Does this government not understand that there are no 1 and 2 bed properties for people to down size into. Yes the benefit paid needs to be reduced, but where are people going to move to? Why not use common sense and get this country building houses again. 1 and 2 bed properties would then allow people to down size, thus allowing larger families to move into those properties that are then available. This con / dem government does not have the sense to do this. They would rather see people be made homeless. Build and get people working, then working people have wages that can be spent in the shops and then the economy grows. As the meerkat says simples !!!!!!! the-big-yin
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5:35pm Mon 25 Feb 13

greenfinger says...

i'm over the moon this is happening. just pay the extra and keep your home if you want it. plenty people on benefits smoke and have the odd drink. maybe they should quit that and just pay like the rest of us. have a nice summer
i'm over the moon this is happening. just pay the extra and keep your home if you want it. plenty people on benefits smoke and have the odd drink. maybe they should quit that and just pay like the rest of us. have a nice summer greenfinger
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6:31pm Mon 25 Feb 13

smiler03 says...

David Lacey wrote:
Housing benefit costs the country too much. It must be reduced.
Bankers cost the country too much. They must be culled.
[quote][p][bold]David Lacey[/bold] wrote: Housing benefit costs the country too much. It must be reduced.[/p][/quote]Bankers cost the country too much. They must be culled. smiler03
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6:32pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jonn says...

the-big-yin wrote:
Does this government not understand that there are no 1 and 2 bed properties for people to down size into. Yes the benefit paid needs to be reduced, but where are people going to move to?
Why not use common sense and get this country building houses again. 1 and 2 bed properties would then allow people to down size, thus allowing larger families to move into those properties that are then available.
This con / dem government does not have the sense to do this. They would rather see people be made homeless. Build and get people working, then working people have wages that can be spent in the shops and then the economy grows. As the meerkat says simples !!!!!!!
Agreed, there are hardly any 1 and 2 bed properties to downsize to and anyone who disagrees is ignorant of the facts.
The obvious thing to do would be to have a comprehensive nationwide project to build new affordable homes. Thing is, that would bring exsisting property prices down and create hundreds of thousands of jobs and the Banks, sorry, I meant the Government don't want that so it'll never happen.
The way forward it seems, not just in the UK but in Europe and the US is to force as many into poverty as possible under the guise of austerity built on a fear of the debt myth. The old, the poor and the disabled are currently undergoing a propaganda hate campaign in the MSM to turn the rest against them. People die alot sooner when living a life in poverty.
[quote][p][bold]the-big-yin[/bold] wrote: Does this government not understand that there are no 1 and 2 bed properties for people to down size into. Yes the benefit paid needs to be reduced, but where are people going to move to? Why not use common sense and get this country building houses again. 1 and 2 bed properties would then allow people to down size, thus allowing larger families to move into those properties that are then available. This con / dem government does not have the sense to do this. They would rather see people be made homeless. Build and get people working, then working people have wages that can be spent in the shops and then the economy grows. As the meerkat says simples !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Agreed, there are hardly any 1 and 2 bed properties to downsize to and anyone who disagrees is ignorant of the facts. The obvious thing to do would be to have a comprehensive nationwide project to build new affordable homes. Thing is, that would bring exsisting property prices down and create hundreds of thousands of jobs and the Banks, sorry, I meant the Government don't want that so it'll never happen. The way forward it seems, not just in the UK but in Europe and the US is to force as many into poverty as possible under the guise of austerity built on a fear of the debt myth. The old, the poor and the disabled are currently undergoing a propaganda hate campaign in the MSM to turn the rest against them. People die alot sooner when living a life in poverty. Jonn
  • Score: 5

7:18pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Ian James says...

Just listen to the Beatles song, Taxman off Revolver and it sums it all up perfectly, I think!!!
Just listen to the Beatles song, Taxman off Revolver and it sums it all up perfectly, I think!!! Ian James
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9:48pm Mon 25 Feb 13

caberwocky1 says...

Thats OK-lets affect the poor.The bankers can carry on as before-they caused it.

The millionaires can get their tax cuts from April.

We have no 1/2 bed properties.A cruel deceit.

Working class people crapping on working class people- disgraceful comments.
Thats OK-lets affect the poor.The bankers can carry on as before-they caused it. The millionaires can get their tax cuts from April. We have no 1/2 bed properties.A cruel deceit. Working class people crapping on working class people- disgraceful comments. caberwocky1
  • Score: 8

10:07pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jonn says...

Ian James wrote:
Just listen to the Beatles song, Taxman off Revolver and it sums it all up perfectly, I think!!!
To quote Bob Marley, "a hungry mob is an angry mob".
It's coming!
[quote][p][bold]Ian James[/bold] wrote: Just listen to the Beatles song, Taxman off Revolver and it sums it all up perfectly, I think!!![/p][/quote]To quote Bob Marley, "a hungry mob is an angry mob". It's coming! Jonn
  • Score: 7

10:10pm Mon 25 Feb 13

katie86 says...

its family like mine the house were in isnt that big and the bedrooms my children have there is bearly room to swing a cat and dont have the expense to pay for a move or swap to a smaller house my eldiest will be 10 in 2 years time and there would be no point in moving for 2 years to upgrade to a bigger property those 2 years later
its family like mine the house were in isnt that big and the bedrooms my children have there is bearly room to swing a cat and dont have the expense to pay for a move or swap to a smaller house my eldiest will be 10 in 2 years time and there would be no point in moving for 2 years to upgrade to a bigger property those 2 years later katie86
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10:30pm Mon 25 Feb 13

IanfromCrook says...

Anybody read the article.......people without money will be forced to pay for the bedroom!!! The end really if smaller private properties are miraculously made available then the people may move and squeeze into them causing the taxpayer MORE money MORE money just thought I would say it twice in case some people missed it. Why more.......as indicated in the article the rents will be more....because they are private and because supply and demand would indicate they would increase. Purely political kick the most vunerable
Anybody read the article.......people without money will be forced to pay for the bedroom!!! The end really if smaller private properties are miraculously made available then the people may move and squeeze into them causing the taxpayer MORE money MORE money just thought I would say it twice in case some people missed it. Why more.......as indicated in the article the rents will be more....because they are private and because supply and demand would indicate they would increase. Purely political kick the most vunerable IanfromCrook
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10:37pm Mon 25 Feb 13

spragger says...

That will be interesting, since there is no such thing.
- If I was them I would shout into the dark about housing benefit reduction.

Never cross an entitled leftie, one who got lots of your money
That will be interesting, since there is no such thing. - If I was them I would shout into the dark about housing benefit reduction. Never cross an entitled leftie, one who got lots of your money spragger
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11:17pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jonn says...

This will affect some very sick people who have a spouse or carer to look after them who need a second bedroom to sleep in.
This will also affect foster carers.
This will also affect respite carers.
This will also affect Fathers/Mothers who only have their child stayover on a weekend.
This will not affect MP's with under occupied second homes, funnily enough.
This will affect some very sick people who have a spouse or carer to look after them who need a second bedroom to sleep in. This will also affect foster carers. This will also affect respite carers. This will also affect Fathers/Mothers who only have their child stayover on a weekend. This will not affect MP's with under occupied second homes, funnily enough. Jonn
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11:51pm Mon 25 Feb 13

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

Leave school. Get a job. Leave home and buy a house. Work to pay for the house. Retire and enjoy the fruits of your labour.
Alternatively:
Leave school. Have children. Leave your parent(s) council house for a council house of your own. Have more children.Never work to pay your own way for anything. Die young as a result of never having any ambition, eating crap and not exercising and smoking the benefit money that might have paid for decent food for your children. Repeat the cycle while each generation of your ilk became more ignorant than the last.
Leave school. Get a job. Leave home and buy a house. Work to pay for the house. Retire and enjoy the fruits of your labour. Alternatively: Leave school. Have children. Leave your parent(s) council house for a council house of your own. Have more children.Never work to pay your own way for anything. Die young as a result of never having any ambition, eating crap and not exercising and smoking the benefit money that might have paid for decent food for your children. Repeat the cycle while each generation of your ilk became more ignorant than the last. outragedofmiltonkeynes
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12:10am Tue 26 Feb 13

smiler03 says...

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es
wrote:
Leave school. Get a job. Leave home and buy a house. Work to pay for the house. Retire and enjoy the fruits of your labour.
Alternatively:
Leave school. Have children. Leave your parent(s) council house for a council house of your own. Have more children.Never work to pay your own way for anything. Die young as a result of never having any ambition, eating crap and not exercising and smoking the benefit money that might have paid for decent food for your children. Repeat the cycle while each generation of your ilk became more ignorant than the last.
Ah ha!! Work to pay for the house. How?

More and more jobs are becoming part time. Real purchasing power of incomes hasn't risen in 7 years. Bigger deposits than ever are required to buy a house (thank you bankers). People are having to live longer and longer with their parents because they cannot raise enough money to buy a house.

Your sentiment is good but hopelessly out of date.

Retire???

That's a great one,. Thanks to record low interest rates you now need to save 3 times more that just 5 years ago to get the same pension. Final salary pension schemes no longer exist. The pension age is being moved in line with increasing (for now) life spans, forget retiring in your healthy years. Inflation is getting bad (do you buy food, fuel, gas or electricity?) and will be getting worse very soon.

I suspect that you own your own house and are comfortably retired with a guaranteed pension, possibly even index linked.

Lucky you, if not, welcome to cloud cuckoo land.
[quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: Leave school. Get a job. Leave home and buy a house. Work to pay for the house. Retire and enjoy the fruits of your labour. Alternatively: Leave school. Have children. Leave your parent(s) council house for a council house of your own. Have more children.Never work to pay your own way for anything. Die young as a result of never having any ambition, eating crap and not exercising and smoking the benefit money that might have paid for decent food for your children. Repeat the cycle while each generation of your ilk became more ignorant than the last.[/p][/quote]Ah ha!! Work to pay for the house. How? More and more jobs are becoming part time. Real purchasing power of incomes hasn't risen in 7 years. Bigger deposits than ever are required to buy a house (thank you bankers). People are having to live longer and longer with their parents because they cannot raise enough money to buy a house. Your sentiment is good but hopelessly out of date. Retire??? That's a great one,. Thanks to record low interest rates you now need to save 3 times more that just 5 years ago to get the same pension. Final salary pension schemes no longer exist. The pension age is being moved in line with increasing (for now) life spans, forget retiring in your healthy years. Inflation is getting bad (do you buy food, fuel, gas or electricity?) and will be getting worse very soon. I suspect that you own your own house and are comfortably retired with a guaranteed pension, possibly even index linked. Lucky you, if not, welcome to cloud cuckoo land. smiler03
  • Score: 4

8:11am Tue 26 Feb 13

Copley23 says...

jude666 wrote:
I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.
Spot on jude666. Well said.
[quote][p][bold]jude666[/bold] wrote: I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.[/p][/quote]Spot on jude666. Well said. Copley23
  • Score: -1

9:00am Tue 26 Feb 13

Jonn says...

Copley23 wrote:
jude666 wrote:
I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.
Spot on jude666. Well said.
Who has said they want their council house for lfe? I would think most just want a property to suit their needs as a bigger house means bigger bills but stock is very limited and suitability even more limited. Basically, you get what's available at the time.
People with a mortgage may not downsize due to affordability, maybe they just want a smaller home but at least they have a choice of when and where to move to. You could be working and end up in a house miles away from your job.
This Government has just decided that as from April, pay up or get out, despite a huge shortage of 1 and 2 bed homes.
I repeat, where are all these smaller homes for people to move into?
[quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jude666[/bold] wrote: I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.[/p][/quote]Spot on jude666. Well said.[/p][/quote]Who has said they want their council house for lfe? I would think most just want a property to suit their needs as a bigger house means bigger bills but stock is very limited and suitability even more limited. Basically, you get what's available at the time. People with a mortgage may not downsize due to affordability, maybe they just want a smaller home but at least they have a choice of when and where to move to. You could be working and end up in a house miles away from your job. This Government has just decided that as from April, pay up or get out, despite a huge shortage of 1 and 2 bed homes. I repeat, where are all these smaller homes for people to move into? Jonn
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9:34am Tue 26 Feb 13

Copley23 says...

Jonn wrote:
Copley23 wrote:
jude666 wrote:
I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.
Spot on jude666. Well said.
Who has said they want their council house for lfe? I would think most just want a property to suit their needs as a bigger house means bigger bills but stock is very limited and suitability even more limited. Basically, you get what's available at the time.
People with a mortgage may not downsize due to affordability, maybe they just want a smaller home but at least they have a choice of when and where to move to. You could be working and end up in a house miles away from your job.
This Government has just decided that as from April, pay up or get out, despite a huge shortage of 1 and 2 bed homes.
I repeat, where are all these smaller homes for people to move into?
Erm, they are full of folk with 2-3 kids squished into 2 bedrooms.

It's the swapping procedure that worries me somewhat........
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copley23[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jude666[/bold] wrote: I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.[/p][/quote]Spot on jude666. Well said.[/p][/quote]Who has said they want their council house for lfe? I would think most just want a property to suit their needs as a bigger house means bigger bills but stock is very limited and suitability even more limited. Basically, you get what's available at the time. People with a mortgage may not downsize due to affordability, maybe they just want a smaller home but at least they have a choice of when and where to move to. You could be working and end up in a house miles away from your job. This Government has just decided that as from April, pay up or get out, despite a huge shortage of 1 and 2 bed homes. I repeat, where are all these smaller homes for people to move into?[/p][/quote]Erm, they are full of folk with 2-3 kids squished into 2 bedrooms. It's the swapping procedure that worries me somewhat........ Copley23
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12:39pm Tue 26 Feb 13

loan_star says...

Bigger deposits required to buy houses? Thats true, however isnt that down to the fact that there was a upsurge in house prices under Blair and Brown so bigger deposits were bound to be needed!!
Bigger deposits required to buy houses? Thats true, however isnt that down to the fact that there was a upsurge in house prices under Blair and Brown so bigger deposits were bound to be needed!! loan_star
  • Score: -1

12:41pm Tue 26 Feb 13

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

smiler03 wrote:
outragedofmiltonkeyn

es
wrote:
Leave school. Get a job. Leave home and buy a house. Work to pay for the house. Retire and enjoy the fruits of your labour.
Alternatively:
Leave school. Have children. Leave your parent(s) council house for a council house of your own. Have more children.Never work to pay your own way for anything. Die young as a result of never having any ambition, eating crap and not exercising and smoking the benefit money that might have paid for decent food for your children. Repeat the cycle while each generation of your ilk became more ignorant than the last.
Ah ha!! Work to pay for the house. How?

More and more jobs are becoming part time. Real purchasing power of incomes hasn't risen in 7 years. Bigger deposits than ever are required to buy a house (thank you bankers). People are having to live longer and longer with their parents because they cannot raise enough money to buy a house.

Your sentiment is good but hopelessly out of date.

Retire???

That's a great one,. Thanks to record low interest rates you now need to save 3 times more that just 5 years ago to get the same pension. Final salary pension schemes no longer exist. The pension age is being moved in line with increasing (for now) life spans, forget retiring in your healthy years. Inflation is getting bad (do you buy food, fuel, gas or electricity?) and will be getting worse very soon.

I suspect that you own your own house and are comfortably retired with a guaranteed pension, possibly even index linked.

Lucky you, if not, welcome to cloud cuckoo land.
No pal im not retired im 36 and working hard to support my family and pay the mortgage. There is a spare bedroom in my house and my mortgage payments reflect the fact that ive got a big house.If there comes a time when i cant afford it then i will have to sell it and buy a smaller house,not start bleating to the local press about how im not being GIVEN enough money for doing NOTHING.
[quote][p][bold]smiler03[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: Leave school. Get a job. Leave home and buy a house. Work to pay for the house. Retire and enjoy the fruits of your labour. Alternatively: Leave school. Have children. Leave your parent(s) council house for a council house of your own. Have more children.Never work to pay your own way for anything. Die young as a result of never having any ambition, eating crap and not exercising and smoking the benefit money that might have paid for decent food for your children. Repeat the cycle while each generation of your ilk became more ignorant than the last.[/p][/quote]Ah ha!! Work to pay for the house. How? More and more jobs are becoming part time. Real purchasing power of incomes hasn't risen in 7 years. Bigger deposits than ever are required to buy a house (thank you bankers). People are having to live longer and longer with their parents because they cannot raise enough money to buy a house. Your sentiment is good but hopelessly out of date. Retire??? That's a great one,. Thanks to record low interest rates you now need to save 3 times more that just 5 years ago to get the same pension. Final salary pension schemes no longer exist. The pension age is being moved in line with increasing (for now) life spans, forget retiring in your healthy years. Inflation is getting bad (do you buy food, fuel, gas or electricity?) and will be getting worse very soon. I suspect that you own your own house and are comfortably retired with a guaranteed pension, possibly even index linked. Lucky you, if not, welcome to cloud cuckoo land.[/p][/quote]No pal im not retired im 36 and working hard to support my family and pay the mortgage. There is a spare bedroom in my house and my mortgage payments reflect the fact that ive got a big house.If there comes a time when i cant afford it then i will have to sell it and buy a smaller house,not start bleating to the local press about how im not being GIVEN enough money for doing NOTHING. outragedofmiltonkeynes
  • Score: 1

1:00pm Tue 26 Feb 13

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling?
Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.
In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling? Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything. outragedofmiltonkeynes
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Tue 26 Feb 13

another taxpayer says...

I think what many of these 'unhappy' tenants need to be reminded of is that if anyone is to lay claim to coucil houses, it is the tax payer. WE pay for these houses. Perhaps if those who choose not to work for a living had anything like a conscience they would accept that the tax payer has paid too much for too long because of their unwillingness to work. There are genuine people out there who can't support themselves getting far too little because of these people.
I think what many of these 'unhappy' tenants need to be reminded of is that if anyone is to lay claim to coucil houses, it is the tax payer. WE pay for these houses. Perhaps if those who choose not to work for a living had anything like a conscience they would accept that the tax payer has paid too much for too long because of their unwillingness to work. There are genuine people out there who can't support themselves getting far too little because of these people. another taxpayer
  • Score: 0

1:45pm Tue 26 Feb 13

owen07 says...

I do worry about the society we live in. These people who get housing benefits aren't all lazy work shy. Don't get me wrong some are but would you really want to try and live their lives on their income. I pay a lot of tax, and yes i have a reasonable job and a nice house, however my mother did not. I was raised in a council house and lived off "the social" which my mother claimed as her ex husband was a total waste of space and she had 3 young children. This was not the life she wanted or planned for. My taxes as of those from my 2 siblings (solicitor and teacher) pay back into the pot that we have taken from. Now who would say that they may never be in a position that they may require help! People need to look behind the benefits and meet the people. I'm happy paying my taxes even for the ones that waste it to make sure the ones that need it get and just incase I too ever need it, again!
I do worry about the society we live in. These people who get housing benefits aren't all lazy work shy. Don't get me wrong some are but would you really want to try and live their lives on their income. I pay a lot of tax, and yes i have a reasonable job and a nice house, however my mother did not. I was raised in a council house and lived off "the social" which my mother claimed as her ex husband was a total waste of space and she had 3 young children. This was not the life she wanted or planned for. My taxes as of those from my 2 siblings (solicitor and teacher) pay back into the pot that we have taken from. Now who would say that they may never be in a position that they may require help! People need to look behind the benefits and meet the people. I'm happy paying my taxes even for the ones that waste it to make sure the ones that need it get and just incase I too ever need it, again! owen07
  • Score: 4

3:39pm Tue 26 Feb 13

johnny_p says...

Hasn't this story been covered here before now? More Northern Echo nonsense about something which isn't actually a "tax". Still, they like to misinform people, spread fear and malign the truth. Not very compelling reading, just recalling now why I cancelled my subscription to The Echo sometime ago now.
Hasn't this story been covered here before now? More Northern Echo nonsense about something which isn't actually a "tax". Still, they like to misinform people, spread fear and malign the truth. Not very compelling reading, just recalling now why I cancelled my subscription to The Echo sometime ago now. johnny_p
  • Score: -2

4:48pm Tue 26 Feb 13

another taxpayer says...

I'm not saying that everyone on benefits are work shy. But it is well known that there are many who are, and many who claim to be disabled when they aren't so they can claim even more benefits. Consequently those who are genuinely disabled or genuinely need financial assistance (through fault of their own) are in my view being short changed. I'm happy to contribute to those that are in genuine need, but not to those who choose to have 6+ kids with no intention of ever working & believe they have a given right to the tax payers hard earned money. No, I wouldn't like to live their life; that's why I gained an education through school, college and university, and worked hard through the ranks to secure a good job and live a more comfortable life with this increasingly rare thing called dignity.
I'm not saying that everyone on benefits are work shy. But it is well known that there are many who are, and many who claim to be disabled when they aren't so they can claim even more benefits. Consequently those who are genuinely disabled or genuinely need financial assistance (through fault of their own) are in my view being short changed. I'm happy to contribute to those that are in genuine need, but not to those who choose to have 6+ kids with no intention of ever working & believe they have a given right to the tax payers hard earned money. No, I wouldn't like to live their life; that's why I gained an education through school, college and university, and worked hard through the ranks to secure a good job and live a more comfortable life with this increasingly rare thing called dignity. another taxpayer
  • Score: 0

5:16pm Tue 26 Feb 13

johnny_p says...

Another Taxpayer- you're a dying breed. Benefits are no longer used to help the genuinely needy, but have been firehosed at as many people as possible so that they are bribed to vote Labour. There's a whole new generation of people now, who are completely disinterested in working, bettering themselves or being innovative.

As far this (misnamed) "bedroom tax"- I don't want to pay for other peoples' ineptitude and sloth. Benefits should be there for the needy, infirm and disabled.
Another Taxpayer- you're a dying breed. Benefits are no longer used to help the genuinely needy, but have been firehosed at as many people as possible so that they are bribed to vote Labour. There's a whole new generation of people now, who are completely disinterested in working, bettering themselves or being innovative. As far this (misnamed) "bedroom tax"- I don't want to pay for other peoples' ineptitude and sloth. Benefits should be there for the needy, infirm and disabled. johnny_p
  • Score: -1

6:52pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Jonn says...

loan_star wrote:
Bigger deposits required to buy houses? Thats true, however isnt that down to the fact that there was a upsurge in house prices under Blair and Brown so bigger deposits were bound to be needed!!
Just as there was an upsurge under the Tories.
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: Bigger deposits required to buy houses? Thats true, however isnt that down to the fact that there was a upsurge in house prices under Blair and Brown so bigger deposits were bound to be needed!![/p][/quote]Just as there was an upsurge under the Tories. Jonn
  • Score: 0

7:08pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Jonn says...

johnny_p wrote:
Another Taxpayer- you're a dying breed. Benefits are no longer used to help the genuinely needy, but have been firehosed at as many people as possible so that they are bribed to vote Labour. There's a whole new generation of people now, who are completely disinterested in working, bettering themselves or being innovative.

As far this (misnamed) "bedroom tax"- I don't want to pay for other peoples' ineptitude and sloth. Benefits should be there for the needy, infirm and disabled.
Taxpayers a dying breed?? How do you come to that conclusion? We are told employment is at record levels right now so that means tax payers are also at record levels. It's the tax avoiders who cost the UK £120 billion a year you should be targeting
The Welfare state has been a bribe to the electorate for over 100 years, since the old age pension was introduced, regardless of which Government is in charge, they all use it to buy votes.
90% of all new HB claims in the last 2 years were made by people who are IN WORK. Are they all sloths?
[quote][p][bold]johnny_p[/bold] wrote: Another Taxpayer- you're a dying breed. Benefits are no longer used to help the genuinely needy, but have been firehosed at as many people as possible so that they are bribed to vote Labour. There's a whole new generation of people now, who are completely disinterested in working, bettering themselves or being innovative. As far this (misnamed) "bedroom tax"- I don't want to pay for other peoples' ineptitude and sloth. Benefits should be there for the needy, infirm and disabled.[/p][/quote]Taxpayers a dying breed?? How do you come to that conclusion? We are told employment is at record levels right now so that means tax payers are also at record levels. It's the tax avoiders who cost the UK £120 billion a year you should be targeting The Welfare state has been a bribe to the electorate for over 100 years, since the old age pension was introduced, regardless of which Government is in charge, they all use it to buy votes. 90% of all new HB claims in the last 2 years were made by people who are IN WORK. Are they all sloths? Jonn
  • Score: 3

7:17pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Jonn says...

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es
wrote:
In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling?
Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.
Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour?
[quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling? Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.[/p][/quote]Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour? Jonn
  • Score: 1

7:31pm Tue 26 Feb 13

greenfinger says...

Jonn wrote:
loan_star wrote:
Bigger deposits required to buy houses? Thats true, however isnt that down to the fact that there was a upsurge in house prices under Blair and Brown so bigger deposits were bound to be needed!!
Just as there was an upsurge under the Tories.
but it's not those in work that are complaining, it's those on the dole or incapacity benefit that are twisting that they've not got enough to pay the extra.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: Bigger deposits required to buy houses? Thats true, however isnt that down to the fact that there was a upsurge in house prices under Blair and Brown so bigger deposits were bound to be needed!![/p][/quote]Just as there was an upsurge under the Tories.[/p][/quote]but it's not those in work that are complaining, it's those on the dole or incapacity benefit that are twisting that they've not got enough to pay the extra. greenfinger
  • Score: -1

7:50pm Tue 26 Feb 13

IanfromCrook says...

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es
wrote:
In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling?
Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.
You have an obviously active imagination. There is a critical hole in this comment which leaves me to believe it is completely made up. The hole being, if anyone were to read your previous observations they would realise that if this were true (how you would know so much is very odd) you would have informed the fraudline and the lady looked into. Now if this is accurate then I believe what you have clearly done is jumped to the wrong conclusions, they investigated and she is still there so this has outraged you as you believe what you say true and everyone else is wrong.
I think your name needs a little teak outragiousofmiltonke
ynes.
[quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling? Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.[/p][/quote]You have an obviously active imagination. There is a critical hole in this comment which leaves me to believe it is completely made up. The hole being, if anyone were to read your previous observations they would realise that if this were true (how you would know so much is very odd) you would have informed the fraudline and the lady looked into. Now if this is accurate then I believe what you have clearly done is jumped to the wrong conclusions, they investigated and she is still there so this has outraged you as you believe what you say true and everyone else is wrong. I think your name needs a little teak outragiousofmiltonke ynes. IanfromCrook
  • Score: 0

8:14pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Jonn says...

greenfinger wrote:
Jonn wrote:
loan_star wrote:
Bigger deposits required to buy houses? Thats true, however isnt that down to the fact that there was a upsurge in house prices under Blair and Brown so bigger deposits were bound to be needed!!
Just as there was an upsurge under the Tories.
but it's not those in work that are complaining, it's those on the dole or incapacity benefit that are twisting that they've not got enough to pay the extra.
Until you change your default that those in a council house, those claiming JSA or those claiming a disability benefit are not working then your argument has no grounds. Also, to refer to their genuine concerns as 'twisting' is patronising.
[quote][p][bold]greenfinger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote: Bigger deposits required to buy houses? Thats true, however isnt that down to the fact that there was a upsurge in house prices under Blair and Brown so bigger deposits were bound to be needed!![/p][/quote]Just as there was an upsurge under the Tories.[/p][/quote]but it's not those in work that are complaining, it's those on the dole or incapacity benefit that are twisting that they've not got enough to pay the extra.[/p][/quote]Until you change your default that those in a council house, those claiming JSA or those claiming a disability benefit are not working then your argument has no grounds. Also, to refer to their genuine concerns as 'twisting' is patronising. Jonn
  • Score: 0

8:52pm Tue 26 Feb 13

greenfinger says...

well they're just going to have to get use to it and lump it. hth
well they're just going to have to get use to it and lump it. hth greenfinger
  • Score: 0

8:55pm Tue 26 Feb 13

greenfinger says...

and i cannot wait until next winter when fuel bills are even higher. freezing cold heating your extra rooms on less money. happy days!
and i cannot wait until next winter when fuel bills are even higher. freezing cold heating your extra rooms on less money. happy days! greenfinger
  • Score: 0

9:31pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Jonn says...

greenfinger wrote:
and i cannot wait until next winter when fuel bills are even higher. freezing cold heating your extra rooms on less money. happy days!
Yeah, that's the spirit. You concentrate on kicking em while they're down. The Government will love you for it. It steals attention away from the main issue, the criminally corrupt banking sector. They are the reason for this punishment and why all of us will be punished soon enough.
We should all be standing together on this, not bickering about some disabled person getting an extra £20 a week to pay a carer to wash them.
Do a little research, the bankers should all be in jail.
[quote][p][bold]greenfinger[/bold] wrote: and i cannot wait until next winter when fuel bills are even higher. freezing cold heating your extra rooms on less money. happy days![/p][/quote]Yeah, that's the spirit. You concentrate on kicking em while they're down. The Government will love you for it. It steals attention away from the main issue, the criminally corrupt banking sector. They are the reason for this punishment and why all of us will be punished soon enough. We should all be standing together on this, not bickering about some disabled person getting an extra £20 a week to pay a carer to wash them. Do a little research, the bankers should all be in jail. Jonn
  • Score: 2

9:56pm Tue 26 Feb 13

caberwocky1 says...

agree Jonn-we'll just kick poor people.Seems to be an idea that all peopel on benefits stay on them for life.They are just like us-on/off benefits.

Want to reduce the benefit bill?stop claiming your child benefit,stop claiming retirement pension-no its everybody elses benefits that the problem.

Its the bankers that got us in the mess-only one has gone to jail to date.

Shame on you for some of these comment-what turns you so mean spirited to other human beings less fortunate than yourselves.
agree Jonn-we'll just kick poor people.Seems to be an idea that all peopel on benefits stay on them for life.They are just like us-on/off benefits. Want to reduce the benefit bill?stop claiming your child benefit,stop claiming retirement pension-no its everybody elses benefits that the problem. Its the bankers that got us in the mess-only one has gone to jail to date. Shame on you for some of these comment-what turns you so mean spirited to other human beings less fortunate than yourselves. caberwocky1
  • Score: 2

11:28pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Huntergreen says...

I've never claimed housing benefit or lived in social housing but bought my own property but have down sized before when I couldn't afford the larger house..after I'd tried the lodger bit. But I have to sympathise with those single people in 2 bedroomed houses..there aren't many 1 bedroomed places available and it's not easy to get a lodger and that can also create all kinds of problems.
I've never claimed housing benefit or lived in social housing but bought my own property but have down sized before when I couldn't afford the larger house..after I'd tried the lodger bit. But I have to sympathise with those single people in 2 bedroomed houses..there aren't many 1 bedroomed places available and it's not easy to get a lodger and that can also create all kinds of problems. Huntergreen
  • Score: 2

11:33pm Tue 26 Feb 13

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

IanfromCrook wrote:
outragedofmiltonkeyn

es
wrote:
In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling?
Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.
You have an obviously active imagination. There is a critical hole in this comment which leaves me to believe it is completely made up. The hole being, if anyone were to read your previous observations they would realise that if this were true (how you would know so much is very odd) you would have informed the fraudline and the lady looked into. Now if this is accurate then I believe what you have clearly done is jumped to the wrong conclusions, they investigated and she is still there so this has outraged you as you believe what you say true and everyone else is wrong.
I think your name needs a little teak outragiousofmiltonke

ynes.
No sadly its not made up it is a fact. Whats odd about noticing the same person doing the same thing everyday? Or dont you take any notice of whats going on around you? Oh yes and i have laid her in and i await the outcome with eager anticipation. Who knows she might have to live in a tent and eat her dogs.
[quote][p][bold]IanfromCrook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling? Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.[/p][/quote]You have an obviously active imagination. There is a critical hole in this comment which leaves me to believe it is completely made up. The hole being, if anyone were to read your previous observations they would realise that if this were true (how you would know so much is very odd) you would have informed the fraudline and the lady looked into. Now if this is accurate then I believe what you have clearly done is jumped to the wrong conclusions, they investigated and she is still there so this has outraged you as you believe what you say true and everyone else is wrong. I think your name needs a little teak outragiousofmiltonke ynes.[/p][/quote]No sadly its not made up it is a fact. Whats odd about noticing the same person doing the same thing everyday? Or dont you take any notice of whats going on around you? Oh yes and i have laid her in and i await the outcome with eager anticipation. Who knows she might have to live in a tent and eat her dogs. outragedofmiltonkeynes
  • Score: 1

11:34pm Tue 26 Feb 13

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

Jonn wrote:
outragedofmiltonkeyn

es
wrote:
In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling?
Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.
Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour?
I take it you live in a council house and are in receipt of benefits then Jonn?
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling? Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.[/p][/quote]Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour?[/p][/quote]I take it you live in a council house and are in receipt of benefits then Jonn? outragedofmiltonkeynes
  • Score: 1

11:54pm Tue 26 Feb 13

IanfromCrook says...

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es
wrote:
IanfromCrook wrote:
outragedofmiltonkeyn


es
wrote:
In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling?
Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.
You have an obviously active imagination. There is a critical hole in this comment which leaves me to believe it is completely made up. The hole being, if anyone were to read your previous observations they would realise that if this were true (how you would know so much is very odd) you would have informed the fraudline and the lady looked into. Now if this is accurate then I believe what you have clearly done is jumped to the wrong conclusions, they investigated and she is still there so this has outraged you as you believe what you say true and everyone else is wrong.
I think your name needs a little teak outragiousofmiltonke


ynes.
No sadly its not made up it is a fact. Whats odd about noticing the same person doing the same thing everyday? Or dont you take any notice of whats going on around you? Oh yes and i have laid her in and i await the outcome with eager anticipation. Who knows she might have to live in a tent and eat her dogs.
taking notice of your surroundings and obsessing about knowing the finances, leisure activity and diet of someone are two completely different things..........didn
't they pass a law recently.........

Here Doris you havin trouble with cats rippin open your black bags?........nope
aww was it a fox?...............n
ope Ethel it was that bloomin outragedofmiltonkeyn
es up to 'is old tricks again.
[quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanfromCrook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling? Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.[/p][/quote]You have an obviously active imagination. There is a critical hole in this comment which leaves me to believe it is completely made up. The hole being, if anyone were to read your previous observations they would realise that if this were true (how you would know so much is very odd) you would have informed the fraudline and the lady looked into. Now if this is accurate then I believe what you have clearly done is jumped to the wrong conclusions, they investigated and she is still there so this has outraged you as you believe what you say true and everyone else is wrong. I think your name needs a little teak outragiousofmiltonke ynes.[/p][/quote]No sadly its not made up it is a fact. Whats odd about noticing the same person doing the same thing everyday? Or dont you take any notice of whats going on around you? Oh yes and i have laid her in and i await the outcome with eager anticipation. Who knows she might have to live in a tent and eat her dogs.[/p][/quote]taking notice of your surroundings and obsessing about knowing the finances, leisure activity and diet of someone are two completely different things..........didn 't they pass a law recently......... Here Doris you havin trouble with cats rippin open your black bags?........nope aww was it a fox?...............n ope Ethel it was that bloomin outragedofmiltonkeyn es up to 'is old tricks again. IanfromCrook
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12:53am Wed 27 Feb 13

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

Ahh you must be a workshy sponging ignoramus as well then "ian from crook"?
Ahh you must be a workshy sponging ignoramus as well then "ian from crook"? outragedofmiltonkeynes
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8:14am Wed 27 Feb 13

Jonn says...

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es
wrote:
Jonn wrote:
outragedofmiltonkeyn


es
wrote:
In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling?
Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.
Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour?
I take it you live in a council house and are in receipt of benefits then Jonn?
Why would you assume that?
[quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling? Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.[/p][/quote]Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour?[/p][/quote]I take it you live in a council house and are in receipt of benefits then Jonn?[/p][/quote]Why would you assume that? Jonn
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10:08am Wed 27 Feb 13

IanfromCrook says...

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es
wrote:
Ahh you must be a workshy sponging ignoramus as well then "ian from crook"?
Thank you with your acute sense of perception that would probably make me Alan Sugar ........your fired !
[quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: Ahh you must be a workshy sponging ignoramus as well then "ian from crook"?[/p][/quote]Thank you with your acute sense of perception that would probably make me Alan Sugar ........your fired ! IanfromCrook
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2:12pm Wed 27 Feb 13

smokin says...

I have to live on my pension and pay all my bills without any government help
it's hard at my age but to all who are whinging about bedroom taxes get over it and get on with your life it's not going to change the council's mind all of these protests so why waste your breath
I have to live on my pension and pay all my bills without any government help it's hard at my age but to all who are whinging about bedroom taxes get over it and get on with your life it's not going to change the council's mind all of these protests so why waste your breath smokin
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3:57pm Wed 27 Feb 13

the-big-yin says...

Jonn wrote:
Ian James wrote:
Just listen to the Beatles song, Taxman off Revolver and it sums it all up perfectly, I think!!!
To quote Bob Marley, "a hungry mob is an angry mob".
It's coming!
To quote myself. " This government sucks and don-t we know it !!! "
No really though, this con /dem government needs to buck its ideas up and stop listening to themselves and advisers who sit behind their desks, making up stupid ideas that are killing people. Listen to the common man and get this country back on its feet. jobs, decent pay and exterminate all the fat cat bankers.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian James[/bold] wrote: Just listen to the Beatles song, Taxman off Revolver and it sums it all up perfectly, I think!!![/p][/quote]To quote Bob Marley, "a hungry mob is an angry mob". It's coming![/p][/quote]To quote myself. " This government sucks and don-t we know it !!! " No really though, this con /dem government needs to buck its ideas up and stop listening to themselves and advisers who sit behind their desks, making up stupid ideas that are killing people. Listen to the common man and get this country back on its feet. jobs, decent pay and exterminate all the fat cat bankers. the-big-yin
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4:08pm Wed 27 Feb 13

the-big-yin says...

Jonn wrote:
outragedofmiltonkeyn

es
wrote:
In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling?
Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.
Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour?
I-m sorry but i agree with john. I have my own business and cannot afford the holidays and flash cars, unlike my neighbours who are all not working ( at least 7 families in the same street as me ), but have several holidays a year , flash cars ( off the mobility ). They make me sick, as i see them every day out with their dogs or doing their gardens up. But come doctors sick note time they have their walking stick with them and then get another yearly sick note, or are registered druggies or p.i.s.s.h.e.a.d.s...
it is time to start laying every one of these blagging scum in to the benefits section. Also before anyone says i could not care if they lose their benefits or houses.They need sorting out.
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling? Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.[/p][/quote]Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour?[/p][/quote]I-m sorry but i agree with john. I have my own business and cannot afford the holidays and flash cars, unlike my neighbours who are all not working ( at least 7 families in the same street as me ), but have several holidays a year , flash cars ( off the mobility ). They make me sick, as i see them every day out with their dogs or doing their gardens up. But come doctors sick note time they have their walking stick with them and then get another yearly sick note, or are registered druggies or p.i.s.s.h.e.a.d.s... it is time to start laying every one of these blagging scum in to the benefits section. Also before anyone says i could not care if they lose their benefits or houses.They need sorting out. the-big-yin
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6:33pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Jonn says...

the-big-yin wrote:
Jonn wrote:
outragedofmiltonkeyn


es
wrote:
In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling?
Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.
Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour?
I-m sorry but i agree with john. I have my own business and cannot afford the holidays and flash cars, unlike my neighbours who are all not working ( at least 7 families in the same street as me ), but have several holidays a year , flash cars ( off the mobility ). They make me sick, as i see them every day out with their dogs or doing their gardens up. But come doctors sick note time they have their walking stick with them and then get another yearly sick note, or are registered druggies or p.i.s.s.h.e.a.d.s...

it is time to start laying every one of these blagging scum in to the benefits section. Also before anyone says i could not care if they lose their benefits or houses.They need sorting out.
I think you'll find you don't agree with me, I don't stake out my neighbours and make assumptions about their life.
It's outragedofmiltonkeyn who you agree with.
Hope that's cleared that up.
[quote][p][bold]the-big-yin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: In fact if anyone would like to see a prime example of a workshy sponger milking the system and getting a three bedroom house paid for i could organise an urban ramble and point her out. At 15:00 she takes her three pedigree pug dogs out to deficate where children walk on the way to school. At 18:30 she then sets off to the pub without the dogs but with a crutch and appears to have contracted a terrible disability in the intervening three hours for the effort she has to put into dragging herself out for six bottles of special brew is inspiring. Or maybe there is sod all wrong with her and she is fiddling? Oh yes and this happens EVERYDAY at exactly the same time. Thats why the general working population is completely sick of whinging people who do nothing and expect everything.[/p][/quote]Amazing how you find time for your job if you are daily recording the EVERYDAY activities of your workshy sponging neighbour?[/p][/quote]I-m sorry but i agree with john. I have my own business and cannot afford the holidays and flash cars, unlike my neighbours who are all not working ( at least 7 families in the same street as me ), but have several holidays a year , flash cars ( off the mobility ). They make me sick, as i see them every day out with their dogs or doing their gardens up. But come doctors sick note time they have their walking stick with them and then get another yearly sick note, or are registered druggies or p.i.s.s.h.e.a.d.s... it is time to start laying every one of these blagging scum in to the benefits section. Also before anyone says i could not care if they lose their benefits or houses.They need sorting out.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find you don't agree with me, I don't stake out my neighbours and make assumptions about their life. It's outragedofmiltonkeyn who you agree with. Hope that's cleared that up. Jonn
  • Score: 1

6:36pm Wed 27 Feb 13

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

No mate you agree with me. Jonn appears to be arguing that they have the right to do bugger all and get paid for it.
No mate you agree with me. Jonn appears to be arguing that they have the right to do bugger all and get paid for it. outragedofmiltonkeynes
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Fossildog says...

Calling this a tax clearly shows where the Northern Echos political leanings lie.

To give someone slightly less free money than previously is not a tax.

And to all the whingers moaning about lack of bedrooms I was brought up in a very small council house, a 3 bedroom where I shared the second bedroom with my two brothers, my two sisters had the smallest room with my parents having the small main bedroom. And it did not do me any harm

James HMP Durham.
Calling this a tax clearly shows where the Northern Echos political leanings lie. To give someone slightly less free money than previously is not a tax. And to all the whingers moaning about lack of bedrooms I was brought up in a very small council house, a 3 bedroom where I shared the second bedroom with my two brothers, my two sisters had the smallest room with my parents having the small main bedroom. And it did not do me any harm James HMP Durham. Fossildog
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5:51pm Thu 28 Feb 13

argo2013 says...

J onn , isn't speaking up for people who refuse to do anything, as has been stated many times on here its people who threw no fault of their own who are being penalised by this government because of this clumsy badly thought out attemt to ease the social housing problem.
J onn , isn't speaking up for people who refuse to do anything, as has been stated many times on here its people who threw no fault of their own who are being penalised by this government because of this clumsy badly thought out attemt to ease the social housing problem. argo2013
  • Score: 1

6:24pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Jonn says...

Fossildog wrote:
Calling this a tax clearly shows where the Northern Echos political leanings lie.

To give someone slightly less free money than previously is not a tax.

And to all the whingers moaning about lack of bedrooms I was brought up in a very small council house, a 3 bedroom where I shared the second bedroom with my two brothers, my two sisters had the smallest room with my parents having the small main bedroom. And it did not do me any harm

James HMP Durham.
Living in an over crowed home may not have done you any harm but the Governments main argument is that it is a problem, hence the cut if you are under occupying. They are being very disingenuous in that it'll be so simple for people to just move to a smaller home and then there's no need for them to pay the extra cost and a larger family will just swan into your old home.
This is nasty Government tactics.
[quote][p][bold]Fossildog[/bold] wrote: Calling this a tax clearly shows where the Northern Echos political leanings lie. To give someone slightly less free money than previously is not a tax. And to all the whingers moaning about lack of bedrooms I was brought up in a very small council house, a 3 bedroom where I shared the second bedroom with my two brothers, my two sisters had the smallest room with my parents having the small main bedroom. And it did not do me any harm James HMP Durham.[/p][/quote]Living in an over crowed home may not have done you any harm but the Governments main argument is that it is a problem, hence the cut if you are under occupying. They are being very disingenuous in that it'll be so simple for people to just move to a smaller home and then there's no need for them to pay the extra cost and a larger family will just swan into your old home. This is nasty Government tactics. Jonn
  • Score: 1

8:20pm Thu 28 Feb 13

IanfromCrook says...

Fossildog wrote:
Calling this a tax clearly shows where the Northern Echos political leanings lie.

To give someone slightly less free money than previously is not a tax.

And to all the whingers moaning about lack of bedrooms I was brought up in a very small council house, a 3 bedroom where I shared the second bedroom with my two brothers, my two sisters had the smallest room with my parents having the small main bedroom. And it did not do me any harm

James HMP Durham.
no doubt at a time when houses were affordable before housing stock was sold off to never be replenished, when local councils hands were tied so houses became a rarer commodity sending prices soaring, when all possible assets that were owned by all were stolen and sold to the few. This fostered a selfish attitude which leads not only to the comments by those with right wing leanings but directly to the bankers those other sons and daughters of Thatcher. . . . what is that saying about the test of a good society being how it treats the most vulnerable.
[quote][p][bold]Fossildog[/bold] wrote: Calling this a tax clearly shows where the Northern Echos political leanings lie. To give someone slightly less free money than previously is not a tax. And to all the whingers moaning about lack of bedrooms I was brought up in a very small council house, a 3 bedroom where I shared the second bedroom with my two brothers, my two sisters had the smallest room with my parents having the small main bedroom. And it did not do me any harm James HMP Durham.[/p][/quote]no doubt at a time when houses were affordable before housing stock was sold off to never be replenished, when local councils hands were tied so houses became a rarer commodity sending prices soaring, when all possible assets that were owned by all were stolen and sold to the few. This fostered a selfish attitude which leads not only to the comments by those with right wing leanings but directly to the bankers those other sons and daughters of Thatcher. . . . what is that saying about the test of a good society being how it treats the most vulnerable. IanfromCrook
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Thu 28 Feb 13

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

I think he was being ironic.
James HMP Durham?
Jonn it appears to gone over your head like a giraffe ****.
I think he was being ironic. James HMP Durham? Jonn it appears to gone over your head like a giraffe ****. outragedofmiltonkeynes
  • Score: 0

10:38pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

I think the only way to address this is to wait for the next local government elections and vote the inept biased current lot out. DBC for one treat Council Tax payers with utter contempt. They use local non issues to try and play national politics and undermine central government, then bleat on like a bunch of children when things don't go their way.

Council Tax Benefit reduction is not a 'Bedroom Tax' although it is labelled as such for opposition political reasons because the benefit is paid out and then requested back based on over occupation. Perhaps the alternative would have been reduce the initial funding payout.

The whole benefits system is out of control. It was set up to assist people at times when they needed it, not to be a longterm solution to inflexibility and unwillingness to adapt.

Not enough jobs in the area, look further afeild........
I think the only way to address this is to wait for the next local government elections and vote the inept biased current lot out. DBC for one treat Council Tax payers with utter contempt. They use local non issues to try and play national politics and undermine central government, then bleat on like a bunch of children when things don't go their way. Council Tax Benefit reduction is not a 'Bedroom Tax' although it is labelled as such for opposition political reasons because the benefit is paid out and then requested back based on over occupation. Perhaps the alternative would have been reduce the initial funding payout. The whole benefits system is out of control. It was set up to assist people at times when they needed it, not to be a longterm solution to inflexibility and unwillingness to adapt. Not enough jobs in the area, look further afeild........ Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: -2

10:52pm Thu 28 Feb 13

IanfromCrook says...

Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
I think the only way to address this is to wait for the next local government elections and vote the inept biased current lot out. DBC for one treat Council Tax payers with utter contempt. They use local non issues to try and play national politics and undermine central government, then bleat on like a bunch of children when things don't go their way.

Council Tax Benefit reduction is not a 'Bedroom Tax' although it is labelled as such for opposition political reasons because the benefit is paid out and then requested back based on over occupation. Perhaps the alternative would have been reduce the initial funding payout.

The whole benefits system is out of control. It was set up to assist people at times when they needed it, not to be a longterm solution to inflexibility and unwillingness to adapt.

Not enough jobs in the area, look further afeild........
The REDUCTION is purely political. There is no small houses available within social housing. People move from 3 bed council house to 2 bed private rent if they are lucky in order for them to live.........does this mean the policy will work. NO the privately rented 2 bed will without doubt have a higher rent than their original house.....hence no saving......and as this policy is implemented the lack of small houses will increase the private rents which in turn will increase the housing benefit bill in total. If there is a gap in this logic please explain it to me.
[quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: I think the only way to address this is to wait for the next local government elections and vote the inept biased current lot out. DBC for one treat Council Tax payers with utter contempt. They use local non issues to try and play national politics and undermine central government, then bleat on like a bunch of children when things don't go their way. Council Tax Benefit reduction is not a 'Bedroom Tax' although it is labelled as such for opposition political reasons because the benefit is paid out and then requested back based on over occupation. Perhaps the alternative would have been reduce the initial funding payout. The whole benefits system is out of control. It was set up to assist people at times when they needed it, not to be a longterm solution to inflexibility and unwillingness to adapt. Not enough jobs in the area, look further afeild........[/p][/quote]The REDUCTION is purely political. There is no small houses available within social housing. People move from 3 bed council house to 2 bed private rent if they are lucky in order for them to live.........does this mean the policy will work. NO the privately rented 2 bed will without doubt have a higher rent than their original house.....hence no saving......and as this policy is implemented the lack of small houses will increase the private rents which in turn will increase the housing benefit bill in total. If there is a gap in this logic please explain it to me. IanfromCrook
  • Score: 4

11:25pm Thu 28 Feb 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Not all of these people have to move, they need to accept that they will not be able to keep use all of the benefit if there is over occupancy!!!!!

Before you counter stating that they cannot afford this, the low paid will have a further tax break because the Income Tax threashold will rise in April.

The fact is the counrty cannot afford to dish out money at the rate it is.......
Not all of these people have to move, they need to accept that they will not be able to keep use all of the benefit if there is over occupancy!!!!! Before you counter stating that they cannot afford this, the low paid will have a further tax break because the Income Tax threashold will rise in April. The fact is the counrty cannot afford to dish out money at the rate it is....... Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: -1

11:36pm Thu 28 Feb 13

argo2013 says...

The tax break will be no use to those who are out of work,they won't be able to afford their homes ,and when they leave the council will be duty bound to find them accomodation with private landlords which will cost the benefits dept more money so where is the logic?
The tax break will be no use to those who are out of work,they won't be able to afford their homes ,and when they leave the council will be duty bound to find them accomodation with private landlords which will cost the benefits dept more money so where is the logic? argo2013
  • Score: 1

12:00am Fri 1 Mar 13

IanfromCrook says...

Easy logic politically. Low paid and unemployed people generally don't vote Tory. People with several houses that they let are more likely. This is not about what is better for the country. Simples
Easy logic politically. Low paid and unemployed people generally don't vote Tory. People with several houses that they let are more likely. This is not about what is better for the country. Simples IanfromCrook
  • Score: 0

6:54am Fri 1 Mar 13

Jonn says...

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es
wrote:
I think he was being ironic.
James HMP Durham?
Jonn it appears to gone over your head like a giraffe ****.
I think you need to read his post properly.
[quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: I think he was being ironic. James HMP Durham? Jonn it appears to gone over your head like a giraffe ****.[/p][/quote]I think you need to read his post properly. Jonn
  • Score: 0

7:36am Fri 1 Mar 13

CynicaloldGit says...

jude666 wrote:
I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.
Your parents did. You said they bought it........and I might add, at a knockdown price so please don't come on here stating such tripe.
They didn't buy the house at the market value, they got huge discounts, so much so that anyone such as your parents, were fobidden to sell it on before 5 years had gone by.

Try looking up the word hypocrite, see if the cap fits eh?
[quote][p][bold]jude666[/bold] wrote: I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.[/p][/quote]Your parents did. You said they bought it........and I might add, at a knockdown price so please don't come on here stating such tripe. They didn't buy the house at the market value, they got huge discounts, so much so that anyone such as your parents, were fobidden to sell it on before 5 years had gone by. Try looking up the word hypocrite, see if the cap fits eh? CynicaloldGit
  • Score: 1

8:49am Fri 1 Mar 13

Jonn says...

Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
Not all of these people have to move, they need to accept that they will not be able to keep use all of the benefit if there is over occupancy!!!!!

Before you counter stating that they cannot afford this, the low paid will have a further tax break because the Income Tax threashold will rise in April.

The fact is the counrty cannot afford to dish out money at the rate it is.......
You mean the Government cannot afford to dish out money to the masses when it can be dished out to a few Banks, Corporates and Private Companies.
The debt is still rising, spending is still rising, Tax receipts falling.
[quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: Not all of these people have to move, they need to accept that they will not be able to keep use all of the benefit if there is over occupancy!!!!! Before you counter stating that they cannot afford this, the low paid will have a further tax break because the Income Tax threashold will rise in April. The fact is the counrty cannot afford to dish out money at the rate it is.......[/p][/quote]You mean the Government cannot afford to dish out money to the masses when it can be dished out to a few Banks, Corporates and Private Companies. The debt is still rising, spending is still rising, Tax receipts falling. Jonn
  • Score: 1

9:31am Fri 1 Mar 13

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Jonn wrote:
Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
Not all of these people have to move, they need to accept that they will not be able to keep use all of the benefit if there is over occupancy!!!!!

Before you counter stating that they cannot afford this, the low paid will have a further tax break because the Income Tax threashold will rise in April.

The fact is the counrty cannot afford to dish out money at the rate it is.......
You mean the Government cannot afford to dish out money to the masses when it can be dished out to a few Banks, Corporates and Private Companies.
The debt is still rising, spending is still rising, Tax receipts falling.
Absolutely it can't afford it....

It's worth pointing out that the banks were bailed out by you beloved benefactors I the last government. Attempts are being made to reprivatise the banks that were bailed out, the balance sheets are ropey due to PPI and other factors.

Corporate tax receipts are being addressed but that issue has been going on for decades.....
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: Not all of these people have to move, they need to accept that they will not be able to keep use all of the benefit if there is over occupancy!!!!! Before you counter stating that they cannot afford this, the low paid will have a further tax break because the Income Tax threashold will rise in April. The fact is the counrty cannot afford to dish out money at the rate it is.......[/p][/quote]You mean the Government cannot afford to dish out money to the masses when it can be dished out to a few Banks, Corporates and Private Companies. The debt is still rising, spending is still rising, Tax receipts falling.[/p][/quote]Absolutely it can't afford it.... It's worth pointing out that the banks were bailed out by you beloved benefactors I the last government. Attempts are being made to reprivatise the banks that were bailed out, the balance sheets are ropey due to PPI and other factors. Corporate tax receipts are being addressed but that issue has been going on for decades..... Taxpaying Homeowner
  • Score: 1

9:33am Fri 1 Mar 13

jude666 says...

CynicaloldGit wrote:
jude666 wrote: I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.
Your parents did. You said they bought it........and I might add, at a knockdown price so please don't come on here stating such tripe. They didn't buy the house at the market value, they got huge discounts, so much so that anyone such as your parents, were fobidden to sell it on before 5 years had gone by. Try looking up the word hypocrite, see if the cap fits eh?
OK so they word hypocrite means
"the state of promoting or trying to enforce standards, attitudes, lifestyles, virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually hold", Clearly that doesnt apply to me so I am confused at to what point you are trying to make. I strongly believe if you want extra space you pay for it which I did actually say in my post. My parents bought their house and the price they paid is irrelevant, you can get big discounts form auctions.. My parents worked and are not on benefits so they pay their way. Which bit of my post is tripe or hypocritical may I ask. Get off your high horse cyncalold before it bolts and throws you off.
[quote][p][bold]CynicaloldGit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jude666[/bold] wrote: I really can't see what the problem is here. You are not entitled to live in your council house for life, you just rent it from your landlord, ie the council. People with mortgages downsize when they can no longer afford to pay for a big home. Why do people on benefits want it every which way without any sacrifice. If you want your third bedroom pay for it like the rest of working saps have to.[/p][/quote]Your parents did. You said they bought it........and I might add, at a knockdown price so please don't come on here stating such tripe. They didn't buy the house at the market value, they got huge discounts, so much so that anyone such as your parents, were fobidden to sell it on before 5 years had gone by. Try looking up the word hypocrite, see if the cap fits eh?[/p][/quote]OK so they word hypocrite means "the state of promoting or trying to enforce standards, attitudes, lifestyles, virtues, beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually hold", Clearly that doesnt apply to me so I am confused at to what point you are trying to make. I strongly believe if you want extra space you pay for it which I did actually say in my post. My parents bought their house and the price they paid is irrelevant, you can get big discounts form auctions.. My parents worked and are not on benefits so they pay their way. Which bit of my post is tripe or hypocritical may I ask. Get off your high horse cyncalold before it bolts and throws you off. jude666
  • Score: 0

10:10am Fri 1 Mar 13

argo2013 says...

The villains of the piece were the government of the day,they tempted people with an irisistable offer then went back on their pledge to build new homes.
The villains of the piece were the government of the day,they tempted people with an irisistable offer then went back on their pledge to build new homes. argo2013
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Fri 1 Mar 13

CynicaloldGit says...

Which bit of my post is tripe or hypocritical may I ask.

All of it!!!

But here is another defintion.......to benefit from something but deny it to others..........your family benefited from the state when buying a house and knockdown prices (not an aution) but you want to deny others the benefit of the state, ie, housing benefits to pay for a room to accommodate visiting children...disabled people who need a carer to stay over night, etc etc

However, your view is typical of i'm alright Jack, or my life is sh i te so I want yours to be too.

Well said argo
Which bit of my post is tripe or hypocritical may I ask. All of it!!! But here is another defintion.......to benefit from something but deny it to others..........your family benefited from the state when buying a house and knockdown prices (not an aution) but you want to deny others the benefit of the state, ie, housing benefits to pay for a room to accommodate visiting children...disabled people who need a carer to stay over night, etc etc However, your view is typical of i'm alright Jack, or my life is sh i te so I want yours to be too. Well said argo CynicaloldGit
  • Score: 1

3:05pm Fri 1 Mar 13

Starteck2002 says...

Now this is what you call a social divide! The comments from some people in here are sickening. Not everyone on benefits wants to be in that position, not everyone on benefits is unemployed or workshy. Some people are in this position through circumstance beyond their control, disabilites or just bad luck - yet some feel it's ok to attack them, ostracise them as the lower-than-low echelons of the lower class.

This 'bedroom tax' (it's not a tax!) is a penalty aimed at those that can least afford it. The people that you are tarring as 'Single workshy mother with 6 kids' etc will be unaffected by it as they are adequately housed so will not lose any benefits (housing or otherwise) - their life will not change. This will affect people that are fostering children (believe it or not, not all foster parents get paid to do it!) so the local authorities are going to start struggling even more to find placements. It will affect parents access to their children where the child lives with a carer or other parent, court decisions and so much more.

Vulnerable people will become debt laden as they struggle to make the £70 weekly benefit stretch as far as it did - 14% and 25% benefit reduction is going to hurt considering that most tenents are already contributing towards their rent. Money will be wasted on debt recovery, evictions and legal process by local authorities. There are no (or little) properties to downsize to so this will even affect those that want to downsize.

Private landlords will be rubbing their hands together in glee as the rental value of their 1 and 2 bedroom properties soar, councils will be dumbfounded that the housing benefit bill is bigger than it ever was and that they actually made no savings at all. If globally penalising every person in reciept of benefits that lives in social housing is such a great idea, why are so many against it - including the councils and housing associations?

It's a proven fact that reward works better than penalty so why not reward the 70 year old widow for downsizing from her 3 bedroom house rather than force her with penalties?
Now this is what you call a social divide! The comments from some people in here are sickening. Not everyone on benefits wants to be in that position, not everyone on benefits is unemployed or workshy. Some people are in this position through circumstance beyond their control, disabilites or just bad luck - yet some feel it's ok to attack them, ostracise them as the lower-than-low echelons of the lower class. This 'bedroom tax' (it's not a tax!) is a penalty aimed at those that can least afford it. The people that you are tarring as 'Single workshy mother with 6 kids' etc will be unaffected by it as they are adequately housed so will not lose any benefits (housing or otherwise) - their life will not change. This will affect people that are fostering children (believe it or not, not all foster parents get paid to do it!) so the local authorities are going to start struggling even more to find placements. It will affect parents access to their children where the child lives with a carer or other parent, court decisions and so much more. Vulnerable people will become debt laden as they struggle to make the £70 weekly benefit stretch as far as it did - 14% and 25% benefit reduction is going to hurt considering that most tenents are already contributing towards their rent. Money will be wasted on debt recovery, evictions and legal process by local authorities. There are no (or little) properties to downsize to so this will even affect those that want to downsize. Private landlords will be rubbing their hands together in glee as the rental value of their 1 and 2 bedroom properties soar, councils will be dumbfounded that the housing benefit bill is bigger than it ever was and that they actually made no savings at all. If globally penalising every person in reciept of benefits that lives in social housing is such a great idea, why are so many against it - including the councils and housing associations? It's a proven fact that reward works better than penalty so why not reward the 70 year old widow for downsizing from her 3 bedroom house rather than force her with penalties? Starteck2002
  • Score: 1

3:44pm Fri 1 Mar 13

CynicaloldGit says...

Startreck, you are just too intelligent for some people on here, the likes of spragger and jude et-al just won't understand what you're talking about.

Good on yer mate.
Startreck, you are just too intelligent for some people on here, the likes of spragger and jude et-al just won't understand what you're talking about. Good on yer mate. CynicaloldGit
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Fri 1 Mar 13

jude666 says...

CynicaloldGit wrote:
Which bit of my post is tripe or hypocritical may I ask. All of it!!! But here is another defintion.......to benefit from something but deny it to others..........your family benefited from the state when buying a house and knockdown prices (not an aution) but you want to deny others the benefit of the state, ie, housing benefits to pay for a room to accommodate visiting children...disabled people who need a carer to stay over night, etc etc However, your view is typical of i'm alright Jack, or my life is sh i te so I want yours to be too. Well said argo
I am not denying anyone anything, I am suggesting they pay for it. Anyone living in a council house can still get their houses at a knockdown price so what is your argument here. Oh yes you object to people who work paying for these houses, but you want to give them away to people who can't afford them, good job you are not in charge of digging the country out of the mess its in. As for my life, you have no idea whether my life is sh i te or whether i'm alright jack you dont know me.I am simply expressing my opinion without getting personal unlike your good self
.
[quote][p][bold]CynicaloldGit[/bold] wrote: Which bit of my post is tripe or hypocritical may I ask. All of it!!! But here is another defintion.......to benefit from something but deny it to others..........your family benefited from the state when buying a house and knockdown prices (not an aution) but you want to deny others the benefit of the state, ie, housing benefits to pay for a room to accommodate visiting children...disabled people who need a carer to stay over night, etc etc However, your view is typical of i'm alright Jack, or my life is sh i te so I want yours to be too. Well said argo[/p][/quote]I am not denying anyone anything, I am suggesting they pay for it. Anyone living in a council house can still get their houses at a knockdown price so what is your argument here. Oh yes you object to people who work paying for these houses, but you want to give them away to people who can't afford them, good job you are not in charge of digging the country out of the mess its in. As for my life, you have no idea whether my life is sh i te or whether i'm alright jack you dont know me.I am simply expressing my opinion without getting personal unlike your good self . jude666
  • Score: 0

5:35pm Fri 1 Mar 13

CynicaloldGit says...

You don't understand it do, social housing wasn't built for people to buy. It was build to house people who couldn't buy, the same people who for generations had lived in private sector slums.
When a social house was bought, it was removed from the stockpile, never to be replaced.
That is why there is a housing shortage.

If people wanted to buy ba house, they should have done what some of us did, bought a house constructed for private sale, not one to house those without the means to buy.......hell's teeth, there was a time when barret and others were building house on people's front lawns nearly. But Maggie appealed to man's basic instinct, something for nothing or something very cheap ie council houses sold for a fraction of the price and you have the gall to complain about people having an extra room when your family jumped in to the something for nothing gang.......whose money do you think built council houses.............t
hat's right the tax payer.
You don't understand it do, social housing wasn't built for people to buy. It was build to house people who couldn't buy, the same people who for generations had lived in private sector slums. When a social house was bought, it was removed from the stockpile, never to be replaced. That is why there is a housing shortage. If people wanted to buy ba house, they should have done what some of us did, bought a house constructed for private sale, not one to house those without the means to buy.......hell's teeth, there was a time when barret and others were building house on people's front lawns nearly. But Maggie appealed to man's basic instinct, something for nothing or something very cheap ie council houses sold for a fraction of the price and you have the gall to complain about people having an extra room when your family jumped in to the something for nothing gang.......whose money do you think built council houses.............t hat's right the tax payer. CynicaloldGit
  • Score: 1

7:12am Sat 2 Mar 13

Jonn says...

Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
Jonn wrote:
Taxpaying Homeowner wrote:
Not all of these people have to move, they need to accept that they will not be able to keep use all of the benefit if there is over occupancy!!!!!

Before you counter stating that they cannot afford this, the low paid will have a further tax break because the Income Tax threashold will rise in April.

The fact is the counrty cannot afford to dish out money at the rate it is.......
You mean the Government cannot afford to dish out money to the masses when it can be dished out to a few Banks, Corporates and Private Companies.
The debt is still rising, spending is still rising, Tax receipts falling.
Absolutely it can't afford it....

It's worth pointing out that the banks were bailed out by you beloved benefactors I the last government. Attempts are being made to reprivatise the banks that were bailed out, the balance sheets are ropey due to PPI and other factors.

Corporate tax receipts are being addressed but that issue has been going on for decades.....
Who told you they can't afford it, this Government? They can afford to waste 5 billion on The Work Programme which has a success rate of 3.5% and the head of one of it's IT providers, A4E, paid herself 8.6 million last year.
Are you telling me that if the Tories were in power in 2008, they wouldn't have bailed out the banks? Don't make me laugh. The Tories wanted more deregulation in the city.
1986 was the catalyst for this mess, Labour weren't in Government then.
[quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taxpaying Homeowner[/bold] wrote: Not all of these people have to move, they need to accept that they will not be able to keep use all of the benefit if there is over occupancy!!!!! Before you counter stating that they cannot afford this, the low paid will have a further tax break because the Income Tax threashold will rise in April. The fact is the counrty cannot afford to dish out money at the rate it is.......[/p][/quote]You mean the Government cannot afford to dish out money to the masses when it can be dished out to a few Banks, Corporates and Private Companies. The debt is still rising, spending is still rising, Tax receipts falling.[/p][/quote]Absolutely it can't afford it.... It's worth pointing out that the banks were bailed out by you beloved benefactors I the last government. Attempts are being made to reprivatise the banks that were bailed out, the balance sheets are ropey due to PPI and other factors. Corporate tax receipts are being addressed but that issue has been going on for decades.....[/p][/quote]Who told you they can't afford it, this Government? They can afford to waste 5 billion on The Work Programme which has a success rate of 3.5% and the head of one of it's IT providers, A4E, paid herself 8.6 million last year. Are you telling me that if the Tories were in power in 2008, they wouldn't have bailed out the banks? Don't make me laugh. The Tories wanted more deregulation in the city. 1986 was the catalyst for this mess, Labour weren't in Government then. Jonn
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Sat 2 Mar 13

CynicaloldGit says...

Defense minister has said that no cuts to the military but save by cutting welfare.............


This country is the 4th biggest spender on the military worldwide and the 14th lowest sepnder on welfare, according to a Tory MP this morning, who, although an ex army officer, said the spending should be the other way around. He also said it was time to stop thinking we were still a world power and interfering in other countries and spen the money at home..

He also went on to say just how much the MOD overspends and how much is wasted and how many billions of weapons/kit/munition
s will be left in Afgan which could actually be used by rebels to undo whhat had been done.

The military is a waste of money, or a luxury if you have money left after you look after the people at home.

How many other countries world wide spend as much as the UK on stupid wars and they aren't attacked day in day our by enemies.............
.no country has money to through away on the military, it may be the biggest factor on world peace, no one can afford wars any more


And Fat Eric has just doubled his dept's spending on consultants in 12 months, despite taking money from LAs
Defense minister has said that no cuts to the military but save by cutting welfare............. This country is the 4th biggest spender on the military worldwide and the 14th lowest sepnder on welfare, according to a Tory MP this morning, who, although an ex army officer, said the spending should be the other way around. He also said it was time to stop thinking we were still a world power and interfering in other countries and spen the money at home.. He also went on to say just how much the MOD overspends and how much is wasted and how many billions of weapons/kit/munition s will be left in Afgan which could actually be used by rebels to undo whhat had been done. The military is a waste of money, or a luxury if you have money left after you look after the people at home. How many other countries world wide spend as much as the UK on stupid wars and they aren't attacked day in day our by enemies............. .no country has money to through away on the military, it may be the biggest factor on world peace, no one can afford wars any more And Fat Eric has just doubled his dept's spending on consultants in 12 months, despite taking money from LAs CynicaloldGit
  • Score: 2

12:52pm Sat 2 Mar 13

CynicaloldGit says...

good grief, through away!!!!!!!!!

I mean throw away.
good grief, through away!!!!!!!!! I mean throw away. CynicaloldGit
  • Score: 1

3:31pm Sat 2 Mar 13

valevers says...

Jolly Roger wrote:
I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it.

I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less.

So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation.

You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.
On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me.
[quote][p][bold]Jolly Roger[/bold] wrote: I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it. I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less. So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation. You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.[/p][/quote]On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me. valevers
  • Score: 2

4:00pm Sat 2 Mar 13

DOGLAWRENCE says...

valevers wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it.

I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less.

So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation.

You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.
On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me.
I would sugest you Contact your Local C.A.B as they will be able to advise you which Benefits you may be entitled . You might be Surprised and find out you are one of the Thousands who do not Claim Benefits they are Entitled to and if you Require them the C.A.B can do House Visits if needed
[quote][p][bold]valevers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jolly Roger[/bold] wrote: I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it. I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less. So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation. You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.[/p][/quote]On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me.[/p][/quote]I would sugest you Contact your Local C.A.B as they will be able to advise you which Benefits you may be entitled . You might be Surprised and find out you are one of the Thousands who do not Claim Benefits they are Entitled to and if you Require them the C.A.B can do House Visits if needed DOGLAWRENCE
  • Score: 0

4:31pm Sat 2 Mar 13

Fossildog says...

valevers wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it.

I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less.

So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation.

You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.
On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me.
The over sixties are exempt from this change so nothing to worry about
[quote][p][bold]valevers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jolly Roger[/bold] wrote: I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it. I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less. So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation. You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.[/p][/quote]On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me.[/p][/quote]The over sixties are exempt from this change so nothing to worry about Fossildog
  • Score: 1

5:48pm Sat 2 Mar 13

Jonn says...

Fossildog wrote:
valevers wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it.

I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less.

So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation.

You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.
On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me.
The over sixties are exempt from this change so nothing to worry about
The over 60's may be exempt in April but things change again in October when Universal Credit starts.
Apparently new claimants in a mixed-age household will be hit which brings 67,000 households in range of the tax.
For new claimants, both will be treated as working age and subject to size criteria until they have both reached qualifying age for state pension.
[quote][p][bold]Fossildog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]valevers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jolly Roger[/bold] wrote: I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it. I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less. So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation. You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.[/p][/quote]On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me.[/p][/quote]The over sixties are exempt from this change so nothing to worry about[/p][/quote]The over 60's may be exempt in April but things change again in October when Universal Credit starts. Apparently new claimants in a mixed-age household will be hit which brings 67,000 households in range of the tax. For new claimants, both will be treated as working age and subject to size criteria until they have both reached qualifying age for state pension. Jonn
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Sat 2 Mar 13

Fossildog says...

Fossildog wrote:
valevers wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it.

I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less.

So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation.

You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.
On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me.
The over sixties are exempt from this change so nothing to worry about
Additionally you should be claiming more than just housing allowance. You would be entitled to the majority of your council tax, if not all, being paid. You will also be entitled to some means tested benefit such as Job Seekers Allowance. You would also get free prescriptions and dental care?

Are you only claiming Housing Benefit?
[quote][p][bold]Fossildog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]valevers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jolly Roger[/bold] wrote: I am sorry but you don't own your rented property so if the landlord says you have 1 or two bedrooms un used you have to pay extra so be it. I own my own house and pay full council tax and strongly object to having to pay more than those who are on benefits living in the same style of house as me paying far far less. So yes I agree with these messures as I downsized when I did not need a three bedroomed house anymore for someone who did, so should all those in a similar situation. You all have to remember you don't own your property do you.[/p][/quote]On a council waiting list and offered a house, you can refuse only once if you dont whant to go back on the list, all there was to offer were TWO bedroomed houses, so there was no choice, it was a two bedroomed house or nothing, why should I be penalised for living in a two bedroomed house the Council chose to give me. I exist on £260 pm I am 61 and dont get state pension till 2014, I cannot work due to health issues but i claim nothing but housing benefit, and was just managing, now I'm not sure what will happen, do i move into a one bedroom flat/bungalow away from family who provide the moral and physical support I need, or do I stay, and cut backon heating, food, etc? you tell me.[/p][/quote]The over sixties are exempt from this change so nothing to worry about[/p][/quote]Additionally you should be claiming more than just housing allowance. You would be entitled to the majority of your council tax, if not all, being paid. You will also be entitled to some means tested benefit such as Job Seekers Allowance. You would also get free prescriptions and dental care? Are you only claiming Housing Benefit? Fossildog
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8:59pm Sat 2 Mar 13

victorjames says...

The government really knew what it was doing here and that the working class would tear each other to pieces. I've never read such bile in my life. COG is correct social housing came into its own after the 2nd WW and was for people who'd never lived in decent houses before. We moved into a brand new council house in the late 40s from a nissan hut. We had indoor loo, hot water and a garden. Then that mad woman in the 80s decided that everyone would like to be a homeowner and sold off most of the stock whilst making it impossible for councils to replace the stock. It worked she stuffed enough moeny down the throats of the working class, 2nd mortgages, foreign holidays. loadsa money, no such thing as society etc etc. Some of you spitting your bile at your fellow citizens should be ashamed. A house is not simply a house, its a home and you become part of a community.I always, in these cases, think there but for the grace of god. None of us knows whats around the next corner and what and who we might like to help and support us. The answer to this benefit bill was given right at the beginning of this catalogue of spite in that the government could just as easily cap rents. Its not rocket science, its been done before.
The government really knew what it was doing here and that the working class would tear each other to pieces. I've never read such bile in my life. COG is correct social housing came into its own after the 2nd WW and was for people who'd never lived in decent houses before. We moved into a brand new council house in the late 40s from a nissan hut. We had indoor loo, hot water and a garden. Then that mad woman in the 80s decided that everyone would like to be a homeowner and sold off most of the stock whilst making it impossible for councils to replace the stock. It worked she stuffed enough moeny down the throats of the working class, 2nd mortgages, foreign holidays. loadsa money, no such thing as society etc etc. Some of you spitting your bile at your fellow citizens should be ashamed. A house is not simply a house, its a home and you become part of a community.I always, in these cases, think there but for the grace of god. None of us knows whats around the next corner and what and who we might like to help and support us. The answer to this benefit bill was given right at the beginning of this catalogue of spite in that the government could just as easily cap rents. Its not rocket science, its been done before. victorjames
  • Score: 3

10:19pm Sat 2 Mar 13

maur1 says...

odd drink?? i know people on benefits and heavy smoke system allows them too like its their right nrver worked for years, but why should they
odd drink?? i know people on benefits and heavy smoke system allows them too like its their right nrver worked for years, but why should they maur1
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11:09pm Sat 2 Mar 13

sablepoot1967 says...

Yes, there are people on benefits that smoke and drink heavily, but you shouldn't tar all of them with the same brush! and alot of people on benefits have been hard working people who would give anything not to be scrounging off the state, especially when they feel degraded by so many "Hard working" people!
Yes, there are people on benefits that smoke and drink heavily, but you shouldn't tar all of them with the same brush! and alot of people on benefits have been hard working people who would give anything not to be scrounging off the state, especially when they feel degraded by so many "Hard working" people! sablepoot1967
  • Score: 2

8:15am Sun 3 Mar 13

victorjames says...

CynicaloldGit wrote:
Startreck, you are just too intelligent for some people on here, the likes of spragger and jude et-al just won't understand what you're talking about. Good on yer mate.
COG see my earlier post but I'm afraid its a dialogue of the deaf and we're outnumbered. I can guarantee that our friends across the channel wouldn't stand for it. They understand FRATERNITY
[quote][p][bold]CynicaloldGit[/bold] wrote: Startreck, you are just too intelligent for some people on here, the likes of spragger and jude et-al just won't understand what you're talking about. Good on yer mate.[/p][/quote]COG see my earlier post but I'm afraid its a dialogue of the deaf and we're outnumbered. I can guarantee that our friends across the channel wouldn't stand for it. They understand FRATERNITY victorjames
  • Score: 1

8:40am Sun 3 Mar 13

Jonn says...

maur1 wrote:
odd drink?? i know people on benefits and heavy smoke system allows them too like its their right nrver worked for years, but why should they
Well, seeing as though over 80% of the price of a packet of cigarettes goes straight back to the Government in tax and vat, you get most of your hard earned taxes back immediately.
[quote][p][bold]maur1[/bold] wrote: odd drink?? i know people on benefits and heavy smoke system allows them too like its their right nrver worked for years, but why should they[/p][/quote]Well, seeing as though over 80% of the price of a packet of cigarettes goes straight back to the Government in tax and vat, you get most of your hard earned taxes back immediately. Jonn
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