Mother of teenage soldiers hits out at housing benefit cuts

Darlington and Stockton Times: STRUGGLE: Alison Huggan shows photographs of sons, Anas and Aaron STRUGGLE: Alison Huggan shows photographs of sons, Anas and Aaron

TWO teenage North-East soldiers will have nowhere to sleep when they return home from barracks because of housing benefit cuts, an MP has warned.

Single mum Alison Huggan brought up 18-year-old Anas and Aaron in a three-bedroom house in Coulby Newham, in Middlesbrough.

But the family - because the boys have joined the Army - has been hit by the so-called 'bedroom tax', which will slash housing benefit in cases of "under-occupancy", from next April.

Anyone deemed to have a spare bedroom will lose 14 per cent of their social housing help - or 25 per cent if they have two spare rooms - threatening Ms Huggan with a loss of nearly £1,000 a year.

Ms Huggan has spoken with her housing association about moving to a one-bedroom home, but has been told that none are likely to be available - throwing family life into turmoil.

One of the strongest criticisms of the 'bedroom tax' is that there are no smaller homes for 95,000 affected families across England, with the North-East the hardest hit area.

Ms Huggan said: "The government has made no concessions and have totally disregarded personal circumstances.

"If the government forces these changes it means that, when my sons return home after defending our country and serving its people, they will not have a bed to sleep in at their family home."

Anas has joined the Yorkshire Regiment, while Aaron is a Fusilier, based at Catterick, having recently graduated from Army Foundation College.

The issue was raised in the Commons, where Tom Blenkinsop, Labour MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland, accused ministers of breaching the 'military covenant'.

Mr Blenkinsop said numerous families across his constituency would be hit by the cut, including the disabled whose homes had been altered to enable them to live there.

He told MPs: "I found Alison's, and her sons', situation particularly distressing as it wasn't too long ago that the Armed Forces Covenant was enshrined in law.

"That was meant to recognise that the whole nation has a moral obligation to members of the Armed Forces and their families and it establishes how they should expect to be treated.

"Yet the lack of consideration given to that commitment - when the bedroom tax comes into force - is shameful."

In response, Mike Penning, a Northern Ireland minister, said the "benefit structure" was being considered by the military covenant committee, which would report back before Christmas.

But a rethink on the 'bedroom tax' is unlikely. Ministers - faced with a housing benefit bill topping £21bn a year and rising - have insisted costs have to be cut.

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10:11am Fri 23 Nov 12

sarahd says...

I see where she is coming from as they are saying the house is too big for her but there are no smaller ones available but having said that- £1000 per year, Surely he sons wouldn't mind paying £50 each a month to keep a roof over their mums head and also for them to come back to.
I see where she is coming from as they are saying the house is too big for her but there are no smaller ones available but having said that- £1000 per year, Surely he sons wouldn't mind paying £50 each a month to keep a roof over their mums head and also for them to come back to. sarahd

10:21am Fri 23 Nov 12

soulie67 says...

THE GOVERMENTS NEW CHRISTMAS SONG.... You Better Watch Out, You Better Not Cry, You Better Pay Up, Im Telling You Why, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He's Making His Cuts, Checking Them Twice, He Doesn't Think That Benefits Are Nice, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He Sees Where You Are Sleeping, He Knows If A Bedrooms §pare, That Empty Bed Cant Hide From Him, He Can Tell If No One's There. & If You've Àny Children, & They Number More Than Two, You'd Better Hide The Others, Or He'll Tax You For Them Too! He Can't Wait 4 April, He's Planned Who He Will Curse, With Extra Cuts So He Can Make Next Years Christmas Even Worse!
THE GOVERMENTS NEW CHRISTMAS SONG.... You Better Watch Out, You Better Not Cry, You Better Pay Up, Im Telling You Why, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He's Making His Cuts, Checking Them Twice, He Doesn't Think That Benefits Are Nice, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He Sees Where You Are Sleeping, He Knows If A Bedrooms §pare, That Empty Bed Cant Hide From Him, He Can Tell If No One's There. & If You've Àny Children, & They Number More Than Two, You'd Better Hide The Others, Or He'll Tax You For Them Too! He Can't Wait 4 April, He's Planned Who He Will Curse, With Extra Cuts So He Can Make Next Years Christmas Even Worse! soulie67

10:40am Fri 23 Nov 12

ac63 says...

Why doesn't she get a job then she wouldn't have to claim housing benefit and could choose the size home she lived in.
Why doesn't she get a job then she wouldn't have to claim housing benefit and could choose the size home she lived in. ac63

11:41am Fri 23 Nov 12

Topcat28 says...

I really fail to see the issue from the point of the individual. The joint income for the household will be over 30,000 at least. The story only seems to have been brought to the attention of the public because her sons are in the army. Not really sure on the relevance of this.
There are a number of people in the current climate struggling to get by who are not in a position to claim any support from the government let alone would they want to. I have no sympathy.
I really fail to see the issue from the point of the individual. The joint income for the household will be over 30,000 at least. The story only seems to have been brought to the attention of the public because her sons are in the army. Not really sure on the relevance of this. There are a number of people in the current climate struggling to get by who are not in a position to claim any support from the government let alone would they want to. I have no sympathy. Topcat28

1:27pm Fri 23 Nov 12

IanfromCrook says...

They are being disadvantaged though the biggest and worst hit will be those that have a broken family. The person without custody will be severely hit. This will scatter families more causing pain and hardship to parents and children. As for get a job, this is a typical Tory chant when there are little or no jobs, certainly not permanent. Leave the banks alone, leave the tax dodgers, kick the poor and pour money into never ending enquiries into everything.
Who voted for this?
They are being disadvantaged though the biggest and worst hit will be those that have a broken family. The person without custody will be severely hit. This will scatter families more causing pain and hardship to parents and children. As for get a job, this is a typical Tory chant when there are little or no jobs, certainly not permanent. Leave the banks alone, leave the tax dodgers, kick the poor and pour money into never ending enquiries into everything. Who voted for this? IanfromCrook

1:46pm Fri 23 Nov 12

loonyleft says...

well said Ian, all the tory bloggers on this site answers the question why unions were created,and they in turn created the labour party, and grim north wonders why so many people slag the tories on this site,you just have to read the spitful and nasty comments from tory supporters to find the answer.
well said Ian, all the tory bloggers on this site answers the question why unions were created,and they in turn created the labour party, and grim north wonders why so many people slag the tories on this site,you just have to read the spitful and nasty comments from tory supporters to find the answer. loonyleft

2:01pm Fri 23 Nov 12

ArtDecoGirl says...

Oh yes, brilliant ac63, why doesn't she just get a job? Because it really is that easy! I don't know why nobody thought of that before. Oh, expect David Cameron, and we all know how in touch HE is with jobs and housing and, well, everything really...
Oh yes, brilliant ac63, why doesn't she just get a job? Because it really is that easy! I don't know why nobody thought of that before. Oh, expect David Cameron, and we all know how in touch HE is with jobs and housing and, well, everything really... ArtDecoGirl

2:21pm Fri 23 Nov 12

jude666 says...

If £1000 equates to 25% then her housing benefit must be nearly £350 per month. Wow. I have to work to pay a mortgage on my 3 bedroom property, I only wish someone would contribute £350 towards my mortgage for doing sod all. If you want a roof over your families head then pay for it yourself, why is it always the taxpayers responsibility to pay for everythng because people feel a sense of entitlement.
If £1000 equates to 25% then her housing benefit must be nearly £350 per month. Wow. I have to work to pay a mortgage on my 3 bedroom property, I only wish someone would contribute £350 towards my mortgage for doing sod all. If you want a roof over your families head then pay for it yourself, why is it always the taxpayers responsibility to pay for everythng because people feel a sense of entitlement. jude666

2:56pm Fri 23 Nov 12

loonyleft says...

jude666, what a pity you have to go to work,don't worry the way the country is going you will soon lose your job and you won't be able to afford your mortgage at all- oops thats not good is it never mind eh.
jude666, what a pity you have to go to work,don't worry the way the country is going you will soon lose your job and you won't be able to afford your mortgage at all- oops thats not good is it never mind eh. loonyleft

2:56pm Fri 23 Nov 12

loonyleft says...

jude666, what a pity you have to go to work,don't worry the way the country is going you will soon lose your job and you won't be able to afford your mortgage at all- oops thats not good is it never mind eh.
jude666, what a pity you have to go to work,don't worry the way the country is going you will soon lose your job and you won't be able to afford your mortgage at all- oops thats not good is it never mind eh. loonyleft

5:24pm Fri 23 Nov 12

5under1and says...

But then who will help jude666? I work with some temps who have mortgages and some who rent from the council, guess who worries more when they get finished from time to time!
But then who will help jude666? I work with some temps who have mortgages and some who rent from the council, guess who worries more when they get finished from time to time! 5under1and

6:25pm Fri 23 Nov 12

loonyleft says...

Sunder1and,thats why the majority of people in Germany rent their homes.
Sunder1and,thats why the majority of people in Germany rent their homes. loonyleft

8:18pm Fri 23 Nov 12

stevegg says...

Its about time those who contribute nothing to the public purse suffer, most of whom are in many ways financially better off than the average taxpayer. I get sick of hearing how people on benefits are always hard done to at the slightest cut when taxpayers have suffered and are going to continue to suffer for years to come. I have had no pay rise for 3 years yet had to endure the thought of paying taxes so those on benefits could enjoy a 5% increase this year. The UK has one of the most generous benefits systems in the world with a weak accounting system which is overabused by millions and an increasing drain on the public purse, for the first time ever the amount of money put into the system is being outstripped by that being taken out which is unsustainable for taxpayers and totally unfair on them. Were all in this together so its only fair those exploiting the over generous system took some of the pain as well.
Its about time those who contribute nothing to the public purse suffer, most of whom are in many ways financially better off than the average taxpayer. I get sick of hearing how people on benefits are always hard done to at the slightest cut when taxpayers have suffered and are going to continue to suffer for years to come. I have had no pay rise for 3 years yet had to endure the thought of paying taxes so those on benefits could enjoy a 5% increase this year. The UK has one of the most generous benefits systems in the world with a weak accounting system which is overabused by millions and an increasing drain on the public purse, for the first time ever the amount of money put into the system is being outstripped by that being taken out which is unsustainable for taxpayers and totally unfair on them. Were all in this together so its only fair those exploiting the over generous system took some of the pain as well. stevegg

9:37pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Jonn says...

stevegg wrote:
Its about time those who contribute nothing to the public purse suffer, most of whom are in many ways financially better off than the average taxpayer. I get sick of hearing how people on benefits are always hard done to at the slightest cut when taxpayers have suffered and are going to continue to suffer for years to come. I have had no pay rise for 3 years yet had to endure the thought of paying taxes so those on benefits could enjoy a 5% increase this year. The UK has one of the most generous benefits systems in the world with a weak accounting system which is overabused by millions and an increasing drain on the public purse, for the first time ever the amount of money put into the system is being outstripped by that being taken out which is unsustainable for taxpayers and totally unfair on them. Were all in this together so its only fair those exploiting the over generous system took some of the pain as well.
The 5% wasn't an increase, it was inline with inflation so you are incorrect. Any over 25 Job Seeker on £68 pw would have 'enjoyed' an eye watering £3 extra per week.
[quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: Its about time those who contribute nothing to the public purse suffer, most of whom are in many ways financially better off than the average taxpayer. I get sick of hearing how people on benefits are always hard done to at the slightest cut when taxpayers have suffered and are going to continue to suffer for years to come. I have had no pay rise for 3 years yet had to endure the thought of paying taxes so those on benefits could enjoy a 5% increase this year. The UK has one of the most generous benefits systems in the world with a weak accounting system which is overabused by millions and an increasing drain on the public purse, for the first time ever the amount of money put into the system is being outstripped by that being taken out which is unsustainable for taxpayers and totally unfair on them. Were all in this together so its only fair those exploiting the over generous system took some of the pain as well.[/p][/quote]The 5% wasn't an increase, it was inline with inflation so you are incorrect. Any over 25 Job Seeker on £68 pw would have 'enjoyed' an eye watering £3 extra per week. Jonn

11:10pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Robert_ says...

Why dont they all chip in for the rent, no one owes you a house....
Why dont they all chip in for the rent, no one owes you a house.... Robert_

11:10pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Robert_ says...

Why dont they all chip in for the rent, no one owes you a house....
Why dont they all chip in for the rent, no one owes you a house.... Robert_

12:21am Sat 24 Nov 12

johnny_p says...

Maybe now her sons are working suggest they pay something- I guess they still come home when on leave? She may be loosing £1000 a year but she now has two less mouths to feed.

A bit of a non story?
Maybe now her sons are working suggest they pay something- I guess they still come home when on leave? She may be loosing £1000 a year but she now has two less mouths to feed. A bit of a non story? johnny_p

1:08pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Duke of Aycliffe says...

Why is it on The Northern Echo comments board that people who work hard & pay their own way in life, are criticised & condemned as nasty or selfish?
Both my wife & I both work hard, own our house & enjoy a reasonable standard of living. This is because we both work hard.
We don't sit around waiting for handouts blaming everyone else. We both have young children, still work full time.
If this woman's sons are in the Army, well then potential employers would love her. No child care issues or schools being off in the winter. Overtime wouldn't be an issue. So she has an advangtage over other job seekers.
Sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for her & this is why the country is in a poor state financially. Too many people in this country & in the NE think that the government owes them a living.
Why is it on The Northern Echo comments board that people who work hard & pay their own way in life, are criticised & condemned as nasty or selfish? Both my wife & I both work hard, own our house & enjoy a reasonable standard of living. This is because we both work hard. We don't sit around waiting for handouts blaming everyone else. We both have young children, still work full time. If this woman's sons are in the Army, well then potential employers would love her. No child care issues or schools being off in the winter. Overtime wouldn't be an issue. So she has an advangtage over other job seekers. Sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for her & this is why the country is in a poor state financially. Too many people in this country & in the NE think that the government owes them a living. Duke of Aycliffe

8:25am Sun 25 Nov 12

Taxpaying Homeowner says...

Jonn wrote:
stevegg wrote:
Its about time those who contribute nothing to the public purse suffer, most of whom are in many ways financially better off than the average taxpayer. I get sick of hearing how people on benefits are always hard done to at the slightest cut when taxpayers have suffered and are going to continue to suffer for years to come. I have had no pay rise for 3 years yet had to endure the thought of paying taxes so those on benefits could enjoy a 5% increase this year. The UK has one of the most generous benefits systems in the world with a weak accounting system which is overabused by millions and an increasing drain on the public purse, for the first time ever the amount of money put into the system is being outstripped by that being taken out which is unsustainable for taxpayers and totally unfair on them. Were all in this together so its only fair those exploiting the over generous system took some of the pain as well.
The 5% wasn't an increase, it was inline with inflation so you are incorrect. Any over 25 Job Seeker on £68 pw would have 'enjoyed' an eye watering £3 extra per week.
So if you are working and you did get an extra 5% per year would that also not be a pay increase?? Benefits may be subject to inflation linked raises which is all well and good but don't insult us by trying to claim that these are not increases. £3 perweek is still an extra £156 per year which is better than nothing, for nothing!!

Its about time people like you got a grip and understood that benefits are not an entitlement!!
[quote][p][bold]Jonn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevegg[/bold] wrote: Its about time those who contribute nothing to the public purse suffer, most of whom are in many ways financially better off than the average taxpayer. I get sick of hearing how people on benefits are always hard done to at the slightest cut when taxpayers have suffered and are going to continue to suffer for years to come. I have had no pay rise for 3 years yet had to endure the thought of paying taxes so those on benefits could enjoy a 5% increase this year. The UK has one of the most generous benefits systems in the world with a weak accounting system which is overabused by millions and an increasing drain on the public purse, for the first time ever the amount of money put into the system is being outstripped by that being taken out which is unsustainable for taxpayers and totally unfair on them. Were all in this together so its only fair those exploiting the over generous system took some of the pain as well.[/p][/quote]The 5% wasn't an increase, it was inline with inflation so you are incorrect. Any over 25 Job Seeker on £68 pw would have 'enjoyed' an eye watering £3 extra per week.[/p][/quote]So if you are working and you did get an extra 5% per year would that also not be a pay increase?? Benefits may be subject to inflation linked raises which is all well and good but don't insult us by trying to claim that these are not increases. £3 perweek is still an extra £156 per year which is better than nothing, for nothing!! Its about time people like you got a grip and understood that benefits are not an entitlement!! Taxpaying Homeowner

10:45am Sun 25 Nov 12

loonyleft says...

isn't it funny how people are always working hard,but the country is is in such trouble,it's verysimplistic to say "get a job" there are 2 and ahalf million people then there are jobs,and there was no smaller houses for this women to move into.What do you want out of work people to do starve to death will that make you feel better.
isn't it funny how people are always working hard,but the country is is in such trouble,it's verysimplistic to say "get a job" there are 2 and ahalf million people then there are jobs,and there was no smaller houses for this women to move into.What do you want out of work people to do starve to death will that make you feel better. loonyleft

7:34pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Tracytinkler says...

soulie67 wrote:
THE GOVERMENTS NEW CHRISTMAS SONG.... You Better Watch Out, You Better Not Cry, You Better Pay Up, Im Telling You Why, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He's Making His Cuts, Checking Them Twice, He Doesn't Think That Benefits Are Nice, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He Sees Where You Are Sleeping, He Knows If A Bedrooms §pare, That Empty Bed Cant Hide From Him, He Can Tell If No One's There. & If You've Àny Children, & They Number More Than Two, You'd Better Hide The Others, Or He'll Tax You For Them Too! He Can't Wait 4 April, He's Planned Who He Will Curse, With Extra Cuts So He Can Make Next Years Christmas Even Worse!
This lady has 2 voluntary jobs, has just finished a degree and is constantly applying for jobs! She has worked all through her children's lives, please think before you comment!
[quote][p][bold]soulie67[/bold] wrote: THE GOVERMENTS NEW CHRISTMAS SONG.... You Better Watch Out, You Better Not Cry, You Better Pay Up, Im Telling You Why, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He's Making His Cuts, Checking Them Twice, He Doesn't Think That Benefits Are Nice, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He Sees Where You Are Sleeping, He Knows If A Bedrooms §pare, That Empty Bed Cant Hide From Him, He Can Tell If No One's There. & If You've Àny Children, & They Number More Than Two, You'd Better Hide The Others, Or He'll Tax You For Them Too! He Can't Wait 4 April, He's Planned Who He Will Curse, With Extra Cuts So He Can Make Next Years Christmas Even Worse![/p][/quote]This lady has 2 voluntary jobs, has just finished a degree and is constantly applying for jobs! She has worked all through her children's lives, please think before you comment! Tracytinkler

7:37pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Tracytinkler says...

Topcat28 wrote:
I really fail to see the issue from the point of the individual. The joint income for the household will be over 30,000 at least. The story only seems to have been brought to the attention of the public because her sons are in the army. Not really sure on the relevance of this.
There are a number of people in the current climate struggling to get by who are not in a position to claim any support from the government let alone would they want to. I have no sympathy.
To the individual who is saying the household income is over 30,000 please excerise some common sense if her sons are in the army then they are not contributing to the household income as they have to pay for their own housing whilst in the forces it is while they are home on leave the article is discussing! This lady works 2 volunteer jobs and has just completed a batchelor of sciences degree to obtain a job! Please think about this before you comment!
[quote][p][bold]Topcat28[/bold] wrote: I really fail to see the issue from the point of the individual. The joint income for the household will be over 30,000 at least. The story only seems to have been brought to the attention of the public because her sons are in the army. Not really sure on the relevance of this. There are a number of people in the current climate struggling to get by who are not in a position to claim any support from the government let alone would they want to. I have no sympathy.[/p][/quote]To the individual who is saying the household income is over 30,000 please excerise some common sense if her sons are in the army then they are not contributing to the household income as they have to pay for their own housing whilst in the forces it is while they are home on leave the article is discussing! This lady works 2 volunteer jobs and has just completed a batchelor of sciences degree to obtain a job! Please think about this before you comment! Tracytinkler

7:39pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Tracytinkler says...

Tracytinkler wrote:
soulie67 wrote:
THE GOVERMENTS NEW CHRISTMAS SONG.... You Better Watch Out, You Better Not Cry, You Better Pay Up, Im Telling You Why, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He's Making His Cuts, Checking Them Twice, He Doesn't Think That Benefits Are Nice, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He Sees Where You Are Sleeping, He Knows If A Bedrooms §pare, That Empty Bed Cant Hide From Him, He Can Tell If No One's There. & If You've Àny Children, & They Number More Than Two, You'd Better Hide The Others, Or He'll Tax You For Them Too! He Can't Wait 4 April, He's Planned Who He Will Curse, With Extra Cuts So He Can Make Next Years Christmas Even Worse!
This lady has 2 voluntary jobs, has just finished a degree and is constantly applying for jobs! She has worked all through her children's lives, please think before you comment!
This post has gone under the wrong comment sorry
[quote][p][bold]Tracytinkler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soulie67[/bold] wrote: THE GOVERMENTS NEW CHRISTMAS SONG.... You Better Watch Out, You Better Not Cry, You Better Pay Up, Im Telling You Why, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He's Making His Cuts, Checking Them Twice, He Doesn't Think That Benefits Are Nice, Mr Cameron’s Coming 2 Town. He Sees Where You Are Sleeping, He Knows If A Bedrooms §pare, That Empty Bed Cant Hide From Him, He Can Tell If No One's There. & If You've Àny Children, & They Number More Than Two, You'd Better Hide The Others, Or He'll Tax You For Them Too! He Can't Wait 4 April, He's Planned Who He Will Curse, With Extra Cuts So He Can Make Next Years Christmas Even Worse![/p][/quote]This lady has 2 voluntary jobs, has just finished a degree and is constantly applying for jobs! She has worked all through her children's lives, please think before you comment![/p][/quote]This post has gone under the wrong comment sorry Tracytinkler

9:05pm Sun 25 Nov 12

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

So if she has a batchelors degree she will be in a strong position to find a well paid job and stop taking money out my pocket for doing bugger all. The sheer audacity of some people is staggering, how can anyone complain about getting a reduction in money that they dont have to do anything for in the first place? Oh yes and when she does start to put something back into the pot give her a higher tax code to make up for the money claimed.
So if she has a batchelors degree she will be in a strong position to find a well paid job and stop taking money out my pocket for doing bugger all. The sheer audacity of some people is staggering, how can anyone complain about getting a reduction in money that they dont have to do anything for in the first place? Oh yes and when she does start to put something back into the pot give her a higher tax code to make up for the money claimed. outragedofmiltonkeynes

9:17pm Sun 25 Nov 12

johnny_p says...

Duke of Aycliffe wrote:
Why is it on The Northern Echo comments board that people who work hard & pay their own way in life, are criticised & condemned as nasty or selfish?
Both my wife & I both work hard, own our house & enjoy a reasonable standard of living. This is because we both work hard.
We don't sit around waiting for handouts blaming everyone else. We both have young children, still work full time.
If this woman's sons are in the Army, well then potential employers would love her. No child care issues or schools being off in the winter. Overtime wouldn't be an issue. So she has an advangtage over other job seekers.
Sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for her & this is why the country is in a poor state financially. Too many people in this country & in the NE think that the government owes them a living.
Well said. I've never been out of work- when I couldn't get the jobs I wanted I've done it all, cleaning, bar work and fruit picking.

The Eastern Europeans coming to the UK don't seem to have problems finding work- so what excuses does she have?

Or am I being "nasty"?!
[quote][p][bold]Duke of Aycliffe[/bold] wrote: Why is it on The Northern Echo comments board that people who work hard & pay their own way in life, are criticised & condemned as nasty or selfish? Both my wife & I both work hard, own our house & enjoy a reasonable standard of living. This is because we both work hard. We don't sit around waiting for handouts blaming everyone else. We both have young children, still work full time. If this woman's sons are in the Army, well then potential employers would love her. No child care issues or schools being off in the winter. Overtime wouldn't be an issue. So she has an advangtage over other job seekers. Sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for her & this is why the country is in a poor state financially. Too many people in this country & in the NE think that the government owes them a living.[/p][/quote]Well said. I've never been out of work- when I couldn't get the jobs I wanted I've done it all, cleaning, bar work and fruit picking. The Eastern Europeans coming to the UK don't seem to have problems finding work- so what excuses does she have? Or am I being "nasty"?! johnny_p

10:08am Mon 26 Nov 12

Tracytinkler says...

outragedofmiltonkeyn
es
wrote:
So if she has a batchelors degree she will be in a strong position to find a well paid job and stop taking money out my pocket for doing bugger all. The sheer audacity of some people is staggering, how can anyone complain about getting a reduction in money that they dont have to do anything for in the first place? Oh yes and when she does start to put something back into the pot give her a higher tax code to make up for the money claimed.
She has worked all her life, and paid taxes, some people are not fortunate to be in constant employment in this economy so the lady has tried to do something about it. She does volunteer work all week to pay back into society! Would you work for no pay?
[quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: So if she has a batchelors degree she will be in a strong position to find a well paid job and stop taking money out my pocket for doing bugger all. The sheer audacity of some people is staggering, how can anyone complain about getting a reduction in money that they dont have to do anything for in the first place? Oh yes and when she does start to put something back into the pot give her a higher tax code to make up for the money claimed.[/p][/quote]She has worked all her life, and paid taxes, some people are not fortunate to be in constant employment in this economy so the lady has tried to do something about it. She does volunteer work all week to pay back into society! Would you work for no pay? Tracytinkler

6:23pm Mon 26 Nov 12

the-big-yin says...

Tracytinkler wrote:
outragedofmiltonkeyn

es
wrote:
So if she has a batchelors degree she will be in a strong position to find a well paid job and stop taking money out my pocket for doing bugger all. The sheer audacity of some people is staggering, how can anyone complain about getting a reduction in money that they dont have to do anything for in the first place? Oh yes and when she does start to put something back into the pot give her a higher tax code to make up for the money claimed.
She has worked all her life, and paid taxes, some people are not fortunate to be in constant employment in this economy so the lady has tried to do something about it. She does volunteer work all week to pay back into society! Would you work for no pay?
well said...same old trolls on here drifting off the subject...our lasses mother has lived in her 3 bedroom house for 30+ years..raised her kids up in that house...worked until becoming ill, and now is being forced to look for a smaller property in crook...which the council say there are none available, and probably will never be any for a good few years......her grand kids will then be unable to stay when she eventually finds a 1 bedroom property...
so mr cameron and his con / lib coalition needs to re- think their plans...
[quote][p][bold]Tracytinkler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]outragedofmiltonkeyn es[/bold] wrote: So if she has a batchelors degree she will be in a strong position to find a well paid job and stop taking money out my pocket for doing bugger all. The sheer audacity of some people is staggering, how can anyone complain about getting a reduction in money that they dont have to do anything for in the first place? Oh yes and when she does start to put something back into the pot give her a higher tax code to make up for the money claimed.[/p][/quote]She has worked all her life, and paid taxes, some people are not fortunate to be in constant employment in this economy so the lady has tried to do something about it. She does volunteer work all week to pay back into society! Would you work for no pay?[/p][/quote]well said...same old trolls on here drifting off the subject...our lasses mother has lived in her 3 bedroom house for 30+ years..raised her kids up in that house...worked until becoming ill, and now is being forced to look for a smaller property in crook...which the council say there are none available, and probably will never be any for a good few years......her grand kids will then be unable to stay when she eventually finds a 1 bedroom property... so mr cameron and his con / lib coalition needs to re- think their plans... the-big-yin

8:21pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Idontknowaboutyoubut says...

I have to hand it to Cam&Co.They have suceeded in turning the common people(thats us!)against each other.
We should be angry with the fat cat bankers,and their mega bonuses.We should be angry with the tax dodging multi nationals.We should be angry with the expenses-fiddling MPs,and the tax cuts from Osborne for his super rich chums.Instead,you lot attack the weakest and most vulnerable of us.
I suspect that it,s because you like to have someone to look down on.Someone lower than yourselves.You are cowards really.You darent take on the rich big boys...
I have to hand it to Cam&Co.They have suceeded in turning the common people(thats us!)against each other. We should be angry with the fat cat bankers,and their mega bonuses.We should be angry with the tax dodging multi nationals.We should be angry with the expenses-fiddling MPs,and the tax cuts from Osborne for his super rich chums.Instead,you lot attack the weakest and most vulnerable of us. I suspect that it,s because you like to have someone to look down on.Someone lower than yourselves.You are cowards really.You darent take on the rich big boys... Idontknowaboutyoubut

10:30pm Mon 26 Nov 12

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

Volunteer work to pay back into society? Dont make me laugh. If i didnt flog my guts out i wouldnt be able to pay my mortgage so why should people get subsidised rent for a house with more rooms than the sole occupant needs. Personally i would be ashamed to be dependant on handouts and i certainly wouldnt be bleating about in the paper.
Volunteer work to pay back into society? Dont make me laugh. If i didnt flog my guts out i wouldnt be able to pay my mortgage so why should people get subsidised rent for a house with more rooms than the sole occupant needs. Personally i would be ashamed to be dependant on handouts and i certainly wouldnt be bleating about in the paper. outragedofmiltonkeynes

10:37pm Mon 26 Nov 12

soulsearcher says...

well i do not agree with this bedroom tax it is hard to live now.people need help trying to get smaller houses this will cause lots of problems more crime etc
looks like they guys wont be able to stay there but they could pay for accommodation being in the forces doesn't mean anything
well i do not agree with this bedroom tax it is hard to live now.people need help trying to get smaller houses this will cause lots of problems more crime etc looks like they guys wont be able to stay there but they could pay for accommodation being in the forces doesn't mean anything soulsearcher

11:15pm Mon 26 Nov 12

loonyleft says...

outraged you are all heart ,go and flog your guts somewhere else,or i'll do it for you,you don't even live in the area,keep your nose out.
outraged you are all heart ,go and flog your guts somewhere else,or i'll do it for you,you don't even live in the area,keep your nose out. loonyleft

11:15pm Mon 26 Nov 12

loonyleft says...

outraged you are all heart ,go and flog your guts somewhere else,or i'll do it for you,you don't even live in the area,keep your nose out.
outraged you are all heart ,go and flog your guts somewhere else,or i'll do it for you,you don't even live in the area,keep your nose out. loonyleft

11:15pm Mon 26 Nov 12

loonyleft says...

outraged you are all heart ,go and flog your guts somewhere else,or i'll do it for you,you don't even live in the area,keep your nose out.
outraged you are all heart ,go and flog your guts somewhere else,or i'll do it for you,you don't even live in the area,keep your nose out. loonyleft

12:31am Tue 27 Nov 12

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

Err do you mean by that comment that you are threatening me with some kind of physical violence?
As for not living in the area you really are ignorant of everything outside your very small gene pool arent you?
Err do you mean by that comment that you are threatening me with some kind of physical violence? As for not living in the area you really are ignorant of everything outside your very small gene pool arent you? outragedofmiltonkeynes

7:12am Tue 27 Nov 12

Porca miseria says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
I have to hand it to Cam&Co.They have suceeded in turning the common people(thats us!)against each other.
We should be angry with the fat cat bankers,and their mega bonuses.We should be angry with the tax dodging multi nationals.We should be angry with the expenses-fiddling MPs,and the tax cuts from Osborne for his super rich chums.Instead,you lot attack the weakest and most vulnerable of us.
I suspect that it,s because you like to have someone to look down on.Someone lower than yourselves.You are cowards really.You darent take on the rich big boys...
Got it in one, just hope those that flog their guts out, never get made redundant and have to find new work. Granted there are those that won't work and will avoid it at all cost, but they are the minority to condemn and look down on the less fortunate is spiteful, vile and cowardly.
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: I have to hand it to Cam&Co.They have suceeded in turning the common people(thats us!)against each other. We should be angry with the fat cat bankers,and their mega bonuses.We should be angry with the tax dodging multi nationals.We should be angry with the expenses-fiddling MPs,and the tax cuts from Osborne for his super rich chums.Instead,you lot attack the weakest and most vulnerable of us. I suspect that it,s because you like to have someone to look down on.Someone lower than yourselves.You are cowards really.You darent take on the rich big boys...[/p][/quote]Got it in one, just hope those that flog their guts out, never get made redundant and have to find new work. Granted there are those that won't work and will avoid it at all cost, but they are the minority to condemn and look down on the less fortunate is spiteful, vile and cowardly. Porca miseria

9:57am Tue 27 Nov 12

Browsing says...

By stating she is a single mum, does that not make the brothers the same as everyone else in the country. I only had one mum as I think everyone else does/did. Its also a bit much to describe her as a single mum when both sons are out at work. If it is so importatnt to maintain the house she is in, how about support from the single father, who I assume is around, or better still the lads could go and live with him.
Stop whinging woman.
By stating she is a single mum, does that not make the brothers the same as everyone else in the country. I only had one mum as I think everyone else does/did. Its also a bit much to describe her as a single mum when both sons are out at work. If it is so importatnt to maintain the house she is in, how about support from the single father, who I assume is around, or better still the lads could go and live with him. Stop whinging woman. Browsing

2:55pm Tue 27 Nov 12

marilyn49 says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
I have to hand it to Cam&Co.They have suceeded in turning the common people(thats us!)against each other.
We should be angry with the fat cat bankers,and their mega bonuses.We should be angry with the tax dodging multi nationals.We should be angry with the expenses-fiddling MPs,and the tax cuts from Osborne for his super rich chums.Instead,you lot attack the weakest and most vulnerable of us.
I suspect that it,s because you like to have someone to look down on.Someone lower than yourselves.You are cowards really.You darent take on the rich big boys...
Well said -divide and conquer is the Tories plan and human nature being what it is , it works!
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: I have to hand it to Cam&Co.They have suceeded in turning the common people(thats us!)against each other. We should be angry with the fat cat bankers,and their mega bonuses.We should be angry with the tax dodging multi nationals.We should be angry with the expenses-fiddling MPs,and the tax cuts from Osborne for his super rich chums.Instead,you lot attack the weakest and most vulnerable of us. I suspect that it,s because you like to have someone to look down on.Someone lower than yourselves.You are cowards really.You darent take on the rich big boys...[/p][/quote]Well said -divide and conquer is the Tories plan and human nature being what it is , it works! marilyn49

2:55pm Tue 27 Nov 12

marilyn49 says...

Idontknowaboutyoubut wrote:
I have to hand it to Cam&Co.They have suceeded in turning the common people(thats us!)against each other.
We should be angry with the fat cat bankers,and their mega bonuses.We should be angry with the tax dodging multi nationals.We should be angry with the expenses-fiddling MPs,and the tax cuts from Osborne for his super rich chums.Instead,you lot attack the weakest and most vulnerable of us.
I suspect that it,s because you like to have someone to look down on.Someone lower than yourselves.You are cowards really.You darent take on the rich big boys...
Well said -divide and conquer is the Tories plan and human nature being what it is , it works!
[quote][p][bold]Idontknowaboutyoubut[/bold] wrote: I have to hand it to Cam&Co.They have suceeded in turning the common people(thats us!)against each other. We should be angry with the fat cat bankers,and their mega bonuses.We should be angry with the tax dodging multi nationals.We should be angry with the expenses-fiddling MPs,and the tax cuts from Osborne for his super rich chums.Instead,you lot attack the weakest and most vulnerable of us. I suspect that it,s because you like to have someone to look down on.Someone lower than yourselves.You are cowards really.You darent take on the rich big boys...[/p][/quote]Well said -divide and conquer is the Tories plan and human nature being what it is , it works! marilyn49

3:51pm Wed 28 Nov 12

jude666 says...

looneyleft you really do have a gigantic chip on your shoulders dont you. For your information if I lose my job my mortgage will be fine thank you because I have saved money to cover my expenses should that happen, for which incidentally I get taxed on again due to the pathetic interest it earns. No doubt you are in the same position as this lady and get all your living expenses paid by us taxpayers. Get your head out of your backside and smell the coffee.
looneyleft you really do have a gigantic chip on your shoulders dont you. For your information if I lose my job my mortgage will be fine thank you because I have saved money to cover my expenses should that happen, for which incidentally I get taxed on again due to the pathetic interest it earns. No doubt you are in the same position as this lady and get all your living expenses paid by us taxpayers. Get your head out of your backside and smell the coffee. jude666

1:01pm Thu 29 Nov 12

oldgit57 says...

The fact is if the two sons were at home and working there would be two non dependant charges levied against Alison Huggan's Housing Benefit. This would be a lot more than £10 per week each. The simple answer to her shortfall is for the two sons to accept their responsibilities and chip in until such time as their mother can support herself or they have their own homes. At this point Alison can and should downsize or cover the costs herself.
The fact is if the two sons were at home and working there would be two non dependant charges levied against Alison Huggan's Housing Benefit. This would be a lot more than £10 per week each. The simple answer to her shortfall is for the two sons to accept their responsibilities and chip in until such time as their mother can support herself or they have their own homes. At this point Alison can and should downsize or cover the costs herself. oldgit57

1:21pm Thu 29 Nov 12

A.Smith 71 says...

Something is missing here? - Oh yeah thats right, her son's have grown up and moved out, they now have jobs and pay for their own accommodation/ food to the Army. The 2 spare bedrooms and no longer theirs, they are exactly that 'SPARE' so not required.
Their address is not her home it will be the barraks they are stationed at, they are not on her council tax bill, nor can they take out credit or insure a vehicle legally at that address as it is not their place of residence.
Why should someone sit at home with 2 spare rooms just in case her children want to come visit and us the tax payer foot the ever increasing bill? To lose £1000 per annum is a lot but then again when you are getting just short of £350 per month on top of benefits with no council tax and minimal water rates to pay it all helps.

On the part about her recently passing her degree I bet this was fully funded by benefits and does not carry the same debt as taken on by the usual school leavers.
Something is missing here? - Oh yeah thats right, her son's have grown up and moved out, they now have jobs and pay for their own accommodation/ food to the Army. The 2 spare bedrooms and no longer theirs, they are exactly that 'SPARE' so not required. Their address is not her home it will be the barraks they are stationed at, they are not on her council tax bill, nor can they take out credit or insure a vehicle legally at that address as it is not their place of residence. Why should someone sit at home with 2 spare rooms just in case her children want to come visit and us the tax payer foot the ever increasing bill? To lose £1000 per annum is a lot but then again when you are getting just short of £350 per month on top of benefits with no council tax and minimal water rates to pay it all helps. On the part about her recently passing her degree I bet this was fully funded by benefits and does not carry the same debt as taken on by the usual school leavers. A.Smith 71

1:56pm Thu 29 Nov 12

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

Well said Mr Smith.
Well said Mr Smith. outragedofmiltonkeynes

2:28pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Lucy91 says...

The same people are commenting here as everywhere else on this site.unemployed layabouts who want to get big hand outs from people who are prepared to work.My boyfriend was in the army, got a commission (came from an ordinary working class family) and now runs a business.He knows exactly what these people are like.

Get a job love-don't stand there looking sad holding up pictures of your sons.
The same people are commenting here as everywhere else on this site.unemployed layabouts who want to get big hand outs from people who are prepared to work.My boyfriend was in the army, got a commission (came from an ordinary working class family) and now runs a business.He knows exactly what these people are like. Get a job love-don't stand there looking sad holding up pictures of your sons. Lucy91

4:31pm Thu 29 Nov 12

A.Smith 71 says...

Lucy91 wrote:
The same people are commenting here as everywhere else on this site.unemployed layabouts who want to get big hand outs from people who are prepared to work.My boyfriend was in the army, got a commission (came from an ordinary working class family) and now runs a business.He knows exactly what these people are like.

Get a job love-don't stand there looking sad holding up pictures of your sons.
Well said.

The ones that are commenting are anti tory, but didn't Labour say that the tories were stealing their plans regarding a shake up of the system?

Lets be honest, why does a single person need to be in a 3 bedroom property paid for by the state? If she had a mortgage and lost her job then it would be different her getting some assistance for a certain duration.

I am sure that she can find a family looking to move from a 1/2 bed property will to do a swap!
[quote][p][bold]Lucy91[/bold] wrote: The same people are commenting here as everywhere else on this site.unemployed layabouts who want to get big hand outs from people who are prepared to work.My boyfriend was in the army, got a commission (came from an ordinary working class family) and now runs a business.He knows exactly what these people are like. Get a job love-don't stand there looking sad holding up pictures of your sons.[/p][/quote]Well said. The ones that are commenting are anti tory, but didn't Labour say that the tories were stealing their plans regarding a shake up of the system? Lets be honest, why does a single person need to be in a 3 bedroom property paid for by the state? If she had a mortgage and lost her job then it would be different her getting some assistance for a certain duration. I am sure that she can find a family looking to move from a 1/2 bed property will to do a swap! A.Smith 71

9:45pm Thu 29 Nov 12

outragedofmiltonkeynes says...

One other thing which might be slightly off topic, but, looking at the photo how many cigarettes does she smoke a day paid for by benefits?
One other thing which might be slightly off topic, but, looking at the photo how many cigarettes does she smoke a day paid for by benefits? outragedofmiltonkeynes

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