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FAMILY SUPPORT: Bishop Terry Drainey with his sister, Pat Paver, after his ordination mass at Middlesbrough Cathedral
FAMILY SUPPORT: Bishop Terry Drainey with his sister, Pat Paver, after his ordination mass at Middlesbrough Cathedral

THE new Bishop of Middlesbrough hesitated before answering when he was asked to reveal his favourite film.

"I'll probably be condemned for this," he started with a smile, "but I thoroughly enjoyed the Harry Potter series.

"I've also read the books avidly.

They take you out of yourself. People talk about magic (being involved), but it's an epic story of good triumphing over evil."

The Rt Rev Terry Drainey was speaking in his newly-decorated office in Linthorpe, Middlesbrough.

He's a trim 58-year-old, with ruddy cheeks and full of smiles and pleasing gestures.

After 11 years working in two seminaries, he's relishing a "meet the people" tour of his vast diocese, which stretches from the Tees to the Humber.

"I'm really enjoying meeting people - in old folks' homes, drop-in centres, schools and parishes. I'm finding so much joyful hope', my motto (from Titus 2.13).

"I recall the earthy banter at the Marists' sixth form college, Hull, when I wore my episcopal garb because I felt many of the young people had never seen a bishop before.

"They were very respectful, but afterwards someone said he hoped I had not been offended. I saw a real sign of hope for the future there. A large group of young people prayed together, listened to the scripture and allowed me to speak words of encouragement.

"Their most difficult question was the first: On what do you base your belief in God'?"

The bishop said he did not attempt a theological reply, but told of his experience of life, which underpinned all his theology.

"God has walked with me from the earliest age and is a real and genuine presence in my life, reinforced by my family in Manchester.

"I always felt He was close, particularly in the dark moments."

Terence Patrick Drainey was the second child of Joseph Patrick, a cradle Catholic, and Mary, who became one before the couple were married.

His father was an optician who ran a three-shop business with his brother. They lived in the largely industrial area of Manchester.

At 15, he felt a possible vocation towards priestly life and transferred school to Ushaw Junior Seminary, Durham.

But he rebelled against the system of trying to "knock every ounce of individuality out of boys.

"I played the system for a while, but noticed that boys I admired were drifting away. I decided to do the same."

He returned to the Xavarian College, Manchester, and left at 18 to work in a babies' clothing firm, mostly in the warehouse, but also on the road as a salesman.

"I was not at peace with myself.

The vocation was still there.

"One day, I met my parish priest at a bus stop and he said he had arranged for me to meet the bishop.

"The outcome was that I studied for the priesthood in Valladolid, Spain, for the next six years."

He obviously loves Spain, including its food and wine.

As an assistant priest in Salford, he set up a group of 20 young people in readiness for the 1982 visit of Pope John Paul II to Britain.

He took them to a charismatic prayer meeting and half of them wanted to set up a prayer group for the parish.

"I felt they were far too young at 16 and said they needed leadership skills. They went on a course, God bless them."

"I'm eternally grateful to them.

Some, now parents and grandparents, were at St Mary's Cathedral, Coulby Newham, Middlesbrough, for my ordination as bishop on January 25."

In the 1980s, he spent six years in rural Kenya. The parish had 50,000 church-going Catholics, which compares with 20,000 in the Middlesbrough diocese.

He was helped by two full-time catechists, 20 part-timers and 80 volunteers.

Was that system suitable for the Middlesbrough diocese? "I don't know. You can't take a missionary template, where the Church is growing, on to an older Church.

He said it was good for a diocese to have one or more priests serving overseas. He knew Fr Tom O'Neill, of Middlesbrough, who was in Kenya at the same time.

The bishop was cautious about spelling out his plans for his new diocese, but confirmed that the pastoral plan would continue.

This plan includes closing and merging parishes.

"One emerging issue, which is true of all churches and large organisations, centres on communication and listening skills.

"We need to listen carefully to one another and communicate well with one another."

He told how he sometimes pretends to mention "you over there"

in a church congregation and people turn round to look.

"We always think it is the other person being spoken to by God, the priest or the bishop. People should be asking: Is it me he is talking to'?

"I really want to hear people and for them to hear what I'm saying."

Asked about relationships with people of other Christian denominations or other faiths, he said: "There is no easy road to unity. It is going to cost us a lot. Pretending or watering down the truth is the road to confusion."

Some of the 800 people attending the cathedral mass in January were puzzled when the bishop stepped off the altar area to speak to representatives of other denominations, including Bishop Tom Wright, of Durham, and Bishop Robert Ladds, of Whitby, in the front rows.

"I prayed for unity. This is the greatest act of witness to a nonbelieving world. We have made a mess of it.

"I work with, and respect, and want to continue working with (Christian) brothers and sisters and those of other faiths. The Trinity is at the heart of our Christian faith. We don't think about it enough.

"We need to communicate our faith. Also, we have to listen to others, including people like Prof Richard Dawkins, whose recent book, The God Delusion, I've read."

Asked about the thorny issue of divorced Catholics being denied communion, the bishop said: "I have family and friends in this.

"I feel strong sympathy for them and want to support them in every way possible, but within the teaching of the Church."

On the question of the Church allowing Catholic priests to marry, he said large numbers of former Anglican clergymen were now priests, including several in the Middlesbrough diocese, with wives and families.

He laughingly recalled discussing this issue with a woman at Ushaw College, where he was president from 2004 until becoming bishop.

He had said: "Who would have me at my age?". She had replied: "You're all right!"

The bishop said his life was concentrated on celibacy, which he believed was of tremendous value.

It was not easy and had to be worked on, as people had to in marriages.

He has a reputation for being down-to-earth and approachable, for getting things done.

He said he believed in "process", talking and listening, rather than making any great public announcements.

The bishop is conscious of workload taking a toll on bishops, including his predecessor, Bishop John Crowley, who is now helping in a London parish.

He takes a day off each week and often goes walking in the Yorkshire moors and dales.

When the day coincides with a bishops' meeting, he makes it a part of his day off.

He said he could not continue at the fast pace he has now set himself, but said the diocese was like a moving bus and he had been running like mad to jump on.

On the sometimes controversial subject of which football team he supports, he said: "That's a private world!"

1:16pm Friday 14th March 2008

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