Witness plea over Darlington car crash

9:34am Saturday 24th November 2012 in News

POLICE are appealing for witnesses after a car crashed into a tree in Darlington late last night.

The accident happened on Carmel Road North at 11.48pm when the driver of a BMW 335 lost control of the vehicle and hit a tree.

Durham Police said the car was overtaking other vehicles at the time.

The driver, the sole occupant, was taken to Darlington Memorial Hospital with serious injuries.

Witnesses are asked to contact Acting Sergeant Kevin Salter of the roads policing unit on 101.

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superstretch says...
2:23pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Aah, Carmel Road, that well known overtaking opportunity...

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bunt61 says...
3:13pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Superstretch thats a great comment!!!! (just what I was thinking)

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5under1and says...
4:08pm Sat 24 Nov 12

my thoughts too, at least no innocent person got hurt

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Darlotilidie says...
7:58pm Sat 24 Nov 12

....someone's son! Hope he pulls through :)

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RobAycliffe says...
10:08am Sun 25 Nov 12

How's the tree?

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Liamsm says...
10:34am Sun 25 Nov 12

RobAycliffe wrote:
How's the tree?
Aycliffe......yuck

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ye_shoggoth says...
12:05pm Sun 25 Nov 12

A BMW driver. Who'd have guessed.

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Celer et Audax says...
1:09pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Harsh comments, if it was one of your relatives in hospital you would change your tune.

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HSC says...
3:21pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Even if it was one of my relatives I'd still be calling him a stupid b###ard for driving like an idiot and endangering other people!

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jaywiganafc says...
7:15pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Overtaking on that rd!!!!!!

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johnny_p says...
9:07pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Maybe people shouldn't comment on the accident until the full facts are known?

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kimboslice says...
10:09pm Sun 25 Nov 12

johnny_p wrote:
Maybe people shouldn't comment on the accident until the full facts are known?
well said .... no1 else was hurting and he's clearly paying for his mistake .... sure his family n friends will appreciate your positive thoughts and kind words .... pppfffttt I hope none of u r ever in this situation n come across such judgmental .pr@*ks

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kimboslice says...
10:12pm Sun 25 Nov 12

RobAycliffe wrote:
How's the tree?
there r no words to describe u except troll
or parasite

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Quaker79 says...
11:05pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Judgemental? The guy was overtaking on Carmel f##king Road, as the POLICE confirmed.

So no, most us won't be in this situation, as anyone who's a full shilling knows you just don't drive like that and expect to stay injury-free.

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kevmacka says...
11:06pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Scumbag cowards like RobAycliffe always make snide little comments from his PC. If he likes, I can introduce him to the lads family and friends. Bet I don't get a reply ??

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johnny_p says...
7:09am Mon 26 Nov 12

Quaker79 wrote:
Judgemental? The guy was overtaking on Carmel f##king Road, as the POLICE confirmed.

So no, most us won't be in this situation, as anyone who's a full shilling knows you just don't drive like that and expect to stay injury-free.
He was reported as overtaking, maybe he wasn't- perhaps the Echo got the facts wrong. Or perhaps he was overtaking a milk float. He may have skidded on ice doing 15 mph. His steering or brakes could have failed. Who knows?

There was a recent item on the Echo reporting a cyclist who was killed on McMullen road. The first comment was questioning what he was doing "cycling on the road when there was a cycle path there", and was followed by many other trolling-type hateful comments from people who had a grudge to bear against cyclists.

It soon became apparent though that he had been hit by a car on a crossing, and not while "cycling on the road".

So let's let the Police investigate this accident here- not anonymous keyboard warriors.

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kimboslice says...
8:21am Mon 26 Nov 12

johnny_p wrote:
Quaker79 wrote:
Judgemental? The guy was overtaking on Carmel f##king Road, as the POLICE confirmed.

So no, most us won't be in this situation, as anyone who's a full shilling knows you just don't drive like that and expect to stay injury-free.
He was reported as overtaking, maybe he wasn't- perhaps the Echo got the facts wrong. Or perhaps he was overtaking a milk float. He may have skidded on ice doing 15 mph. His steering or brakes could have failed. Who knows?

There was a recent item on the Echo reporting a cyclist who was killed on McMullen road. The first comment was questioning what he was doing "cycling on the road when there was a cycle path there", and was followed by many other trolling-type hateful comments from people who had a grudge to bear against cyclists.

It soon became apparent though that he had been hit by a car on a crossing, and not while "cycling on the road".

So let's let the Police investigate this accident here- not anonymous keyboard warriors.
Nice to c me we r reading from the same page johnny p .... so yes, as I mentioned JUDGMENTAL ..... I would fear you lot being my jury as u clearly r incapable of being openminded to facts, fiction and circumstances ..... I'm sure u would be less JUDGMENTAL had this been a police
Car rather than a "BMW driver"

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davekipto says...
10:16am Mon 26 Nov 12

Well I reckon If anyone has anything nasty to say, leave your number and address with your **** little comment. Thanks

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kimboslice says...
10:30am Mon 26 Nov 12

davekipto wrote:
Well I reckon If anyone has anything nasty to say, leave your number and address with your **** little comment. Thanks
They won't kips hence the usernames .... trolls with little else to do except feed off others mistakes n hurt

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HSC says...
10:32am Mon 26 Nov 12

kimboslice wrote:
davekipto wrote:
Well I reckon If anyone has anything nasty to say, leave your number and address with your **** little comment. Thanks
They won't kips hence the usernames .... trolls with little else to do except feed off others mistakes n hurt
Says "kimbo slice"

Think you two are a little to delicate for the internet - stay on the top half of the internet!

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Employed Tax Payer, Central Darlo says...
10:40am Mon 26 Nov 12

johnny_p "He was reported as overtaking, maybe he wasn't- perhaps the Echo got the facts wrong. Or perhaps he was overtaking a milk float. He may have skidded on ice doing 15 mph. His steering or brakes could have failed. Who knows?"

Or perhaps the tree jumped out in front of him.

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davekipto says...
10:42am Mon 26 Nov 12

If you have anything to say don't do it whilst hiding on the computer, leave your number or address and then you can say your clever little comment

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HSC says...
10:46am Mon 26 Nov 12

davekipto wrote:
If you have anything to say don't do it whilst hiding on the computer, leave your number or address and then you can say your clever little comment
I'm assuming you know the driver - how is he?

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kimboslice says...
10:46am Mon 26 Nov 12

Employed Tax Payer, Central Darlo wrote:
johnny_p "He was reported as overtaking, maybe he wasn't- perhaps the Echo got the facts wrong. Or perhaps he was overtaking a milk float. He may have skidded on ice doing 15 mph. His steering or brakes could have failed. Who knows?"

Or perhaps the tree jumped out in front of him.
Where u out in the early hrs of Saturday morning to experience the weather conditions? I would maybe look into that before attempting to b humorous about moving trees

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HSC says...
10:48am Mon 26 Nov 12

kimboslice wrote:
Employed Tax Payer, Central Darlo wrote:
johnny_p "He was reported as overtaking, maybe he wasn't- perhaps the Echo got the facts wrong. Or perhaps he was overtaking a milk float. He may have skidded on ice doing 15 mph. His steering or brakes could have failed. Who knows?"

Or perhaps the tree jumped out in front of him.
Where u out in the early hrs of Saturday morning to experience the weather conditions? I would maybe look into that before attempting to b humorous about moving trees
...maybe another reason not to be overtaking in a high powered rear wheel drive car!

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Quaker79 says...
11:53am Mon 26 Nov 12

OK kimboslice and johnnyp, if you read he story properly DURHAM POLICE SAID he was overtaking other vehicles (plural!) at the time. That's not me judging, just reading carefully what the police said on the matter.

And johnnyp, yes maybe he was overtaking a fleet of milk floats... at 11.48pm. Who knows?!

If anyone thinks I'm a keyboard warrior then you've confused me... please point me to where I have threatened anyone?

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kimboslice says...
11:59am Mon 26 Nov 12

HSC wrote:
kimboslice wrote:
Employed Tax Payer, Central Darlo wrote:
johnny_p "He was reported as overtaking, maybe he wasn't- perhaps the Echo got the facts wrong. Or perhaps he was overtaking a milk float. He may have skidded on ice doing 15 mph. His steering or brakes could have failed. Who knows?"

Or perhaps the tree jumped out in front of him.
Where u out in the early hrs of Saturday morning to experience the weather conditions? I would maybe look into that before attempting to b humorous about moving trees
...maybe another reason not to be overtaking in a high powered rear wheel drive car!
Again, rather than speculate wouldn't it be more respectful to hold out on judging until facts are made clear ..... no1 knows if he was driving erratic/speeding etc ....

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kevmacka says...
4:39pm Mon 26 Nov 12

No matter what happened or whose fault it was, the poor lad is in a bad way and nobody deserves that. Snide little comments don't help anyone and especially by those that hide behind a PC. Tossers full stop !!!

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johnny_p says...
5:03pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Quaker79 wrote:
OK kimboslice and johnnyp, if you read he story properly DURHAM POLICE SAID he was overtaking other vehicles (plural!) at the time. That's not me judging, just reading carefully what the police said on the matter.

And johnnyp, yes maybe he was overtaking a fleet of milk floats... at 11.48pm. Who knows?!

If anyone thinks I'm a keyboard warrior then you've confused me... please point me to where I have threatened anyone?
So if the Police knew exactly what happened why are they asking for witnesses?

Some very hateful, judgemental people out there.

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ye_shoggoth says...
5:04pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Lol internets tough guys ITT.

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Liamsm says...
5:22pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Let it rest everyone. At the end of the day the fella is not in a good way and my thoughts are with him and his family. Now is not the time to be judgemental so let the police do what we expect them to do and get to the bottom of the incident. Some of the comments left on here are shocking, I really do hope his family do not read them. Irrelevant of the chain of events fingers crossed he pulls through. It would be interesting to know how many people who are leaving the shocking comments would actually say it to the fellas face if he were stood in front of them. I know the answer to that…..ZERO.

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HSC says...
5:28pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Don't really think that you understand the comments section on news website...they are there to make subjective and objective comments on the news story.

Not as a direct communication to the person involved in the story.

If you don't like it...don't read it!

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kevmacka says...
5:42pm Mon 26 Nov 12

HSC says...

Don't really think that you understand the comments section on news website...they are there to make subjective and objective comments on the news story.

Not as a direct communication to the person involved in the story.

If you don't like it...don't read it!
So what is subjective or objective in your comments HSC. Or " how's the tree?" If you can't be objective don't write utter tripe and we wouldn't need to read it !!!

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Quaker79 says...
6:45pm Mon 26 Nov 12

johnny_p wrote:
Quaker79 wrote:
OK kimboslice and johnnyp, if you read he story properly DURHAM POLICE SAID he was overtaking other vehicles (plural!) at the time. That's not me judging, just reading carefully what the police said on the matter.

And johnnyp, yes maybe he was overtaking a fleet of milk floats... at 11.48pm. Who knows?!

If anyone thinks I'm a keyboard warrior then you've confused me... please point me to where I have threatened anyone?
So if the Police knew exactly what happened why are they asking for witnesses?

Some very hateful, judgemental people out there.
They would ask for witnesses maybe to back up a witness they already have?

On the other hand, if it was a steering or braking fault they probably wouldn't be asking for witnesses, as a mechanical failure is easy to discover.

Please don't assume I am full of hate, I am nothing of the sort. I don't know this lad, I wish him a speedy recovery but just hope he learns from it.

I don't see why the police would say he was overtaking if he wasn't.

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Liamsm says...
6:48pm Mon 26 Nov 12

kevmacka wrote:
HSC says...

Don't really think that you understand the comments section on news website...they are there to make subjective and objective comments on the news story.

Not as a direct communication to the person involved in the story.

If you don't like it...don't read it!
So what is subjective or objective in your comments HSC. Or " how's the tree?" If you can't be objective don't write utter tripe and we wouldn't need to read it !!!
HSC.....I will not even waste my time sending a reply to that comment. I suggest you read some of the comments left!! SUBJECTIVE AND OBJECTIVE fine but wrong and insensitive NO.

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HSC says...
7:20pm Mon 26 Nov 12

You just did reply?!

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kevmacka says...
7:28pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Another pathetic comment HSC. I noticed your "cowardly" statement " not as a direct comment to the person involved" when a few people challenged you. Earlier you said you'd call him a stupid b###ard. But only from behind your PC eh?. Pathetic............
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HSC says...
7:59pm Mon 26 Nov 12

You big daftie!

Reckon we're close to Godwin's Law here!

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kevmacka says...
8:12pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Nowt to do with Godwin's Law. RESPECT and SENSITIVITY is what it's all about. You know nothing of the circumstances in truth but only what you've read and the media have been known to get it wrong? That aside, even if it is the poor lad's fault he doesn't deserve to be in the way he's in or have you never made a mistake? On top of that he'll have a family who could possibly be reading your ill judged comments.

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kevmacka says...
10:29pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Anonymous
latest on ***** is hes still asleep but hes not sedated anymore so hopefully he will wake up during night or maybe tomorrow, COME ON SLEEPY WAKE UP AND BE OK!!

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peely24 says...
5:53am Tue 27 Nov 12

My best wishes go to his family and friends, and a speedy recovery; xx

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ClareB1 says...
9:18pm Tue 27 Nov 12

My thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends at this distressing time, I hope he makes a full recovery... lovely guy....

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tjm/67 says...
10:02am Wed 28 Nov 12

shocking comments the echo should remove them. accidents happen .he is not the first or the last driver to overtake anyone on any road .hope the driver is ok soon many people do the same every day on every road

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kendizx9r says...
10:15am Wed 28 Nov 12

must of been because it was a bmw, nice one reporter you bring out the worst in people.
hope the innocent get over this.

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sarahd says...
12:37pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Ok, so some of the comments on here are uncalled for and I do hope the driver gets better but as for "accidents happen", they sometimes only happen at the recklessness of some people.

I do not know the facts but if the facts are that he was over taking other cars, then it was his fault (not saying he deserved this though). It was just lucky that it was a single vehicle collision and no innocent party were involved. His actions (if he was at fault) could have caused someone else so much pain.

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battboy77 says...
1:22pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Drug induced driving i heard.........just saying what i heard?

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Darlogirl1 says...
2:25pm Wed 28 Nov 12

battboy77 wrote:
Drug induced driving i heard.........just saying what i heard?
That was a nice way to put it..........those who live by the sword an all that !

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johnny_p says...
8:08pm Wed 28 Nov 12

battboy77 wrote:
Drug induced driving i heard.........just saying what i heard?
Be careful. Very careful- that sort of comment could be viewed as libellous. Perhaps best not to repeat things you've heard.

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HSC says...
11:12pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Tonight...I heard he was a 'full townie bad lad' whose renown for both his drug-taking and being a 'mad-head'!

I think as a society we can agree that we don't want people driving recklessly - possibly drug or drink induced - within our towns.

So hope, he pulls through and has no lasting damage, but is punished with the full weight of the law!

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kevmacka says...
12:06am Thu 29 Nov 12

johnny_p wrote:
battboy77 wrote:
Drug induced driving i heard.........just saying what i heard?
Be careful. Very careful- that sort of comment could be viewed as libellous. Perhaps best not to repeat things you've heard.
Careful

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The old giffer says...
9:34am Thu 29 Nov 12

Another young man makes a mistake in a high powered car. this has been going on for as long as there have been cars. Drugs? alcohol? possibly. Again, it has always happened, lads, cars, alcohol, a deadly mix, but nothing new, and before we go any further I hope the guy makes a full recovery, I wish him all the best. Some of the comments here have been a bit harsh and judgmental, but some of the replies have been very threatening. If I were to put up the name and adress of someone I wish harmed, who has played no part in this slanging match, would you do him harm,Kimbo?
The man you take your username from is a renowned streetfighter.Is that how you envisage yourself? Delusions of grandeur springs to mind here.Back to the story- some people appear to be getting close to the truth , and some others don't like it. Lets wait and see what the investigation brings, and if HSC is right, maybe his detracors will apologise on this site, but I doubt it.

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kevmacka says...
10:52am Thu 29 Nov 12

Its not about who is right or who is wrong old giffer. It's about showing respect and giving people the benefit of the doubt before we know the full facts. "Gossip" can lead to all sorts of problems as we'll all have fallen victim to that in the past. If the poor lad is guilty of anything then let him pay the consequences, but when people write disgusting comments as "How is the tree?" they're beneath contempt. Even if the lad has done something wrong he's still someones son, brother dad? They have feelings too !

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Lucy91 says...
11:27am Thu 29 Nov 12

Idiot comments here from people who have no idea what happened or who he is.People who sit and gossip,presume and speculate.

I know what happened,but wouldn't be so callous as write uncaring things about someone is is gravely ill.My heart goes out to him and his family.

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rupshall says...
4:47pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Why does the Echo allow comments to an article like this? You're bound to get the lousy driver/thoughtless judgmental trolls exchange you see above. Much heat and very little light.

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kimboslice says...
5:10pm Thu 29 Nov 12

HSC wrote:
Tonight...I heard he was a 'full townie bad lad' whose renown for both his drug-taking and being a 'mad-head'!

I think as a society we can agree that we don't want people driving recklessly - possibly drug or drink induced - within our towns.

So hope, he pulls through and has no lasting damage, but is punished with the full weight of the law!
Are u actually for f@#king real??? Please elaborate on the phrase "townie" ..... if u mean he's lived in darlington all his life then, yes .... "mad head" ... lol far from, he would laugh n walk rather than go "mad" ...ya sources talk utter nonsense and u should maybe find better 1s if you wanna try degrading his character

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kimboslice says...
5:35pm Thu 29 Nov 12

The old giffer wrote:
Another young man makes a mistake in a high powered car. this has been going on for as long as there have been cars. Drugs? alcohol? possibly. Again, it has always happened, lads, cars, alcohol, a deadly mix, but nothing new, and before we go any further I hope the guy makes a full recovery, I wish him all the best. Some of the comments here have been a bit harsh and judgmental, but some of the replies have been very threatening. If I were to put up the name and adress of someone I wish harmed, who has played no part in this slanging match, would you do him harm,Kimbo? The man you take your username from is a renowned streetfighter.Is that how you envisage yourself? Delusions of grandeur springs to mind here.Back to the story- some people appear to be getting close to the truth , and some others don't like it. Lets wait and see what the investigation brings, and if HSC is right, maybe his detracors will apologise on this site, but I doubt it.
This made me smile heaps :) so yet again someone else passing judgment due to my user name .... standard .. how do you know this isn't a nicname which my father gave to me as a child due to me being large, black and loved to wear a black bandana to watch cartoons?? exatly, you are just jumping to conclusions like the majority of the ppl on this page ... have i used any threatening behaviour?? suggestive remarks regarding violence?? nope. think i've made my point ....

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kimboslice says...
5:39pm Thu 29 Nov 12

battboy77 wrote:
Drug induced driving i heard.........just saying what i heard?
this could b correct ..... toothache an be painful .... i have also driven under the influence of paracetomol, now and then ( between me and you ) iburofen ....

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kevmacka says...
10:18pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Been to see ***** today again, he was not on sedation all night and seems to be breathing better on his own today, he sometimes responds by moving his arms and flickering his eye lids so seems like he can hear us, all good signs, will keep you all updated.

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kevmacka says...
10:23pm Thu 29 Nov 12

kevmacka wrote:
Been to see ***** today again, he was not on sedation all night and seems to be breathing better on his own today, he sometimes responds by moving his arms and flickering his eye lids so seems like he can hear us, all good signs, will keep you all updated.
Not me been to see him by the way but wish the lad well and hope he can get back to normal.

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drainman says...
5:23pm Fri 30 Nov 12

There really is some arseholes on here, the main thing is that the guy is ok and improving. He made a mistake, but i'm sure everyone on here has at sometime or another, i certainly have. Good look to the bloke and his family as its really not what they wanted so near to Christmas.

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Alan Farr says...
8:08am Sun 2 Dec 12

Let me start by say the northern echo does twist what gets said to them9/10. example a Darlington boxer did an interview with them then came on fb and said I never said half the stuff they printed the echo is known for it. & no2 he is t top lad and ppl make mistakes but no1 deserves to be hurt and then slagged off like this I no the lad and his mates and family and everyone is worried so jump off ur keyboards u hard ppl and come into the real world.

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ItsLindsey says...
9:55am Wed 5 Dec 12

My god some of you's seem to presume an awful lot from one paragraph in the echo. Show some respect for him and his family at this awful time you heartless twatters.

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